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RC94 said:
I am in the same boat.  It's been a problem for me for a long time and the only thing that works for me is sleeping pills.  It doesn't always work, and when it does I still usually only get about 5 hours, but it's better than nothing.  I have to take more pills than the recommended amount to have any hope of falling asleep at all, but sleep is good.
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This is what's worked best for me, but when it backfires it's like meth. I'm hyper. When it works, it's pretty good but I have a groggy stage for an hour or so after waking. Not that big of a deal and worth it for the sleep so I'll pick up a bottle today. I found some in the house last night but it had a expired a year ago and I didn't like what I read about this particular product expiring. Definitely taking a couple tonight. I ended up with three one hour sleep sessions, best I can tell. I feel fine this morning. I've been "doing things" since 6am. 

I do love my morning coffee. I even get the lack of caffeine headaches when I go without so there's a little addiction there. Stopping morning coffee has never made a difference in my sleep habits. I've never been one to drink it after about 9am.

 
bostonfred said:
It sounds like you have been rewarding your insomnia and literally training yourself not to sleep. 

This is what it sounds like you me when i read what you said

1) Most of my best ideas, best work, and education has come in the wee hours anyway.

Your mind is now looking forward to late night so you can get these ideas, get work done, and learn things.  It's a reward for being awake. 

2) Typically I'll stay in bed and watch or read some good non-fiction - straight - through - the - night.

You've created a pattern for your body and mind to follow.  Stay awake, and i get to watch tv. Watch tv, i get endorphins.  Stay awake, i get endorphins.  Go to sleep, no endorphins. Stay awake!

3) The last two nights I could not stay in bed. I bolted out, cleaned house, shot hoops from 3-4am, went for a swim, went through every drawer in the house organizing, took the car out for a random cruise. All of this done in a sort of wired angry manner.

Your body is craving stimulation and is getting anxious because it's not receiving it. You're like an addict. 

The way I would break that cycle is to exercise as much as I can handle until my body is physically exhausted.  Put aside all entertainment.  Get the tv out of the room.  Literally out of the room.  

Force myself to stay in bed until morning. If i can't sleep, or sleep and wake up, i will hate just lying there for hours.  That's good.   I'm training my mind and body to hate it.  I'm not rewarding being awake, I'm penalizing it.  And like an addict I know I will relapse when I'm weak, so get the temptation out of the room. Break the cycle. 

Then do it again.  

When i say exercise to exhaustion, I mean I would cancel all plans, get someone else to watch the kids, and get on the treadmill and walk for 3 hours. Maybe run some, but mostly walk. Uphill at 3.5 mph or faster if I'm able.  I'm not talking about a good workout, just a long one.  I don't care if my muscles are sore or my heart rate was high, I care about burning off my glycogen stores. Walk around the mall.  Walk up and down stairs.  As much constant steady movement as i can handle safely. 

But that's just me. 

I get that you've heard this before but you've been breaking the rules.

 disclaimer

i am not a doctor and this is not medical advice.  Talk to a doctor.
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I have seen more than one doctor on the issue over the years. I've seen a Naturopath too. She was hot and dumb and smart and I wish she helped me. In the insomnia thread here you'll see me advising almost word for word what you've suggested about exercise. Yesterday morning I jogged 2.5 miles up a desert incline and walked back to my car. I had dinner plans cancel so I went again at 4 this time walking up the hill and jogging back to the car. I swam for 30 minutes. I did a hiit routine with exercise bands (like weightlifting racing), I shot about 100 three pointers, and I went for a four mile walk at 2am. That's 14 miles, lifting, playing and swimming. I'm 55. I think that's about enough. It did nothing to touch this new type of sleeplessness. Which feels stressed compared to past issues. 

I do like the analysis of how I've fed the problem. There hasn't been a tv in my bedroom for years. I use a tablet in bed. If I leave it somewhere else, I'll end up in front of the tv or this monitor. It's not that big a house and I can't really trick myself about the location of media consumption devices. I've tried. I would respectfully disagree with the idea my mind is looking forward to the insomnia. I want a good night's sleep, every night, sometimes desperately. There's surly some truth to your suggestion of me creating unhealthy patterns though. Good stuff. I will think on it, but the otc drug will probably end this tonight because I slept in three sessions last night between 45 minutes and an hour and a half each. So that's not good, but it's something.

Thanks.

 
RedmondLonghorn said:
Not quite. It's un-#######-believable. There is some new little problem or delay EVERY SINGLE DAY.

But we are close.
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When I sold my business and decided to quit working for awhile because I could, I was talked into flipping houses with a "family" team. Oof. Never again. I might buy something locally to have a place and a project to flip, but nothing that needs major renovations... ever again.

 
Chaos Commish said:
When I sold my business and decided to quit working for awhile because I could, I was talked into flipping houses with a "family" team. Oof. Never again. I might buy something locally to have a place and a project to flip, but nothing that needs major renovations... ever again.
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Where were you with this fine advice a year ago?!?!

 
Chaos Commish said:
I have seen more than one doctor on the issue over the years. I've seen a Naturopath too. She was hot and dumb and smart and I wish she helped me. In the insomnia thread here you'll see me advising almost word for word what you've suggested about exercise. Yesterday morning I jogged 2.5 miles up a desert incline and walked back to my car. I had dinner plans cancel so I went again at 4 this time walking up the hill and jogging back to the car. I swam for 30 minutes. I did a hiit routine with exercise bands (like weightlifting racing), I shot about 100 three pointers, and I went for a four mile walk at 2am. That's 14 miles, lifting, playing and swimming. I'm 55. I think that's about enough. It did nothing to touch this new type of sleeplessness. Which feels stressed compared to past issues. 

I do like the analysis of how I've fed the problem. There hasn't been a tv in my bedroom for years. I use a tablet in bed. If I leave it somewhere else, I'll end up in front of the tv or this monitor. It's not that big a house and I can't really trick myself about the location of media consumption devices. I've tried. I would respectfully disagree with the idea my mind is looking forward to the insomnia. I want a good night's sleep, every night, sometimes desperately. There's surly some truth to your suggestion of me creating unhealthy patterns though. Good stuff. I will think on it, but the otc drug will probably end this tonight because I slept in three sessions last night between 45 minutes and an hour and a half each. So that's not good, but it's something.

Thanks.
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Just get married again and be miserable.  You'll long to go to sleep every day.

 
Chaos Commish said:
I use a tablet in bed. If I leave it somewhere else, I'll end up in front of the tv or this monitor. It's not that big a house and I can't really trick myself about the location of media consumption devices. I've tried. I would respectfully disagree with the idea my mind is looking forward to the insomnia. I want a good night's sleep, every night, sometimes desperately.
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It's not about tricking yourself into not knowing where it is,  it's about making it more difficult to get it  You can have all the willpower you want when you're going to bed but when your monkey brain says oh ill just check email one more time your hand almost involuntarily reaches out for that tablet or the tv remote or whatever.  But when you have to walk into the other room to watch tv your human brain had a chance to say no I'm staying in bed. 

Also try ####### with the heat. If it's warm you might fall asleep faster. If it's cold you might be less inclined to move the covers and get out of bed, and after a while your monkey brain will stop trying to make you move and get cold again. 

Dump legos on the floor between the bed and the door.  

If all else fails try this.  If you have to wake up at 6, set the alarm for 545 then rub one out. Do that a few days in a row and the alarm clock app in your brain will be like oooh almost time for a jerk. You can tell the wife it's doctor's orders.  But you would be lying.  Because i am not a doctor, and this is not medical advice.  Talk to a doctor. 

 
I got a full 4 hours of sleep last night so I was awake early and was ready to go.  It was so early that I got bored, so I followed joggers around in the car while blasting “Eye of the Tiger” for encouragement.

 
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By the way if any of you insomniacs wake up in the middle of the night and have a drink orJack it so you can fall back asleep then wonder why you keep waking up in the middle of the night think about it. You're rewarding the wrong behaviour. 

 
General Malaise said:
If only there were certain strands of medical marijuana engineered to make you fall asleep.....
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 #### that. That's how you get psychologically addicted. Can't sleep without my pot.  Its not physical addiction, it's that your brain wants its treat and you've trained your brain to wait for it. 

 
Vacation approved for early December. Will be serving as Vegas tour guide for possibly half a dozen people.

Awaiting the inevitable intervention from my family. 

 
bostonfred said:
 #### that. That's how you get psychologically addicted. Can't sleep without my pot.  Its not physical addiction, it's that your brain wants its treat and you've trained your brain to wait for it. 
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#### you, fake doctor.  I'm not the one having trouble going to sleep every night.

 
bostonfred said:
By the way if any of you insomniacs wake up in the middle of the night and have a drink orJack it so you can fall back asleep then wonder why you keep waking up in the middle of the night think about it. You're rewarding the wrong behaviour. 
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i don 't do that.   i punish myself by doing lines of coke and watching Golden Girls re-runs

 
Chaos Commish said:
Probably not wise to walk the desert at night, but I think I'm headed out a couple miles to look at the stars. The dog will likely find some nocturnal danger. 1:47 am. 
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I went for a run Thursday night, and as I crossed the dimly lit, infrequently traveled street ours intersects, my stride damn near landed me on top of the biggest snake I've ever seen outside a zoo.  Scared the living hell out of me, 'cause I had no idea it was there until it was almost too late.  I didn't have the stones or bladder control to go back and see if it was a rattler.  I don't want to know. 

 
Looks like I might actually be headed to Austin/Houston after all for some field data collection and training.  My schedule is changing daily right now.  Pretty sure I'll be in Winchester, VA tomorrow, but after that, who knows.

 
Bob Sacamano said:
I went for a run Thursday night, and as I crossed the dimly lit, infrequently traveled street ours intersects, my stride damn near landed me on top of the biggest snake I've ever seen outside a zoo.  Scared the living hell out of me, 'cause I had no idea it was there until it was almost too late.  I didn't have the stones or bladder control to go back and see if it was a rattler.  I don't want to know. 
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Whelp, there goes any thought to retiring to Arizona.  My god.

 
bostonfred said:
It's not about tricking yourself into not knowing where it is,  it's about making it more difficult to get it  You can have all the willpower you want when you're going to bed but when your monkey brain says oh ill just check email one more time your hand almost involuntarily reaches out for that tablet or the tv remote or whatever.  But when you have to walk into the other room to watch tv your human brain had a chance to say no I'm staying in bed. 

Also try ####### with the heat. If it's warm you might fall asleep faster. If it's cold you might be less inclined to move the covers and get out of bed, and after a while your monkey brain will stop trying to make you move and get cold again. 

Dump legos on the floor between the bed and the door.  

If all else fails try this.  If you have to wake up at 6, set the alarm for 545 then rub one out. Do that a few days in a row and the alarm clock app in your brain will be like oooh almost time for a jerk. You can tell the wife it's doctor's orders.  But you would be lying.  Because i am not a doctor, and this is not medical advice.  Talk to a doctor. 
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Go out and act like a kid. Wipe your nose on your sleeve, eat Cheerios out of a baggie, touch a urinal then touch your face. Ride the back of a dog and pretend it's a pony, get an ear infection. Spit on a jellyfish, get a stuffed rabbit and name it Rabbito, touch ####### with a neighbor boy.

 
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Henry Kissinger
How I'm missing yer
You're so chubby and so neat
With your funny clothes and your squishy nose
You're like a German parakeet
All right so people say that you don't care
But you've got nicer legs than Hitler
And bigger #### than Cher

 
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