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Game of Thrones, tv only, books don't exist, no backstory...NERDS already ruining a series that hasn't started (2 Viewers)

Gr00vus said:
Not only that, but Arya's scene last week indicated that at least some of the Lannister armies are now heading towards the Riverlands due to the distraction Arya caused there. Between that and policing King's Landing there may not be a ton of Lannister troops around Casterly Rock right now.
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There might not be many at all - Jamie had 8,000 of them when he went to help the Frey's and they should have stayed in that area or returned to King's Landing.  But even so, if the Lannister army is only 8,000 strong......

 
beer 30 said:
Casterly Rock won't be easy to take and the Lannister's "should" have a decent size force there since they aren't currently fighting a war and they supposedly have all the gold in Westeros under their Keep.
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They don't have any gold.  Tywin told Cersei in season 2 or 3 that the mines have run dry and were for some time.  The Lannister hold on power requires them holding King's Landing.  It's why they had to go to the Iron Bank in the middle of the mess right before Stannis went there as well.  And it's also why Cersei was forced to play nice with the Tyrell's.  

The Lannister power is hollow.  Tyrion has to know that, and taking Casterly Rock would destroy any legitimacy that Cersei has to the throne.

 
hagmania said:
RIP Stannis.
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You mean the guy who killed his own brother with cowardly blood magic, fueled by sex with a priestess he'd allowed to brainwash his wife? Or the guy who murdered his own innocent daughter, again to "cheat" with sacrificial blood magic? That guy? 

Stannis would not be the character I would say cared the most about doing the right thing. He didn't do what was right--he only justified to himself that what he wanted was what was "right", which isn't the same thing. 

He latched onto one goal (him being King) which was technically "right" (according to the order of succession) by the letter of the law (which his own brother disobeyed when he rebelled to create this line of succession in the first place). Then he threw aside everything else a person should beleive is right to attain that goal. That's not "right", even if it started as legally just.

Stannis was the most interesting kind of monster--one who doesn't even realize he's become one because it happened by degrees as he tried to do the right thing in his own mind.

Can't beleive there are still Stannis fans. Not only was he awful in pursuit of his goals (which would have gotten him where?? He had no sons or line of succession of his own, hid his daughter from the world in shame, and refused to remarry anyways because it would look bad--just who was he trying to become King for? It was for his own lust of power)--he was also boring as hell and a total ****. 

 
ConnSKINS26 said:
You mean the guy who killed his own brother with cowardly blood magic, fueled by sex with a priestess he'd allowed to brainwash his wife? Or the guy who murdered his own innocent daughter, again to "cheat" with sacrificial blood magic? That guy? 

Stannis would not be the character I would say cared the most about doing the right thing. He didn't do what was right--he only justified to himself that what he wanted was what was "right", which isn't the same thing. 

He latched onto one goal (him being King) which was technically "right" (according to the order of succession) by the letter of the law (which his own brother disobeyed when he rebelled to create this line of succession in the first place). Then he threw aside everything else a person should beleive is right to attain that goal. That's not "right", even if it started as legally just.

Stannis was the most interesting kind of monster--one who doesn't even realize he's become one because it happened by degrees as he tried to do the right thing in his own mind.

Can't beleive there are still Stannis fans. Not only was he awful in pursuit of his goals (which would have gotten him where?? He had no sons or line of succession of his own, hid his daughter from the world in shame, and refused to remarry anyways because it would look bad--just who was he trying to become King for? It was for his own lust of power)--he was also boring as hell and a total ****. 
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"Fewer" 

#LordOfGrammar

 
Spin said:
I really wish the show had given Euron a bit more, maybe take 3-5 minutes in season 3 to have a merchant talk about how afraid of Silence they were, or bring up the terrible things Euron does.  In the books, he cuts the tongues out of everyone on his ship, and paints his ship red to hide the blood. He also is involved in some crazy sacrifices and magic rituals, he's a pretty bad dude, they talk about just the sight of his sails makes people freak out. His ship is massive, and it looked huge in that battle, but they could have been talking about it a bit more to just give the viewers a sense of how crazy/brutal he was, without giving him a lot of screen time.   
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He also must have night vision goggles to locate/ram the ship with all the Lords on it in the middle of their fleet at night before anyone knew what was happening.

 
Seems to me that the writers kind of know that the whole Dorne and sand snake thing wasn't really working with most of their audience. Wouldn't surprise me if next week is the last we see of any of them.

 
NewlyRetired said:
Am I correct in this interpretation?

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The 3 sand snake girls are half sisters

Of the 3, only Tyene is Ellaria's real daughter

Tyene was the sand snake captured with Ellaria

This allows some symmetry where Cerci can kill the real daughter of Ellaria like Ellaria killed Cerci's daughter.
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Who was Theon looking up at from the water that was hanging from the ship and spiked by the ship?  I thought they might have been Ellaria and Tyene, but it doesn't make much sense for him to just leave those two there.

 
rodg12 said:
Who was Theon looking up at from the water that was hanging from the ship and spiked by the ship?  I thought they might have been Ellaria and Tyene, but it doesn't make much sense for him to just leave those two there.
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That was whippy sand snake hanging from the bowsprit by her whip and speary sand snake speared to the bowsprit with her spears (so clever). Ellaria, Tyene and Yara are all being held captive.

 
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culdeus said:
My bet is that they realized in post production that since they used the same room to shoot one of Stannis' scenes (but redecorated) they left something that was too much a give away to that and did some CGI to cover it up.   I had the same observation that something was a bit off about that whole room.  I almost wonder if they shot that scene with all the actors there at the same time, and maybe CGI them each in individually to cut costs.   In fact that second idea makes the most sense really.
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I have no idea what you mean here, but I'm probably just missing something. It is supposed to be the same room Stannis has been in before. It's where he knocked up Melisandre with the future shadow demon. So why would they need to hide that with CGI? Also don't get the second part of the post.

 
ConnSKINS26 said:
I have no idea what you mean here, but I'm probably just missing something. It is supposed to be the same room Stannis has been in before. It's where he knocked up Melisandre with the future shadow demon. So why would they need to hide that with CGI? Also don't get the second part of the post.
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I think he's saying the actors were shot elsewhere and individually and then CGIed into that room. 

 
ConnSKINS26 said:
You mean the guy who killed his own brother with cowardly blood magic, fueled by sex with a priestess he'd allowed to brainwash his wife? Or the guy who murdered his own innocent daughter, again to "cheat" with sacrificial blood magic? That guy? 

Stannis would not be the character I would say cared the most about doing the right thing. He didn't do what was right--he only justified to himself that what he wanted was what was "right", which isn't the same thing. 

He latched onto one goal (him being King) which was technically "right" (according to the order of succession) by the letter of the law (which his own brother disobeyed when he rebelled to create this line of succession in the first place). Then he threw aside everything else a person should beleive is right to attain that goal. That's not "right", even if it started as legally just.

Stannis was the most interesting kind of monster--one who doesn't even realize he's become one because it happened by degrees as he tried to do the right thing in his own mind.

Can't beleive there are still Stannis fans. Not only was he awful in pursuit of his goals (which would have gotten him where?? He had no sons or line of succession of his own, hid his daughter from the world in shame, and refused to remarry anyways because it would look bad--just who was he trying to become King for? It was for his own lust of power)--he was also boring as hell and a total ****. 
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I'm not exactly a Stannis fan but didn't he give up his (legitimate) quest to become king in order to go help the Night's Watch and fight the White Walkers when the rest of the world was ignoring them?

He gave up all of his personal ambitions to go try and save the world in a battle that the world wouldn't even know had happened.

 
ConnSKINS26 said:
I have no idea what you mean here, but I'm probably just missing something. It is supposed to be the same room Stannis has been in before. It's where he knocked up Melisandre with the future shadow demon. So why would they need to hide that with CGI? Also don't get the second part of the post.
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He was commenting on how the lighting was odd for that scene. I noticed it and gave two possible causes. The most probable is that they did not shoot that scene with all the actors present.  

 
culdeus said:
He was commenting on how the lighting was odd for that scene. I noticed it and gave two possible causes. The most probable is that they did not shoot that scene with all the actors present.  
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ah- yeah. you didn't make your part of that super clear.

 
FreeBaGeL said:
I'm not exactly a Stannis fan but didn't he give up his (legitimate) quest to become king in order to go help the Night's Watch and fight the White Walkers when the rest of the world was ignoring them?

He gave up all of his personal ambitions to go try and save the world in a battle that the world wouldn't even know had happened.
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Not really, as he tried to take Winterfell from the Boltons as his last action, right? He never lost sight of the throne, and was going to work his way back down South for it. He answered the Night's Watch call for aid against the giant Wildling army, not the White Walkers, and had no intention of staying there. 

 
ConnSKINS26 said:
Not really, as he tried to take Winterfell from the Boltons as his last action, right? He never lost sight of the throne, and was going to work his way back down South for it. He answered the Night's Watch call for aid against the giant Wildling army, not the White Walkers, and had no intention of staying there. 
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Yeah good thing Stannis wiped out the wildlings.  I mean they aren't needed now either.  Stannis probably is responsible for what?  a 50% reduction in force of the northern army counting his army being wiped out in that figure?  75%?

 
culdeus said:
Yeah good thing Stannis wiped out the wildlings.  I mean they aren't needed now either.  Stannis probably is responsible for what?  a 50% reduction in force of the northern army counting his army being wiped out in that figure?  75%?
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plus a corresponding increase in the size of the undead forces

 
Yankee23Fan said:
They don't have any gold.  Tywin told Cersei in season 2 or 3 that the mines have run dry and were for some time.  The Lannister hold on power requires them holding King's Landing.  It's why they had to go to the Iron Bank in the middle of the mess right before Stannis went there as well.  And it's also why Cersei was forced to play nice with the Tyrell's.  

The Lannister power is hollow.  Tyrion has to know that, and taking Casterly Rock would destroy any legitimacy that Cersei has to the throne.
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Yea I knew that just couldn't remember if it was in the books or the TV show and didn't want to raise the ire of the TV folk. Wonder if Tyrion knows? Seems like a nice final gut punch from Dad to have Tyrion take over Casterly Rock, waste an army doing it only to find out that the Lannister's are flat broke and well in debt to the Iron bank.

 
ConnSKINS26 said:
Not really, as he tried to take Winterfell from the Boltons as his last action, right? He never lost sight of the throne, and was going to work his way back down South for it. He answered the Night's Watch call for aid against the giant Wildling army, not the White Walkers, and had no intention of staying there. 
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Regarding the latter, it's hard to remember explicit details but according to the wiki the call for aid from the Night's Watch was specifically for the White Walkers, and he attacked the Wildlings when he arrived because they were laying siege to the Wall when he got there.

Davos hands him a letter from the Night's Watch that is requesting assistance, now that the threat of the White Walkers has become very real. Stannis, despite seeming interested, doesn't change his mind fully until Melisandre agrees with Davos that the real threat to the realm lies north and has nothing to do with the War of the Five Kings. Stannis brings Davos back into the fold, needing someone to rally more troops to his side, and decides that they should march to the Wall and help the Night's Watch against the threat of the White Walkers.[27]

Regarding his march on Winterfell, again tough to remember all the specifics exactly, but if I recall he did that reluctantly when Melisandre convinced him that he would need to be in control of the forces of all seven kingdoms to have a chance against the White Walkers.

 
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culdeus said:
Yeah good thing Stannis wiped out the wildlings.  I mean they aren't needed now either.  Stannis probably is responsible for what?  a 50% reduction in force of the northern army counting his army being wiped out in that figure?  75%?
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The battle was already going on when he arrived.  The wildlings were literally in the middle of a battle against the Night's Watch when he got there.  Either the NIght's Watch (Jon Snow included) were getting demolished, or the wildlings were.

And let's not forget, for as sympathetic as we are meant to be for the wildlings now, they were running around the countryside raping and murdering at the time.

CletiusMaximus said:
plus a corresponding increase in the size of the undead forces
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Stannis burned all of the dead so they could not be raised.

 
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It's season 7 now guys. Let's just agree Stannis sucked:

1. Killed his brother

2. Killed his daughter 

3. Wife no FBG would admit to

4. Only banged the Red Woman once, to kill his brother

5. Boring

6. Kind of a ####

 
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Stannis killed his brother, who had a much larger army (with Loras) and could have easily re-claimed the throne for House Baratheon. His stubbornness caused the Tyrells to flip to the Lannisters, cementing Joffrey's claim and ultimately leading to Cerci on the throne.  He burned his own bannermen and would have sacrificed Gendry and others, in addition to his daughter, in pursuit of what he viewed as his rightful ascent to the throne. It was all a massive blunder, almost equal to Ned Stark's series of mistakes which almost caused his house to perish. Unlike the Starks, who survived due almost single-handedly due to Sansa's smarts, House Baratheon is now completely extinguished.

 
Mr. Mojo said:
Realistically, that thing couldn't hit Rosie O'Donnell from 4 feet.
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Your are correct if they only build one that is. Instead picture 250 of them set up in a spread formation to blanket the sky when dragon passes over.   That should have a chance to get in a hit.

If the iron islands can build that many ships so fast, the amount of ballistas that could be built would have to be enormous.

 
NewlyRetired said:
Your are correct if they only build one that is. Instead picture 250 of them set up in a spread formation to blanket the sky when dragon passes over.   That should have a chance to get in a hit.

If the iron islands can build that many ships so fast, the amount of ballistas that could be built would have to be enormous.
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Except the 250 guys operating them will get roasted real quick. My guess is the dragons are faster than 250 guys trying to maneuver their ballista into the correct position. 

 
packersfan said:
Nowhere near as interesting as Ramsay in my opinion. Don't think there's enough time to get him anywhere near that level but we'll see. 
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i have read a few things about HBO having 4 or 5 different spin-offs for GOT. i think it wouldn't be too tricky to put Yuron's story in an episode or 2 since i do keep hearing there is a lot there

 
Scoresman said:
Except the 250 guys operating them will get roasted real quick. My guess is the dragons are faster than 250 guys trying to maneuver their ballista into the correct position. 
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yes, I agree it is very unlikely.

What I would do is try and construct a way to not need to rotate the ballistas (since by definition that can not work outside of a 1 in a million type shot).

I would do something like set up a large square.  Each corner of the square would have 250 ballistas pointed at another corner of the square such that all 4 corners were covered by 250 ballistas.  The 250 ballistas at each corner would all be lined up to spread their shots both in height and width fir maximum coverage.     

The hope being that when the Dragon swoops to flame one of the corners of the squares, the corner that is covering it launches all 250 at once.

This only has a chance if the Dragon's don't have much range on their fire breath and have to come relatively close to the ballistas to flame them.

:nerd:

 
CletiusMaximus said:
Stannis killed his brother, who had a much larger army (with Loras) and could have easily re-claimed the throne for House Baratheon. His stubbornness caused the Tyrells to flip to the Lannisters, cementing Joffrey's claim and ultimately leading to Cerci on the throne.  He burned his own bannermen and would have sacrificed Gendry and others, in addition to his daughter, in pursuit of what he viewed as his rightful ascent to the throne. It was all a massive blunder, almost equal to Ned Stark's series of mistakes which almost caused his house to perish. Unlike the Starks, who survived due almost single-handedly due to Sansa's smarts, House Baratheon is now completely extinguished.
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All the major houses are almost completely extinguished.....Baratheon, Stark, Arryn, Tully, Greyjoy, Lannister, Tyrell, all have had the future pretty much taken??

 
NewlyRetired said:
yes, I agree it is very unlikely.

What I would do is try and construct a way to not need to rotate the ballistas (since by definition that can not work outside of a 1 in a million type shot).

I would do something like set up a large square.  Each corner of the square would have 250 ballistas pointed at another corner of the square such that all 4 corners were covered by 250 ballistas.  The 250 ballistas at each corner would all be lined up to spread their shots both in height and width fir maximum coverage.     

The hope being that when the Dragon swoops to flame one of the corners of the squares, the corner that is covering it launches all 250 at once.

This only has a chance if the Dragon's don't have much range on their fire breath and have to come relatively close to the ballistas to flame them.

:nerd:
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re-watching the dragon attack on the slaver's ships: looks like the max effective range is somewhere near 250' to 300'? 

 
beer 30 said:
Casterly Rock won't be easy to take and the Lannister's "should" have a decent size force there since they aren't currently fighting a war and they supposedly have all the gold in Westeros under their Keep.
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I was wondering how many went with Jamie to Riverrun. Did they all go back to Casterly Rock? I'm assuming there will be an army there of some kind. Just wondering how big.

 
So, wife just watched this week's episode. She's certainly more into the show than am I, and I like it.

Her reaction to this week?

"Well, that was terrible"

 
modogg said:
i have read a few things about HBO having 4 or 5 different spin-offs for GOT. i think it wouldn't be too tricky to put Yuron's story in an episode or 2 since i do keep hearing there is a lot there
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I have no interest in a spin-off or prequel to Thrones. If Benioff and Weiss were involved that would sway me to at least check it out. But don't know how invested I'd be.

Then again, I might be the only Breaking Bad fan on earth who couldn't get into Better Call Saul. 

 
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