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madviking10
Footballguy
I already did that before the draft in my dynasty league. Traded LJ to the team that had the first pick. I then took AP with that pick.
snogger
Footballguy
I'm still :( at all the threads/posts during the pre-season proclaiming that Harrington just needed a new start.
3rd team, same old Harrington.. If Atlanta doesn't at least bring Leftwich in for a look, then they basically are already looking to next year.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
At least your consistent. Downplay when the Vikings actually do somthing good much?The Vikings controlled this game and beat an inferior opponent like they are cabable of and supposed to do. You and scrappy dumber still predicting a 4-12 season?You guys had no faith in the Vikings team and gave them no credit for the things they do well. In fact Scooby acted like he wanted the Vikings to lose just so his negativity could be validated in this very thread.I don't feel like I should be needing to ask "fans" to give credit where credit is due. Or root against my own teams "fans" by believing our team can be successful.Better luck next time. I am sure the Vikings will live up to your expectations and lose at some point this season. But not today.
ArcticEdge
Footballguy
My Randy Quad impersonation from Major League II is working. I'll have to keep it up.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Give it a rest, would you? I already said before that I was encouraged by what I saw. I'm also saying that beating one of the worst 5 teams in the league isn't cause for booking playoff tickets either.They still only scored one offensive touchdown today and didn't get close on any other drive. Games against the Bears (twice), and the Chargers, Broncos, and the NFC east will be much more of a test than today was.I will eat some crow about my three win prediction though. The defense is even better than I thought, my Adrian Peterson man crush is approaching unhealthy levels, and the offense may not be as boring and predictable as it was last year.With the soft parts of their schedule, I can see conceivably where they win 5-6 games.Are you certain your "told you so's" aren't more obnoxious than our "I'm not so sure's"?Biabreakable said:Andy Dufresne said:At least your consistent. Downplay when the Vikings actually do somthing good much?The Vikings controlled this game and beat an inferior opponent like they are cabable of and supposed to do. You and scrappy dumber still predicting a 4-12 season?You guys had no faith in the Vikings team and gave them no credit for the things they do well. In fact Scooby acted like he wanted the Vikings to lose just so his negativity could be validated in this very thread.I don't feel like I should be needing to ask "fans" to give credit where credit is due. Or root against my own teams "fans" by believing our team can be successful.Better luck next time. I am sure the Vikings will live up to your expectations and lose at some point this season. But not today.
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ArcticEdge
Footballguy
Who cares?
I do or I wouldnt have asked.. Next time just dont reply at all please.
ArcticEdge
Footballguy
That was sarcasm, like who cares because Joe Horn has fallen so far he's not on most FF teams. It was a joke, now laugh! Unless you have Joe Horn. Do you have Joe horn?
snogger
Footballguy
Conversations I've heard between the end of the Packer game yesterday and getting to work today.
Most Viking "fans"... Sure they won.. THANK GOD they played those crappy Falcons.. Offense sucks, QB stinks, blah, blah, blah... I'd say more than half the comments have been negative.
On the other hand...
All Packer Fans... What a WIN!!! 
Neither team looked very good on offense yesterday. Both played Stellar Defense.
Yet it is night and day comparing the fans of both teams.
sure you can say the Packers played a better team.. Then again.. I am in the minority in that I think the Eagles in for a long season.. McNabb is coming off a major knee injury, they have nothing at WR and their defense has a few injuries.
Sometimes I hate being a Viking fan just for those reasons.
Enjoy the victory people.
I'm not saying we should be proclaiming them SuperBowl victors .. Heck I don't even see them making the playoffs.
But with basically a Rookie at QB, Rookie(basically) WR's, rookie RB's the future started off nicely.
So sit back, have a few
and enjoy the victory!!
Most Viking "fans"... Sure they won.. THANK GOD they played those crappy Falcons.. Offense sucks, QB stinks, blah, blah, blah... I'd say more than half the comments have been negative.
On the other hand...
All Packer Fans... What a WIN!!!
Neither team looked very good on offense yesterday. Both played Stellar Defense.
Yet it is night and day comparing the fans of both teams.
sure you can say the Packers played a better team.. Then again.. I am in the minority in that I think the Eagles in for a long season.. McNabb is coming off a major knee injury, they have nothing at WR and their defense has a few injuries.
Sometimes I hate being a Viking fan just for those reasons.
Enjoy the victory people.
I'm not saying we should be proclaiming them SuperBowl victors
.. Heck I don't even see them making the playoffs.But with basically a Rookie at QB, Rookie(basically) WR's, rookie RB's the future started off nicely.
So sit back, have a few
and enjoy the victory!!
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Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
We had a couple over for dinner last night and when they showed the replay, both of them and my wife, none of them big football fans, ALL said "Wow" when she saw AP explode past those linebackers on that catch & run.
He made it look like those guys weren't even trying. The NFC north has both him and Calvin Johnson - two great athletes to enjoy watching for many years to come.
He made it look like those guys weren't even trying. The NFC north has both him and Calvin Johnson - two great athletes to enjoy watching for many years to come.
fenwah
Footballguy
I have both AP and Johnson...and I didn't play either of them...I listened to the FFG cheatsheets for week one (I played Jamal Lewis instead of AP and DJ Hackett over C. Johnson).
I think I missed out on 32 points... 
Unles Housh scores 40 points tonight, I will get the win. But still...we have big money for the points leader at the end of the season.
Rogi
Footballguy
Not sure if you saw Favre's postgame press conference, but he was not very happy with the Packer's win.Conversations I've heard between the end of the Packer game yesterday and getting to work today.Most Viking "fans"... Sure they won.. THANK GOD they played those crappy Falcons.. Offense sucks, QB stinks, blah, blah, blah... I'd say more than half the comments have been negative.On the other hand...All Packer Fans... What a WIN!!!
Traders2001
Footballguy
they wont score much until they have a NFL caliber QB , Williamson was open deep all day Jackson just cant get the ball to anyone over 10 yards.Hey at the time thats exactly what I was thinking and I'm pretty sure I wasn't the only one. <_<
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Like I said earlier in the thread, Jackson didn't look nearly as lost as I expected him to.The start of this season is best-case for TJ and the Vikings. Getting the putrid Lions defense next week is really going to help get his feet wet.If he can't start connecting on the longer passes, though, it will emerge as a problem.
Hov34
Eephus's Great Great Great Love Child
Can I join you? On a couple of those 10+ yard runs he just explodes through the hole - and once contact is made (as long as it's just one tackler) he will tack on 2 or more yards to every run. He is a horse.I don't think we are even close to seeing what he can do.
snogger
Footballguy
Favre is always tough on himself if he doesn't have one of his stellar games.Packer fans aren't proclaiming their team Super Bowl winners.. at least none I talked to.Not sure if you saw Favre's postgame press conference, but he was not very happy with the Packer's win.Conversations I've heard between the end of the Packer game yesterday and getting to work today.Most Viking "fans"... Sure they won.. THANK GOD they played those crappy Falcons.. Offense sucks, QB stinks, blah, blah, blah... I'd say more than half the comments have been negative.On the other hand...All Packer Fans... What a WIN!!!
But they are celebrating yesterdays win.. whereas most Viking fans are basically: 
look at who they played.. 
My point is simple.. ENJOY THE WIN!!!! As a Packer fan I'd have to say this is incorrect. I'm happy they won, but they didn't deserve to win and the offense looked worse than most people expected.There's a ton of work to do. Solid defense, but they can't do it themselves. Someone on offense needs to step it up. In my opinion that person is Aaron Rodgers, but he's not playing yet. Favre is just holding that ball too long. Plus, McCarthy is not running the ball on 1st down at all. Terrible game yesterday. But, it's a W and the Bears still got the L.Most fans I've discussed the game with so far are also on the same page. Maybe the Packer fans you know are just tired of your banter so are giving a little back?Conversations I've heard between the end of the Packer game yesterday and getting to work today.Most Viking "fans"... Sure they won.. THANK GOD they played those crappy Falcons.. Offense sucks, QB stinks, blah, blah, blah... I'd say more than half the comments have been negative.On the other hand...All Packer Fans... What a WIN!!!
snogger
Footballguy
My banter??As a Packer fan I'd have to say this is incorrect. I'm happy they won, but they didn't deserve to win and the offense looked worse than most people expected.There's a ton of work to do. Solid defense, but they can't do it themselves. Someone on offense needs to step it up. In my opinion that person is Aaron Rodgers, but he's not playing yet. Favre is just holding that ball too long. Plus, McCarthy is not running the ball on 1st down at all. Terrible game yesterday. But, it's a W and the Bears still got the L.Most fans I've discussed the game with so far are also on the same page. Maybe the Packer fans you know are just tired of your banter so are giving a little back?Conversations I've heard between the end of the Packer game yesterday and getting to work today.Most Viking "fans"... Sure they won.. THANK GOD they played those crappy Falcons.. Offense sucks, QB stinks, blah, blah, blah... I'd say more than half the comments have been negative.On the other hand...All Packer Fans... What a WIN!!!
Declaring that I think they will win 6-7 games this year isn't exactly banter to be 
' ing a round.I live in Wisconsin and am a Viking fan.. I keep a low profile. 
My point was.. Most Packer fans declaration after the game was ... A win is a win is a win... on the other hand...Most Viking fans are: look at who we played.. or, it is equal to the Gophers winning in triple overtime vs. a under class team.. (Sorry Andy 
)..Again... Just enjoy the win!!!
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Bull Dozier
Footballguy
I thought Jackson looked like he started to play with more confidence as the game went on. To me, it seemed like the turning point was when he avoided that sack putting his hand with the ball on the ground to get his balance and then fling it out of bounds for an incompletion. While that was a rediculously dangerous play I would not like him to see, it seemed to spark him and he seemed sharper from that point on.Peterson looks like the real deal I fully expected him to be. I am seriously betting Chester's contusion is an injury that will linger for a couple of weeks while Peterson is on display, and Chester returns the week before or after the bye to take over the role of breather-back for Peterson, with no one complaining one bit how the former 1200 yard rusher lost his job.The last play that got me excited what Williamson's first reception where he was hit as he caught the ball and managed to hold on to it. Granted, it wasn't over his shoulder which is the most important thing for him to master as a receiver, but until Jackson gets sharper throwin deep, Williamson will have to catch those in front of him to be able to stay part of the gameplan.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I let out an audible "wow" on that one. It WAS a good catch. Hopefully it's a sign of things to come rather than a blind squirrel finding a nut type situation. I really want Troy to make it - he's worked hard enough to deserve so.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
This is a good thing to hear. We know Williamson can get open. He just needs to finish the deal. And keep blocking.Andy Dufresne said:
BigJim®
Footballguy
I may have underestimated this team; but it's somewhat hard to tell anything after 1 week. My initial thoughts:
(1) The defense is better than I expected, although Atlanta was hurt badly by dropped balls, including the outlandishly bad drop of an easy throw which resulted in the Winfield Int/TD.
(2) Running game looked good, pending reports on C.Taylor. I would feel a lot more confident if the Vikes were not relying 100% on Peterson getting the lions share of carries based on his injury history. Can someone explain why we only ran to the right though? I may have missed some obviousl explanation. I know workhorse role has to be the longterm plan for AP, but I'd like for Peterson to familiarize himself with the speed of the NFL before that happens.
(3) The 2 defensive TDs should obviously be looked at as as an anomaly. Ultimately, this team is going to need to be able to move the ball better offensively. One long screen pass does not an effective offense make.
(4) Tarvaris Jackson: Jury is definitely still out. If Culpepper had heaved a ball blindly over his shoulder like Jackson did he'd have been rightfully chastised. Strong arm, but the overthrow of a wide open Williamson continues a trend of not being able to hit WRs deep. Similarly, he missed S.Rice tearing wide open down the sidelines in a seam between zone coverage, forcing Rice to attempt an unsuccessful acrobatic move to keep the play in bounds. Even some short throws were high, low, behind a receiver. I think Jackson not being given much opportunity to throw long in the preseason set him back, and I think that was poor prep/coaching of an unseasoned QB. I guess if the goal folks are setting is 175 yards 0 TDs/1 INT, a little bit of ball control to keep the defense borderline fresh, and not being a determining factor whatsoever in games, T.Jackson should meet that expectation. I don't personally think there is anything wrong with wanting a QB who can be a difference maker for those days when the defense is schemed well by an opponent. I don't think we'll see that this year, and those games will probably result in losses.
(5) I like this S.Rice kid. 20 years old you say? Sky is the limit but he'll need an accurate QB to come anywhere near that limit.
(6) Top 5 defense combined with bottom 5 offense translates to 8-8, which is 3 wins better than my prior prediction. If TJ comes around and AP/Taylor can get similar success to yesterday, this absolutely could be a 10-6 team.
(1) The defense is better than I expected, although Atlanta was hurt badly by dropped balls, including the outlandishly bad drop of an easy throw which resulted in the Winfield Int/TD.
(2) Running game looked good, pending reports on C.Taylor. I would feel a lot more confident if the Vikes were not relying 100% on Peterson getting the lions share of carries based on his injury history. Can someone explain why we only ran to the right though? I may have missed some obviousl explanation. I know workhorse role has to be the longterm plan for AP, but I'd like for Peterson to familiarize himself with the speed of the NFL before that happens.
(3) The 2 defensive TDs should obviously be looked at as as an anomaly. Ultimately, this team is going to need to be able to move the ball better offensively. One long screen pass does not an effective offense make.
(4) Tarvaris Jackson: Jury is definitely still out. If Culpepper had heaved a ball blindly over his shoulder like Jackson did he'd have been rightfully chastised. Strong arm, but the overthrow of a wide open Williamson continues a trend of not being able to hit WRs deep. Similarly, he missed S.Rice tearing wide open down the sidelines in a seam between zone coverage, forcing Rice to attempt an unsuccessful acrobatic move to keep the play in bounds. Even some short throws were high, low, behind a receiver. I think Jackson not being given much opportunity to throw long in the preseason set him back, and I think that was poor prep/coaching of an unseasoned QB. I guess if the goal folks are setting is 175 yards 0 TDs/1 INT, a little bit of ball control to keep the defense borderline fresh, and not being a determining factor whatsoever in games, T.Jackson should meet that expectation. I don't personally think there is anything wrong with wanting a QB who can be a difference maker for those days when the defense is schemed well by an opponent. I don't think we'll see that this year, and those games will probably result in losses.
(5) I like this S.Rice kid. 20 years old you say? Sky is the limit but he'll need an accurate QB to come anywhere near that limit.
(6) Top 5 defense combined with bottom 5 offense translates to 8-8, which is 3 wins better than my prior prediction. If TJ comes around and AP/Taylor can get similar success to yesterday, this absolutely could be a 10-6 team.
mozzy84
Footballguy
great game! I thought Jackson looked real good, hes obviously a work in progress but a fan has to like what we saw yesterday. and I actually liked the playcalling for the most part, williamson didn't drop anything and the tight end they picked up looks like he will be able to play. The right side of the oline deserves some credit also, they were running great to the right all game maybe all the work they got in preseason paid off a little. Nice defensive pressure by the d-line that was missing all of last year and great blitz calls by the new d cordinator, robinson is going to be a monster on third downs this year. Joey is bad but the receivers on that team make me actually feel good about the vikings guys. Sucks for taylor but at least they have a good backup 
Bull Dozier
Footballguy
I think that was Childress' biggest mistake of the preseason. He seemed more concerned with trying to decide if Bollinger was worthy of the backup role than giving Jackson any meaningful experience running the offense.I don't think the Vikes D will finish top 5. I doubt they get a pass rush like that on a weekly basis. When they aren't getting that pressure, they will be exposed. Also, while they seemed stout against the run up the middle, they seemed weak against sweeps and tosses to the edge. Dunn and Norwood turned the corner more often than I would like to see.
I think Peterson is ready for the feature role, and Mewelde Moore would be a better compliment when he needs a breather.
tommyGunZ
Footballguy
I think it's the other way around - the NFL needs to familiarize itself with the speed of Adrian Peterson. The kid is an absolute monster, and along with Reggie Bush is the best RB to enter the NFL since LaDainian.Enjoy him Viking fans - you finally got the franchise back you tried to trade for in October of '89.
snogger
Footballguy
tommyGunZ
Footballguy
Had to throw a little salt in the wound - Vikings fans are some of my favorite posters on this board.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
The Walker trade was terrible, but not because Walker wasn't an elite talent.The shame is that they used him so completely wrong - like someone buying a Ferrari to go offroading.
Bull Dozier
Footballguy
That, and it prevented DJ Dozier from seeing the field more.The Walker trade was terrible, but not because Walker wasn't an elite talent.The shame is that they used him so completely wrong - like someone buying a Ferrari to go offroading.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
DJ Dozier prevented DJ Dozier from seeing the field more.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Future as in this year or future as in next?Wade started, but no one reciever seemed to be "the guy". Jackson did a pretty good job of finding the open guy and getting it to him. No receiver had more than 2 catches:A. Peterson 1/60/1B. Wade 1/28/0T. Williamson 2/19/0V. Shiancoe 2/18/0A. Allison 1/11/0S. Rice 2/10/0T. Richardson 2/10/0 J. Kleinsasser 1/4/0C. Taylor 1/3/0
az_prof
Footballguy
Thanks for the response. This year and future. Given how much Wade was targeted in preseason I expected him to be more involved, but I don't know if his injury was holding him back or if he was just covered. Long term I imagine most people like Rice: is there anyone who likes Williamson to finally become a good, if not great, NFL WR? We heard a lot about his work in the preseason: did he disappoint or meet your expectations?
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Hard to get a read on any of these guys given the results of this game. Personally, I think Wade is just adequate and will always be just that. Rice should be a terrific posession receiver. Williamson made a couple nice catches, in traffic even, but still looked like he was fighting the ball a bit. I don't think he'll be anything but average. But then again, I am Mr. Negative when it comes to the Vikings so...
FunkyPlutos
Footballguy
The first step is admitting you have a problem!!
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Call it a pre-emptive strike.The first step is admitting you have a problem!!
Steve in Minneapolis
Footballguy
snogger- I totally hear you about the fans here. I was born here, but was in Boston from when I was 10-18, and I lived through the great years of the Celtics, and the brutal years of the Sox/Patriots/Bruins. When I moved back to Minnesota, I used to invite friends over to watch the Vikings games. I stopped because as fans, the people here suck. They are all worst-case-scenario whiners. The problem is the clowns like Tom Bernard and Barreiro and the other hacks who write for the papers.. Even during the record-setting 1998 run, all they would do is whine about Denny Green and our defenive issues. I hate our band-wagon fans. /endrant
As for T-gunz - I still haven't forgiven Texas for two of the most egregious offenses against Minnesotas sports: 1) The Trade 2) Stealing our NHL team
My AP man-crush is growing, especially since he helped me crush Shick this week in No Mercy.
As for T-gunz - I still haven't forgiven Texas for two of the most egregious offenses against Minnesotas sports: 1) The Trade 2) Stealing our NHL team
My AP man-crush is growing, especially since he helped me crush Shick this week in No Mercy.
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Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I don't get the "band wagon" accusation. Sure Vikings fans are complainers, but they don't abandon the team. 10 straight years of sell outs refutes that.And let's be perfectly honest, the franchise makes it pretty easy.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Biabreakable
Footballguy
I am not as privledged as most of the Viking fans here who actualy got to see the game. AFN keeps replaying the Cowboys/Giants game here.
I am not sure what your looking for from the Viking WRs? I do not expect any of them to be solid starters for FF purposes this year. This offesne will without a doubt go through growing pains and inconsistency throughout the season because of the lack of experience of the QB and WR group. Jackson does not have the benifit of many young QBs to have a veteran WR or TE that he can count on to make the tough catch for him when the team needs a 1st down. Culpepper had Chris Carter to bail him out when he needed to keep the chains moving. This is a huge thing imho for a young developing QB to have a guy they can count on. It helps build confidence and a rhythm in the offense.But that is not going to be there for Jackson. He and these WRs are going to have to grow together.Williamson is the most experienced WR on the roster and he has worked harder than any other WR to be the best player he can be. His weakness is catching the ball. This does not come naturaly for him. Jackson is going to throw some very difficult to catch balls Williamson's way and he is going to have to adjust to them. There are going to be times when both players are going to get frustrated. And the press and fans are going to be very critical when they struggle. But they just have to keep working together and hopefully build chemistry over time. I think Williamson can be a very effective WR on slant and drag routes this offense uses a lot of the time. Timing and accuracy from the QB is key on these routes. Throw the ball a little too soon or too late or throw it a little behind is the difference between a completion - incomplete pass or interception. I am sure they are practicing this all the time. Remains to be seen when this part of the offense starts being used in games.As has allready been mentioned Jackson is struggling with the deep ball. Williamson struggled with adjusting to the deep ball last year. There will be big play opportunities off of play action because of the running game. Remains to be seen when/if these 2 can execute.Rice seems like a good out and fade WR. He is a rookie. It is going to take time to work him into the game plan.I think Wade is a place filler until Jackson builds chemistry with the 2 younger WRs. Maybe he will have some decent games along the way but I don't see him emerging as a starter. I expect Williamson to be the best the Vikings have this year and moving forward. But this offense is all about the running game and the recievers only need to keep the chains moving when called upon and block well. The rest of the team will have to do the rest. Some games the defense and running game will not be enough for the Vikings to win. Those games will probobly be lost.Come midseason we can look at how Jackson and the recievers are developing. I wouldn't expect much out of them at this time.whoa. so i am not loony?
BigJim®
Footballguy
Andy Dufresne said:
It drives me crazy to hear 'bandwagon' accusations, and I completely disagree with SIM's comment that "the people here suck." From my vantage, Viking fans have been more enduring than most fanbases would; we've put up with a lot. During the McCombs years, it was painfully obvious this team was pure business had no interest in putting its best foot forward, while reaping profits spending well below the cap. I'm actually shocked McCombs was able to sell out anything after he started treating this team like a used car, marginalizing any romantic notion a fan should have following a team. I think Zygi has improved the perception of the team in some ways, and detracted from it in others, without getting into too much hijack detail. I totally disagree that falling 500 tickets shy of selling out a horrible facility like the dome one stinking time in a 10 year period means this fanbase largely bandwagon. This team has not generated much interest in its product, perhaps because they did nothing in the preseason to generate typical interest [i.e. they no longer have household names, and they intentionally held back young exciting players like TJ/AP/SRice more than showcasing them]. Childress is a cold team spokesperson, who generates no added interest in the team whatsoever. Lastly, totally unrelated to the team, its a little outlandish for ticket sales to dictate 'bandwagoness' when we're living in an economy that is seeing a record number of people losing their homes. It's hard to imagine the economic environment hasn't had at least some impact on ticket sales; it's not like this team has always had 10,000 on a waiting list. Beyond that, a person is simply not a "bandwagonner" for not wanting to pay $75 to see a live performance of any product at all a team puts on the field [or more to go with family]. Am I a bandwagon fan if my favorite artist comes out with a so-so CD and I decide not to pay $75 to attend the concert, knowing that the new material will fill 3/4 of the show? Am I a bandwagon fan if my favorite actor is in a movie that gets bad reviews and I decide to wait for it to come out on video? I'm sorry, it is not a fan's obligation to pad the pocket of a team owner regardless of the product he's schlepping. Ultimately, sports is entertainment and people will spend their hard earned money if they believe they will be entertained. That has absolutely nothing to do with fandom. However, regardless of whether I choose to spend my own entertainment money to see a Vikes game live, I remain very interested in the team on a daily basis, don my Browner jersey every gameday [my young boys don their jerseys as well], and would plan to watch every game, no matter how painful it is to do so, and comiscerate/celebrate with other fans following a game. Bandwagonner? I think not.
mozzy84
Footballguy
4 losing seasons in the last 20 years they should be selling out, I don't see what people are complaining about or down about, the vikes pretty much always have a competitive team and alot of fans just take it for granted up here. A track record like detroit (forever) or even the bears in the 90's and they would be in LA right now because no one would have been supporting them.Andy Dufresne said:
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Naw your still loony. Just not when it comes to the Vikings.You knew a couple few things bout the Vikes.whoa. so i am not loony?
BigJim®
Footballguy
Did I call you loony? I think I may have disputed the Vikes winning many of the games you predicted to be wins. I'm not at the point of predicting specific wins after the Atlanta game, and I certainly would not bet my money on 10-6 record. I'd predict more wins than that "assuming the best" for most NFL teams. 10 wins isn't a great 'ceiling.'whoa. so i am not loony?
snogger
Footballguy
I agree. If the Vikings had been
like the Lions, those sellouts never would have happened.. Short term memory seems to be affecting a lot of you.. Think back to pre-Moss when a sell out only happened when General Mills or someone else stepped up and bought the rest of the tickets(short of Packer games of course).I will however place 50% of the blame on the Metro- .. Maybe with a new stadium... what the heck am I ??. .. did I just type that?? A new stadium?? 
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Steve in Minneapolis
Footballguy
I think my arguement is being somewhat white-washed or confused with the ticket-sales scenario. I see them as completly separate. As an example, I have numerous friends who have been season ticket holders for 10 years, and yet when you ask them about the team, they always harp on what is wrong. Another example: In 1998 and 2000 when the Vikings were on their runs, everywhere you went, you saw Vikings jerseys, car flags, banners, bumper stickers, window clings etc. Now those same exact people whine and nag about the team. There is no joy in them about their rapport with the Vikings. It is so hard to explain if you haven't lived somewhere where the entire fan base is completely rabid.
Do I think people here suck? No, so that term was overly aggressive and too broad of a stroke. But as sports fans, their fair-weather nature drives me nuts. If the Vikings go 4-0 (very possible with our schedule) you will start to see more jerseys, more buzz, etc from the exact same people who were whining about the team two weeks ago. And they will also say 'Yeah, we're 4-0, but we'll collapse again.' That is what I am talking about. In my mind, that's lame.
Do I think people here suck? No, so that term was overly aggressive and too broad of a stroke. But as sports fans, their fair-weather nature drives me nuts. If the Vikings go 4-0 (very possible with our schedule) you will start to see more jerseys, more buzz, etc from the exact same people who were whining about the team two weeks ago. And they will also say 'Yeah, we're 4-0, but we'll collapse again.' That is what I am talking about. In my mind, that's lame.
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