Giants/Packers Strength of Victory tiebreaker (1 Viewer)

[johnnybronco]

If the Packers beat the Bears, and the Giants beat the Skins, then the tiebreaker is strength of victory, which is the winning percentage of all the teams you have beaten.

Well if they both win next week, the Packers strength of victory will be 47-74 and the Giants will be at 51-70.

So the Packers would be 4 games behind, but they would need somebody they beaten to get victories next week. Those victories would have to outscore the opponents of the Giants victories by more than 4.

Closer look at the Packers wins:

Detroit - will lose to Dallas

Miami -will lose to Indy

Arizona - will lose to SD

Minny - could beat StL

SF - will lose to Denver

Detroit - will lose to Dallas

Minny - could beat StL

Chicago - would lose to Packers if this tiebreaker would come into play

-we can expect the 47-74 strength of victory to go to 49 wins

Closer look at the Giants wins:

Eagles - will beat Atl, doesn't matter since Atl is a victory opponent as well, this is plus 1 for sure

Wash - Gmen will have to beat them in order for this tiebreaker to work

Atl - will lose to Philly

Dal - will beat Detroit

TB - lose to Seattle

Hous - could beat Cleveland

Car - will beat NO since they will be resting starters

*Wash- Gmen will have to beat them in order for this tiebreaker to work

-we can expect the 51-70 strength of victory to go to 55 wins

Basically the chances of GB winning the strength of victory tiebreaker is slim to none. They would need all teams that they beat to win this weekend, while the NYG opponents lose.

Minny, Houston, Carolina scenarios could happen, but I can't see any humanly possibly way for Detroit to beat Dallas.

A Giants loss is pretty much the only way GB gets in. Cause Caro should beat NO and the rest from there is up to the Packers on Sunday night.

 

[scott72]

If the Packers beat the Bears, and the Giants beat the Skins, then the tiebreaker is strength of victory, which is the winning percentage of all the teams you have beaten.Well if they both win next week, the Packers strength of victory will be 49-69 and the Giants will be at 51-67.So the Packers would be 2 games behind, but they would need somebody they beaten to get victories next week. Those victories would have to outscore the opponents of the Giants victories by more than 3. Closer look at the Packers winsetroit - will lose to DallasMiami -will lose to IndyArizona - will lose to SDMinny - could beat StLSF - will lose to DenverDetroit - will lose to DallasMinny - could beat StLChicago - would lose to Packers if this tiebreaker would come into play-we can expect the 49-69 strength of victory to go to 51 winsCloser look at the Giants wins:Eagles - will beat Atl, doesn't matter since Atl is a victory opponent as well, this is plus 1 for sureWash - Gmen will have to beat them in order for this tiebreaker to workAtl - will lose to PhillyDal - will beat DetroitTB - lose to SeattleHous - could beat ClevelandCar - will beat NO since they will be resting starters*Wash- Gmen will have to beat them in order for this tiebreaker to work-we can expect the 51-67 strength of victory to go to 55 winsBasically the chances of GB winning the strength of victory tiebreaker is slim to none. They would need Minny to knock of St.Loo, and Detroit to knock off Dallas, along with a Houston or Carolina loss to get that tiebreaker. Green Bay needing help from Detroit and Minnesota, how ironic.Minny, Houston, Carolina scenarios could happen, but I can't see any humanly possibly way for Detroit to beat Dallas.A Giants loss is pretty much the only way GB gets in. Cause Caro should beat NO and the rest from there is up to the Packers on Sunday night.

We already know this. If the Giants lose, the Packers will need Minnesota to beat the Rams or either Atlanta to win at Philadelphia or Carolina to win at New Orleans. If the Rams win and the other two lose, the Packers are out; if the Rams win and one or both of the other teams win, the Packers are in.The Packers have a better conference record (7-5) than the Rams, Falcons and Panthers and would win any tiebreaker consisting of three or more teams. If the Packers are tied solely with the Rams, they would lose out on a head-to-head tiebreaker because of a 23-20 loss earlier this year.The Packers may have caught a break in regard to the Carolina-New Orleans game. As a result of Dallas losing Monday night, the Saints clinched a first-round bye for the playoffs and have nothing to play for Sunday against the Panthers. It's possible Saints coach Sean Payton will rest his starters.Still, if the Giants don't lose to Washington, then the Packers' chances of getting in aren't very good.Here are the scenarios as spelled out by the NFL:1. Packers victory PLUS Giants victory PLUS GB clinches strength of victory tiebreaker over NYG2. Packers victory PLUS Giants loss or tie PLUS Rams loss or tie3. Packers victory PLUS Giants loss or tie PLUS Panthers victory4. Packers victory PLUS Giants loss or tie PLUS Falcons victory5. Packers tie PLUS Giants loss PLUS Rams loss PLUS Falcons loss or tie PLUS Panthers loss or tie

 

[baronson]

i'm glad you posted this. i wasn't sure how this tiebreaker worked. of course, as a Giants fan, i'm expecting them to sht the bed all over again, so i'm not sure why i care.

in any case, go Blue!! can't wait to watch Eli butcher another game.

 

[AB in DC]

Are you sure about these numbers? By my math the Packers SOV would be about five wins behind the Giants.

Detroit 2

Miami 6

Arizona 5

Minny 6

SF 6

Detroit 2

Minny 6

Chicago 13

TOTAL 46

Eagles 9

Wash 5

Atl 7

Dal 9

TB 4

Hous 5

Car 7

Wash 5

TOTAL 51 plus one at least for the Atlanta-Philly game

Edit: If this is correct, GB needs all eight of these teams to win in order to finish with a higher SOV:

Detroit over @Dallas

@Minnesota over St Louis

Arizona over @San Diego

Miami over @Indy

San Fran over @Den

Seattle over @Tampa

@Houston over Cleveland

Carolina over @New Orleans

If this happens, GB will be at 53 and the Giants will be at 52. If the two teams are tied in SOV, I think the next tiebreaker is Strength of Schedule which Giants would probably win.

 

[shakeybarn]

Closer look at the Packers winsetroit - will lose to DallasMiami -will lose to IndyArizona - will lose to SDMinny - could beat StLSF - will lose to DenverDetroit - will lose to DallasMinny - could beat StLChicago - would lose to Packers if this tiebreaker would come into play-we can expect the 49-69 strength of victory to go to 51 wins

Um, you expect quite a bit there cowboy. Lest we forget... it's the NFL in 2006. Do you expect Philly to not only be respectable but lock a playoff spot in Week16? Did you expect Ron Dayne to bust out and Indy to lose to Houston? Did you even expect GB to even be in this position? Tennessee to have a playoff shot? Every week for the Giants to be expected to stop the bleeding and still come out respectable, yet still continue to implode?Your assumptions above... Detroit, Miami, Arizona, SF... one, if not two of those teams will win. Much less the Giants losing again. Given the number of teams in the NFL that are 1 or 2 games above/below .500... just using the law of averages says this will be so.Granted I think GBs chances are tight.... and they'll (read as: Favre) will implode anyways... but your logic on the strength of schedule makes some short-sighted assumptions in this day in age (read as: 2006).

 

[johnnybronco]

Closer look at the Packers winsetroit - will lose to DallasMiami -will lose to IndyArizona - will lose to SDMinny - could beat StLSF - will lose to DenverDetroit - will lose to DallasMinny - could beat StLChicago - would lose to Packers if this tiebreaker would come into play-we can expect the 49-69 strength of victory to go to 51 wins

Um, you expect quite a bit there cowboy. Lest we forget... it's the NFL in 2006. Do you expect Philly to not only be respectable but lock a playoff spot in Week16? Did you expect Ron Dayne to bust out and Indy to lose to Houston? Did you even expect GB to even be in this position? Tennessee to have a playoff shot? Every week for the Giants to be expected to stop the bleeding and still come out respectable, yet still continue to implode?Your assumptions above... Detroit, Miami, Arizona, SF... one, if not two of those teams will win. Much less the Giants losing again. Given the number of teams in the NFL that are 1 or 2 games above/below .500... just using the law of averages says this will be so.Granted I think GBs chances are tight.... and they'll (read as: Favre) will implode anyways... but your logic on the strength of schedule makes some short-sighted assumptions in this day in age (read as: 2006).

i'm looking at it from a realistic expectation, not a predicting viewpoint, if i wanted to predict games based on who the upsets were, i would put that up in that thread, just posting something along the lines of what could happen. instead of trying to rip it apart, how about post some relevant thoughts. i'm pretty sure if i'm watchign the tiebreakers this close, i know that the NFL is unpredicatable. But that's why you do simple logical predictions before the games just to see what COULD happen, not what IS going to happen.

 

[johnnybronco]

Are you sure about these numbers? By my math the Packers SOV would be about five wins behind the Giants.Detroit 2Miami 6Arizona 5Minny 6SF 6Detroit 2Minny 6Chicago 13TOTAL 46Eagles 9Wash 5Atl 7Dal 9TB 4Hous 5Car 7Wash 5TOTAL 51 plus one at least for the Atlanta-Philly gameEdit: If this is correct, GB needs all eight of these teams to win in order to finish with a higher SOVetroit over @Dallas@Minnesota over St LouisArizona over @San DiegoMiami over @IndySan Fran over @DenSeattle over @Tampa@Houston over ClevelandCarolina over @New OrleansIf this happens, GB will be at 53 and the Giants will be at 52. If the two teams are tied in SOV, I think the next tiebreaker is Strength of Schedule which Giants would probably win.

sorry my bad, my math was wrong, i did do some wrong math, yours is correct, thanks.

 

[johnnybronco]

If the Packers beat the Bears, and the Giants beat the Skins, then the tiebreaker is strength of victory, which is the winning percentage of all the teams you have beaten.Well if they both win next week, the Packers strength of victory will be 49-69 and the Giants will be at 51-67.So the Packers would be 2 games behind, but they would need somebody they beaten to get victories next week. Those victories would have to outscore the opponents of the Giants victories by more than 3. Closer look at the Packers winsetroit - will lose to DallasMiami -will lose to IndyArizona - will lose to SDMinny - could beat StLSF - will lose to DenverDetroit - will lose to DallasMinny - could beat StLChicago - would lose to Packers if this tiebreaker would come into play-we can expect the 49-69 strength of victory to go to 51 winsCloser look at the Giants wins:Eagles - will beat Atl, doesn't matter since Atl is a victory opponent as well, this is plus 1 for sureWash - Gmen will have to beat them in order for this tiebreaker to workAtl - will lose to PhillyDal - will beat DetroitTB - lose to SeattleHous - could beat ClevelandCar - will beat NO since they will be resting starters*Wash- Gmen will have to beat them in order for this tiebreaker to work-we can expect the 51-67 strength of victory to go to 55 winsBasically the chances of GB winning the strength of victory tiebreaker is slim to none. They would need Minny to knock of St.Loo, and Detroit to knock off Dallas, along with a Houston or Carolina loss to get that tiebreaker. Green Bay needing help from Detroit and Minnesota, how ironic.Minny, Houston, Carolina scenarios could happen, but I can't see any humanly possibly way for Detroit to beat Dallas.A Giants loss is pretty much the only way GB gets in. Cause Caro should beat NO and the rest from there is up to the Packers on Sunday night.

We already know this. If the Giants lose, the Packers will need Minnesota to beat the Rams or either Atlanta to win at Philadelphia or Carolina to win at New Orleans. If the Rams win and the other two lose, the Packers are out; if the Rams win and one or both of the other teams win, the Packers are in.The Packers have a better conference record (7-5) than the Rams, Falcons and Panthers and would win any tiebreaker consisting of three or more teams. If the Packers are tied solely with the Rams, they would lose out on a head-to-head tiebreaker because of a 23-20 loss earlier this year.The Packers may have caught a break in regard to the Carolina-New Orleans game. As a result of Dallas losing Monday night, the Saints clinched a first-round bye for the playoffs and have nothing to play for Sunday against the Panthers. It's possible Saints coach Sean Payton will rest his starters.Still, if the Giants don't lose to Washington, then the Packers' chances of getting in aren't very good.Here are the scenarios as spelled out by the NFL:1. Packers victory PLUS Giants victory PLUS GB clinches strength of victory tiebreaker over NYG2. Packers victory PLUS Giants loss or tie PLUS Rams loss or tie3. Packers victory PLUS Giants loss or tie PLUS Panthers victory4. Packers victory PLUS Giants loss or tie PLUS Falcons victory5. Packers tie PLUS Giants loss PLUS Rams loss PLUS Falcons loss or tie PLUS Panthers loss or tie

thanks for copying and pasting the NFL.com playoff scenarios, we couldn't all go get that through our own internet.what I posted was the Strength of Victory tiebreaker since many people were curious about that. Nothing to do with what the scenarios are, we can all read that.

 

[rhawkins68]

If the Packers beat the Bears, and the Giants beat the Skins, then the tiebreaker is strength of victory, which is the winning percentage of all the teams you have beaten.Well if they both win next week, the Packers strength of victory will be 49-69 and the Giants will be at 51-67.So the Packers would be 2 games behind, but they would need somebody they beaten to get victories next week. Those victories would have to outscore the opponents of the Giants victories by more than 3. Closer look at the Packers winsetroit - will lose to DallasMiami -will lose to IndyArizona - will lose to SDMinny - could beat StLSF - will lose to DenverDetroit - will lose to DallasMinny - could beat StLChicago - would lose to Packers if this tiebreaker would come into play-we can expect the 49-69 strength of victory to go to 51 winsCloser look at the Giants wins:Eagles - will beat Atl, doesn't matter since Atl is a victory opponent as well, this is plus 1 for sureWash - Gmen will have to beat them in order for this tiebreaker to workAtl - will lose to PhillyDal - will beat DetroitTB - lose to SeattleHous - could beat ClevelandCar - will beat NO since they will be resting starters*Wash- Gmen will have to beat them in order for this tiebreaker to work-we can expect the 51-67 strength of victory to go to 55 winsBasically the chances of GB winning the strength of victory tiebreaker is slim to none. They would need Minny to knock of St.Loo, and Detroit to knock off Dallas, along with a Houston or Carolina loss to get that tiebreaker. Green Bay needing help from Detroit and Minnesota, how ironic.Minny, Houston, Carolina scenarios could happen, but I can't see any humanly possibly way for Detroit to beat Dallas.A Giants loss is pretty much the only way GB gets in. Cause Caro should beat NO and the rest from there is up to the Packers on Sunday night.

We already know this. If the Giants lose, the Packers will need Minnesota to beat the Rams or either Atlanta to win at Philadelphia or Carolina to win at New Orleans. If the Rams win and the other two lose, the Packers are out; if the Rams win and one or both of the other teams win, the Packers are in.The Packers have a better conference record (7-5) than the Rams, Falcons and Panthers and would win any tiebreaker consisting of three or more teams. If the Packers are tied solely with the Rams, they would lose out on a head-to-head tiebreaker because of a 23-20 loss earlier this year.The Packers may have caught a break in regard to the Carolina-New Orleans game. As a result of Dallas losing Monday night, the Saints clinched a first-round bye for the playoffs and have nothing to play for Sunday against the Panthers. It's possible Saints coach Sean Payton will rest his starters.Still, if the Giants don't lose to Washington, then the Packers' chances of getting in aren't very good.Here are the scenarios as spelled out by the NFL:1. Packers victory PLUS Giants victory PLUS GB clinches strength of victory tiebreaker over NYG2. Packers victory PLUS Giants loss or tie PLUS Rams loss or tie3. Packers victory PLUS Giants loss or tie PLUS Panthers victory4. Packers victory PLUS Giants loss or tie PLUS Falcons victory5. Packers tie PLUS Giants loss PLUS Rams loss PLUS Falcons loss or tie PLUS Panthers loss or tie

thanks for copying and pasting the NFL.com playoff scenarios, we couldn't all go get that through our own internet.what I posted was the Strength of Victory tiebreaker since many people were curious about that. Nothing to do with what the scenarios are, we can all read that.

Thanks for the post from me also. I was on a slow link and would hate to have to flip to the NFL site on my phone. Nice to see what the NFL had posted.

 

[Bobcat10]

If the Packers beat the Bears, and the Giants beat the Skins, then the tiebreaker is strength of victory, which is the winning percentage of all the teams you have beaten.Well if they both win next week, the Packers strength of victory will be 49-69 and the Giants will be at 51-67.So the Packers would be 2 games behind, but they would need somebody they beaten to get victories next week. Those victories would have to outscore the opponents of the Giants victories by more than 3. Closer look at the Packers winsetroit - will lose to DallasMiami -will lose to IndyArizona - will lose to SDMinny - could beat StLSF - will lose to DenverDetroit - will lose to DallasMinny - could beat StLChicago - would lose to Packers if this tiebreaker would come into play-we can expect the 49-69 strength of victory to go to 51 winsCloser look at the Giants wins:Eagles - will beat Atl, doesn't matter since Atl is a victory opponent as well, this is plus 1 for sureWash - Gmen will have to beat them in order for this tiebreaker to workAtl - will lose to PhillyDal - will beat DetroitTB - lose to SeattleHous - could beat ClevelandCar - will beat NO since they will be resting starters*Wash- Gmen will have to beat them in order for this tiebreaker to work-we can expect the 51-67 strength of victory to go to 55 winsBasically the chances of GB winning the strength of victory tiebreaker is slim to none. They would need Minny to knock of St.Loo, and Detroit to knock off Dallas, along with a Houston or Carolina loss to get that tiebreaker. Green Bay needing help from Detroit and Minnesota, how ironic.Minny, Houston, Carolina scenarios could happen, but I can't see any humanly possibly way for Detroit to beat Dallas.A Giants loss is pretty much the only way GB gets in. Cause Caro should beat NO and the rest from there is up to the Packers on Sunday night.

We already know this. If the Giants lose, the Packers will need Minnesota to beat the Rams or either Atlanta to win at Philadelphia or Carolina to win at New Orleans. If the Rams win and the other two lose, the Packers are out; if the Rams win and one or both of the other teams win, the Packers are in.The Packers have a better conference record (7-5) than the Rams, Falcons and Panthers and would win any tiebreaker consisting of three or more teams. If the Packers are tied solely with the Rams, they would lose out on a head-to-head tiebreaker because of a 23-20 loss earlier this year.The Packers may have caught a break in regard to the Carolina-New Orleans game. As a result of Dallas losing Monday night, the Saints clinched a first-round bye for the playoffs and have nothing to play for Sunday against the Panthers. It's possible Saints coach Sean Payton will rest his starters.Still, if the Giants don't lose to Washington, then the Packers' chances of getting in aren't very good.Here are the scenarios as spelled out by the NFL:1. Packers victory PLUS Giants victory PLUS GB clinches strength of victory tiebreaker over NYG2. Packers victory PLUS Giants loss or tie PLUS Rams loss or tie3. Packers victory PLUS Giants loss or tie PLUS Panthers victory4. Packers victory PLUS Giants loss or tie PLUS Falcons victory5. Packers tie PLUS Giants loss PLUS Rams loss PLUS Falcons loss or tie PLUS Panthers loss or tie

thanks for copying and pasting the NFL.com playoff scenarios, we couldn't all go get that through our own internet.what I posted was the Strength of Victory tiebreaker since many people were curious about that. Nothing to do with what the scenarios are, we can all read that.

Thanks for the post from me also. I was on a slow link and would hate to have to flip to the NFL site on my phone. Nice to see what the NFL had posted.

 

[Traders2001]

What you dont get is the Giants cant beat anybody , they became troughout the season a real joke . So they will lose case closed .

I seriouslt hope they dont make the playoffs it would be a shame for the NFL to have such a team in the playoffs .

No QB , NO Running game , no defense . And more so no leadership or discipline .