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what's the etiquette/policy with headhunters... they've been great about working with me to package myself (portfolio, resume, scarves, etc) and to get my stuff out to the right/best people (package went out today) but I need a job stat. 

ok to answer ads while they're doing their thing, or should I give them a bit of time to do their thing before I start sending out in case I'm overlapping with the places they're submitting me to? I like having somebody else who advocates and benefits from my getting paid the max possible (about $3.55/hour) so I don't have to come out on the losing side of a negotiation because I'm uncertain of the going rate.

part duh- I had a small personal relationship with one of the clients at my recent office who's hesitance to pull the trigger helped facilitate my demise there. our son's are the same age and he used to go the school floppinho previously went to- no overlap, but we'd previously had discussions about kids, school, life outside of just being a guy designing her place. she's flaky, but the project (if it ever happens) should be a really nice size and right in my wheelhouse architecturally... I'm debating trying to poach it. the fees would keep me afloat for a couple years and could potentially lead to more clients (which is how I used to operate) but would definitely burn the bridge with my former office. emphasis on former. the place that just gave me the heave-ho.

 
El Floppo said:
what's the etiquette/policy with headhunters... they've been great about working with me to package myself (portfolio, resume, scarves, etc) and to get my stuff out to the right/best people (package went out today) but I need a job stat. 

ok to answer ads while they're doing their thing, or should I give them a bit of time to do their thing before I start sending out in case I'm overlapping with the places they're submitting me to? I like having somebody else who advocates and benefits from my getting paid the max possible (about $3.55/hour) so I don't have to come out on the losing side of a negotiation because I'm uncertain of the going rate.

part duh- I had a small personal relationship with one of the clients at my recent office who's hesitance to pull the trigger helped facilitate my demise there. our son's are the same age and he used to go the school floppinho previously went to- no overlap, but we'd previously had discussions about kids, school, life outside of just being a guy designing her place. she's flaky, but the project (if it ever happens) should be a really nice size and right in my wheelhouse architecturally... I'm debating trying to poach it. the fees would keep me afloat for a couple years and could potentially lead to more clients (which is how I used to operate) but would definitely burn the bridge with my former office. emphasis on former. the place that just gave me the heave-ho.
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Get as many irons in the fire as you can

As nice as they seem they don't give an F about you... they just want to place you and have you last for 3 months so they can get their 20%

 
El Floppo said:
what's the etiquette/policy with headhunters... they've been great about working with me to package myself (portfolio, resume, scarves, etc) and to get my stuff out to the right/best people (package went out today) but I need a job stat. 

ok to answer ads while they're doing their thing, or should I give them a bit of time to do their thing before I start sending out in case I'm overlapping with the places they're submitting me to? I like having somebody else who advocates and benefits from my getting paid the max possible (about $3.55/hour) so I don't have to come out on the losing side of a negotiation because I'm uncertain of the going rate.

part duh- I had a small personal relationship with one of the clients at my recent office who's hesitance to pull the trigger helped facilitate my demise there. our son's are the same age and he used to go the school floppinho previously went to- no overlap, but we'd previously had discussions about kids, school, life outside of just being a guy designing her place. she's flaky, but the project (if it ever happens) should be a really nice size and right in my wheelhouse architecturally... I'm debating trying to poach it. the fees would keep me afloat for a couple years and could potentially lead to more clients (which is how I used to operate) but would definitely burn the bridge with my former office. emphasis on former. the place that just gave me the heave-ho.
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I would definitely look on your own as well as speak with headhunters.  Most headhunters are a dime a dozen, but if you found a good one who has helped you and is bringing good opportunities to you, I would ask them if they have a relationship with the company with the opportunity you found on your own.  If they do, you can mention it to them and see if it would be mutually beneficial to have them submit your resume for that opportunity.  If not, then definitely submit your resume on your own.  You need to find a job ASAP so you need to cover ALL of your bases.  Any headhunter worth anything will still want a relationship with you since you will then be a potential hiring manager.  In my experience, good headhunters will encourage you to apply for those jobs they can't help you with.

As far as your former company and poaching clients, I also wouldn't worry about them and what they think.  They kicked you to the curb and you owe them absolutely nothing.  I don't care how nice they were when they did it, the fact is that you are unemployed and they are the ones who made it so.  Plus, as you mentioned, if that work will sustain you for a long time, it gives you the money you can use to start your own firm and find additional clients.  If you can do it right, working for yourself (or with a partner or 2) is the best way to go IMO.  You can't get laid off if you are the owner.  Besides, who owns the relationship with that client?  If it was your relationship that got your former company in the door, it's your project more than theirs anyway.

If the client decides to do that work with your former company, would they bring you back on board to work on it?  If so, will it be a long term job, or would you expect them to lay people off again once the project is done?  If they bring you back but it's still not a good long term opportunity, I certainly wouldn't go back and work on the job with them if you can instead win it on your own and do it on your own.

 
El Floppo said:
what's the etiquette/policy with headhunters... they've been great about working with me to package myself (portfolio, resume, scarves, etc) and to get my stuff out to the right/best people (package went out today) but I need a job stat. 

ok to answer ads while they're doing their thing, or should I give them a bit of time to do their thing before I start sending out in case I'm overlapping with the places they're submitting me to? I like having somebody else who advocates and benefits from my getting paid the max possible (about $3.55/hour) so I don't have to come out on the losing side of a negotiation because I'm uncertain of the going rate.

part duh- I had a small personal relationship with one of the clients at my recent office who's hesitance to pull the trigger helped facilitate my demise there. our son's are the same age and he used to go the school floppinho previously went to- no overlap, but we'd previously had discussions about kids, school, life outside of just being a guy designing her place. she's flaky, but the project (if it ever happens) should be a really nice size and right in my wheelhouse architecturally... I'm debating trying to poach it. the fees would keep me afloat for a couple years and could potentially lead to more clients (which is how I used to operate) but would definitely burn the bridge with my former office. emphasis on former. the place that just gave me the heave-ho.
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to part duh - if you didnt' sign a non-compete wtf not give it a go? The actual real law folks in here may have better advice than I but that's what I'd do.

 
I forgot about a non-compete agreement.  If you signed one, I would make sure what it covers before going after any of their clients.

 
RC94 said:
I forgot about a non-compete agreement.  If you signed one, I would make sure what it covers before going after any of their clients.
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Well maybe since they didn't sign to do the work it wouldn't be stealing a client?!? I'll leave to the GMTAN lawyguys to figure out.

 
If theres no non-compete then theres no good reason not to at least do some checking in with the former "almost client", imo.  As other have mentioned....you gotta eat.  If you're free and clear from any non-compete, then your responsibility to your old company ended the moment they walked you out.   

If that "almost client" showed up at your old office in a week ready to sign off on a contract, would they hesitate at all to do the work even though you basically facilitated it?

 
Happy drinks everyone!  I'm up in mammoth skiing for the week and it's f'ing awesome!  My kid's a crack up and I love skiing with her.  All is well.   Carry on, look at me  

 
RC94 said:
I forgot about a non-compete agreement.  If you signed one, I would make sure what it covers before going after any of their clients.
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No non-compete. No signatures or contracts of any kind.

Hawks64 said:
Well maybe since they didn't sign to do the work it wouldn't be stealing a client?!? I'll leave to the GMTAN lawyguys to figure out.
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Kind of my thought too.

5-ish Finkle said:
If theres no non-compete then theres no good reason not to at least do some checking in with the former "almost client", imo.  As other have mentioned....you gotta eat.  If you're free and clear from any non-compete, then your responsibility to your old company ended the moment they walked you out.   

If that "almost client" showed up at your old office in a week ready to sign off on a contract, would they hesitate at all to do the work even though you basically facilitated it?
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Fwiw, I didn't bring the client in. I was the PM on a first version of her apt Reno several years ago that she eventually stopped work on when she bought a place in a new development with the idea of moving there. We got to know eachother during this time.

The office could have let me go right then and there as there wasn't any other billable work for me- but they actually kept me around for several months working on random, non-billable, but useful stuff. They've essential done the same thing recently because they didn't want to lose me... up until they cut the cord last week.

I'm actually still appreciative of the loyalty and respect they previously showed me... but also still out of a job.

Dunno why, but I was actually expecting immediate day-of replies to my CV and portfolio...a little freaked with the one day silence.

 
El Floppo said:
No non-compete. No signatures or contracts of any kind.

Kind of my thought too.

Fwiw, I didn't bring the client in. I was the PM on a first version of her apt Reno several years ago that she eventually stopped work on when she bought a place in a new development with the idea of moving there. We got to know eachother during this time.

The office could have let me go right then and there as there wasn't any other billable work for me- but they actually kept me around for several months working on random, non-billable, but useful stuff. They've essential done the same thing recently because they didn't want to lose me... up until they cut the cord last week.

I'm actually still appreciative of the loyalty and respect they previously showed me... but also still out of a job.

Dunno why, but I was actually expecting immediate day-of replies to my CV and portfolio...a little freaked with the one day silence.
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I don't know about the field of scarf wearing architects, but 2 weeks would seem customary to me especially with T-giving this week.  Lots of people out, lots of people don't want to do anything this week.  Then when they come in next week, they do their real work Monday before looking at resumes on Tuesday (and that's the best case scenario).  Maybe the headhunter can speed that up a tad, but they'd have to be a real go getter.

 
am i the only one hearing this car dealership commercial with Eric Dickerson as the spokesman where the tagline is something like "come test drive a Mustang and tell them E.D. sent you?"

that's clearly targeted at middle aged men, right? and just a subtle way to say "come buy a penis car for your midlife crisis", right??

 
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