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Ignoramus
Footballguy
I feel like I scrolled through twenty pages of stupid and never saw the one reply you were referencing.
El Floppo
Footballguy
I'll give you a tissue? Did it get better after that?
That was a lot of scrolling through pointless.
the rover
Footballguy
Hawks64
Footballguy
General Malaise
Footballguy
Ignoramus
Footballguy
I feel like I scrolled through twenty pages of stupid and never saw the one reply you were referencing.
@Memphis Foundry
So I posted this earlier but when I go to reply to thread (not quote a new post) this still appears in my reply box.
Ignoramus
Footballguy
I feel like I scrolled through twenty pages of stupid and never saw the one reply you were referencing.
@Memphis Foundry
So I posted this earlier but when I go to reply to thread (not quote a new post) this still appears in my reply box.
And again...
shuke
Black Ice Skeptic
My son will be in 9th grade next year. He just started taking band last year and he has some interest in the marching band.
We went to an information session about it tonight.
HOLY CRAP that is a commitment. From July to November, 6-9 PM three weeknights a week, plus the games and all the competition stuff. Plus 4 full weeks of band "camp" during the summer. Plus percussion has additional practices starting this month. I don't want to dissuade him, but seriously?
We went to an information session about it tonight.
HOLY CRAP that is a commitment. From July to November, 6-9 PM three weeknights a week, plus the games and all the competition stuff. Plus 4 full weeks of band "camp" during the summer. Plus percussion has additional practices starting this month. I don't want to dissuade him, but seriously?
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El Floppo
Footballguy
Honest question...what were you expecting?
And hell yeah band camp. That's where they have sex and stuff, right?
Rustoleum
Footballguy
Seriously. And then they probably have winter percussion as an option. I feel like I spend half my life picking my kids up from band. But, if this is a larger school, he will pretty much instantly build a solid social support system. At least that has been my kids’ experience in a school of over 1500 students with a similar sounding commitment level required for marching band.
Dan Lambskin
Footballguy
Epic Problem
Footballguy
And you know what they probably left out.... all of the fundraising that comes along with it
shuke
Black Ice Skeptic
I don't think it's an actual camp. They just have to go up to the high school every day from dawn to dusk.
General Malaise
Footballguy
cosjobs
Footballguy
Tecumseh
Footballguy
It's a serious commitment. Thank Jeebus my kid got her license this year. The worst part was having to pick her up after an away game that was played on the other side of town. Sometimes midnight or later, waiting on the buses to roll in and for them to put all their #### away.shuke said:
Binky The Doormat
Footballguy
I'm doing that now with my daughter's DEBATE TEAM. And they are horrible about communicating on when they are arriving. Yeah, that's right ...debate team. They a have school bus full of kids going to debate tournaments. She loves it, so we are all in - but they are also flying places for tournaments. School pays for zip, pretty hefty rabbit punch to the wallet.
The coach is wanting her to go to a 7-week debate camp at University of Meechigan this summer. Crazy.
I will say marching band was an awesome experience for my son.shuke said:
Band camp - in Houston, in August, well my son got in great shape and went from slim to skinny that summer. And yes, every Friday night football game, pickups at midnight (or later). Competitions, band trips, it is a massive commitment. And that's even before they get you to the parent meeting and tell you about all the money they are going to want from you. I was super skeptical, but he wanted to do it and he has a group of 15-20 friends to this day 5 years later that is super tight. All good kids, good grades, good schools after HS, etc... He comes home from college when there is a major band competition to watch his friends that are still in high school march. It really broke him out of his shell so to speak as he went from a few close friends, to honestly, I go out in public with him and I'd say every other time we are out someone will come up to him and say hi, or he will say hello to someone he knows.
My daughter is going into 9th grade next year. She is already in band as a top chair, so pressure is strong to join marching band.....oh and she will be playing soccer
Really glad she is our last. Really sad she is our last.g'luck
berndog
Footballguy
I will echo everyone else’s comments on marching band. It is a huge commitment for the parents but the kids love it. My son continued marching in college at has really helped his transition. He plays at all the home football games and travels to some of the away games also. The band is going to France this summer and will play at D-Day remembrances and at the Eiffel Tower.
I knew nothing about marching band when he started but will say it has been great for him. I was skeptical and made snide remarks at the start but call me converted now as I have seen the light.
I knew nothing about marching band when he started but will say it has been great for him. I was skeptical and made snide remarks at the start but call me converted now as I have seen the light.
OrtonToOlsen
Footballguy
Man, whatever happened to just getting high and watching MTV after school?
-fish-
Footballguy
roadkill1292
Footballguy
The consequences of falling behind in our economy have become too great.
1972 roadkill would never have made it in 2019, the slacker.
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El Floppo
Footballguy
roadkill1292
Footballguy
Dag nabbit, Slovakian John was helping me with a file conversion issue and I forgot to post a tl;dr. But a really short summary is:
Because of a far greater inequality of incomes in the U.S. and a far less encompassing social safety net, American parents are far more attentive and controlling than Swedish parents, whose primary objective for their kids is expression of individuality and happiness. There isn't nearly as much fear for their kids if they're not Super Elite Upper Tier students and athletes and marching band members.
Stoneys
MudCat
My sister in law was interviewed by CNN a few weeks ago for her work with her company in their fight on the Opiod Epidemic. We finally got the air date which is today at 4pm. If you are so inclined to catch some of it.
My wife quit her job 2 years ago to become the Office Admin Director of the company.
https://twitter.com/CNNNewsource/status/1093227386978664448
sorry for the humblebrag, but i am so proud of them for what they are doing.
My wife quit her job 2 years ago to become the Office Admin Director of the company.
https://twitter.com/CNNNewsource/status/1093227386978664448
sorry for the humblebrag, but i am so proud of them for what they are doing.
El Floppo
Footballguy
ah- sorry. writing's not my thing either.
I meant the book looks like an interesting read... I did read/skim the article you posted- thanks!
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Debate is awesome. That sucks that the school isn't paying for anything though. Only thing I ever paid for was part of debate camp (rest was covered by fundraising).
And UM is definitely the best debate camp in the country. She must be pretty good if she's able to get into the 7 week program. Spent a few summers there myself. I was pretty straightlaced, but the now perception of "band camp" is probably pretty accurate for debate camp as well...
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Been a lot of hurting in this thread for a while, including plenty of my own over the years. So allow me to post a moment of pure joy. This is the prom for folks with special needs that my church put on last year in partnership with the Tim Tebow Foundation: Video.
Last year we had about 70 guests plus their parents/caregivers. This year we had to upgrade to a larger (nicer) venue because we currently have 130 guests with a waiting list of 10+ more. We literally have more volunteers helping for the event than people that go to our cburch. We have a great DJ, dinner catered by the venue, limo rides, makeup and hair artists for touchups, a shoeshine station, a selfie booth and a professional photographer so that every guest gets to leave with a framed "prom" photo of themselves, and a visit from the Philly Fanatic. It's this Friday night and I'm incredibly pumped.
Last year we had about 70 guests plus their parents/caregivers. This year we had to upgrade to a larger (nicer) venue because we currently have 130 guests with a waiting list of 10+ more. We literally have more volunteers helping for the event than people that go to our cburch. We have a great DJ, dinner catered by the venue, limo rides, makeup and hair artists for touchups, a shoeshine station, a selfie booth and a professional photographer so that every guest gets to leave with a framed "prom" photo of themselves, and a visit from the Philly Fanatic. It's this Friday night and I'm incredibly pumped.
Binky The Doormat
Footballguy
wow - grove, thanks on behalf of my daughter. She's only been at since the start of school, she's a freshman. They are going to UC Berkley next week for some big tournament. What I don't like is that it isn't the kind of activity that parents go watch ...I mean none of them. Hell, as I understand it, the coaches aren't really there for most of the matches (too many going on at once).
The rules, and language is also incredibly confusing. I have looked on the internet and though there is a lot out there - not much seems to be a lot of help. Have any ideas for the novice? I'd like to better keep up with her conversations about it.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Yeah, debate isn't really a spectator activity for the most part. I don't think there's any rules against it though unless that's changed. There were always plenty of other debaters and coaches in later tournament rounds when I did it. My parents never saw match though and I kind of regret it because that was largely at my request. At the minimum I wish that I had asked them to come watch a mock debate where we practiced internally.
Since she is looking at the 7 week camp, I'm assuming she is in policy debate rather than Lincoln Douglas. So that means she has a teammate.
The general structure is that there is a single policy topic to debate all year across the entire country. For each round, one team (the Affirmative team) presents a policy proposal on that topic providing reasons why their law is required, what it does, and what the benefits are. The other team (Negative team) argues against the proposed legislation trying to either demonstrate that it's not even part of the required policy to discuss for that year, or that the legislation would cause adverse consequences that outweighs the positives.
Each team alternates sides and partners with each partner speaking twice. Teams provide evidence and cite articles, news, research publications, etc. along with making logical arguments. Teams also have a period where they get to question the person on the other team who just presented their arguments.
At the end, a judge that was assigned to the round chooses the winner based on the arguments made as well as ranks the quality of each speaker during the match.
Binky The Doormat
Footballguy
Yes - it's policy, this year it is about immigration. She has a primary partner - both are freshmen. She's like you, in that she doesn't want us to watch ...she feels it will throw her off. Thanks Grove!
Tecumseh
Footballguy
My kid played the New Years parade in London this past year, and they also spent time in Paris. She's hoping to make tOSU marching band, but she doesn't even play an instrument in the band (she's a saxophone, and tOSU is brass and percussion only). She seems to think she can become proficient enough on a trumpet in the next year to 18mths, but I have serious doubts.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Funny, Immigration was the topic in my first year as well.
If it's her first year, she may be in "novice" debate which means she's actually on a team of 4 broken into 2 pairs. One pair is the "Affirmative" and argues that side in every match against other novice "Neg" teams and vice versa.
If you're really curious as to what it looks like, maybe reach out to the debate coach and see if other teams would be willing to let you see them in a mock debate sometime. Eventually your daughter may be willing to let you see her. If the teams are any good, you'll understand about every 5th word. Listening to top tier debaters is like listening to auctioneers argue.
I almost forgot the most important part: at the end of each debate, you have to sign your pocket protector and exchange them with the other team.
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Binky The Doormat
Footballguy
Her debate shorthand speak is like a foreign language. That's a great idea on watching others!
And yeah, most of the kids look super-nerdy.
urbanhack
Fight The Power!
Rustoleum
Footballguy
Better shot at mellophone I would think. Less top tier competition.
Related: My son (also a sax player) had picked up my trumpet and was playing it in pep band at basketball games, probably because I used to tease him about not liking to play the melody. Band director though he was faking until he walked right up to listen, then told him he was marching mellophone because they needed players for the next years show. He also kicked around the idea of trying out for a drum corps and that was the same advice some other experienced assistants gave him.
urbanhack
Fight The Power!
mr. furley
Footballguy
heckmanm
Footballguy
Henry Ford
Footballguy
I don’t know anything about band camps, but if her coach wants to send her to UMich Debate Camp for the seven week version, she’s probably very, very good.
It’s a pretty prestigious feather for the cap. It’s considered either the top or certainly top-3 in the country for the entire discipline.
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Henry Ford
Footballguy
I don’t know if you know anything about it, but it’s one of those things where if she gets in and she loves speech and debate, she should go.
OrtonToOlsen
Footballguy
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Yeah, the UM debate team is consistently one of the tops in the country. At the camp, they routinely have college national champions as camp staff. The faculty are top notch as well. My senior year I had Harvard's debate coach as my team leader.
If she gets the opportunity, every possible effort should be made to get her there.
