Gay marriage (1 Viewer)

[Cjw_55106]

I posted this in 2012 on another site. Still works for me:

Yeah, I know we have a specific political thread, but whatever. This year, Mn has 2 issues on the ballot, both of which the Democrats oppose. They are an amendment to the constitution that effectively bans gay marriage and a requirement that you have to provide ID in order to vote.

The second issue is a no brainier to me. Trying to sell this as disenfranchising voters is BS. You want to vote, prove that you are who you say you are...pretty cut and dry to me.

The gay marriage issue is a bit more complex. I read yesterday that the Catholic church has spend $1.2M on opposing gay marriage. Now, admittedly, I don't give 10% of my income to the church as the bible mentions (although, I don't think that's what it says exactly, but I digress). I do however, pay about 11K a year total for my 3 kids to attend a Catholic school (this is after about $2200 in financial aid). For the record, this 11K is very hard for my family to come by. As a result, I drive a POS 1997 Chrysler Concorde that was given to me. Luckily, my dad also gave us a 2005 Expedition, which is very nice and we are blessed that he was able to do that. On top of that, we really need new floors in our living room and a new shower that we can't afford. I fully understand that these are choices my wife and I made and I feel that the education the kids are getting is better than it would be at my local public school. Quite frankly, the private school doesn't have to put up with the BS that little Billy brings to class, so the disruptions are minimal at best. On top of that, all 3 of our kids have less than 20 students, which is awesome. I just provided this to give a background on my affiliation with the church.Onto the gay issue. If I am being fully honest, the thought of homosexuals sickens me. One will never convince me that this is natural and OK. In reality, I wish they didn't exist. It irritates me when people go out of their way to let everyone know they are gay. I'll never understand how, as a man you talk one way today, then tomorrow when you come out of the closet, your voice changes and everything is whimsical. Stereotype? Maybe, but we've all seen it.

Anyways, back to the issue. I find it appalling that "Christians" would not only spend $1.2M (although, in reality, it isn't up to them how the church spends the money, but I understand they don’t have to donate it) but go out of their way to exclude a group. I don't think Jesus would care to much for these kinds of actions. Furthermore, if living in sin is to be dealt with, I'll personally let God deal with it. While I am indeed "my brother's keeper", I am not, "my brother's authority". Christians have a very visible pattern of picking and choosing what is wrong in the eyes of God. Is homosexuality a sin? Of course it is. Just as living with your girlfriend or having sex before being married is. Who are we, as mere mortals, to judge which sin is worse? When God lines up my sins on judgment day, he will no doubt have a long list. That list however, will not include treating another human being as a second class citizen. It may be against what my church believes, but I don’t think it goes against what my God believes. As the debate rages in my head, my God beats my church, each and every time.

You posted this two years ago and still feel the same way?

apparently.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Why is it that gay people can get a civil union, but us straight folk can't?!

When California had domestic partnerships, straight people could become domestic partners.

What state has civil unions only for gays?

 

[TheIronSheik]

Why is it that gay people can get a civil union, but us straight folk can't?!

When California had domestic partnerships, straight people could become domestic partners.

What state has civil unions only for gays?

I don't know. I wasn't expecting anyone to pick apart my little attempt at humor that much.

 

[The Commish]

Pretty simple...you call it two different things (marriage and gay marriage) there's room for them to be two different things. I'm pretty sure that's what the whole California fiasco was over, but I could be wrong.

This is just a case of crossed wires- you didn't phrase your previous post clearly, it made it sound like you thought gays were only concerned with the rights and the rights alone, and thus not the name. That's obviously not true as your subsequent posts reveal.

It's not what I think...it's what they tell me. I obviously know it's important to some. There's one couple out of the folks I know that has a position slightly different than the others, which I didn't do a good job at explaining That difference is, if they insist on calling it anything it should be "marriage" with no other qualification because calling it two different things allows for them to be potentially treated differently over time. As an example, this particular couple doesn't like the fact that there is a different category for them on their health insurance outside of "spouse". Should the federal government label them differently for tax purposes, they'd not approve of that either. The other couples don't really "care" as long as the rights stay the same across labels nor are they insistent on the label being "married" or "marriage". Hopefully that's more clear...sorry for the confusion.

Yeah that clears it up. Basically, the position your friends take in the bolded is highly unusual in my experience and I think in pretty much everyone else's experience too. Most everyone insist that that name is also important, and for good reason. We don't exactly have a strong track record when it comes to "separate but equal" treatment under law in this country.

I've actually asked them why that isn't a concern. I certainly don't trust the gov't to do the right thing. The common belief I've seen is that it needs to be called the same thing, but they aren't hung up on what it's called. And personally, I agree with them. It doesn't matter what it's called to me. If the gov't wants to call my relationship with my wife a "civil union" go for it. Don't care just as long as everyone's relationship like mine is called the same thing.

 

[TheIronSheik]

Why is it that gay people can get a civil union, but us straight folk can't?!

When California had domestic partnerships, straight people could become domestic partners.

What state has civil unions only for gays?

I don't know. I wasn't expecting anyone to pick apart my little attempt at humor that much.

Although, now I'm more confused. What's the difference between becoming domestic partners and marriage?

 

[NCCommish]

I posted this in 2012 on another site. Still works for me:

Yeah, I know we have a specific political thread, but whatever. This year, Mn has 2 issues on the ballot, both of which the Democrats oppose. They are an amendment to the constitution that effectively bans gay marriage and a requirement that you have to provide ID in order to vote.

The second issue is a no brainier to me. Trying to sell this as disenfranchising voters is BS. You want to vote, prove that you are who you say you are...pretty cut and dry to me.

The gay marriage issue is a bit more complex. I read yesterday that the Catholic church has spend $1.2M on opposing gay marriage. Now, admittedly, I don't give 10% of my income to the church as the bible mentions (although, I don't think that's what it says exactly, but I digress). I do however, pay about 11K a year total for my 3 kids to attend a Catholic school (this is after about $2200 in financial aid). For the record, this 11K is very hard for my family to come by. As a result, I drive a POS 1997 Chrysler Concorde that was given to me. Luckily, my dad also gave us a 2005 Expedition, which is very nice and we are blessed that he was able to do that. On top of that, we really need new floors in our living room and a new shower that we can't afford. I fully understand that these are choices my wife and I made and I feel that the education the kids are getting is better than it would be at my local public school. Quite frankly, the private school doesn't have to put up with the BS that little Billy brings to class, so the disruptions are minimal at best. On top of that, all 3 of our kids have less than 20 students, which is awesome. I just provided this to give a background on my affiliation with the church.

Onto the gay issue. If I am being fully honest, the thought of homosexuals sickens me. One will never convince me that this is natural and OK. In reality, I wish they didn't exist. It irritates me when people go out of their way to let everyone know they are gay. I'll never understand how, as a man you talk one way today, then tomorrow when you come out of the closet, your voice changes and everything is whimsical. Stereotype? Maybe, but we've all seen it.

Anyways, back to the issue. I find it appalling that "Christians" would not only spend $1.2M (although, in reality, it isn't up to them how the church spends the money, but I understand they don’t have to donate it) but go out of their way to exclude a group. I don't think Jesus would care to much for these kinds of actions. Furthermore, if living in sin is to be dealt with, I'll personally let God deal with it. While I am indeed "my brother's keeper", I am not, "my brother's authority". Christians have a very visible pattern of picking and choosing what is wrong in the eyes of God. Is homosexuality a sin? Of course it is. Just as living with your girlfriend or having sex before being married is. Who are we, as mere mortals, to judge which sin is worse? When God lines up my sins on judgment day, he will no doubt have a long list. That list however, will not include treating another human being as a second class citizen. It may be against what my church believes, but I don’t think it goes against what my God believes. As the debate rages in my head, my God beats my church, each and every time.

Never understand that part. I am sickened by people who choose to hurt others not by who they love IMO. But at the end of the day you end up in the right place so I guess that's all that matters.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Pretty simple...you call it two different things (marriage and gay marriage) there's room for them to be two different things. I'm pretty sure that's what the whole California fiasco was over, but I could be wrong.

This is just a case of crossed wires- you didn't phrase your previous post clearly, it made it sound like you thought gays were only concerned with the rights and the rights alone, and thus not the name. That's obviously not true as your subsequent posts reveal.

It's not what I think...it's what they tell me. I obviously know it's important to some. There's one couple out of the folks I know that has a position slightly different than the others, which I didn't do a good job at explaining That difference is, if they insist on calling it anything it should be "marriage" with no other qualification because calling it two different things allows for them to be potentially treated differently over time. As an example, this particular couple doesn't like the fact that there is a different category for them on their health insurance outside of "spouse". Should the federal government label them differently for tax purposes, they'd not approve of that either. The other couples don't really "care" as long as the rights stay the same across labels nor are they insistent on the label being "married" or "marriage". Hopefully that's more clear...sorry for the confusion.

Yeah that clears it up. Basically, the position your friends take in the bolded is highly unusual in my experience and I think in pretty much everyone else's experience too. Most everyone insist that that name is also important, and for good reason. We don't exactly have a strong track record when it comes to "separate but equal" treatment under law in this country.

I've actually asked them why that isn't a concern. I certainly don't trust the gov't to do the right thing. The common belief I've seen is that it needs to be called the same thing, but they aren't hung up on what it's called. And personally, I agree with them. It doesn't matter what it's called to me. If the gov't wants to call my relationship with my wife a "civil union" go for it. Don't care just as long as everyone's relationship like mine is called the same thing.

See, this is where you confused everyone.

There's a big difference between "it doesn't matter what it's called so long as all marriages are referred to the same way" and "it doesn't matter what a homosexual union is called so long as all government-sanctioned coupling creates the same rights and obligations." It's still not quite clear which of these is your/your friends' position.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Why is it that gay people can get a civil union, but us straight folk can't?!

When California had domestic partnerships, straight people could become domestic partners.

What state has civil unions only for gays?

I don't know. I wasn't expecting anyone to pick apart my little attempt at humor that much.

Although, now I'm more confused. What's the difference between becoming domestic partners and marriage?

The name.

Other than that, the differences are entirely trivial. They are cataloged in footnote 24 here, if you're interested.

 

[The Commish]

Pretty simple...you call it two different things (marriage and gay marriage) there's room for them to be two different things. I'm pretty sure that's what the whole California fiasco was over, but I could be wrong.

This is just a case of crossed wires- you didn't phrase your previous post clearly, it made it sound like you thought gays were only concerned with the rights and the rights alone, and thus not the name. That's obviously not true as your subsequent posts reveal.

It's not what I think...it's what they tell me. I obviously know it's important to some. There's one couple out of the folks I know that has a position slightly different than the others, which I didn't do a good job at explaining That difference is, if they insist on calling it anything it should be "marriage" with no other qualification because calling it two different things allows for them to be potentially treated differently over time. As an example, this particular couple doesn't like the fact that there is a different category for them on their health insurance outside of "spouse". Should the federal government label them differently for tax purposes, they'd not approve of that either. The other couples don't really "care" as long as the rights stay the same across labels nor are they insistent on the label being "married" or "marriage". Hopefully that's more clear...sorry for the confusion.

Yeah that clears it up. Basically, the position your friends take in the bolded is highly unusual in my experience and I think in pretty much everyone else's experience too. Most everyone insist that that name is also important, and for good reason. We don't exactly have a strong track record when it comes to "separate but equal" treatment under law in this country.

I've actually asked them why that isn't a concern. I certainly don't trust the gov't to do the right thing. The common belief I've seen is that it needs to be called the same thing, but they aren't hung up on what it's called. And personally, I agree with them. It doesn't matter what it's called to me. If the gov't wants to call my relationship with my wife a "civil union" go for it. Don't care just as long as everyone's relationship like mine is called the same thing.

See, this is where you confused everyone.

There's a big difference between "it doesn't matter what it's called so long as all marriages are referred to the same way" and "it doesn't matter what a homosexual union is called so long as all government-sanctioned coupling creates the same rights and obligations." It's still not quite clear which of these is your/your friends' position.

I don't think any of them care what it's called as long as everyone's in the same boat. The one couple that's ever mentioned a concern with labeling says it should be "marriage" since that what the gov't calls it today, but the reason is solely because that's what the gov't calls it, not because calling it anything but "marriage" would be considered a slap in the face with respect to what the gov't thinks of their relationship. And FWIW, I've heard heterosexual couples suggest that if the gov't went to a generic term like "union" or "civil union" for legal purposes, they would consider it a slap in the face by the gov't. Lots of messed up people out there.

My personal position is, I couldn't care less what the gov't calls my relationship with my wife as long as we are all treated equally. I will have always married my wife on May 29, 2004.

 

[joffer]

Pennsylvania

 

[Henry Ford]

Pennsylvania

Fantastic.

Should get to Louisiana in only 50-60 years.

 

[roadkill1292]

My wife and I have a fairly uncivil union.

 

[beavers]

Is it time to stop calling it gay marriage? It's marriage

 

[fatness]

I posted this in 2012 on another site. Still works for me:

Yeah, I know we have a specific political thread, but whatever. This year, Mn has 2 issues on the ballot, both of which the Democrats oppose. They are an amendment to the constitution that effectively bans gay marriage and a requirement that you have to provide ID in order to vote.

The second issue is a no brainier to me. Trying to sell this as disenfranchising voters is BS. You want to vote, prove that you are who you say you are...pretty cut and dry to me.

The gay marriage issue is a bit more complex. I read yesterday that the Catholic church has spend $1.2M on opposing gay marriage. Now, admittedly, I don't give 10% of my income to the church as the bible mentions (although, I don't think that's what it says exactly, but I digress). I do however, pay about 11K a year total for my 3 kids to attend a Catholic school (this is after about $2200 in financial aid). For the record, this 11K is very hard for my family to come by. As a result, I drive a POS 1997 Chrysler Concorde that was given to me. Luckily, my dad also gave us a 2005 Expedition, which is very nice and we are blessed that he was able to do that. On top of that, we really need new floors in our living room and a new shower that we can't afford. I fully understand that these are choices my wife and I made and I feel that the education the kids are getting is better than it would be at my local public school. Quite frankly, the private school doesn't have to put up with the BS that little Billy brings to class, so the disruptions are minimal at best. On top of that, all 3 of our kids have less than 20 students, which is awesome. I just provided this to give a background on my affiliation with the church.Onto the gay issue. If I am being fully honest, the thought of homosexuals sickens me. One will never convince me that this is natural and OK. In reality, I wish they didn't exist. It irritates me when people go out of their way to let everyone know they are gay. I'll never understand how, as a man you talk one way today, then tomorrow when you come out of the closet, your voice changes and everything is whimsical. Stereotype? Maybe, but we've all seen it.

Anyways, back to the issue. I find it appalling that "Christians" would not only spend $1.2M (although, in reality, it isn't up to them how the church spends the money, but I understand they don’t have to donate it) but go out of their way to exclude a group. I don't think Jesus would care to much for these kinds of actions. Furthermore, if living in sin is to be dealt with, I'll personally let God deal with it. While I am indeed "my brother's keeper", I am not, "my brother's authority". Christians have a very visible pattern of picking and choosing what is wrong in the eyes of God. Is homosexuality a sin? Of course it is. Just as living with your girlfriend or having sex before being married is. Who are we, as mere mortals, to judge which sin is worse? When God lines up my sins on judgment day, he will no doubt have a long list. That list however, will not include treating another human being as a second class citizen. It may be against what my church believes, but I don’t think it goes against what my God believes. As the debate rages in my head, my God beats my church, each and every time.

You posted this two years ago and still feel the same way?

apparently.

And reposted 1 year ago, apparently.

It's a bit difficult to imagine having a raging head for two years. Seems more like lazy copy/pasting.

 

[fatguyinalittlecoat]

Pennsylvania

Fantastic.Should get to Louisiana in only 50-60 years.

I think there's a pretty good chance it'll be nationwide within the next couple years. Supreme Court has to take one of these cases, and I think there's a decent chance Justice Kennedy just goes ahead and does it.

 

[fatness]

Pennsylvania

Judge John Jones III ruled in favor of 23 Pennsylvania residents who challenged the law."The issue we resolve today is a divisive one. Some of our citizens are made deeply uncomfortable by the notion of same-sex marriage. However, that same-sex marriage causes discomfort in some does not make its prohibition constitutional," he said.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/judge-strikes-down-pennsylvania-same-sex-marriage-ban-n110061

 

[Greggity]

Is it time to stop calling it gay marriage? It's marriage

Oh is that the next complaint coming? lol

 

[The Commish]

Is it time to stop calling it gay marriage? It's marriage

speaking of which.....how's the "divorce" coming? Were you able to get anything worked out? I thought I saw in some state (Texas maybe) that while they don't recognize "gay marriage" they would honor the divorce

 

[Greggity]

Is it time to stop calling it gay marriage? It's marriage

speaking of which.....how's the "divorce" coming? Were you able to get anything worked out? I thought I saw in some state (Texas maybe) that while they don't recognize "gay marriage" they would honor the divorce

Can we call it a "gay divorce"?

 

[TheIronSheik]

Is it time to stop calling it gay marriage? It's marriage

That's gay.

 

[The Commish]

Is it time to stop calling it gay marriage? It's marriage

speaking of which.....how's the "divorce" coming? Were you able to get anything worked out? I thought I saw in some state (Texas maybe) that while they don't recognize "gay marriage" they would honor the divorce

Can we call it a "gay divorce"?

call it whatever you want

 

[Greggity]

Is it time to stop calling it gay marriage? It's marriage

speaking of which.....how's the "divorce" coming? Were you able to get anything worked out? I thought I saw in some state (Texas maybe) that while they don't recognize "gay marriage" they would honor the divorce

Can we call it a "gay divorce"?

call it whatever you want

Thank you, i believe i will....

 

[Koya]

Is it time to stop calling it gay marriage? It's marriage

I was thinking the EXACT same thing earlier today.

And, yes.

 

[TheIronSheik]

Is it time to stop calling it gay marriage? It's marriage

I was thinking the EXACT same thing earlier today.

And, yes.

Why does it matter?

 

[Koya]

Is it time to stop calling it gay marriage? It's marriage

Oh is that the next complaint coming? lol

It's not been a complain so much as one simple ask:

Equality.

Not that difficult here folks. And if you are a true American, it should be pretty easy to grasp and should also be something you'd fight for.

 

[Koya]

Is it time to stop calling it gay marriage? It's marriage

I was thinking the EXACT same thing earlier today.

And, yes.

Why does it matter?

Because there is no difference between straight marriage or gay marriage. It's marriage.

 

[TheIronSheik]

Is it time to stop calling it gay marriage? It's marriage

Oh is that the next complaint coming? lol

It's not been a complain so much as one simple ask:

Equality.

Not that difficult here folks. And if you are a true American, it should be pretty easy to grasp and should also be something you'd fight for.

I'm all for gay marriage, but get real on this. Who cares what anyone calls it? That's ridiculous.

 

[Koya]

PS - When the debate has moved in a few decades from how long a jail sentence should be for gay sexual acts to what's the difference between calling it marriage or gay marriage, I'd say that's a nice victory for those who believe in what our nation stands for.

 

[TheIronSheik]

Is it time to stop calling it gay marriage? It's marriage

I was thinking the EXACT same thing earlier today.

And, yes.

Why does it matter?

Because there is no difference between straight marriage or gay marriage. It's marriage.

Gay is the adjective. It's still a marriage.

 

[Henry Ford]

Is it time to stop calling it gay marriage? It's marriage

I was thinking the EXACT same thing earlier today.

And, yes.

Why does it matter?

Because there is no difference between straight marriage or gay marriage. It's marriage.

Gay is the adjective. It's still a marriage.

I'd like to call marriage between straight people "ding-a-ling and hoohah marriage."

 

[TheIronSheik]

Is it time to stop calling it gay marriage? It's marriage

I was thinking the EXACT same thing earlier today.

And, yes.

Why does it matter?

Because there is no difference between straight marriage or gay marriage. It's marriage.

Gay is the adjective. It's still a marriage.

I'd like to call marriage between straight people "ding-a-ling and hoohah marriage."

Go for it.

 

[Henry Ford]

Is it time to stop calling it gay marriage? It's marriage

I was thinking the EXACT same thing earlier today.

And, yes.

Why does it matter?

Because there is no difference between straight marriage or gay marriage. It's marriage.

Gay is the adjective. It's still a marriage.

I'd like to call marriage between straight people "ding-a-ling and hoohah marriage."

Go for it.

Are you and your girlfriend ever going to get ding-a-ling and hoohah married for the sake of the kid?

 

[Henry Ford]

"Honey, make me the luckiest man alive. Ding-a-ling and hoohah marry me."

 

[TheIronSheik]

Is it time to stop calling it gay marriage? It's marriage

I was thinking the EXACT same thing earlier today.

And, yes.

Why does it matter?

Because there is no difference between straight marriage or gay marriage. It's marriage.

Gay is the adjective. It's still a marriage.

I'd like to call marriage between straight people "ding-a-ling and hoohah marriage."

Go for it.

Are you and your girlfriend ever going to get ding-a-ling and hoohah married for the sake of the kid?

Most likely. It'll probably just be a JOTP wedding. Nothing special. I'd much rather spend that money on something better than a wedding. And she's already had a wedding, so she doesn't want another one.

 

[Henry Ford]

Most likely. It'll probably just be a JOTP ding-a-ling and hoohah wedding. Nothing special. I'd much rather spend that money on something better than a ding-a-ling and hoohah wedding. And she's already had a ding-a-ling and hoohah wedding, so she doesn't want another one.

Fixed.

 

[TheIronSheik]

Is it time to stop calling it gay marriage? It's marriage

I was thinking the EXACT same thing earlier today.

And, yes.

Why does it matter?

Because there is no difference between straight marriage or gay marriage. It's marriage.

Actually, regular marriages feature a bride AND a groom.

 

[TheIronSheik]

Most likely. It'll probably just be a JOTP ding-a-ling and hoohah wedding. Nothing special. I'd much rather spend that money on something better than a ding-a-ling and hoohah wedding. And she's already had a ding-a-ling and hoohah wedding, so she doesn't want another one.

Fixed.

Again, I couldn't care less what other people call it.

 

[Henry Ford]

Is it time to stop calling it gay marriage? It's marriage

I was thinking the EXACT same thing earlier today.

And, yes.

Why does it matter?

Because there is no difference between straight marriage or gay marriage. It's marriage.

Actually, ding-a-ling and hoohah marriages feature a bride AND a groom.

Calling it "regular" marriage is insulting.

 

[Greggity]

Is it time to stop calling it gay marriage? It's marriage

I was thinking the EXACT same thing earlier today.

And, yes.

Why does it matter?

Because there is no difference between straight marriage or gay marriage. It's marriage.

Actually, regular marriages feature a bride AND a groom.

Why do they call it "gay parades"? Why not just a parade?

 

[Henry Ford]

Most likely. It'll probably just be a JOTP ding-a-ling and hoohah wedding. Nothing special. I'd much rather spend that money on something better than a ding-a-ling and hoohah wedding. And she's already had a ding-a-ling and hoohah wedding, so she doesn't want another one.

Fixed.

Again, I couldn't care less what other people call it.

Not now. But it's pretty likely that after a couple months of me changing everything you type to "ding-a-ling and hoohah" marriage/wedding/engagement/fiancee/girlfriend/etc. it will drive you bat#### crazy.

 

[Henry Ford]

Is it time to stop calling it gay marriage? It's marriage

I was thinking the EXACT same thing earlier today.

And, yes.

Why does it matter?

Because there is no difference between straight marriage or gay marriage. It's marriage.

Actually, regular marriages feature a bride AND a groom.

Why do they call it "gay parades"? Why not just a parade?

No one calls them "gay parades." They're "Gay Pride" parades.

 

[TheIronSheik]

Most likely. It'll probably just be a JOTP ding-a-ling and hoohah wedding. Nothing special. I'd much rather spend that money on something better than a ding-a-ling and hoohah wedding. And she's already had a ding-a-ling and hoohah wedding, so she doesn't want another one.

Fixed.

Again, I couldn't care less what other people call it.

Not now. But it's pretty likely that after a couple months of me changing everything you type to "ding-a-ling and hoohah" marriage/wedding/engagement/fiancee/girlfriend/etc. it will drive you bat#### crazy.

You don't know me very well, I guess. I'm not sure why you'd think that would drive me crazy?

 

[beavers]

Is it time to stop calling it gay marriage? It's marriage

speaking of which.....how's the "divorce" coming? Were you able to get anything worked out? I thought I saw in some state (Texas maybe) that while they don't recognize "gay marriage" they would honor the divorce

Hi Commish! The divorce was final last November. California passed a law Jan 2013 that allowed non residents to divorce. I did everything, from mailing in the papers to paying for it. Got some pushback from my mom since the ex got more than her fair share of $$. But with DOMA pending and subsequent state rulings, I knew in my gut it was the right thing to do. Thankfully, I hit the nail on the head and was divorced before Ohio lifted their ban and just a couple of months after DOMA was overturned (CA has a 6 month wait period). It is an awesome feeling to no longer have any legal ties to her. And, I don't do this kind of thing but an I told you so call to my mom took place the morning Ohio lifted the ban.

Yay for gay divorce! Oops, yay for divorce

 

[Henry Ford]

Most likely. It'll probably just be a JOTP ding-a-ling and hoohah wedding. Nothing special. I'd much rather spend that money on something better than a ding-a-ling and hoohah wedding. And she's already had a ding-a-ling and hoohah wedding, so she doesn't want another one.

Fixed.

Again, I couldn't care less what other people call it.

Not now. But it's pretty likely that after a couple months of me changing everything you type to "ding-a-ling and hoohah" marriage/wedding/engagement/fiancee/girlfriend/etc. it will drive you bat#### crazy.

You don't know me very well, I guess. I'm not sure why you'd think that would drive me crazy?

You have no idea how far I will take this.

 

[Henry Ford]

The answer is, of course, I will not take this one step farther than I already have.

 

[jon_mx]

Why is it that gay people can get a civil union, but us straight folk can't?!

Because one of the participants is a woman.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Is it time to stop calling it gay marriage? It's marriage

I was thinking the EXACT same thing earlier today.

And, yes.

Why does it matter?

Because there is no difference between straight marriage or gay marriage. It's marriage.

Gay is the adjective. It's still a marriage.

Right. People already call it marriage when they're talking about the fact that Jimmy and Steve got married.

The phrase "gay marriage" is typically used when we're talking about something like the fact that Louisiana still doesn't allow gay marriage, or that Pennsylvania does. The adjective is useful in those contexts because if you saw a headline stating simply that Louisiana still doesn't allow marriage, that would be confusing.

 

[The Commish]

Is it time to stop calling it gay marriage? It's marriage

speaking of which.....how's the "divorce" coming? Were you able to get anything worked out? I thought I saw in some state (Texas maybe) that while they don't recognize "gay marriage" they would honor the divorce

Hi Commish! The divorce was final last November. California passed a law Jan 2013 that allowed non residents to divorce. I did everything, from mailing in the papers to paying for it. Got some pushback from my mom since the ex got more than her fair share of $$. But with DOMA pending and subsequent state rulings, I knew in my gut it was the right thing to do. Thankfully, I hit the nail on the head and was divorced before Ohio lifted their ban and just a couple of months after DOMA was overturned (CA has a 6 month wait period). It is an awesome feeling to no longer have any legal ties to her. And, I don't do this kind of thing but an I told you so call to my mom took place the morning Ohio lifted the ban.

Yay for gay divorce! Oops, yay for divorce

good for you! Glad all worked out

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

In the Pennsylvania case, the judge applied intermediate scrutiny, determining that sexual orientation is a suspect classification.

The Supreme Court hasn't gone that far yet, but it should.

 

[joffer]

In the Pennsylvania case, the judge applied intermediate scrutiny, determining that sexual orientation is a suspect classification.

The Supreme Court hasn't gone that far yet, but it should.

I think this the same judge that laughed intelligent design out of court in Kitzmiller v Dover in 2005. I think I like this guyETA: and I'm pretty sure this guy was recommended to GWB by Santorum, which just makes it that much better