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Game of Thrones, tv only, books don't exist, no backstory...NERDS already ruining a series that hasn't started (3 Viewers)

My understanding is that the cost is a problem, the main driver being the enormous changes in the salaries being paid to the principle actors from when the show started to now. Kit Harrington, Emilia Clarke, Sophie Turner, etc. were getting paid peanuts at the outset, now they've become 7 figure per project stars (maybe more). That's why they've shortened the last two seasons.
I recall an interview from a couple years ago where the stated plan was seven season of 10 episodes each, so 70 episodes total. I'm not sure if the salary raises for the lead actors impacted the show coming to an end. Seems like it was always the plan to go in the 70-episode range.

 
I think the point there was to illustrate that the Stark guards/troops aren't the greatest at this point. They beat us over the head with that a scene or two later via Arya's dialog. I imagine that's going to have some bearing on future events.
I thought it was also to reinforce Arya being an outsider even in her own home. She's always felt like one (as evidenced by the Season 1 guards scene) and it's still in place now, maybe even more so. That seems to be the theme we're working with Arya. The Nymeria scene played on that too. 

 
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Gotcha. 

I don't put it outside the realm of possibility but I think it is unlikely. I don't think there is anything we have seen that would rule it out though I don't think it is likely. I guess that is why I didn't get the humor in that though I don't hold that theory, I am aware of it and haven't ruled it out in my own head. 
I find the theory silly personally. Peeps die. Even ones we like. Well, some like. I am not understanding all the Cersie love for instance. Headly is doing a nice job showing Cersei transform into a drunken, megalomanic/psychopath. I don't understand how folks can be "rooting" for her. In the unnamed things, the faceless man seems to have more of a role to play, but it's still at cliffhanger stage. But I think the Syrio/Jagen this is merely a coincidence. There are 100s of characters. They aren't all related.  

 
Forgot about that, and a great call here.  Maybe they are more unruly now that they are teenagers? ;)

Agree 100% on the 2nd bolded too.  I think combine that with what I feel are writing shortcuts and eyerolling moments more and more, and it's just not up to the level of the first few seasons.  I get that this is a time constraint issue, but stuff like silly cave painting are used now where as I feel at the start of the show that trust between Dany and Jon would have been built up a better and more natural way. 

Like we keep saying, it's still great, we still are on board, but they set the bar so high for me in the first 4 seasons that it's hard not to notice these things slightly chipping away at the quality.
She jumped on Drogon's back in that scene, too.

 
My biggest question.... why would Jaime not say "HEY! Get the Scorpion!" right when he saw the big huge flying lizard with big teeth? He waits until basically his entire army has been routed before saying "Oh yea, maybe we should try that one weapon we have that was specifically made to take this guy on?"  
I guess the argument can be made that he was more focused on the Dothraki.  The sound of their horses indicated there were a hell of a lot of them and he was preoccupied getting him men in line to meet that rush.

 
I thought it was also to reinforce Arya being an outsider even in her own home. She's always felt like one (as evidenced by the Season 1 guards scene) and it's still in place now, maybe even more so. That seems to be the theme we're working with Arya. The Nymeria scene played on that too. 
It also plays into the "everyone who knew father's face is dead".  I think it was just hammering home one of the terrible aspects of war, and how much time has passed.  That everyone she named was dead/gone, and the new guards had no idea who she was.  Arya Stark, unrecognizable in Winterfell, times have definitely changed.

 
It also plays into the "everyone who knew father's face is dead".  I think it was just hammering home one of the terrible aspects of war, and how much time has passed.  That everyone she named was dead/gone, and the new guards had no idea who she was.  Arya Stark, unrecognizable in Winterfell, times have definitely changed.
Yup. Well said.

 
I guess the argument can be made that he was more focused on the Dothraki.  The sound of their horses indicated there were a hell of a lot of them and he was preoccupied getting him men in line to meet that rush.
I am talking about when the Dany shows up flying on Drogon. He even directed archers to let loose on Drogon before thinking of trying the Scorpion. Obviously, the show runners went with the dramatic over the logical. 

I thought it was a tiny bit silly but DAMN what an episode. 

 
I am talking about when the Dany shows up flying on Drogon. He even directed archers to let loose on Drogon before thinking of trying the Scorpion. Obviously, the show runners went with the dramatic over the logical. 

I thought it was a tiny bit silly but DAMN what an episode. 
The arrows didn't necessarily need to kill Drogon, just Dany (they talked about Dany's vulnerability to a stray arrow in the previous episode). 

 
I am talking about when the Dany shows up flying on Drogon. He even directed archers to let loose on Drogon before thinking of trying the Scorpion. Obviously, the show runners went with the dramatic over the logical. 

I thought it was a tiny bit silly but DAMN what an episode. 
I thought the same thing at first too but the second time I watched it, the time frame between when the dragon appeared and him telling Bronn to get the Scorpion was not unrealistic. Took him a little bit to get over his awe and assess the situation.

 
The arrows didn't necessarily need to kill Drogon, just Dany (they talked about Dany's vulnerability to a stray arrow in the previous episode). 
Yes. I understand. But the whole purpose of the Scorpion was to neutralize the Dragons. Why would not that not be your second thought when you see Drogon flying at you? (First being 'oh damn, we are f'ed)

 
I am talking about when the Dany shows up flying on Drogon. He even directed archers to let loose on Drogon before thinking of trying the Scorpion. Obviously, the show runners went with the dramatic over the logical. 

I thought it was a tiny bit silly but DAMN what an episode. 
I don't think he was trying to kill Drogon with the arrows....he was volleying in an attempt to hit Dany.  I think Drogon rearing up and allowing the arrows to bounce off his chest reinforced that. 

 
Yes. I understand. But the whole purpose of the Scorpion was to neutralize the Dragons. Why would not that not be your second thought when you see Drogon flying at you? (First being 'oh damn, we are f'ed)
Dude got caught offguard.

Maybe Jamie, while once a remarkable swordsman, is, like a lot in the realm have either said or hinted at, overrated as a tactician/commander. 

 
Seems like a common theme in this series.
Yeah, the only real eye roll moment for me this season, is when Hotpie told Arya about Jon being King of the North. But Varys and Tyrion had no clue. Are you implying that hotpie has a better spy network than Varys now? 

 
Yeah, the only real eye roll moment for me this season, is when Hotpie told Arya about Jon being King of the North. But Varys and Tyrion had no clue. Are you implying that hotpie has a better spy network than Varys now? 
His little birds have gone to the ####.  Didn't get word on King of the North and didn't get word of a whole army marching on Highgarden.  Lost his touch.

 
Yeah, the only real eye roll moment for me this season, is when Hotpie told Arya about Jon being King of the North. But Varys and Tyrion had no clue. Are you implying that hotpie has a better spy network than Varys now? 
He works in a pub. Everything gets talked about in a pub. 

I agree, though, that Varys should've known. But it's nowhere near something that's detracting from the show for me. I still think it's interesting how Cersei and Euron seemed to have learned everything about Dany's new alliances and Tyrion's new position. It's almost as if they had seen Winds of Winter.

 
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Good episode. Riding around on the dragon seems pretty stupid and looks corny. The ending with the last second save was cheesy. I'm sure they'll some how float to safety. 

The build up to the battle was great.

Love Bron.

 
It also plays into the "everyone who knew father's face is dead".  I think it was just hammering home one of the terrible aspects of war, and how much time has passed.  That everyone she named was dead/gone, and the new guards had no idea who she was.  Arya Stark, unrecognizable in Winterfell, times have definitely changed.
Good spin, Spin.  

They also had the scene where Sansa was looking down at Arya spar with Brienne.  Same thought there too.  Sansa was probably wondering who Arya had become (although Sansa changed just like Arya did, though in different ways).

 
Good spin, Spin.  

They also had the scene where Sansa was looking down at Arya spar with Brienne.  Same thought there too.  Sansa was probably wondering who Arya had become (although Sansa changed just like Arya did, though in different ways).
That's what I said yesterday too. Others saw jealousy from Sansa. I'm sure that was there but my biggest takeaway was Sansa watching her and realizing that, like Bran, she had no idea who this person really was. All she has left may be Jon.

Cue up the Jon-Sansa ship. 

 
Yeah, the only real eye roll moment for me this season, is when Hotpie told Arya about Jon being King of the North. But Varys and Tyrion had no clue. Are you implying that hotpie has a better spy network than Varys now? 
Hotpie works at a major inn on the Kingsroad and hears tons of chatter on a daily basis. Tyrion does not have a spy network, and Varys' little birds work for Qyburn now.

 
There aren't hordes of white walkers, there's maybe a couple hundred - the show has only shown us about 10 or so. There are hordes of wights/zombies. She wouldn't be fighting the wights, she's be taking down a few of the white walkers. This of course assumes they could figure out some way to give her and the other valyrian weapon bearers a somewhat clear path to the white walkers through the wights. Given that the wights are extremely vulnerable to fire, I wonder how you might accomplish such a thing...
Well, I don't know how they might handle the weakness to fire thing. Maybe the Red Witch can whip something up. What I do know is that Cersie is on Arya's list whereas there is no White Walker or wights either. No reason for Arya to continue north when her list is south. 

 
That's what I said yesterday too. Others saw jealousy from Sansa. I'm sure that was there but my biggest takeaway was Sansa watching her and realizing that, like Bran, she had no idea who this person really was. All she has left may be Jon.

Cue up the Jon-Sansa ship. 
I agree.  I definitely didn't see any jealousy there.  It was more: "WTF, my little sister is a fighting machine!?" 

 
Really?  Interesting.  He doesn't quite seem capable of this and I'm not even sure he wants it.  I can't quite figure out what his role will be going forward, but this is something I hadn't considered.  I think he is prime bait for a sacrificial death to save somebody else, but who knows?
He came to ask Daenerys for her help.  Not sure she will provide it, but I kind of can see a redemption arc for Theon - and while it won't get his Twig back, it might make a man out him yet.

 
Well, I don't know how they might handle the weakness to fire thing. Maybe the Red Witch can whip something up. What I do know is that Cersie is on Arya's list whereas there is no White Walker or wights either. No reason for Arya to continue north when her list is south. 
They've built up Arya's super-powers long enough.  There needs to be a big payoff from her faceless abilities.  No bigger prize than Cersei, 

 
He came to ask Daenerys for her help.  Not sure she will provide it, but I kind of can see a redemption arc for Theon - and while it won't get his Twig back, it might make a man out him yet.
LOL at the hypothetical scene where a meek and embarrassed Theon struggles to Melisandra if the Lord of Light can help him out downstairs.  

 
I agree.  I definitely didn't see any jealousy there.  It was more: "WTF, my little sister is a fighting machine!?" 
They were never close as kids - Arya always wanted to grow up to be a bad-### Ninja warrior.  And, there she was in the courtyard - a bad-### ninja warrior.

Sansa has always wanted to be a Queen/Lady - and she is not quite there yet.  She is only in charge because her ******* brother left her in charge, after the Northern Houses broke with tradition and essentially gave Winterfell to a ******* - Sansa was not given what she thinks was rightfully hers - and that is what Littlefinger is playing on.

I think Sansa was jealous that Arya became who she wanted to be, while Sansa is still trying to get there.

 
They were never close as kids - Arya always wanted to grow up to be a bad-### Ninja warrior.  And, there she was in the courtyard - a bad-### ninja warrior.

Sansa has always wanted to be a Queen/Lady - and she is not quite there yet.  She is only in charge because her ******* brother left her in charge, after the Northern Houses broke with tradition and essentially gave Winterfell to a ******* - Sansa was not given what she thinks was rightfully hers - and that is what Littlefinger is playing on.

I think Sansa was jealous that Arya became who she wanted to be, while Sansa is still trying to get there.
OK.  That makes sense.

 
Hotpie works at a major inn on the Kingsroad and hears tons of chatter on a daily basis. Tyrion does not have a spy network, and Varys' little birds work for Qyburn now.
Sure, his little birds in King's Landing do but he's openly bragged on how vast his network is.  

"My little birds are everywhere."

―Varys

He gave a pardon to Jorah in Vaes Dothrak - 

"The Spider sends his greetings, and his congratulations."

―The "Little Bird" to Jorah Mormont

He has a "little bird" dressed as a slave deliver a message to Barristan Selmy, which lead to him outing Jorah to Dany.

 
True, but I don't see him falling for somebody in disguise, which is the best part of her abilities.  
True. I agree everything in Arya's story points to her meeting up with Cersei at some point. But that knife isn't needed for Cersei so unless she gives it to Jon (which really refutes the point of Bran giving it to Arya given what he knows about her) I'm thinking Arya joins with Jon to fight the white walkers at some point.

 
hmmf...its been so long since I actually read the books now, I don't remember whats in them related to Lord of the Light and the Night King.

The Night King doesn't really exist in the books, except as a story about an old Night's Watchman who marries a woman who meets the description of a WW, and he names himself King and inhabits one of the castles at the Wall iirc.  Eventually he's taken down by a Stark and a King Beyond the Wall.  

Mel refers to the leader/God of the WWs as The Great Other.  Mel sees Bran and the 3ER in their cave (darkness) and begins to wonder if they're the agents of the Great Other, the enemy of R'hllor.  Somewhat reinforced by the 3ER telling Bran that the darkness will make him strong. 
 
I think the point there was to illustrate that the Stark guards/troops aren't the greatest at this point. They beat us over the head with that a scene or two later via Arya's dialog. I imagine that's going to have some bearing on future events.
I thought it was more emphasis on the "Nobody named Luwin or Rodrik here" parts.  They were showing how her home wasn't really her home anymore.  None of the faces that were there when she left. 

 
I thought it was more emphasis on the "Nobody named Luwin or Rodrik here" parts.  They were showing how her home wasn't really her home anymore.  None of the faces that were there when she left. 
Since Arya headed North everything about her story has served to reinforce how different she is from when she was last home. From Nymeria, to the guards, to the awkward reunions with Sansa and Bran to the "fight" with Brienne. It'll be interesting to see if a reunion with Jon (which has to happen) changes anything or just further reinforces how distant she's become from everything and everyone she once called home.

 

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