babydemon90
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Oakland is the #9 ranked offense....
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Game Thread W11: NY Jets at Denver (1 Viewer)
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money.never.sleeps
Footballguy
saw that.. He'll get his butt chewed out. He walked.. sad.'BusterTBronco said:
B-Deep
Footballguy
Tebow cannot win any games against good teams, because if a team loses Tebow that alone proves they are no good.Chris Carter can explain it to you, and if you hate Tebow enough it will make sense.
WalrusMan
Footballguy
I really enjoy watching Tebow and the Broncos play like this.
For one, it was high time for some NFL offenses to go "old school" to the wishbone and option. Defenses have been getting lighter and speedier and soft; it's a good changeup, and it can work.
For two, he believes and his team believes, and they're showing that that's 90% of the battle. It was similar with Kurt Warner, even though Warner is undoubtedly more skilled. I'm sick of watching teams quit or save their bodies in "business decisions." You see how hard McGahee and Ball and Johnson were running today, and how well the defense played? That's Tebow's influence.
For one, it was high time for some NFL offenses to go "old school" to the wishbone and option. Defenses have been getting lighter and speedier and soft; it's a good changeup, and it can work.
For two, he believes and his team believes, and they're showing that that's 90% of the battle. It was similar with Kurt Warner, even though Warner is undoubtedly more skilled. I'm sick of watching teams quit or save their bodies in "business decisions." You see how hard McGahee and Ball and Johnson were running today, and how well the defense played? That's Tebow's influence.
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Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
'BusterTBronco said:
I recorded the game and just watched it again. Wilkerson could have been running as if his life depended on it, and he still had NO prayer of coming near Tebow. I'm the first one to call players out for dogging it, but you're singling out the wrong guy here.EDIT: Wait a second. Is it possible you are referring to #97 near the goal line? He DID quit on the play.
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Sudoku_in_the_Bathtub
Footballguy
The Power of Prayer
Ignoramus
Footballguy
Guy's pushing 320. He's not chasing down anyone.
WisWolvrns
Footballguy
ham... would mean... Cam, as in Cam Newton... great passing stats, but not getting the wins...
flapgreen
Footballguy
I see what you did there.'BusterTBronco said:
EDIT: Wait a second. Is it possible you are referring to #97 near the goal line? He DID quit on the play.
Apple Jack
Footballguy
17 pts from the Broncos D/ST. Heh.
Ignoramus
Footballguy
Not so sure about 97, either. He was lined up on the opposite side of the field and started off rushing. Once Tebow took it outside, 97 did take a bad angle, but it's tough to put the blame on him.'BusterTBronco said:
Manster
Footballguy
This.Oh, and dirty sanchez is not very good. he tries to force-feed it to Plax on dam near every pass and it bit him.
He runs the scout team in practice. He got to emulate Sanchez this week. Pick 6, he's a natural.
PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
John Fox's expression after the TD was priceless. It was like "I can't believe we're going to win this way again". Pretty sure he's a believer by now.
thatguy
Footballguy
Von Miller is one of the most dominant rookie defensive players I've seen in a long time... Aside from maybe Suh, I can't think of another rookie defender in recent history who has been this dominant. He looks like a man among boys at times, and that is exactly what people were saying about Suh last season. Barring injury, he has to be a lock for DROY. Ryan Kerrigan has been very good for the Skins, but he is not on the same level as Miller.
an unfathomably poor call on d there. you can get a sack anyway. their td equity is miniscule if you play normal d. if they get the first they are running it into the line twice anyway. not leaving a stalker on tebow is almost like asking for defeat. ima believer tho. never doubted tebow would salvage an acceptable fantasy day.I believe that was the Red Sea defense that the Jets implemented there.-QG
glumpy
breeze
KFFL picked them as a sleeper. Just saw it (don't have them anyway but good call~)Real interesting quote from them (via RTSports) which I just read from John Fox:
This was before the game. Of course--then they added the following analysis:
Wonder if they thought that would be the Jets?!!
Sure do love his game but probably going to drop him if Palmer shows well again this week--Tebow's averaging 10 fewer fantasy points than last year.
thatguy
Footballguy
Well, to be fair, the Jets pretty much did stop it... for 55 minutes anyway. Denver did next to nothing offensively (3 offensive points) prior to their final drive. Tebow had just 11 yards rushing prior to the fourth quarter.KFFL picked them as a sleeper. Just saw it (don't have them anyway but good call~)Real interesting quote from them (via RTSports) which I just read from John Fox:
This was before the game. Of course--then they added the following analysis:Wonder if they thought that would be the Jets?!!
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glumpy
breeze
Good point. Reminds me of NC State's 'Cardiac Kids'Well, to be fair, the Jets pretty much did stop it... for 55 minutes anyway. Denver did next to nothing offensively (3 offensive points) prior to their final drive. Tebow had just 11 yards rushing prior to the fourth quarter.KFFL picked them as a sleeper. Just saw it (don't have them anyway but good call~)Real interesting quote from them (via RTSports) which I just read from John Fox:
This was before the game. Of course--then they added the following analysis:Wonder if they thought that would be the Jets?!!
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
Not sure if this is funny or sad. I'm not sure I've ever seen anyone try so hard to get credit for a post like this lolOne hell of a call.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Saw that.After a moment to reflect he looked less than thrilled. The Denver management is riding a tiger right now. You just know they had plans for drafting a prototype QB to build around next year. Now what?
Black Box
Footballguy
DoubleG
Footballguy
This.Lowest INT% of all starting NFL QBs (.8%)Only 1 fumble despite having the 3rd most carries by a QB. Top 3 in starting QBs in TD% (7 in 125 attempts).Under Orton, the Broncos were -5 in turnover ratio. The only week in the first 5 that the Broncos actually won the turnover battle was the game they pulled Orton (who had already thrown 1 INT) and put in Tebow.Since then, the Broncos have lost the turnover battle only once - non consequentially, the only loss for Tebow as a starter (they were -3 in that game). Despite the one awful game, they are +1 overall since Tebow took over as starter.While everyone wants to talk about a lot of other issues, protecting the ball in the NFL is huge - and Tebow does it with flying colors.check the turnovers. the one that sticks in my craw is when Orton flat out dropped the ball - unforced fumble. That was ballgame right there.Say what you want about Tebow and his throwing prowess (or lack thereof), but the dude takes care of the ball.Let's compare some stats between tonight, and the week 1 loss to Oakland under Orton, that will supply an answer to your questionenver Time of possession:* Today: 27:48* Week 1: 27:25Denver 3rd conversions:* Today: 3 of 13, 23%* Week 1: 6 of 13, 46%Denver 1st downs* Today: 11* Week 1: 25Scoring drives by offense:* Today: 1 touchdown (Defense 1 TD and 1 FG)* Week 1: 1 touchdown, 1 FG. (Special teams 1 TD, defense 1 FG)So under Tebow time of possession is almost identical. Converted 3rd downs half as often. Gained less than half as many 1st downs.
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