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General Milley destroys Matt Gaetz in answering question about Critical Race Theory, “wokeness” and the military (1 Viewer)
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dkp993
Footballguy
Good questions. I agree with your last sentence, but the reason I ask is in this political environment the 25th could take time to happen when it’s not clear cut (like the POTUS is in a coma or something). And with something that’s time sensitive where is the line for disregarding a overtly bad/dangerous decision?
dkp993
Footballguy
Not sure the 25th works in that scenario though I do agree with the crux of your argument. See my response to Max for an expansion of my thoughts/question.
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Max Power
Footballguy
The 25th needs to have a higher standard than what we causally toss around. People may not like Trump, but he wasn't in the ballpark.
Doctors may want to check out Joe as he is trending down.
Disregarding an order is also a different situation than actively planning to disregard an order.
dkp993
Footballguy
I agree with your thoughts on the 25th. It's hard to dislike Trump more then I do but I was never onboard with that talk. That's not what the 25th was intended for.
But with that aside, it could be where Biden ends up if the decline continues, I don't think he's that far gone yet but it's in the realm of possibilities at this point imo.
Either way the Miley thing just got me thinking. Is there a time or occasion where it's appropriate for our top military brass to disregard, or actively plan too, the POTUS. I understand and respect the chain of command and it's importance, but my gut tells me there has to be a time or situation where it could be broken. That's what I'm trying to vet out.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
On one hand, I'm strongly inclined to trust the guy who spent four years around Trump to know what his mental state was like. If Milley says that Trump was so unstable and so unhinged that it warranted gross insubordination, then fine. I guess that's the price we pay for electing this sort of person to the presidency.
On the other hand, you can't do this and continue to serve in uniform. It's time to resign.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
The ultimate authority over our military rests with the president. Period, end of story. If you're a general and you feel strongly enough about it to override civilian command, you should also feel strongly enough about it to submit a resignation letter. This person can't possibly serve in the military with any credibility going forward.
dkp993
Footballguy
These are fair takes, both of them.
In the Miley situation I can see a case being made that the actions themselves are viewed very differently when it's the last few days of a POTUS's term vs it being in the middle or even 90% of the way though. Either way it's got me thinking.....
rockaction
Footballguy
This is exactly the thread I posted with Jeet Heer having insider information about a military coup and defying the Commander-in-Chief in reverse. In other words, not commencing ordered military action.
We can be thankful for that as people, but he must resign.
HellToupee
Footballguy
bluechecks & their lickspittles on Twitter are acting like Donald was pressing the launch button
HellToupee
Footballguy
even the loathsome Vindman thinks Miller crossed the lineup
Alexander S. Vindman
@AVindman
If this is true GEN Milley must resign. He usurped civilian authority, broke Chain of Command, and violated the sacrosanct principle of civilian control over the military. It’s an extremely dangerous precedent. You can’t simply walk away from that.
Alexander S. Vindman
@AVindman
If this is true GEN Milley must resign. He usurped civilian authority, broke Chain of Command, and violated the sacrosanct principle of civilian control over the military. It’s an extremely dangerous precedent. You can’t simply walk away from that.
The General
Footballguy
Wow. Milley, Trump's handpicked guy , really didn't think much of him 
dkp993
Footballguy
Wash, rinse, repeatWow. Milley, Trump's handpicked guy , really didn't think much of him
The General
Footballguy
It does seem to be a pattern with many of Don's hires.
This isn't particularly great timing for Milley as he is on the hot seat at the moment for the advice he was giving Biden in regards to Afghanistan.
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BladeRunner
Footballguy
Reading the comments it appears I was right: The lefties are wholly behind what Milley did.
Keep in mind, these are the same people that are still aghast over January 6th and how "Democracy was threatened". What Milley did was literally the definition of threatening Democracy too.
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BladeRunner
Footballguy
Wow. Milley, Trump's handpicked guy , really didn't think much of him
This is your take away? Or is this your deflection? Or both?
Coach Morris Buttermaker
Footballguy
The General
Footballguy
I have no opinion about Milley one way or the other really. He's not had the best last couple months.
He seemed to hold Trump in low regard.
Max Power
Footballguy
I think the fact it's from WaPo confirms Milley will be the scapegoat for Afghanistan. The administration can blame him for anything they want now.
The General
Footballguy
Chaz McNulty
Footballguy
Wasn't that the whole purpose of the meeting? To make sure that wasn't going to happen.
bluechecks & their lickspittles on Twitter are acting like Donald was pressing the launch button
But I agree, he should resign and I think he might. Resigning will make him look heroic in many peoples eyes. To many he will come off as someone willing to suffer the consequences in order to protect America and the world. Modern Day Martyr.
I think the Catholic Church may even make him a Saint.
dkp993
Footballguy
Where are you seeing this? I’ve seen none but I admittedly don’t frequent CNN websites or read the comments on articles.
quick-hands
Footballguy
Shows the depth and breath of deep state. And shows the crap advice trump was receiving from the time he started as president till he left.
No wonder trump constantly had to over rule the experts. He did know better than his generals.
quick-hands
Footballguy
BladeRunner
Footballguy
quick-hands said:
Right? 1/6 is insurrection - but not that? WTH?
That guy posted it in here as some sort of victory?
That's blue team crazy on steroids.
The General
Footballguy
Milley was Trump's guy, hand picked him.quick-hands said:
zoonation
Footballguy
All you have to do is spend a little time with him, I suspect. Smart people can see Donald Trump coming a mile away. The mistake they all make is thinking they can work around the narcissism. It always ends the same way.The General said:Wow. Milley, Trump's handpicked guy , really didn't think much of him
quick-hands
Footballguy
Lol Canada. Your left wing are soft. You have a quality military. But you don't strike me as that. Go get me a coffee
zoonation
Footballguy
The General
Footballguy
HellToupee
Footballguy
Dish out crap like your extremely offensive post don’t be surprised to get something back at you
zoonation
Footballguy
Fair enough. Let me be more specific: The idea that a con man narcissist with no geopolitical experience whatsoever would know more than his generals is a perfect description of the biggest problem with America in 2021; unqualified people think they are experts at everything. Because? Social media. Or, malignant narcissism in Trump’s case.
quick-hands
Footballguy
zoonation
Footballguy
The worst. Seriously. I hope he gets what he deserves calling this election. I’d be optimistic, but Canadian polling is notoriously unreliable and I’m worried there will be last minute defection of a big chunk of NDP vote (our leftist party) to Trudeau to save his ###.
I wouldn’t vote for Justin Trudeau if god asked me to.
zoonation
Footballguy
Zero self awareness.
Canadians dishing out liberal anti-American hot takes.
all you do is troll this board. I honestly don’t understand why you get away with it.
Shutout
Footballguy
Using the same premise, what's Biden's excuse then? He was advised by his general how many people it would take to secure the air base and the city and he basically over rode them and said he didn't care. Wanted to keep the numbers of personnel low and it snowballed a lot of what we saw unfold.
In reality, the POTUS does not unilaterally make the decisions to launch nukes. Its a process with multi-levels of safeguards.
At its simplest, what Milley did was violate his chain of command and committed insubordination which is subject to court martial. That is on the very simplest end of the scale. What he did was more dangerous than the story his is trying to say was the opposite. In a true scenario, the POTUS would not have the same direct path with no safeguards that Milley created for himself with what he did.
Hot Take!
all you do is troll this board. I honestly don’t understand why you get away with it.
zoonation
Footballguy
I dont disagree with anything in your post. Assuming the story remains as it is currently being reported.
zoonation
Footballguy
A series of posts typical of lefty when you cant defend the topic.
America in a nutshell!
You're a troll!
Try dicussing the topic. Or dont, I really dont care.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Summer Wheat
Footballguy
zoonation said:
Generals get huge pensions. Milley will retire.
BladeRunner
Footballguy
Finally read what milley actual said. Wow.
Thats not disobeying a lawful order, thats #######g treason.
"Gen. Li, you and I have known each other for now five years. If we're going to attack, I'm going to call you ahead of time," Milley added, as reported by the book, "Peril," which is set to be released next week. "It's not going to be a surprise."
That is aiding and abetting the enemy right there. Wow.
Thats not disobeying a lawful order, thats #######g treason.
"Gen. Li, you and I have known each other for now five years. If we're going to attack, I'm going to call you ahead of time," Milley added, as reported by the book, "Peril," which is set to be released next week. "It's not going to be a surprise."
That is aiding and abetting the enemy right there. Wow.
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HellToupee
Footballguy
Josh Rogin
@joshrogin
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3h
Senior Trump admin national security official to me on Gen. Milley's reported secret calls to Chinese generals: “It was dangerous for Mark Milley to be doing freelance diplomacy on China without involving any of the other senior officials dealing with China at the time..." 1/3
Josh Rogin
@joshrogin
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3h
2/3 "Milley was making these phone calls at a time when the U.S. government was in the middle of very complicated discussions with and actions against the PRC. For him to take this sort of action without any interagency coordination is astonishing..."
Josh Rogin
@joshrogin
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3h
"...The risk is [Milley] could have caused the Chinese to miscalculate and take some sort of diplomatic, economic or military action with far ranging consequences, because he was giving the wrong signal, having no understanding of the context in which he was making the call." 3/3
@joshrogin
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3h
Senior Trump admin national security official to me on Gen. Milley's reported secret calls to Chinese generals: “It was dangerous for Mark Milley to be doing freelance diplomacy on China without involving any of the other senior officials dealing with China at the time..." 1/3
Josh Rogin
@joshrogin
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3h
2/3 "Milley was making these phone calls at a time when the U.S. government was in the middle of very complicated discussions with and actions against the PRC. For him to take this sort of action without any interagency coordination is astonishing..."
Josh Rogin
@joshrogin
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3h
"...The risk is [Milley] could have caused the Chinese to miscalculate and take some sort of diplomatic, economic or military action with far ranging consequences, because he was giving the wrong signal, having no understanding of the context in which he was making the call." 3/3
