George R.R. Martin - "A Dance With Dragons" (1 Viewer)

[Marvin]

Cool. I guess I am in the minority that hopes Snow is dead. I like the finality of the series and feel cheated when people get brought back.

I agree on the general point that dead characters should stay dead, and the diminished importance of death has been one of the many problems in books 4 and 5, but killing Jon Snow would be silly at this point.

There are so many deaths in this series that it's hard to keep track of. The only resurrections that I can recall are Beric Dondarion and Lady Stark. Everyone else stays dead. GRRM likes to play with the readers by making us think that Arya and Jon are dead at the end of their chapters, and finding out that they were merely KO'd, that doesn't really count as being brought back from the dead.

I don't mean just resurrections. What you call GRRM playing with the readers is what I call cheap soap opera cliffhangers. It's even more ridiculous when the book ends without explaining their fates, and the next book doesn't come out for years. There's Arya, Jon, Asha, Brienne and likely others that I'm forgetting. Aegon also "came back from the dead", if it's really him. Martin also led readers to believe that Davos was dead in book 4. It's understandable due to the nature of the different viewpoints, but still diminishes the feeling that characters could die at any moment. Also, while characters stayed dead, no one of actual relevance died in the last two books, unless you're counting Jon as dead. Quentyn doesn't qualify, in my mind.

Exactly.

 

[(HULK)]

There is a new sample chapter up from Winds of Winter FYI.Someone refresh me as to wha Arya's cliffhanger was, I am drawing blank on it.

 

[Drunken Cowboy]

There is a new sample chapter up from Winds of Winter FYI.Someone refresh me as to wha Arya's cliffhanger was, I am drawing blank on it.

Where and who?

 

[Moe.]

There is a new sample chapter up from Winds of Winter FYI.Someone refresh me as to wha Arya's cliffhanger was, I am drawing blank on it.

Where and who?

http://www.georgerrmartin.com/if-sample.html

 

[Moe.]

His website could use some updating, that thing is terrible.

 

[jplvr]

There is a new sample chapter up from Winds of Winter FYI.Someone refresh me as to wha Arya's cliffhanger was, I am drawing blank on it.

I just finished the books. I thought it ended with her figuring out how to kill the coin-chewer.

 

[jplvr]

Cool. I guess I am in the minority that hopes Snow is dead. I like the finality of the series and feel cheated when people get brought back.

I agree on the general point that dead characters should stay dead, and the diminished importance of death has been one of the many problems in books 4 and 5, but killing Jon Snow would be silly at this point.

There are so many deaths in this series that it's hard to keep track of. The only resurrections that I can recall are Beric Dondarion and Lady Stark. Everyone else stays dead. GRRM likes to play with the readers by making us think that Arya and Jon are dead at the end of their chapters, and finding out that they were merely KO'd, that doesn't really count as being brought back from the dead.

I don't mean just resurrections. What you call GRRM playing with the readers is what I call cheap soap opera cliffhangers. It's even more ridiculous when the book ends without explaining their fates, and the next book doesn't come out for years. There's Arya, Jon, Asha, Brienne and likely others that I'm forgetting. Aegon also "came back from the dead", if it's really him. Martin also led readers to believe that Davos was dead in book 4. It's understandable due to the nature of the different viewpoints, but still diminishes the feeling that characters could die at any moment. Also, while characters stayed dead, no one of actual relevance died in the last two books, unless you're counting Jon as dead. Quentyn doesn't qualify, in my mind.

Exactly.

He's wore that razor thin with the Arya ones. The first time the Kindly Man asked if he wanted her sight back in that particular chapter, I knew she would have it by the time I moved on to the next character....and I assume Snow has enough friends in camp for someone to have seen the mob and thought it might be a good idea to let Ghost out. He'd be enough to scatter the crowd for Jon to survive. I highly doubt he's dead.

Which POV characters have actually died? Eddard Stark and Arys Oakheart, and I'm leaving Catelyn Tully off this list since she's still a zombie for the time being. From this list: http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/POV_Character

Spoiler

Oh and Pate from the Prologue assuming he's actually Jaqen H'ghar during Sam's chapter in Oldtown.

Do we really need to use spoiler tags in this thread now? We have 3 threads for this series: HBO show discussion only, HBO show mixed with book thread, and this book 6 only thread. I'm tired of having to click every post to read stuff.

I did mine since it seems to be a widely accepted theory on a character which wasn't laid out specifically by Martin. (no more hippling)

 

[Gr00vus]

With 3 Dance With Dragons threads bumped to the 1st page today, and not having heard any news, I was fully expecting to see posts that Martin had kicked it. Glad to see it's just random banter.

 

[jplvr]

I just wanted to thank everyone. Finally finished out this thread tonight. Lots of good stuff I never even considered. It was nice to see some other opinions from a similar frame of reference which was just after reading the last book. I made it through these in a little over five weeks. Can't wait to do it again.

 

[Sand]

With 3 Dance With Dragons threads bumped to the 1st page today, and not having heard any news, I was fully expecting to see posts that Martin had kicked it. Glad to see it's just random banter.

I was hoping to see that Dance was finally out in paperback. It was October 2012, then March 2013, now evidently moved back again to October 2013.George, you are a ####tard.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

With 3 Dance With Dragons threads bumped to the 1st page today, and not having heard any news, I was fully expecting to see posts that Martin had kicked it. Glad to see it's just random banter.

I was hoping to see that Dance was finally out in paperback. It was October 2012, then March 2013, now evidently moved back again to October 2013.George, you are a ####tard.

What makes you think GRRM has anything to do with a publishing decision like that?

 

[Sand]

With 3 Dance With Dragons threads bumped to the 1st page today, and not having heard any news, I was fully expecting to see posts that Martin had kicked it. Glad to see it's just random banter.

I was hoping to see that Dance was finally out in paperback. It was October 2012, then March 2013, now evidently moved back again to October 2013.George, you are a ####tard.

What makes you think GRRM has anything to do with a publishing decision like that?

I'm just whining. He's an easy scapegoat.Thanks to Amazons new Kindle daily deals on books I have more in my queue than I can hope to read by then.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Spoiler

Crackpot theory: I think the Ramsay letter was an inside job. I don't think it came from Bolton, I think it was a plant by the members of the Nights Watch that didn't like the direction Jon was heading. Clydas was shaking when he delivered the letter, but it was sealed with a smear of pink wax. I can't recall if Clydas could read (I expect he can), but even so, why would the fact that it was addressed to "*******" cause Mully to say that "Clydas don't look his proper self" - he should have had no idea what the contents of the letter were, so why so shaken?Everything in the letter - false king, magic sword, red whore, Mance Rayder = Abel, 6 whores - would have been more likely known by those at the wall than Bolton or anyone at Winterfell.Inside job. Book it.

I just finished the book and I'm skimming through the pages so sorry if this is late or has been addressed:

Spoiler

Am I the only one who thinks that Stannis sent this letter to test Jon's loyalty?

 

[Sabertooth]

Anyone go back and re-read these books start to finish?

 

[mad sweeney]

Anyone go back and re-read these books start to finish?

I re read book one before the first season. Re-read 4 right before five came out. I'm debating whether to read 2, which I didn't want to do before the season. So I'll probably wait til season 3 is over to do so.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Anyone go back and re-read these books start to finish?

I re read book one before the first season. Re-read 4 right before five came out. I'm debating whether to read 2, which I didn't want to do before the season. So I'll probably wait til season 3 is over to do so.

Once there is a tentative release date for Winds of Winter, I will begin rereading them. Until then, I am trying to enjoy the show while forgetting some details I already should know.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Anyone go back and re-read these books start to finish?

I re read book one before the first season. Re-read 4 right before five came out. I'm debating whether to read 2, which I didn't want to do before the season. So I'll probably wait til season 3 is over to do so.

Once there is a tentative release date for Winds of Winter, I will begin rereading them. Until then, I am trying to enjoy the show while forgetting some details I already should know.

Is there sample chapters out for this book? If so, how many and where can I find them?

TIA

 

[CBusAlex]

Hey, look, an all-book thread where spoilers abound.

 

[Gr00vus]

Anyone go back and re-read these books start to finish?

I re read book one before the first season. Re-read 4 right before five came out. I'm debating whether to read 2, which I didn't want to do before the season. So I'll probably wait til season 3 is over to do so.

Once there is a tentative release date for Winds of Winter, I will begin rereading them. Until then, I am trying to enjoy the show while forgetting some details I already should know.

Same here. Which means I'll have to collect the books from whoever I've loaned them to in about 7 years.

 

[mad sweeney]

Hey, look, an all-book thread where spoilers abound.

Sorry, this thread is for ADWD posts only. No discussion of previous or future books without spoiler tags please.

 

[CBusAlex]

Hey, look, an all-book thread where spoilers abound.

Sorry, this thread is for ADWD posts only. No discussion of previous or future books without spoiler tags please.

Like any of us will be alive to read these "future books".

 

[EYLive]

Anyone go back and re-read these books start to finish?

I re read book one before the first season. Re-read 4 right before five came out. I'm debating whether to read 2, which I didn't want to do before the season. So I'll probably wait til season 3 is over to do so.

Once there is a tentative release date for Winds of Winter, I will begin rereading them. Until then, I am trying to enjoy the show while forgetting some details I already should know.

Is there sample chapters out for this book? If so, how many and where can I find them?

TIA

http://www.georgerrmartin.com/excerpt-from-the-winds-of-winter/

Please rate me 5 stars. Thank you.

 

[EYLive]

Hey, look, an all-book thread where spoilers abound.

Sorry, this thread is for ADWD posts only. No discussion of previous or future books without spoiler tags please.

Like any of us will be alive to read these "future books".

I'm still young. I do yoga and eat my vegetables parsnips braised in butter.

 

[Gr00vus]

Hey, look, an all-book thread where spoilers abound.

Sorry, this thread is for ADWD posts only. No discussion of previous or future books without spoiler tags please.

Like any of us will be alive to read these "future books".

I'm still young. I do yoga and eat my vegetables parsnips braised in butter.

You might want to convert George to your regimen.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Anyone go back and re-read these books start to finish?

I re read book one before the first season. Re-read 4 right before five came out. I'm debating whether to read 2, which I didn't want to do before the season. So I'll probably wait til season 3 is over to do so.

Once there is a tentative release date for Winds of Winter, I will begin rereading them. Until then, I am trying to enjoy the show while forgetting some details I already should know.

Is there sample chapters out for this book? If so, how many and where can I find them?

TIA

http://www.georgerrmartin.com/excerpt-from-the-winds-of-winter/

Please rate me 5 stars. Thank you.

Thanks! Is there more? Someone I work with said there were like 3 (Arianne, Theon and Tyrion) he thought? I'm not able to search since everything is blocked here.

 

[EYLive]

Anyone go back and re-read these books start to finish?

I re read book one before the first season. Re-read 4 right before five came out. I'm debating whether to read 2, which I didn't want to do before the season. So I'll probably wait til season 3 is over to do so.

Once there is a tentative release date for Winds of Winter, I will begin rereading them. Until then, I am trying to enjoy the show while forgetting some details I already should know.

Is there sample chapters out for this book? If so, how many and where can I find them?

TIA

http://www.georgerrmartin.com/excerpt-from-the-winds-of-winter/

Please rate me 5 stars. Thank you.

Thanks! Is there more? Someone I work with said there were like 3 (Arianne, Theon and Tyrion) he thought? I'm not able to search since everything is blocked here.

Not that I know of. If there was, someone would have posted it here.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Anyone go back and re-read these books start to finish?

I re read book one before the first season. Re-read 4 right before five came out. I'm debating whether to read 2, which I didn't want to do before the season. So I'll probably wait til season 3 is over to do so.

Once there is a tentative release date for Winds of Winter, I will begin rereading them. Until then, I am trying to enjoy the show while forgetting some details I already should know.

Is there sample chapters out for this book? If so, how many and where can I find them?

TIA

http://www.georgerrmartin.com/excerpt-from-the-winds-of-winter/

Please rate me 5 stars. Thank you.

Thanks! Is there more? Someone I work with said there were like 3 (Arianne, Theon and Tyrion) he thought? I'm not able to search since everything is blocked here.

Not that I know of. If there was, someone would have posted it here.

I found this when I Googled but I'm not sure if its legit or not:http://www.ign.com/boards/threads/sample-chapter-from-winds-of-winter.207815997/

 

[Maelstrom]

There have been a few different preview chapters posted, but Martin always uses the same URL, over-writing the previous preview. Pretty sure they have been archived in a few places though.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

I will read the epilouge this afternoon.Let's talk Dany and her last chapter:

Spoiler

I have to say that I was disappointed with her and her chapters for the majority of the book. Maybe it is having too many expectations and GRRM is actually keeping things real, but she just seemed to have a stunt in her development and really reverted to almost a child at times giving in to whims and emotion even when trying not to. Maybe his point was just that though. Both she and John were uncomfortable leading, so perhaps GRRM was trying to show us that and move them on to what their real roles are supposed to be: Jon dying (and hopefully reborn) and Dany leaving Meereen and bringing her dragons to Westeros to join Jon (and eventually Tyrion or Aegon?) in the battle for the realm of men against the white walkers.That last chapter itself confused me a bit though. She is bleeding now? After drinking the bad water and the bowel issues, I was thinking she was falling victim to the bloody flux. Then she was referring to getting her period, however, a much heavier flow. I was thinking she didn't get her period anymore because she was barren. Then the large blood flow could mean a miscarriage?Let's talk about the Quaithe prophecies:To go north, you must journey south, to reach the west you must go east. To go forward you must go back and to touch the light you must pass beneath the shadow.I'm thinking the go north portion means she needs to go to Dorne before she heads to the Wall.To reach west you must go east . . . did she do this already? It's confusing because she went East from Pentos to Vas Dothrak. Then South through the Red Waste. Then West from Quarth to Slaver's Bay. And then instead of heading West at that point, she journeyed East through Slaver's Bay taking out each slaver stronghold.To go forward, you must go back . . . does that mean joining the new Khalasar. As she was "born" in one Khalsar, grew up away from it, and now is back?To touch the light, you must pass beneath the shadow: She has to die? She has to pass beneath the wall? I'm not sure on this one at all really.The glass candles are burning. Soon comes the pale mare, and after her the others. Kraken and dark flame, lion and griffin, the sun's son and the mummer's dragon. Trust none of them. Remember the Undying.We know the glass candles are burning in the Citadel which means dragons and magic are back.Pale Mare was literal and the bloody flux.Kraken and dark flame are Victarion and his red priest, but they haven't arrived yet.Lion was Tyrion, but he hasn't really reached her. And why not trust him?Griffen was Jon Connington. But he never reached her either.Sun's son was obviously Quentyn, but again, why would he not be trustworthy?Mummer's dragon is likely Aegon. Whether that means he is fake or is Vary's dragon I'm not sure yet.Remember the undying to me means to remember her experience there. The betrayal and what she also saw.What are your thoughts on these things? They seem to be important to her and the overall story.Somebody mentioned earlier or in the other thread that Dany saw a wolf surrounded by shadow flames in the tent when Khal Drogo was "saved" but I do not recall that. What else did she see and what does it mean?

This is why I love this book! I knnow to some it seems like a lot and going in fifferent directions but that's the part I love. I didnt like a lot od Dany's chapters but in the next couple books I can't wait to see how all of this plays out!

 

[sn0mm1s]

Hey, look, an all-book thread where spoilers abound.

Sorry, this thread is for ADWD posts only. No discussion of previous or future books without spoiler tags please.

What? If you pop in a spoiler thread discussing the 5th book in a series you should expect some "spoilers".

 

[Sabertooth]

He's trying to be cute.

 

[sn0mm1s]

Anyone go back and re-read these books start to finish?

I re read book one before the first season. Re-read 4 right before five came out. I'm debating whether to read 2, which I didn't want to do before the season. So I'll probably wait til season 3 is over to do so.

Once there is a tentative release date for Winds of Winter, I will begin rereading them. Until then, I am trying to enjoy the show while forgetting some details I already should know.

Is there sample chapters out for this book? If so, how many and where can I find them?

TIA

http://www.georgerrmartin.com/excerpt-from-the-winds-of-winter/

Please rate me 5 stars. Thank you.

Thanks! Is there more? Someone I work with said there were like 3 (Arianne, Theon and Tyrion) he thought? I'm not able to search since everything is blocked here.

Not that I know of. If there was, someone would have posted it here.

I found this when I Googled but I'm not sure if its legit or not:http://www.ign.com/boards/threads/sample-chapter-from-winds-of-winter.207815997/

This is legit. I am pretty sure that he has only released Theon and Arianne chapters. He has done readings/partial readings of other chapters. Really, the best place for discussing the books is: http://asoiaf.westeros.org/

 

[EYLive]

This is legit. I am pretty sure that he has only released Theon and Arianne chapters. He has done readings/partial readings of other chapters. Really, the best place for discussing the books is: http://asoiaf.westeros.org/

Is that site just forums now? They used to have a pretty detailed rundown of all the events and characters.

 

[sn0mm1s]

This is legit. I am pretty sure that he has only released Theon and Arianne chapters. He has done readings/partial readings of other chapters. Really, the best place for discussing the books is: http://asoiaf.westeros.org/

Is that site just forums now? They used to have a pretty detailed rundown of all the events and characters.

They have other info and I am pretty sure the wiki is comprehensive.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

I will read the epilouge this afternoon.Let's talk Dany and her last chapter:

Spoiler

I have to say that I was disappointed with her and her chapters for the majority of the book. Maybe it is having too many expectations and GRRM is actually keeping things real, but she just seemed to have a stunt in her development and really reverted to almost a child at times giving in to whims and emotion even when trying not to. Maybe his point was just that though. Both she and John were uncomfortable leading, so perhaps GRRM was trying to show us that and move them on to what their real roles are supposed to be: Jon dying (and hopefully reborn) and Dany leaving Meereen and bringing her dragons to Westeros to join Jon (and eventually Tyrion or Aegon?) in the battle for the realm of men against the white walkers.That last chapter itself confused me a bit though. She is bleeding now? After drinking the bad water and the bowel issues, I was thinking she was falling victim to the bloody flux. Then she was referring to getting her period, however, a much heavier flow. I was thinking she didn't get her period anymore because she was barren. Then the large blood flow could mean a miscarriage?Let's talk about the Quaithe prophecies:To go north, you must journey south, to reach the west you must go east. To go forward you must go back and to touch the light you must pass beneath the shadow.I'm thinking the go north portion means she needs to go to Dorne before she heads to the Wall.To reach west you must go east . . . did she do this already? It's confusing because she went East from Pentos to Vas Dothrak. Then South through the Red Waste. Then West from Quarth to Slaver's Bay. And then instead of heading West at that point, she journeyed East through Slaver's Bay taking out each slaver stronghold.To go forward, you must go back . . . does that mean joining the new Khalasar. As she was "born" in one Khalsar, grew up away from it, and now is back?To touch the light, you must pass beneath the shadow: She has to die? She has to pass beneath the wall? I'm not sure on this one at all really.The glass candles are burning. Soon comes the pale mare, and after her the others. Kraken and dark flame, lion and griffin, the sun's son and the mummer's dragon. Trust none of them. Remember the Undying.We know the glass candles are burning in the Citadel which means dragons and magic are back.Pale Mare was literal and the bloody flux.Kraken and dark flame are Victarion and his red priest, but they haven't arrived yet.Lion was Tyrion, but he hasn't really reached her. And why not trust him?Griffen was Jon Connington. But he never reached her either.Sun's son was obviously Quentyn, but again, why would he not be trustworthy?Mummer's dragon is likely Aegon. Whether that means he is fake or is Vary's dragon I'm not sure yet.Remember the undying to me means to remember her experience there. The betrayal and what she also saw.What are your thoughts on these things? They seem to be important to her and the overall story.Somebody mentioned earlier or in the other thread that Dany saw a wolf surrounded by shadow flames in the tent when Khal Drogo was "saved" but I do not recall that. What else did she see and what does it mean?

This is why I love this book! I knnow to some it seems like a lot and going in fifferent directions but that's the part I love. I didnt like a lot od Dany's chapters but in the next couple books I can't wait to see how all of this plays out!

I forgot that I wrote such good stuff there! Any thoughts on it???

 

[sn0mm1s]

I will read the epilouge this afternoon.Let's talk Dany and her last chapter:

Spoiler

I have to say that I was disappointed with her and her chapters for the majority of the book. Maybe it is having too many expectations and GRRM is actually keeping things real, but she just seemed to have a stunt in her development and really reverted to almost a child at times giving in to whims and emotion even when trying not to. Maybe his point was just that though. Both she and John were uncomfortable leading, so perhaps GRRM was trying to show us that and move them on to what their real roles are supposed to be: Jon dying (and hopefully reborn) and Dany leaving Meereen and bringing her dragons to Westeros to join Jon (and eventually Tyrion or Aegon?) in the battle for the realm of men against the white walkers.That last chapter itself confused me a bit though. She is bleeding now? After drinking the bad water and the bowel issues, I was thinking she was falling victim to the bloody flux. Then she was referring to getting her period, however, a much heavier flow. I was thinking she didn't get her period anymore because she was barren. Then the large blood flow could mean a miscarriage?Let's talk about the Quaithe prophecies:To go north, you must journey south, to reach the west you must go east. To go forward you must go back and to touch the light you must pass beneath the shadow.I'm thinking the go north portion means she needs to go to Dorne before she heads to the Wall.To reach west you must go east . . . did she do this already? It's confusing because she went East from Pentos to Vas Dothrak. Then South through the Red Waste. Then West from Quarth to Slaver's Bay. And then instead of heading West at that point, she journeyed East through Slaver's Bay taking out each slaver stronghold.To go forward, you must go back . . . does that mean joining the new Khalasar. As she was "born" in one Khalsar, grew up away from it, and now is back?To touch the light, you must pass beneath the shadow: She has to die? She has to pass beneath the wall? I'm not sure on this one at all really.The glass candles are burning. Soon comes the pale mare, and after her the others. Kraken and dark flame, lion and griffin, the sun's son and the mummer's dragon. Trust none of them. Remember the Undying.We know the glass candles are burning in the Citadel which means dragons and magic are back.Pale Mare was literal and the bloody flux.Kraken and dark flame are Victarion and his red priest, but they haven't arrived yet.Lion was Tyrion, but he hasn't really reached her. And why not trust him?Griffen was Jon Connington. But he never reached her either.Sun's son was obviously Quentyn, but again, why would he not be trustworthy?Mummer's dragon is likely Aegon. Whether that means he is fake or is Vary's dragon I'm not sure yet.Remember the undying to me means to remember her experience there. The betrayal and what she also saw.What are your thoughts on these things? They seem to be important to her and the overall story.Somebody mentioned earlier or in the other thread that Dany saw a wolf surrounded by shadow flames in the tent when Khal Drogo was "saved" but I do not recall that. What else did she see and what does it mean?

Spoiler

This is why I love this book! I knnow to some it seems like a lot and going in fifferent directions but that's the part I love. I didnt like a lot od Dany's chapters but in the next couple books I can't wait to see how all of this plays out!

I forgot that I wrote such good stuff there! Any thoughts on it???

Spoiler

"to touch the light you must pass beneath the shadow"

This could be a few things other than what you mentioned. It could mean that she needs to go to Asshai. That is both south and east and is known to be the location where the Shadowbinders and R'hllor/Lord of Light are based. I believe that Balerion (the original black dragon used to conquer Westeros) was also called the Winged Shadow. It may mean that she needs to tame Drogon before she can ride him.

The rest I pretty much agree with.

Obviously, Quentyn wasn't trustworthy because he tried to steal a dragon.

Why trust Tyrion? He is one of the reasons why Aegon and Jon Connington are in Westeros and not with Daenerys. Tyrion doesn't trust anyone now since he learned of Jaime's betrayal. I see him trying to position himself just as much as any of his "allies".

 

[kupcho1]

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Man. I was hoping a Winds of Winter update was in here.

 

[Maelstrom]

Man. I was hoping a Winds of Winter update was in here.

Yah...bumping this thread was mean. Sure, I should know better, but...still.

 

[sn0mm1s]

I read somewhere recently that he has around 1000 manuscript pages. If those are finalized then we might get the book early 2015. If those are still rough then I would guess late 2015 early 2016.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

I read somewhere recently that he has around 1000 manuscript pages. If those are finalized then we might get the book early 2015. If those are still rough then I would guess late 2015 early 2016.

So the show will 99% be passing him by or they will really need to stretch and/or make up storylines.

 

[sn0mm1s]

I read somewhere recently that he has around 1000 manuscript pages. If those are finalized then we might get the book early 2015. If those are still rough then I would guess late 2015 early 2016.

So the show will 99% be passing him by or they will really need to stretch and/or make up storylines.

It really depends - but if I had to bet on it that will likely be the case. I don't think AFFC and ADWD will take up nearly as many seasons as the first 3 books.

 

[Maelstrom]

I read somewhere recently that he has around 1000 manuscript pages. If those are finalized then we might get the book early 2015. If those are still rough then I would guess late 2015 early 2016.

So the show will 99% be passing him by or they will really need to stretch and/or make up storylines.

It really depends - but if I had to bet on it that will likely be the case. I don't think AFFC and ADWD will take up nearly as many seasons as the first 3 books.

I read an interesting fan theory that HBO should do a "prequel" season, focusing on the Robert's Rebellion, when he took the throne. Lots of material in the existing books to be able to put together a fun season that would introduce quite a bit of the "recent history" of Westeros and how things got to where they are now.

It was pretty controversial and I kinda doubt HBO would interrupt the series to do a prequel season, but it would be a way to "skip" a year and give Martin time to get ahead.

Another thing to keep in mind, Martin released the first 3 books in 4 years (writing time was about 6-7 years for the 3 books). The third book was released a little over a year after the second. The reason it took 10-11 years for the next 2 books was that he ran into problems and threw away quite a bit of stuff that he had written, as well as come up with a new plan for those 2 books (likely cascading into the last books). I don't know if he can release the next 2 books in time for HBO, but I don't think just because it took him 5-6 years per book for #4 and #5, it doesn't necessarily mean it'll take him 5 years for each book.

I would also say, I wouldn't be surprised to see the next book released around the end of the upcoming HBO season. Perfect timing (if Martin can get it done) to capitalize on the timing. That would give him about 2-3 years to finish the last book.

 

[Abrantes]

Cruel bump.

 

[kupcho1]

George R.R. Martin Says That The Winds of Winter is 75 Percent Complete

Given it's only been 12 years since A Dance With Dragons came out, I'd expect The Winds of Winter to be available some time late 2027. Actually probably early 2028 to allow for editing, printing, marketing and such.

 

[nysfl2]

George R.R. Martin Says That The Winds of Winter is 75 Percent Complete

Given it's only been 12 years since A Dance With Dragons came out, I'd expect The Winds of Winter to be available some time late 2027. Actually probably early 2028 to allow for editing, printing, marketing and such.

Seems optimistic

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

He said 75% last October.

It's 76% now.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Random Game of Thrones clips have been popping up in my feed lately. There is such a difference in the writing and even some acting in the earlier clips vs final 2-3 seasons.