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Game Thread - Atlanta@Philadelphia (1 Viewer)

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at first i wanted the snow thought it would really slow down vick and kill atl. chances but i think you guys are making sense in that in can really help to even the playing field for ATL., but then I thought had great it would be when I go to the game if there was a foot of snow on the gorund, and how i would never forget that day so whatever happens, ill be happy :Dthese weather people blow everything out of proportion ussually, they didnt even call this 1-2 inches we got today (road crews werent even ready)my prediction is 4-6inches ending by late sat/early sundayGO EAGLES :D

 
Bad weather will make this game even more interesting. I'm not a fan of either team but trying to figure this one out is tough. I've underestimated the Falcons all year,Vick and the RB's get the attention but it's their defense that's made them a playoff team. The Eagles have been the class of the NFC all season,T.O.'s absence will make a difference at some point,but when? This week? If the Falcons get on top early the ghosts may start to appear on the Eagles sideline and doubt may set in,but if Philly scores first it could be a long day for the Falcons. I think a key could be Duckett. If the field is slick a straight ahead runner like T.J. could have some success and keep the Eagles O off the field,my personal thought is it won't happen amd even though I'm a Giant fan I like the Eagles to take this one by double digits.

 
Something to note:Eagles are 7-1 at home this year (only loss was week 17 vs. Bengals without the starters).Falcons are 4-4 on the road (beat SF (2-14), Car (7-9), Den (10-6), and NYG (6-10), lost to KC (7-9), TB (5-11), NO (8-8), and Sea (9-7))(NO and Sea without Vick).The impressive road win for the Falcons was against the Broncos in which Vick was 18/24 passing for 252 yards and 2 TD/0 INT and had 12 carries for 115 yards.If there's a reason for Eagles fans to worry, that's it.Special teams will be huge in the game, especially containing Rossum and making the Falcons start their drives inside their own 30.

 
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I'm starting to see conflicting weather reports for here in southeastern PA this weekend. The Weather Channel is still predicting snow from Saturday evening through till Sunday Evening, but alot of the local stations that get their weather from State College have the storm hitting Saturday morning and being gone by Saturday night. 6-10 inches, but all on Saturday. If that is the case, that field will be spotless come Sunday and all this "snowy field" talk may all be for nothing. :wall: Something to keep your eye on tomorrow.Oh yeah, and ESPN just reported that Vick made water into wine today at practice.

 
As far as Vick being the best player in sunday's game, I think that's a stretch. This game will be won or lost by the defense. Johnson proved last week that he may be one of or if not the best defensive co-ordinator in the NFL in stuffing a very capable offence. The Eagles have one of the most underrated defences in football and I can see them repeating the same sort of dominating performance again this week. Vick will be just as confused as Culpepper was with the looks that he's going to get from the phillie deffence and he also has been known to toss some ducks when the pressure is on. He won't be running anywhere near Dawkins in this playoff game...he's probably still feeling the lick from the last time they met. Freddie Mitchell will have a big week and the corners will shutdown any pass attack the falcons have. They can't beat phillie with their running game and they certainly won't through the air either. This one will be a wash. 28-13, Eagles go to the big show.

 
Maybe this isn't much of a surprise to some, but this stat really jumped out at me:

Vick is a turnover machine, he has more turnovers than tds:

12 INTs + (16 fumbles, 12 lost) = 24 turnovers

14 Pass TDs + 3 Rush TD's = 17 TDs

McNabb had 8 & 8(7 lost) turnovers with many more attempts, having 31 and 3 TDs, for quite the contrast between the two.

For every TD Vick scored, he had 1.4 turnovers.

For every TD McNabb scored, he had .4 turnovers.

 
Not only does Vick cough it up more then he scores, he hasn't won to many games that matters in his career. The management of the Falcons go and give that sick contract to a guy that's managed to get his team in the playoffs twice but has never put up numbers to back that 130 million up. The guy is exciting to watch but the only legitimate threat he has is on the ground. He's a small running back, get rid of Dunn and get a guy who can play the position. He will turn the ball over this week and that will be the difference in the game.

 
The management of the Falcons go and give that sick contract to a guy that's managed to get his team in the playoffs twice but has never put up numbers to back that 130 million up.
The amazing thing about Vick is... he doesn't have to bring home a championship to Atlanta. He's arguably the most exciting player in the league... and that alone will sell tickets for years to come. Locking this guy up to a long term contract was a great move for the Falcons. But what's fascinating to me is... Atlanta could land Randy Moss, Shaun Alexander and Jeremy Shockey... and the fans still wouldn't care. On the local news, there's this Philly reporter broadcasting from Atlanta all week. The other night he was at the ESPN Zone for, what I believe, was some kind of Falcon pep rally. There was about 12 people in the joint! This is a team that's advanced to the NFC Championship game! When they have similar rallies like this at Chickie & Pete's or McFaddens near the Linc in Philly... people are spilling out the door. It's just a sea of fans, getting nuts... doesn't matter if it's a Wednesday night. This is why the Eagle fans DESERVE a Super Bowl.
 
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Maybe this isn't much of a surprise to some, but this stat really jumped out at me:

Vick is a turnover machine, he has more turnovers than tds:

12 INTs + (16 fumbles, 12 lost) = 24 turnovers

14 Pass TDs + 3 Rush TD's = 17 TDs

McNabb had 8 & 8(7 lost) turnovers with many more attempts, having 31 and 3 TDs, for quite the contrast between the two.

For every TD Vick scored, he had 1.4 turnovers.

For every TD McNabb scored, he had .4 turnovers.
Agree that Vick's TOs are higher but are you sure about that number of fumbles lost? ... thought he lost 7 fumbles during the regular season.BTW, haven't checked into McNabb's fumbles lost but are you sure of that number? ... it is higher than would have expected especially considering he was sacked much less and had a ton fewer rushing attempts than Vick.

 
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Agree that Vick's TOs are higher but are you sure about that number of fumbles lost? ... thought he lost 7 fumbles during the regular season.BTW, haven't checked into McNabb's fumbles lost but are you sure of that number? ... it is higher than would have expected especially considering he was sacked much less and had a ton fewer rushing attempts than Vick.
I am sure about the number of fumbles for both, 16 for Vick and 8 for McNabb, but I believe I am wrong about the lost numbers. I do know that Vick recovered 4 of his own, and McNabb 1 of his, thus the numbers I came up with (my mistake as I whipped it up quickly). The problem is that one of their teammates could have also recovered for their respective teams, and therein is my flaw. I can't seem to find this data without actually going through each boxscore play by play. I don't have time right now, but will look into this later. Thanks for catching this.Regardless of this mistake, Vick is still a turnover machine.
 
In my eyes Vick is not the best player in the league...he's not even the best player at his position. He is a great athlete but he makes many questionable decisions, ones that cost his team. He is the greatest running quarterback in the league but to say he is the player period is a bold statement. With the amount of turnovers and his proneness to getting injured I would have him at maybe the fourth or fifth best quarterback and there are other players at other positions that elevate their teams play better then he does. The only way the Falcons win is if he has a big day on the ground. He just can't get it done passing on a consistent basis.

 
If the Falcons win this game it will be because the Eagles lost the turnover battle and their special teams made mistakes. At the end of the day I guarantee the Eagles will have more total yards and the only way they lose is by making mistakes.

 
Ten reasons Atlanta does not deserve to go to the Super Bowl.1. The city's fans were voted the worst in America by the Sporting News and GQ magazine.2. The night Henry Aaron hit his 711th career home run on the way to breaking Babe Ruth's record, fewer than 1,500 people showed up at the Braves' ballpark. "This was a pretty strong statement of what Atlanta thought of me and my record," Aaron said.3. The Georgia Bulldogs outdraw the Falcons. **The Georgia Bulldogs outdraw the Eagles too.**4. In a span of 15 post-season home games, the Braves failed to sell out nine times.5. Relatives of the Falcons' once cheered when the team's starting quarterback, Chris Chandler, was injured in a game. When Chandler's wife complained, one of the relatives threw a can of beer at her.6. The town was called "Loserville, USA," by Sports Illustrated.7. Its topless Gold Club is known for luring innocent sports stars like Patrick Ewing and Dennis Rodman with sex favors.8. During the 2003 National League playoffs, not a single local network affiliate agreed to televise the Braves-Cubs series. It was finally broadcast by a low-wattage UHF station.9. When the Falcons clinched just their third division title in 39 years in a game against the Raiders last month, there were more than 5,000 no-shows at the Georgia Dome. The stadium was half-empty by the fourth quarter.10. "Frankly, dear, I don't give a damn." - The most famous quote by the town's most famous fan, Rhett Butler.
TEN REASONS EAGLES DON'T DESERVE TO GO TO THE SUPER BOWL10. Terrell Owens - Even their beloved T.O. knows what a sewer Philly is. That's why he makes his full-time home right here in Atlanta.9. Philadelphia fans - Universally considered the poorest behaved fans in any professional sport 8. The fans whine about how they've "suffered", but they don't know what suffering is. The Falcons have never even had two consecutive winning seasons, for crying out loud. What kind of hardship is it to root for a perennial winner?7. Women - Let's face it, every now and again we like to see some shots of good-looking women during breaks in the action while watching a game. Even after they've shaved their mustaches, those Philly broads are just nasty...and even the most die-hard Iggles fan has to admit there's a reason they call it the Beautiful South 6. Style - Yes, it's a home game and a dome team is less familiar with the elements of cold and snow. That said, a simple truth has always been that running teams fare better in inclement weather that passing teams...and it's important to note that Philly had only 10 rushing touchdowns all season, four fewer than Owens had on his own. 5. Atlanta, by contrast, is the top rushing team in the league with the most touchdowns scored on the ground, double those of Philly. 4. Our coach could beat up their coach. And he's way better looking.3. When Pittsburgh demolished the Eagles earlier in the season, they did so by pounding them with the run (252 yards on 56 attempts), then supplementing with the pass (only 11 completions for 168 yards, but 2 touchdowns). Hmmmm...that's a similar style of play to whom, do you think? 2. They have had 3 consecutive chances to go to the Super Bowl, the last two of these games in their own home, yet have squandered all 3 chances. The Falcons have only had the opportunity once, and they took advantage of it on their first try.1. Number One reason the Eagles shouldn't go to the Super Bowl: Their sportswriter writing a top ten list about why the Falcons shouldn't go can only come up with three reasons actually related to the Falcons in his list of ten!GO FALCONS! :D
 
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He hasn't won to many games that matters in his career.
No offense intended phillie phan, but that has got to be the dumbest statement that I've ever seen written, in regards to Vick. You do know that he's only had two full seasons as the Falcons QB right?His first season he learned from the bench and at the very end he got into a couple of games.2nd season and his first full season, he takes the Falcons to the play offs and notches his first play off win. I'd say that every game he played in that year mattered, how else do they make the play offs?3rd season he broke his ankle in the pre season and only played the last four games....of which he won 3 after the Falcons had gone 2 - 10 prior to him returning!4th season and this year, he's got the Falcons ranked as the #2 seed in the NFC and has his team in the NFC Championship this weekend. I'd say all the games he played this year were games that mattered. How else did the Falcons earn a play off bye and make it to the NFC Championship?But you're saying he hasn't played in many games that mattered? I don't get it! :confused:
 
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He hasn't won to many games that matters in his career.
No offense intended phillie phan, but that has got to be the dumbest statement that I've ever seen written, in regards to Vick.
I agree that is an ignorant thing to say, especially comparing Vick to McNabb wrt meaningful games. In the 2 seasons Vick has been the full time starter (injured last year), Atlanta has made the playoffs. McNabb has a comparable record for making the playoffs.Vick is 2-1 in playoff games while McNabb is 6-4, and as we all know McNabb hasn't won the NFC title game yet. So don't see where McNabb has an advantage in meaningful games compared to Vick.
 
everyone is overrating atl. so called great rushing team, there stats are scewed by vicks large numbers which wont work against one of the better defenses in the league, he wont run wild this week, and him and mcnabb as of now shouldnt be compared, vick is a joke of a passing QB, anyone who wouldnt take mcnabb over him now needs there head checked and will see this sunday, as vick will look confused a nd will be shut downif vick keeps playing like he does and does not develop his pasisng game he's not going to win anything big anytime soon, (its called looking past the 1st WR and not running all the time)1 overhyped player in manning was exposed last week and now this week its vick turn

 
Falcons 24 Eagles 13 :football: Vick 120 yds rushing, 1tdDunn 60 yds, 1tdCrumpler 36 yds, 1td McNabb 40 yds rushing, 1 tdLevens 40 yds, 1tdAnd I'll be caucking the arm with Canadian Bud! (better water, more alcohol content) :thumbup: :thumbup:

 
Vick 120 yds rushing, 1td
ill bet anything vick will have less rushing yard then he did in the rams game, vick will not run wild this game and he should be happy if he gets over 50 rushing and comes out of the game with his health
 
He should be happy if he gets over 50 rushing and comes out of the game with his health.
50 yards rushing and his health? Nah...that's not what will make Vick happy.I'll tell you what will make Vick happy though. It'll be when the game is over and he and his team mates are walking off the field knowing that they'll be one of the teams in the Super Bowl.
 
He should be happy if he gets over 50 rushing and comes out of the game with his health.
50 yards rushing and his health? Nah...that's not what will make Vick happy.I'll tell you what will make Vick happy though. It'll be when the game is over and he and his team mates are walking off the field knowing that they'll be one of the teams in the Super Bowl.
Yes, but we're not talking about things that will make Vick happy in 2010....
 
He should be happy if he gets over 50 rushing and comes out of the game with his health.
50 yards rushing and his health? Nah...that's not what will make Vick happy.I'll tell you what will make Vick happy though. It'll be when the game is over and he and his team mates are walking off the field knowing that they'll be one of the teams in the Super Bowl.
Yes, but we're not talking about things that will make Vick happy in 2010....
You're right, we're talking about tomorrow.
 
He hasn't won to many games that matters in his career.
No offense intended phillie phan, but that has got to be the dumbest statement that I've ever seen written, in regards to Vick.

You do know that he's only had two full seasons as the Falcons QB right?

His first season he learned from the bench and at the very end he got into a couple of games.

2nd season and his first full season, he takes the Falcons to the play offs and notches his first play off win. I'd say that every game he played in that year mattered, how else do they make the play offs?

3rd season he broke his ankle in the pre season and only played the last four games....of which he won 3 after the Falcons had gone 2 - 10 prior to him returning!

4th season and this year, he's got the Falcons ranked as the #2 seed in the NFC and has his team in the NFC Championship this weekend. I'd say all the games he played this year were games that mattered. How else did the Falcons earn a play off bye and make it to the NFC Championship?

But you're saying he hasn't played in many games that mattered? I don't get it! :confused:
Let's look back at Vick's performance in the 2 times he's made it to the post season...this year he's managed to beat a hapless Rams team in a romp, I guess we can consider that a game that matters. But the true measure of a quarterback is how they face adversity. They were huge favorites over the Rams and I don't think anyone can argue the fact that the Rams stood a fighting chance from the opening kickoff. Good quarterbacks find ways to win games against BETTER teams, not ones that they should beat. What I was getting at was that Vick has yet to make a mark in that respect. The 2 playoff games they've won with Vick at the helm were not against teams that were favoured. Not to mention you want to discuss the fact that they were champions of their division and got the bye. How many games did they win last season? Do you think that may have had an impact on their schedule? Hmmm. Do I think Vick is overated, very much so. If he goes and wins tomorow's game then I will give credence that he's for real. But until then he's a sub-par quarterback with great running skills.
 
He hasn't won to many games that matters in his career.
No offense intended phillie phan, but that has got to be the dumbest statement that I've ever seen written, in regards to Vick.

You do know that he's only had two full seasons as the Falcons QB right?

His first season he learned from the bench and at the very end he got into a couple of games.

2nd season and his first full season, he takes the Falcons to the play offs and notches his first play off win. I'd say that every game he played in that year mattered, how else do they make the play offs?

3rd season he broke his ankle in the pre season and only played the last four games....of which he won 3 after the Falcons had gone 2 - 10 prior to him returning!

4th season and this year, he's got the Falcons ranked as the #2 seed in the NFC and has his team in the NFC Championship this weekend. I'd say all the games he played this year were games that mattered. How else did the Falcons earn a play off bye and make it to the NFC Championship?

But you're saying he hasn't played in many games that mattered? I don't get it! :confused:
Let's look back at Vick's performance in the 2 times he's made it to the post season...this year he's managed to beat a hapless Rams team in a romp, I guess we can consider that a game that matters. But the true measure of a quarterback is how they face adversity. They were huge favorites over the Rams and I don't think anyone can argue the fact that the Rams stood a fighting chance from the opening kickoff. Good quarterbacks find ways to win games against BETTER teams, not ones that they should beat. What I was getting at was that Vick has yet to make a mark in that respect. The 2 playoff games they've won with Vick at the helm were not against teams that were favoured. Not to mention you want to discuss the fact that they were champions of their division and got the bye. How many games did they win last season? Do you think that may have had an impact on their schedule? Hmmm. Do I think Vick is overated, very much so. If he goes and wins tomorow's game then I will give credence that he's for real. But until then he's a sub-par quarterback with great running skills.
I like Vick and think he's a good QB with the potential to be great once he becomes a better passer. However, he's not going to win against the Eagles on the road in the cold and snow. Before you say "but he did it against GB", those were completely different circumstances. GB had injuries all over the place and they also made costly mistakes in the game. The Falcons could win this game (like any team in the NFL) but it will be because the Eagles choked more than the Falcons beating them.
 
Let's look back at Vick's performance in the 2 times he's made it to the post season...this year he's managed to beat a hapless Rams team in a romp, I guess we can consider that a game that matters. But the true measure of a quarterback is how they face adversity. They were huge favorites over the Rams and I don't think anyone can argue the fact that the Rams stood a fighting chance from the opening kickoff. Good quarterbacks find ways to win games against BETTER teams, not ones that they should beat. What I was getting at was that Vick has yet to make a mark in that respect. The 2 playoff games they've won with Vick at the helm were not against teams that were favored. Not to mention you want to discuss the fact that they were champions of their division and got the bye. How many games did they win last season? Do you think that may have had an impact on their schedule? Hmmm. Do I think Vick is overated, very much so. If he goes and wins tomorow's game then I will give credence that he's for real. But until then he's a sub-par quarterback with great running skills.
I understand what you're saying here phillie phan. Coupla' points though.

The Falcons were definitely not a HUGE favorites over the Lambs. In fact, a poll on who would win the Falcons - vs - Lambs game last week, showed no clear consensus even here at FBG, let alone what the line showed out in Vegas. A LOT of people argued that the Lambs would be sending the Falcons packing. Certainly NO ONE called the utter destruction of the Lambs.

One of your arguments is that the Falcons had a soft schedule. And the Eagles didn't? They play in the NFC Least don't they? Their division alone, gives the Eagles a soft schedule. Look at their entire schedule and then try and tell me that was a tough schedule. I don't think so! Take a look at the Falcons game towards the end of the season (week 15) against the Panthers. This is when the defending NFC Champions were really clicking and desperately fighting, scratching & clawing for a play off spot. Vick brought the Falcons back in that game. Forcing OT on that 12 yard run, where he levitated off the field and into the end zone for the last five yards of that TD run. Nobody had the Falcons favored in that game either. If you want to only look at what I guess you would consider their "Quality" games from this season:

Atlanta - vs - San Diego.........Atlanta won 21 to 20 and going into the 4th quarter San Diego had the lead 17 to 14. That's a quality win don't you think?

Denver - vs - Atlanta......Atlanta in an embarrassing dismantling of the Donkeys at Invesco Field, 41 to 28. Again a quality win.

Sure Atlanta got blown out themselves in a couple of games (KC & Tampa), but that happens to every team. Also Atlanta & Tampa split their games. Atlanta beat Tampa at home & Tampa beat Atlanta at home.

Lets take a look at how have the Eagles fared against top ranked running teams shall we? Well to be honest, the Eagles haven't even faced more than a couple of good running teams, but against one of the good running teams they did face, Pittsburgh, they got their butts handed to them to the tune of a 27 to 3 spanking.

How did the Eagles fare when facing a quality D? Well we can see how they did against the Steelers. They faced Baltimore as well. That game was a squeaker, 15 to 10 Eagles. Then in Week 14 they played another quality D in Washington. Final score in that game? 17 to 14 Philly. I'd say the Eagles were lucky that the Red Skins really didn't have much of an offense (still can't figure out how they gave up 14 points to them?). Oh! T.O. was not hurt in any of those games. What does this tell us? The Eagles Offense struggles against good D's. While the Falcons certainly don't have a great D, their D is not chopped liver.

And I don't even want to hear about how Trotter has turned their run D around. That's the sports announcers line Du Jour of the moment. But have they really improved as much as their stats suggest? Take a close look at the games the Phillies played when their Run D supposedly came around.

The games were either blow outs, where the opposing team abandoned the run early, or the Eagles padded their Run D's stats by going against sub par rushing teams. They haven't faced a good running team since Week 9 against Pittsburgh, let alone the #1 Rushing Team in the entire NFL.

The supposed improvement to the Eagles Run D, is artificial IMO. Kinda like when the Raiders had the NFL's #1 Run D a few years back. The ranking was indeed correct, but looking closer, you saw that nobody ran on the Raiders that year. Why you ask? The Raiders were always blowing out their opponents, forcing the opposing teams to to dump their running game to play catch up via the pass. The Raiders had an artificially ranked #1 Run D that year. Same as the Eagles have an artificially improved Run D this last third of the season.

All in all, anybody expecting a cake walk for the Eagles because they're assuming the Falcons are overrated and only in the play offs due to soft scheduling and don't really have a good running game, are in for a rude awakening......IMO.

The best thing to happen for Atlanta, is the expected weather...especially the wind factor. Takes the deep ball out of the equation which definitely favors the Falcons, as the run game becomes more important. I think there's a very good chance that the Eagles run game falters against the Falcons D, whereas the Falcons show they CAN & WILL run on the Eagles.

If the Falcons get an early lead on the Eagles, turn out the lights fellas, this game is over. Falcons win & Eagles go home with a 4th consecutive NFC Championship loss.

Conversely, if the Eagles get out to an early lead of say a two TD's, the Falcons will lose. They are NOT built to be a come from behind team and are not very good when playing from behind. Vick is still not consistently accurate in the passing game. Incredible flick of the wrist 30 to 40 yarders dropping right into the receivers bread basket are interspersed with head scratching "What the heck was that?" type of throws. Throw in the wind factor and it will be an Eagles victory.

I think this will end up being a great game and I'm counting down the minutes until Kick Off. :thumbup:

EDIT: For typos.

 
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I like Vick and think he's a good QB with the potential to be great once he becomes a better passer. However, he's not going to win against the Eagles on the road in the cold and snow. Before you say "but he did it against GB", those were completely different circumstances. GB had injuries all over the place and they also made costly mistakes in the game. The Falcons could win this game (like any team in the NFL) but it will be because the Eagles choked more than the Falcons beating them.
But cstu, he did it against Green Bay! ;)
 
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Let's look back at Vick's performance in the 2 times he's made it to the post season...this year he's managed to beat a hapless Rams team in a romp, I guess we can consider that a game that matters. But the true measure of a quarterback is how they face adversity. They were huge favorites over the Rams and I don't think anyone can argue the fact that the Rams stood a fighting chance from the opening kickoff. Good quarterbacks find ways to win games against BETTER teams, not ones that they should beat. What I was getting at was that Vick has yet to make a mark in that respect. The 2 playoff games they've won with Vick at the helm were not against teams that were favored. Not to mention you want to discuss the fact that they were champions of their division and got the bye. How many games did they win last season? Do you think that may have had an impact on their schedule? Hmmm. Do I think Vick is overated, very much so. If he goes and wins tomorow's game then I will give credence that he's for real. But until then he's a sub-par quarterback with great running skills.
I understand what you're saying here phillie phan. Coupla' points though.

The Falcons were definitely not a HUGE favorites over the Lambs. In fact, a poll on who would win the Falcons - vs - Lambs game last week, showed no clear consensus even here at FBG, let alone what the line showed out in Vegas. A LOT of people argued that the Lambs would be sending the Falcons packing. Certainly NO ONE called the utter destruction of the Lambs.

One of your arguments is that the Falcons had a soft schedule. And the Eagles didn't? They play in the NFC Least don't they? Their division alone, gives the Eagles a soft schedule. Look at their entire schedule and then try and tell me that was a tough schedule. I don't think so! Take a look at the Falcons game towards the end of the season (week 15) against the Panthers. This is when the defending NFC Champions were really clicking and desperately fighting, scratching & clawing for a play off spot. Vick brought the Falcons back in that game. Forcing OT on that 12 yard run, where he levitated off the field and into the end zone for the last five yards of that TD run. Nobody had the Falcons favored in that game either. If you want to only look at what I guess you would consider their "Quality" games from this season:

Atlanta - vs - San Diego.........Atlanta won 21 to 20 and going into the 4th quarter San Diego had the lead 17 to 14. That's a quality win don't you think?

Denver - vs - Atlanta......Atlanta in an embarrassing dismantling of the Donkeys at Invesco Field, 41 to 28. Again a quality win.

Sure Atlanta got blown out themselves in a couple of games (KC & Tampa), but that happens to every team. Also Atlanta & Tampa split their games. Atlanta beat Tampa at home & Tampa beat Atlanta at home.

Lets take a look at how have the Eagles fared against top ranked running teams shall we? Well to be honest, the Eagles haven't even faced more than a couple of good running teams, but against one of the good running teams they did face, Pittsburgh, they got their butts handed to them to the tune of a 27 to 3 spanking.

How did the Eagles fare when facing a quality D? Well we can see how they did against the Steelers. They faced Baltimore as well. That game was a squeaker, 15 to 10 Eagles. Then in Week 14 they played another quality D in Washington. Final score in that game? 17 to 14 Philly. I'd say the Eagles were lucky that the Red Skins really didn't have much of an offense (still can't figure out how they gave up 14 points to them?). Oh! T.O. was not hurt in any of those games. What does this tell us? The Eagles Offense struggles against good D's. While the Falcons certainly don't have a great D, their D is not chopped liver.

And I don't even want to hear about how Trotter has turned their run D around. That's the sports announcers line Du Jour of the moment. But have they really improved as much as their stats suggest? Take a close look at the games the Phillies played when their Run D supposedly came around.

The games were either blow outs, where the opposing team abandoned the run early, or the Eagles padded their Run D's stats by going against sub par rushing teams. They haven't faced a good running team since Week 9 against Pittsburgh, let alone the #1 Rushing Team in the entire NFL.

The supposed improvement to the Eagles Run D, is artificial IMO. Kinda like when the Raiders had the NFL's #1 Run D a few years back. The ranking was indeed correct, but looking closer, you saw that nobody ran on the Raiders that year. Why you ask? The Raiders were always blowing out their opponents, forcing the opposing teams to to dump their running game to play catch up via the pass. The Raiders had an artificially ranked #1 Run D that year. Same as the Eagles have an artificially improved Run D this last third of the season.

All in all, anybody expecting a cake walk for the Eagles because they're assuming the Falcons are overrated and only in the play offs due to soft scheduling and don't really have a good running game, are in for a rude awakening......IMO.

The best thing to happen for Atlanta, is the expected weather...especially the wind factor. Takes the deep ball out of the equation which definitely favors the Falcons, as the run game becomes more important. I think there's a very good chance that the Eagles run game falters against the Falcons D, whereas the Falcons show they CAN & WILL run on the Eagles.

If the Falcons get an early lead on the Eagles, turn out the lights fellas, this game is over. Falcons win & Eagles go home with a 4th consecutive NFC Championship loss.

Conversely, if the Eagles get out to an early lead of say a two TD's, the Falcons will lose. They are NOT built to be a come from behind team and are not very good when playing from behind. Vick is still not consistently accurate in the passing game. Incredible flick of the wrist 30 to 40 yarders dropping right into the receivers bread basket are interspersed with head scratching "What the heck was that?" type of throws. Throw in the wind factor and it will be an Eagles victory.

I think this will end up being a great game and I'm counting down the minutes until Kick Off. :thumbup:

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:goodposting: agree 100%.. Eagles fans have been singing the same song the last 2 years...and lost both times. While I believe this is their best shot, as the NFC is the weakest it's ever been, I do not think it will be easy.. IF the Falcons score first, EVERYONE in that stadium will start seeing the ghosts of NFC Championships past, and the players will begin to worry.... IF the Eagles score first, they win- cause they will relax and play with confidence.. :football:

I CAN'T WAIT FOR THESE GAMES!!!

 
Let's look back at Vick's performance in the 2 times he's made it to the post season...this year he's managed to beat a hapless Rams team in a romp, I guess we can consider that a game that matters. But the true measure of a quarterback is how they face adversity. They were huge favorites over the Rams and I don't think anyone can argue the fact that the Rams stood a fighting chance from the opening kickoff. Good quarterbacks find ways to win games against BETTER teams, not ones that they should beat. What I was getting at was that Vick has yet to make a mark in that respect. The 2 playoff games they've won with Vick at the helm were not against teams that were favoured.
The Falcons were favored over the Packers in 2002? :confused:
 
Let's look back at Vick's performance in the 2 times he's made it to the post season...this year he's managed to beat a hapless Rams team in a romp, I guess we can consider that a game that matters. But the true measure of a quarterback is how they face adversity. They were huge favorites over the Rams and I don't think anyone can argue the fact that the Rams stood a fighting chance from the opening kickoff. Good quarterbacks find ways to win games against BETTER teams, not ones that they should beat. What I was getting at was that Vick has yet to make a mark in that respect. The 2 playoff games they've won with Vick at the helm were not against teams that were favoured.
The Falcons were favored over the Packers in 2002? :confused:
No, the Falcons were not favored against the Pack. phillie phan just had a brain fart on that.
 
Let's look back at Vick's performance in the 2 times he's made it to the post season...this year he's managed to beat a hapless Rams team in a romp, I guess we can consider that a game that matters. But the true measure of a quarterback is how they face adversity. They were huge favorites over the Rams and I don't think anyone can argue the fact that the Rams stood a fighting chance from the opening kickoff. Good quarterbacks find ways to win games against BETTER teams, not ones that they should beat. What I was getting at was that Vick has yet to make a mark in that respect. The 2 playoff games they've won with Vick at the helm were not against teams that were favored. Not to mention you want to discuss the fact that they were champions of their division and got the bye. How many games did they win last season? Do you think that may have had an impact on their schedule? Hmmm. Do I think Vick is overated, very much so. If he goes and wins tomorow's game then I will give credence that he's for real. But until then he's a sub-par quarterback with great running skills.
I understand what you're saying here phillie phan. Coupla' points though.

The Falcons were definitely not a HUGE favorites over the Lambs. In fact, a poll on who would win the Falcons - vs - Lambs game last week, showed no clear consensus even here at FBG, let alone what the line showed out in Vegas. A LOT of people argued that the Lambs would be sending the Falcons packing. Certainly NO ONE called the utter destruction of the Lambs.

One of your arguments is that the Falcons had a soft schedule. And the Eagles didn't? They play in the NFC Least don't they? Their division alone, gives the Eagles a soft schedule. Look at their entire schedule and then try and tell me that was a tough schedule. I don't think so! Take a look at the Falcons game towards the end of the season (week 15) against the Panthers. This is when the defending NFC Champions were really clicking and desperately fighting, scratching & clawing for a play off spot. Vick brought the Falcons back in that game. Forcing OT on that 12 yard run, where he levitated off the field and into the end zone for the last five yards of that TD run. Nobody had the Falcons favored in that game either. If you want to only look at what I guess you would consider their "Quality" games from this season:

Atlanta - vs - San Diego.........Atlanta won 21 to 20 and going into the 4th quarter San Diego had the lead 17 to 14. That's a quality win don't you think?

Denver - vs - Atlanta......Atlanta in an embarrassing dismantling of the Donkeys at Invesco Field, 41 to 28. Again a quality win.

Sure Atlanta got blown out themselves in a couple of games (KC & Tampa), but that happens to every team. Also Atlanta & Tampa split their games. Atlanta beat Tampa at home & Tampa beat Atlanta at home.

Lets take a look at how have the Eagles fared against top ranked running teams shall we? Well to be honest, the Eagles haven't even faced more than a couple of good running teams, but against one of the good running teams they did face, Pittsburgh, they got their butts handed to them to the tune of a 27 to 3 spanking.

How did the Eagles fare when facing a quality D? Well we can see how they did against the Steelers. They faced Baltimore as well. That game was a squeaker, 15 to 10 Eagles. Then in Week 14 they played another quality D in Washington. Final score in that game? 17 to 14 Philly. I'd say the Eagles were lucky that the Red Skins really didn't have much of an offense (still can't figure out how they gave up 14 points to them?). Oh! T.O. was not hurt in any of those games. What does this tell us? The Eagles Offense struggles against good D's. While the Falcons certainly don't have a great D, their D is not chopped liver.

And I don't even want to hear about how Trotter has turned their run D around. That's the sports announcers line Du Jour of the moment. But have they really improved as much as their stats suggest? Take a close look at the games the Phillies played when their Run D supposedly came around.

The games were either blow outs, where the opposing team abandoned the run early, or the Eagles padded their Run D's stats by going against sub par rushing teams. They haven't faced a good running team since Week 9 against Pittsburgh, let alone the #1 Rushing Team in the entire NFL.

The supposed improvement to the Eagles Run D, is artificial IMO. Kinda like when the Raiders had the NFL's #1 Run D a few years back. The ranking was indeed correct, but looking closer, you saw that nobody ran on the Raiders that year. Why you ask? The Raiders were always blowing out their opponents, forcing the opposing teams to to dump their running game to play catch up via the pass. The Raiders had an artificially ranked #1 Run D that year. Same as the Eagles have an artificially improved Run D this last third of the season.

All in all, anybody expecting a cake walk for the Eagles because they're assuming the Falcons are overrated and only in the play offs due to soft scheduling and don't really have a good running game, are in for a rude awakening......IMO.

The best thing to happen for Atlanta, is the expected weather...especially the wind factor. Takes the deep ball out of the equation which definitely favors the Falcons, as the run game becomes more important. I think there's a very good chance that the Eagles run game falters against the Falcons D, whereas the Falcons show they CAN & WILL run on the Eagles.

If the Falcons get an early lead on the Eagles, turn out the lights fellas, this game is over. Falcons win & Eagles go home with a 4th consecutive NFC Championship loss.

Conversely, if the Eagles get out to an early lead of say a two TD's, the Falcons will lose. They are NOT built to be a come from behind team and are not very good when playing from behind. Vick is still not consistently accurate in the passing game. Incredible flick of the wrist 30 to 40 yarders dropping right into the receivers bread basket are interspersed with head scratching "What the heck was that?" type of throws. Throw in the wind factor and it will be an Eagles victory.

I think this will end up being a great game and I'm counting down the minutes until Kick Off. :thumbup:

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Must be nice to walk through the world with such blinders on...This was homerism at its best. Your defense was middle of the pack in both scoring defense and yardage...AVG...Your offense was middle of the pack...you have one of the worst pass offenses in the league going against a secondary with 3 probowlers in it...you managed to score roughly exactly as many pts over the course of the season as scored upon....all these are hardly the marks of a championship caliber team...falcons fans keep pointing to their no. 1 rushing rank as its ray of hope...but we all know the stats are inflated with Vick running ball...u are playing a team that dominated..and i mean dominated...virtually every oppenent if faced all year...losing only 1 game it tried to win...to the 15-1 steelers...even if the Falcons do manage to run on the eagles...so what....the eagles ran through the nfc last year winning every game giving up 150 yards a game....there is almost nothing that you look at in this game that points the falcons winning it...the best they have is if Mcnabb adn eagles come out jittery and flat or cough the ball up 3 or 4 times....
 
OMG, that was one of the worst renditions of the national anthem ever. I feel sorry for that kid.
That might top Roseanne's performance.But, probably not.
 
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Seriously.......you have to be the biggest dumb### TO LET A KID SING THE NATION ANTHEM DURING THE NFC CHAMPIONSHIP GAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 
Seriously.......you have to be the biggest dumb### TO LET A KID SING THE NATION ANTHEM DURING THE NFC CHAMPIONSHIP GAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
not if he is about to die....than its ok.otherwise........WTF :rant:
 
Seriously.......you have to be the biggest dumb### TO LET A KID SING THE NATION ANTHEM DURING THE NFC CHAMPIONSHIP GAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
there is obviously more to the story. why not find out WHY he was singing before attacking?
 
Seriously.......you have to be the biggest dumb### TO LET A KID SING THE NATION ANTHEM DURING THE NFC CHAMPIONSHIP GAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
not if he is about to die....than its ok.otherwise........WTF :rant:
the kid was obviously "challenged" in some way but seriously that was ridiculous. But it he was still better than what Ashlee Simpson would have sounded like.
 
Must be nice to walk through the world with such blinders on...This was homerism at its best. Your defense was middle of the pack in both scoring defense and yardage...AVG...Your offense was middle of the pack...you have one of the worst pass offenses in the league going against a secondary with 3 probowlers in it...you managed to score roughly exactly as many pts over the course of the season as scored upon....all these are hardly the marks of a championship caliber team...falcons fans keep pointing to their no. 1 rushing rank as its ray of hope...but we all know the stats are inflated with Vick running ball...u are playing a team that dominated..and i mean dominated...virtually every oppenent if faced all year...losing only 1 game it tried to win...to the 15-1 steelers...even if the Falcons do manage to run on the eagles...so what....the eagles ran through the nfc last year winning every game giving up 150 yards a game....there is almost nothing that you look at in this game that points the falcons winning it...the best they have is if Mcnabb adn eagles come out jittery and flat or cough the ball up 3 or 4 times....
You say the Falcons running game was skewed by the rushing of Vick. No offense intended, but Vick IS a part of the Falcons running game, so how is his running skewing the stats?

I'm also faitly certain I said this about the Falcons D.....

While the Falcons certainly don't have a great D, their D is not chopped liver.
If I need to take the "Blinders" off and it was "Homerism at its best" why would I even say.......
Conversely, if the Eagles get out to an early lead of say a two TD's, the Falcons will lose. They are NOT built to be a come from behind team and are not very good when playing from behind. Vick is still not consistently accurate in the passing game. Incredible flick of the wrist 30 to 40 yarders dropping right into the receivers bread basket are interspersed with head scratching "What the heck was that?" type of throws. Throw in the wind factor and it will be an Eagles victory.
Again no offense intended, but between the two posts, I'd say the one that's the least objective and clouded by homerism, would have to be yours. :rolleyes:
 

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