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Game Thread W9 - New England V Indianapolis (1 Viewer)

I don't think human is a fair word. These teams are both loaded top to bottom with talent, the Patriots just slightly moreso than the Colts. When you have those kind of teams banging heads, they will make each other look bad from time to time.

Against any other team the Colts or Pats will make the adversary look foolish.

 
Just got home from the game. Very competitive game and the better team won tonight. I think Dungy was too conservative from the get go with the FGs. To me, that tells your players you playing not to lose instead of to win.

Congrats Pats fans and good luck going 16-0. Seriously.

 
The Pats were definitely exposed as a mortal team today.
I don't know that I would call this being "exposed". I mean entering the game, the Colts were having a historically great season as well, just not to the extent that the Pats were. Even the greatest team of all-time couldn't be expected to rout the Colts on the road like many predicted.
And that's why the second sentence in that quote that you left out said that I don't know if anyone can do anything with this info. Meaning that the Pats are still too good to beat by almost anyone else.
I'm not following this so well but regardless, I think we saw two clearly superior teams banging heads like we expected. I'm not so sure each team didn't have their moments where they thought it was harder than normal to complete a simple task.

Pats are human, so are the Colts. Nothing was exposed, what we learned is was what we all know already, the best team wins. I don't mean that knocking the Colts down and all... I mean it's just been so darn obvious the other weeks, it was actually different to not know who'd win for a change. It's been a while since Pats and Colts fans saw a game minus Cowboys or Titans. Both are a little spoiled I think. Colts and Pats will go back to easy wins soon enough.
That's all I said. The Colts already had their near miss, the Pats hadn't. They got it today. You can see now that they are beatable, and no team has shown that yet. Thus 'exposed'.
 
The Pats were definitely exposed as a mortal team today.
I don't know that I would call this being "exposed". I mean entering the game, the Colts were having a historically great season as well, just not to the extent that the Pats were. Even the greatest team of all-time couldn't be expected to rout the Colts on the road like many predicted.
And that's why the second sentence in that quote that you left out said that I don't know if anyone can do anything with this info. Meaning that the Pats are still too good to beat by almost anyone else.
I'm not following this so well but regardless, I think we saw two clearly superior teams banging heads like we expected. I'm not so sure each team didn't have their moments where they thought it was harder than normal to complete a simple task.

Pats are human, so are the Colts. Nothing was exposed, what we learned is was what we all know already, the best team wins. I don't mean that knocking the Colts down and all... I mean it's just been so darn obvious the other weeks, it was actually different to not know who'd win for a change. It's been a while since Pats and Colts fans saw a game minus Cowboys or Titans. Both are a little spoiled I think. Colts and Pats will go back to easy wins soon enough.
That's all I said. The Colts already had their near miss, the Pats hadn't. They got it today. You can see now that they are beatable, and no team has shown that yet. Thus 'exposed'.
Every team is beatable.
 
good game by the pats. They are clearly the better team at special teams which was the whole difference in the game. Starting midfield every drive compared to starting around the 20 along with a missed field goal is the difference. We knew this coming in and the offense had to make up for it but didn't. oh yea im also glad the pats game plan was so bad to start with, it is nice of them along with every other team in the nfl to have a poor game plan when they play the colts. I dont know what the colts would do if a team actually came in with a good game plan.
Welker was terrific today on returns. Alot of Pats fans had hoped somehow someway he'd replace the dear, to them, Troy Brown. I think he has or is well on his way and that's no small accomplishment. That trade looks better and better each week. Re gameplan, I took that as initial game plan win for Dungy, halftime adjustment win for BB
It dont matter, the Colts and all their big ##### fans can kiss my ###, #### you stooges and the Brady haters.Whats that the sound, is that crow from the Choking San Diego fans and the wimpy Steel girls, come on you guys are chumps, chumps. Love it man, love it.
This post right here pretty much sums up every other football fans problem with Patriot fans. There are a some objective and knowledgeable Pats fans here, but this team has more bandwagon/######## fans across America than any other team in sports.
 
The Pats were definitely exposed as a mortal team today.
I don't know that I would call this being "exposed". I mean entering the game, the Colts were having a historically great season as well, just not to the extent that the Pats were. Even the greatest team of all-time couldn't be expected to rout the Colts on the road like many predicted.
And that's why the second sentence in that quote that you left out said that I don't know if anyone can do anything with this info. Meaning that the Pats are still too good to beat by almost anyone else.
I'm not following this so well but regardless, I think we saw two clearly superior teams banging heads like we expected. I'm not so sure each team didn't have their moments where they thought it was harder than normal to complete a simple task.

Pats are human, so are the Colts. Nothing was exposed, what we learned is was what we all know already, the best team wins. I don't mean that knocking the Colts down and all... I mean it's just been so darn obvious the other weeks, it was actually different to not know who'd win for a change. It's been a while since Pats and Colts fans saw a game minus Cowboys or Titans. Both are a little spoiled I think. Colts and Pats will go back to easy wins soon enough.
That's all I said. The Colts already had their near miss, the Pats hadn't. They got it today. You can see now that they are beatable, and no team has shown that yet. Thus 'exposed'.
Every team is beatable.
Absolutly but before today no team has come close to showing that the Pats are beatable.
 
Does anyone else think the Colts defense lost their aggressiveness once they took a 20-10 lead? It is almost like they though, okay, we picked Brady off for a second time and now lead by 10, so we can just play soft until the end and win the game. Yes, the Patriots offense kicked it up a notch on those last two TD drives, but the Colts defense just didn't seem as aggressive.

 
The Pats were definitely exposed as a mortal team today.
I don't know that I would call this being "exposed". I mean entering the game, the Colts were having a historically great season as well, just not to the extent that the Pats were. Even the greatest team of all-time couldn't be expected to rout the Colts on the road like many predicted.
And that's why the second sentence in that quote that you left out said that I don't know if anyone can do anything with this info. Meaning that the Pats are still too good to beat by almost anyone else.
I'm not following this so well but regardless, I think we saw two clearly superior teams banging heads like we expected. I'm not so sure each team didn't have their moments where they thought it was harder than normal to complete a simple task.

Pats are human, so are the Colts. Nothing was exposed, what we learned is was what we all know already, the best team wins. I don't mean that knocking the Colts down and all... I mean it's just been so darn obvious the other weeks, it was actually different to not know who'd win for a change. It's been a while since Pats and Colts fans saw a game minus Cowboys or Titans. Both are a little spoiled I think. Colts and Pats will go back to easy wins soon enough.
That's all I said. The Colts already had their near miss, the Pats hadn't. They got it today. You can see now that they are beatable, and no team has shown that yet. Thus 'exposed'.
That's what I meant by being spoiled. Somewhere the "any given sunday" rule was forgotten. Might just be sematics, think so, but exposed for me is showing a weakness and I don't think the Pats and Colts did too much today at all. Did you notice a weakness?
 
The Pats were definitely exposed as a mortal team today.
I don't know that I would call this being "exposed". I mean entering the game, the Colts were having a historically great season as well, just not to the extent that the Pats were. Even the greatest team of all-time couldn't be expected to rout the Colts on the road like many predicted.
And that's why the second sentence in that quote that you left out said that I don't know if anyone can do anything with this info. Meaning that the Pats are still too good to beat by almost anyone else.
I'm not following this so well but regardless, I think we saw two clearly superior teams banging heads like we expected. I'm not so sure each team didn't have their moments where they thought it was harder than normal to complete a simple task.

Pats are human, so are the Colts. Nothing was exposed, what we learned is was what we all know already, the best team wins. I don't mean that knocking the Colts down and all... I mean it's just been so darn obvious the other weeks, it was actually different to not know who'd win for a change. It's been a while since Pats and Colts fans saw a game minus Cowboys or Titans. Both are a little spoiled I think. Colts and Pats will go back to easy wins soon enough.
That's all I said. The Colts already had their near miss, the Pats hadn't. They got it today. You can see now that they are beatable, and no team has shown that yet. Thus 'exposed'.
That's what I meant by being spoiled. Somewhere the "any given sunday" rule was forgotten. Might just be sematics, think so, but exposed for me is showing a weakness and I don't think the Pats and Colts did too much today at all. Did you notice a weakness?
Don't know if it can truly be called a weakness, but clearly getting pressure on Brady consistently is the best way to contain the Pats and if you do they get a little upset and that can throw them off even more. Couple of personal fouls, a very frustrated Brady could be a weakness if an opponent can keep up the pressure.
 
Does anyone else think the Colts defense lost their aggressiveness once they took a 20-10 lead? It is almost like they though, okay, we picked Brady off for a second time and now lead by 10, so we can just play soft until the end and win the game. Yes, the Patriots offense kicked it up a notch on those last two TD drives, but the Colts defense just didn't seem as aggressive.
I'd like to look back at the gamelog and verify but I thought the Pats shifted to passing a ton in the 4th and not running much at all. The 2 or 3 banged up DBs probably(as happens in the NFL) seemed like an invitation to keep throwing too. Also, the usually good Ts finally stepped up in the 4th. They may not be that super normally but they sure aren't as bad normally as they played in the first 3 Qs.
 
The Pats were definitely exposed as a mortal team today.
I don't know that I would call this being "exposed". I mean entering the game, the Colts were having a historically great season as well, just not to the extent that the Pats were. Even the greatest team of all-time couldn't be expected to rout the Colts on the road like many predicted.
And that's why the second sentence in that quote that you left out said that I don't know if anyone can do anything with this info. Meaning that the Pats are still too good to beat by almost anyone else.
I'm not following this so well but regardless, I think we saw two clearly superior teams banging heads like we expected. I'm not so sure each team didn't have their moments where they thought it was harder than normal to complete a simple task.

Pats are human, so are the Colts. Nothing was exposed, what we learned is was what we all know already, the best team wins. I don't mean that knocking the Colts down and all... I mean it's just been so darn obvious the other weeks, it was actually different to not know who'd win for a change. It's been a while since Pats and Colts fans saw a game minus Cowboys or Titans. Both are a little spoiled I think. Colts and Pats will go back to easy wins soon enough.
That's all I said. The Colts already had their near miss, the Pats hadn't. They got it today. You can see now that they are beatable, and no team has shown that yet. Thus 'exposed'.
Every team is beatable.
Absolutly but before today no team has come close to showing that the Pats are beatable.
True enough, but how many teams are there that can do that other than the Colts?
 
Does anyone else think the Colts defense lost their aggressiveness once they took a 20-10 lead? It is almost like they though, okay, we picked Brady off for a second time and now lead by 10, so we can just play soft until the end and win the game. Yes, the Patriots offense kicked it up a notch on those last two TD drives, but the Colts defense just didn't seem as aggressive.
In the end, it just turned out to be a couple of big plays here and there. They played as near to perfect on D the whole game, but the Pats never stopped throwing to Moss, including the 55yd bomb. And the deep out to Stallworth. NE challenged the deep protection of the Colts, and eventually they were made the plays. But short of the absolutely HIDEOUS penalties called against NE which were killing them, the Colts were missing Harrison more than anything. Wayne dropped a couple of balls tonight that will cause some sleepless nights for atleast a week. But I thought the Colts D maintained what they were doing for the most part. Two of their Dbacks got banged up down the home stretch, and that didnt help. This was an intense game. I have no doubt every player on that field left it all on the field, and came away exhausted.
 
The Pats were definitely exposed as a mortal team today.
I don't know that I would call this being "exposed". I mean entering the game, the Colts were having a historically great season as well, just not to the extent that the Pats were. Even the greatest team of all-time couldn't be expected to rout the Colts on the road like many predicted.
And that's why the second sentence in that quote that you left out said that I don't know if anyone can do anything with this info. Meaning that the Pats are still too good to beat by almost anyone else.
I'm not following this so well but regardless, I think we saw two clearly superior teams banging heads like we expected. I'm not so sure each team didn't have their moments where they thought it was harder than normal to complete a simple task.

Pats are human, so are the Colts. Nothing was exposed, what we learned is was what we all know already, the best team wins. I don't mean that knocking the Colts down and all... I mean it's just been so darn obvious the other weeks, it was actually different to not know who'd win for a change. It's been a while since Pats and Colts fans saw a game minus Cowboys or Titans. Both are a little spoiled I think. Colts and Pats will go back to easy wins soon enough.
That's all I said. The Colts already had their near miss, the Pats hadn't. They got it today. You can see now that they are beatable, and no team has shown that yet. Thus 'exposed'.
Every team is beatable.
Absolutly but before today no team has come close to showing that the Pats are beatable.
True enough, but how many teams are there that can do that other than the Colts?
Maybe the Steelers, and that's only if they can pressure all day long. The Colts and Pats are so far above every other team it's not even funny.
 
I thought Freeney and Mathis brought their A game tonight, and were the diffrence in the first half. The Colts front line in general played some great ball. And Dungy used 5 and 6 Dbacks most of the game and still held the run in check. They were unreal. But my only concern wth the Colts D is their size. Theyre extremely fast. And theyre incredible on the turf in the dome. But as the season wears on, and they go on the road against physical teams, and match up with San Diego, Pitt, TN and Jacksonville, they may eventually wear down. They have an incredibly tough schedule.

 
At some point with New England, you just start breaking down their schedule and the individual opponents. Teams that have a chance need balance on both O and D. That list is short now, and it includes only Pittsburgh and the NYGiants. Baltimore? Nope. Buffalo, Miami and the Jets? Nope. Pitt is a home game for the Pats, and theyre a threat, but I dont see it happening. New England will be coming off a recent bye and rolling. The Giants are the league's last hope to beat them during the regular season because they get after the passer without sacrificing coverage, and can still score points.

 
At some point with New England, you just start breaking down their schedule and the individual opponents. Teams that have a chance need balance on both O and D. That list is short now, and it includes only Pittsburgh and the NYGiants. Baltimore? Nope. Buffalo, Miami and the Jets? Nope. Pitt is a home game for the Pats, and theyre a threat, but I dont see it happening. New England will be coming off a recent bye and rolling. The Giants are the league's last hope to beat them during the regular season because they get after the passer without sacrificing coverage, and can still score points.
The only way the Giants will beat the Pats is if the Pats decide to sit all their starters. The Giants will be ending their annual second half meltdown when they get the Patriots.
 
good game by the pats. They are clearly the better team at special teams which was the whole difference in the game. Starting midfield every drive compared to starting around the 20 along with a missed field goal is the difference. We knew this coming in and the offense had to make up for it but didn't. oh yea im also glad the pats game plan was so bad to start with, it is nice of them along with every other team in the nfl to have a poor game plan when they play the colts. I dont know what the colts would do if a team actually came in with a good game plan.
Welker was terrific today on returns. Alot of Pats fans had hoped somehow someway he'd replace the dear, to them, Troy Brown. I think he has or is well on his way and that's no small accomplishment. That trade looks better and better each week. Re gameplan, I took that as initial game plan win for Dungy, halftime adjustment win for BB
It dont matter, the Colts and all their big ##### fans can kiss my ###, #### you stooges and the Brady haters.Whats that the sound, is that crow from the Choking San Diego fans and the wimpy Steel girls, come on you guys are chumps, chumps. Love it man, love it.
This post right here pretty much sums up every other football fans problem with Patriot fans. There are a some objective and knowledgeable Pats fans here, but this team has more bandwagon/######## fans across America than any other team in sports.
Please, for 15 pages Pats fans have been solid citzens. Don't paint us all with such a broad brush when 1 tool pipes up.
 
good game by the pats. They are clearly the better team at special teams which was the whole difference in the game. Starting midfield every drive compared to starting around the 20 along with a missed field goal is the difference. We knew this coming in and the offense had to make up for it but didn't. oh yea im also glad the pats game plan was so bad to start with, it is nice of them along with every other team in the nfl to have a poor game plan when they play the colts. I dont know what the colts would do if a team actually came in with a good game plan.
Welker was terrific today on returns. Alot of Pats fans had hoped somehow someway he'd replace the dear, to them, Troy Brown. I think he has or is well on his way and that's no small accomplishment. That trade looks better and better each week. Re gameplan, I took that as initial game plan win for Dungy, halftime adjustment win for BB
It dont matter, the Colts and all their big ##### fans can kiss my ###, #### you stooges and the Brady haters.Whats that the sound, is that crow from the Choking San Diego fans and the wimpy Steel girls, come on you guys are chumps, chumps. Love it man, love it.
This post right here pretty much sums up every other football fans problem with Patriot fans. There are a some objective and knowledgeable Pats fans here, but this team has more bandwagon/######## fans across America than any other team in sports.
Please, for 15 pages Pats fans have been solid citzens. Don't paint us all with such a broad brush when 1 tool pipes up.
I have been very impressed with the Pats fans in this thread. It's just an example of the few ruining it for the many, and why so many people have such a passionate hatred for the Patriots.
 
I think this game is an example of, its not how you start a game but how you end it. Just like the AFC Championship game, the team with the better second half won the game, even if the other team outplayed the winner in the first half.

That penetration by the Patriots D-line at the end was fantastic.

 
The biggest takeaway from this game is that the Colts, and specifically their D, are absolutely for real. I've seen all the Pats games, and it was clear that there was little any of the previous 8 teams could have done to stop them. I openly questioned the Colt's Passing D rating, noting some of the offenses they've played. However, I hadn't seen a Colt's game from end to end since the AFC Championship last year.

What I saw today is an incredibly fast, aggressive D that can bring pressure with its front 4. They're smart and disciplined and tackle well. They match up with the Pats well.

Great game. I look forward to January.

 
The biggest takeaway from this game is that the Colts, and specifically their D, are absolutely for real. I've seen all the Pats games, and it was clear that there was little any of the previous 8 teams could have done to stop them. I openly questioned the Colt's Passing D rating, noting some of the offenses they've played. However, I hadn't seen a Colt's game from end to end since the AFC Championship last year. What I saw today is an incredibly fast, aggressive D that can bring pressure with its front 4. They're smart and disciplined and tackle well. They match up with the Pats well. Great game. I look forward to January.
The pass rush is absolutely fantastic. Those cornerbacks knew this and had an easy time setting up for the pass.That second INT was just dumb though, I can't believe he made that catch x.x
 
One thing that struck me is the Pats defense was much better rested at the end than the Colts D. Some of that may be conditioning, some may be more rotation, who knows. But the Pats D was able to push hard in the fourth quarter and Mathis/Freeney seemed gassed by partway through the third. That was, imo, a huge part of what changed late, along with the Pats using more shotgun.

Colts will have more receiving depth if they meet again; they also likely won't have a 130 yard penalty advantage. I'll be curious to see what else changes if they meet again, it seemed like a tremendous amount of chessplaying going on between the two teams scheme-wise and that no doubt would continue if they meet again.

 
Most of the Pats fans, both in this thread and in the week leading up to this game, have been thorough gentlemen, thoughtful and classy. I have revised my viewpoint about them. I still don't like the coach and my criticisms of the team remain, but I can't extend that to the fans.

 
Most of the Pats fans, both in this thread and in the week leading up to this game, have been thorough gentlemen, thoughtful and classy. I have revised my viewpoint about them. I still don't like the coach and my criticisms of the team remain, but I can't extend that to the fans.
I'm not sure why it matters. The fans are nobody. They didn't contribute to the win, they don't share in the revenue and they have nothing to do with the team, save paying for the privilege of being near them or wearing their logo. Why should it matter if they're gentlemen, thoughtful or classy? They have nothing to do with the team's success. I'm sure youir criticisms of the coach and team are valid, as are the obvious compliments they deserve. But the fans are irrelevant when discussing the team itself or its performance. That goes for any team, of course. I don't expect them to be classy, because they don't matter one way or the other. I think fans are a lot like the announcers: Not nearly as important or relevant as they think they are.
 
Chiming in late, sorry to post on topic.

I enjoyed the game especially how it wound up Brady leading them to game winning score, then Manning had a chance to do so. Couldn't have asked for more at the end.

BB often gives up one thing and takes away a bunch. I was wonderring how much of Addai's success was part of his plan and how much was Addai's tremendous ability. It'd be almost funny if that's how you slow the Colts down. That couldn't have been it, could it?

I felt like the refs were pretty nitpicky today. I prefer the let em' play type refs.

I was so sure Sanders was gonna take that Welker TD the other way. Two weeks in a row Brady throws that....I'm not so sure if the next time the DB doesn't jump on it.

Pats Ts stunk today or Colts DEs were awesome. They're usually good so I figure credit's due to the Colts DEs.

Awesome fingertip grab by Brackett. Uncanny how Rodney can read Manning and it seems no one else in the league can. What'd they show 4-5 key INTs by him on Manning?

I think Seymour got pushed around a bit more than I can ever recall seeing.

I love Dungy but putting 5-8 defender on Moss was just dopey
:sadbanana:
 
Hey Colts, thanks for nothing. You were the one team that had a chance to derail this Patriots juggernaut. No more speedbumps for New England on their way to a perfect season.

Congratulations to Brady and Co.

A big "FU" to Dungy for treating this like "any other game". That was home field advantage you just kissed away bro.

 
Pat Patriot said:
snogger said:
:2cents: rematch will be good, as long as the Colts find some WR's.. :yucky: without Harrison.
I'll have to rewatch but were there that many drops by Colts WR's? Manning certainly wasnt other worldly like in the AFC championship game. The Pats with their great receivers had a few drops today as well (mainly Moss).
Wayne Dropped one that may have gone for a TD.. If not a TD a 40+ yard gain.Harrison's fill-in dropped one on 3rd down that would have been good for a 1st. :shrug: : of others.I know Harrison doesn't have eye popping numbers vs. pats.. but he pulls the defense toward him. Yesterday the defense could target Clark & Wayne and not really worry about the other junk running around out there.IMO, The Colts blew this game when they settled for a missed FG and a FG on their first two drives.
 
A big "FU" to Dungy for treating this like "any other game". That was home field advantage you just kissed away bro.
Pfft. Dungy game-planned and coached a helluva game. In fact, I dare say he outcoached Belicheat in this one. But the injuries they had and the Patriots overwhelming array of talent on offense were ultimately too much to overcome.
 
And if I had a girlfriend hot enough for Brady to sleep with I'd be doing all right.
Better hope you delete your History, Cookies and Temporary Internet Files before settling down on the couch. Lord help you if your GF stumbles across that statement.
 
IMO, The Colts blew this game when they settled for a missed FG and a FG on their first two drives.
Maybe, but if the Colts score more in the first quarter, and the rest of the half plays out about the same, the Colts likely do not score that long Addai TD, as they likely would have killed the clock at that point, what with already having a lead and such. In other words, they wouldn't have been throwing the ball there.
 
At some point with New England, you just start breaking down their schedule and the individual opponents. Teams that have a chance need balance on both O and D. That list is short now, and it includes only Pittsburgh and the NYGiants. Baltimore? Nope. Buffalo, Miami and the Jets? Nope. Pitt is a home game for the Pats, and theyre a threat, but I dont see it happening. New England will be coming off a recent bye and rolling. The Giants are the league's last hope to beat them during the regular season because they get after the passer without sacrificing coverage, and can still score points.
I'd almost be willing to bet that NE will lose to a team it's "supposed to beat" rather than getting knocked off by the Steelers or Giants. In particular, Baltimore on MNF and Buffalo, which is massively under-rated.
 
My thoughts on the game.

Before the game. I thought this Pats team probably was the strongest team of all time. They were an already very good team and then added 2 All Pros in Moss and Thomas, and added 2 other very good contributors at WR2 and 3. I thought if this year's Pats team played this year's Colts team (at full strength), the Pats win 7 out of 10 and look like the better team in the other 3 but the breaks go against them.

After the game. Throughout the course of the game the Pats didn't really look much better than the Colts. This despite the Pats being at full strength now while the Colts were missing several key players and lost another WR during the game. I didn't think either team played bad, nor did either team play out of their head. I thought we saw a true representation of how good these teams are, and for the Pats it wasn't the kind of head and shoulders level that I would expect for a team to replace the 85 Bears.

I can't write it off to the bounce of the ball. Both teams had sick athletic plays that had no business being done go their way (Colts interception, Moss's one hand grab). Pats were the victim of a couple of bad calls (i.e. pass interference) and the beneficiary of a couple of no calls on key plays (i.e. blatant hold that sprung Brady for his 20 yard 3rd down run). Overall I thought the Pats had more up and down swings from poor calls, but I thought their effect on the game balanced out.

I think the Pats are a slightly better team than the Colts, but barring something unusual they are out of the running to replace the 1985 Bears as greatest team of all time. They can still be 1a to the 1972 Dolphins 1b as most SUCCESSFUL team of all time, but not GREATEST. But when they don't show themselves to be much better than the other top team in their league that year, I just don't see them replacing the Bears... who did lose a game but there wasn't a single team in that league you thought was close to on par with them in overall team strength. I think a Colts team with Harrison and the other injured players back give the Pats a run for their money most every time they play.

 
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