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[Mr. Pickles]

I realize I'm unlikely to get any sympathy for this.I'm so mentally, emotionally, and physically at the end of my rope with my job that Mr. krista and I discussed last night the idea that I might quit, giving a month's notice or some such, without looking for a new job first. This would entail giving up large amount of $$$ to which I'd be entitled in March. I had the Amazon interviews but otherwise haven't really pursued anything, but I'm not sure I can make it much longer.I've never worked in a place as dysfunctional, with so many people who are completely unable to do their jobs and spend about 99% of their time attempting to cover their asses instead. Everything I do is 1000 times more of a struggle than it should be, in terms of getting people to work together as a team, working toward the same goal. I work regularly with people who have absolutely no idea what they're doing, and sadly there isn't a disincentive for this. For three years I've beat the drum for at least some performance basis to our compensation, but my company just can't get there, and ceaseless, unrelenting cost-cutting means we are constantly overperforming with fewer and fewer resources. Ugh, I realize I'm not explaining this well. Simply put, I can't do anything more to protect the company, some of our senior management, and our owners from themselves. I sleep a few hours a night and my health is a complete wreck--not to mention my mental state--and things go further and further in the wrong direction every minute of every day. The company's results are heading in the wrong direction, and the good and now some of the bad rats are leaving the sinking ship. I've stuck it out as long as I have because I love my team, my boss (I realize no one ever says that!) and most of the legal department. We're very high-functioning but need help and support that is never going to be there.I've worked very, very hard in my entire career. I've never hesitated on long hours and personal sacrifices--I've not only regularly worked 50+ hours straight or 400 hours in a month in my jobs, but I've dialed in for conference calls from my dad's funeral. My dear grandmother committed suicide and, while she was in a coma, I ran back to Chicago to work for a day after getting "the call" only to return and find she had died overnight. I've never done this because of money but because I simply don't know how else to work or a way to give less than 100% to something. Money comes as an unnecessary bonus to working the only way I know how, and even then I "invest" it unwisely--as much as we joke about it, our Central American empire exists mostly to provide good jobs to Nicaraguans who need them. So the time and sacrifice is not the issue, but the inability to make any difference and the inequity of watching people coast by when my team and I might quite literally be killing ourselves isn't something that I feel like I can continue to survive. I'm at the end of my ####### rope.I just needed to type that.

Quit. There is a horrendously cliched line I could float here, but I've banned it from personal use -- you can infer it. There is nothing so important that you have to sacrifice your mental and physical health for it. Walk away.

 

[krista4]

I realize I'm unlikely to get any sympathy for this.

I'm so mentally, emotionally, and physically at the end of my rope with my job that Mr. krista and I discussed last night the idea that I might quit, giving a month's notice or some such, without looking for a new job first. This would entail giving up large amount of $$$ to which I'd be entitled in March. I had the Amazon interviews but otherwise haven't really pursued anything, but I'm not sure I can make it much longer.

I've never worked in a place as dysfunctional, with so many people who are completely unable to do their jobs and spend about 99% of their time attempting to cover their asses instead. Everything I do is 1000 times more of a struggle than it should be, in terms of getting people to work together as a team, working toward the same goal. I work regularly with people who have absolutely no idea what they're doing, and sadly there isn't a disincentive for this. For three years I've beat the drum for at least some performance basis to our compensation, but my company just can't get there, and ceaseless, unrelenting cost-cutting means we are constantly overperforming with fewer and fewer resources.

Ugh, I realize I'm not explaining this well. Simply put, I can't do anything more to protect the company, some of our senior management, and our owners from themselves. I sleep a few hours a night and my health is a complete wreck--not to mention my mental state--and things go further and further in the wrong direction every minute of every day. The company's results are heading in the wrong direction, and the good and now some of the bad rats are leaving the sinking ship. I've stuck it out as long as I have because I love my team, my boss (I realize no one ever says that!) and most of the legal department. We're very high-functioning but need help and support that is never going to be there.

I've worked very, very hard in my entire career. I've never hesitated on long hours and personal sacrifices--I've not only regularly worked 50+ hours straight in my jobs, but I've dialed in for conference calls from my dad's funeral. My dear grandmother committed suicide and, while she was in a coma, I ran back to Chicago to work for a day after getting "the call" only to return and find she had died overnight. I've never done this because of money but because I simply don't know how else to work or a way to give less than 100% to something. Money comes as an unnecessary bonus to working the only way I know how, and even then I "invest" it unwisely--as much as we joke about it, our Central American empire exists mostly to provide good jobs to Nicaraguans who need them. So the time and sacrifice is not the issue, but the inability to make any difference and the inequity of watching people coast by when my team and I might quite literally be killing ourselves isn't something that I feel like I can continue to survive.

I'm at the end of my ####### rope.

I just needed to type that.

I distinctly remember whining to GB K4 about my job earlier this year, specifically work/life balance, obliquely the dysfunction of the company. Now granted, my stress level at the time is a bit different from your workplace issues, but we both have heavy responsibility executive [pretentious] positions that require 70 {hour] work weeks and oh by the way we're the respective voice of sanity in our ####ed up worlds.I believe the response I got was something along the lines of "And? Sorry, did something change? Is this not what you expected and knew it would be?" I didn't save it since we have limited PM space, but the gist of it was shaddup and quit acting like you're a 9 to 5er.

You're welcome.

Thanks for your input. That was not my reply, and if you think work/life balance is what I'm talking about, then you didn't read what I posted. In fact, something did change and has changed. Sorry I didn't seem sympathetic enough to your hours! Thanks again!

 

[BobbyLayne]

BTW, this is some thread over in TSP. Please interpret.

 

[St. Louis Bob]

Damn, sorry GBK4. :(

 

[krista4]

I realize I'm unlikely to get any sympathy for this.I'm so mentally, emotionally, and physically at the end of my rope with my job that Mr. krista and I discussed last night the idea that I might quit, giving a month's notice or some such, without looking for a new job first. This would entail giving up large amount of $$$ to which I'd be entitled in March. I had the Amazon interviews but otherwise haven't really pursued anything, but I'm not sure I can make it much longer.I've never worked in a place as dysfunctional, with so many people who are completely unable to do their jobs and spend about 99% of their time attempting to cover their asses instead. Everything I do is 1000 times more of a struggle than it should be, in terms of getting people to work together as a team, working toward the same goal. I work regularly with people who have absolutely no idea what they're doing, and sadly there isn't a disincentive for this. For three years I've beat the drum for at least some performance basis to our compensation, but my company just can't get there, and ceaseless, unrelenting cost-cutting means we are constantly overperforming with fewer and fewer resources. Ugh, I realize I'm not explaining this well. Simply put, I can't do anything more to protect the company, some of our senior management, and our owners from themselves. I sleep a few hours a night and my health is a complete wreck--not to mention my mental state--and things go further and further in the wrong direction every minute of every day. The company's results are heading in the wrong direction, and the good and now some of the bad rats are leaving the sinking ship. I've stuck it out as long as I have because I love my team, my boss (I realize no one ever says that!) and most of the legal department. We're very high-functioning but need help and support that is never going to be there.I've worked very, very hard in my entire career. I've never hesitated on long hours and personal sacrifices--I've not only regularly worked 50+ hours straight or 400 hours in a month in my jobs, but I've dialed in for conference calls from my dad's funeral. My dear grandmother committed suicide and, while she was in a coma, I ran back to Chicago to work for a day after getting "the call" only to return and find she had died overnight. I've never done this because of money but because I simply don't know how else to work or a way to give less than 100% to something. Money comes as an unnecessary bonus to working the only way I know how, and even then I "invest" it unwisely--as much as we joke about it, our Central American empire exists mostly to provide good jobs to Nicaraguans who need them. So the time and sacrifice is not the issue, but the inability to make any difference and the inequity of watching people coast by when my team and I might quite literally be killing ourselves isn't something that I feel like I can continue to survive. I'm at the end of my ####### rope.I just needed to type that.

Quit. There is a horrendously cliched line I could float here, but I've banned it from personal use -- you can infer it. There is nothing so important that you have to sacrifice your mental and physical health for it. Walk away.

I'm sure I've sacrificed both to a certain extent for years, but this is well beyond anything I (or the hordes of others who are miserable and thinking of leaving or actively trying to leave) have ever experienced. I have a really heightened, somewhat misplaced sense of loyalty that I need to shake off. :( Anyway, I really appreciate your thoughts even if I haven't figured out the cliche--need to spend more time in the "phrases banned" thread.

 

[BobbyLayne]

I realize I'm unlikely to get any sympathy for this.

I'm so mentally, emotionally, and physically at the end of my rope with my job that Mr. krista and I discussed last night the idea that I might quit, giving a month's notice or some such, without looking for a new job first. This would entail giving up large amount of $$$ to which I'd be entitled in March. I had the Amazon interviews but otherwise haven't really pursued anything, but I'm not sure I can make it much longer.

I've never worked in a place as dysfunctional, with so many people who are completely unable to do their jobs and spend about 99% of their time attempting to cover their asses instead. Everything I do is 1000 times more of a struggle than it should be, in terms of getting people to work together as a team, working toward the same goal. I work regularly with people who have absolutely no idea what they're doing, and sadly there isn't a disincentive for this. For three years I've beat the drum for at least some performance basis to our compensation, but my company just can't get there, and ceaseless, unrelenting cost-cutting means we are constantly overperforming with fewer and fewer resources.

Ugh, I realize I'm not explaining this well. Simply put, I can't do anything more to protect the company, some of our senior management, and our owners from themselves. I sleep a few hours a night and my health is a complete wreck--not to mention my mental state--and things go further and further in the wrong direction every minute of every day. The company's results are heading in the wrong direction, and the good and now some of the bad rats are leaving the sinking ship. I've stuck it out as long as I have because I love my team, my boss (I realize no one ever says that!) and most of the legal department. We're very high-functioning but need help and support that is never going to be there.

I've worked very, very hard in my entire career. I've never hesitated on long hours and personal sacrifices--I've not only regularly worked 50+ hours straight in my jobs, but I've dialed in for conference calls from my dad's funeral. My dear grandmother committed suicide and, while she was in a coma, I ran back to Chicago to work for a day after getting "the call" only to return and find she had died overnight. I've never done this because of money but because I simply don't know how else to work or a way to give less than 100% to something. Money comes as an unnecessary bonus to working the only way I know how, and even then I "invest" it unwisely--as much as we joke about it, our Central American empire exists mostly to provide good jobs to Nicaraguans who need them. So the time and sacrifice is not the issue, but the inability to make any difference and the inequity of watching people coast by when my team and I might quite literally be killing ourselves isn't something that I feel like I can continue to survive.

I'm at the end of my ####### rope.

I just needed to type that.

I distinctly remember whining to GB K4 about my job earlier this year, specifically work/life balance, obliquely the dysfunction of the company. Now granted, my stress level at the time is a bit different from your workplace issues, but we both have heavy responsibility executive [pretentious] positions that require 70 {hour] work weeks and oh by the way we're the respective voice of sanity in our ####ed up worlds.I believe the response I got was something along the lines of "And? Sorry, did something change? Is this not what you expected and knew it would be?" I didn't save it since we have limited PM space, but the gist of it was shaddup and quit acting like you're a 9 to 5er.

You're welcome.

Thanks for your input. That was not my reply, and if you think work/life balance is what I'm talking about, then you didn't read what I posted. In fact, something did change and has changed. Sorry I didn't seem sympathetic enough to your hours! Thanks again!

I didn't commit it to memory. What I remember was it was N/A to what I was going through.

Back then I said I was having WLB issues. Your post is clearly about something else - that's why I noted they were different scenarios.

Anyway, GL GB. Hope you figure out what is right for you.

 

[Tigran Petrosian]

I was completely outwitted or something recently. Mrs. SLB tells me that the next Boy Scout camping trip is three nights. Three nights. As I immediately protest because that is insanity for an 8 year old, she says not to worry since parents aren't invited. Now I have a BIG problem with this. Tell her there is NFW my 8 year old son is going on a three night trip with these guys unsupervised.Today she told me that she talked with them and they have no problem with me going. FML

Nf7+

Weakest pawn on the board, IMO.

 

[Tremendous Upside]

Pickles: Nobody wishes on their death bed that they had spent more time at work?

Is that it?

K4: That blows. The only thing I would say is that here to March will come and go pretty quickly, with the holidays and all...If the $$ you'd be getting in March is significant it might be worth sucking it up for 4 months and then take some serious time off...That $$ could fund some serious R&R time

But if it really affecting your health like that, well, sometimes you have to pull the ripcord

 

[Mr. Pickles]

I realize I'm unlikely to get any sympathy for this.I'm so mentally, emotionally, and physically at the end of my rope with my job that Mr. krista and I discussed last night the idea that I might quit, giving a month's notice or some such, without looking for a new job first. This would entail giving up large amount of $$$ to which I'd be entitled in March. I had the Amazon interviews but otherwise haven't really pursued anything, but I'm not sure I can make it much longer.I've never worked in a place as dysfunctional, with so many people who are completely unable to do their jobs and spend about 99% of their time attempting to cover their asses instead. Everything I do is 1000 times more of a struggle than it should be, in terms of getting people to work together as a team, working toward the same goal. I work regularly with people who have absolutely no idea what they're doing, and sadly there isn't a disincentive for this. For three years I've beat the drum for at least some performance basis to our compensation, but my company just can't get there, and ceaseless, unrelenting cost-cutting means we are constantly overperforming with fewer and fewer resources. Ugh, I realize I'm not explaining this well. Simply put, I can't do anything more to protect the company, some of our senior management, and our owners from themselves. I sleep a few hours a night and my health is a complete wreck--not to mention my mental state--and things go further and further in the wrong direction every minute of every day. The company's results are heading in the wrong direction, and the good and now some of the bad rats are leaving the sinking ship. I've stuck it out as long as I have because I love my team, my boss (I realize no one ever says that!) and most of the legal department. We're very high-functioning but need help and support that is never going to be there.I've worked very, very hard in my entire career. I've never hesitated on long hours and personal sacrifices--I've not only regularly worked 50+ hours straight or 400 hours in a month in my jobs, but I've dialed in for conference calls from my dad's funeral. My dear grandmother committed suicide and, while she was in a coma, I ran back to Chicago to work for a day after getting "the call" only to return and find she had died overnight. I've never done this because of money but because I simply don't know how else to work or a way to give less than 100% to something. Money comes as an unnecessary bonus to working the only way I know how, and even then I "invest" it unwisely--as much as we joke about it, our Central American empire exists mostly to provide good jobs to Nicaraguans who need them. So the time and sacrifice is not the issue, but the inability to make any difference and the inequity of watching people coast by when my team and I might quite literally be killing ourselves isn't something that I feel like I can continue to survive. I'm at the end of my ####### rope.I just needed to type that.

Quit. There is a horrendously cliched line I could float here, but I've banned it from personal use -- you can infer it. There is nothing so important that you have to sacrifice your mental and physical health for it. Walk away.

I'm sure I've sacrificed both to a certain extent for years, but this is well beyond anything I (or the hordes of others who are miserable and thinking of leaving or actively trying to leave) have ever experienced. I have a really heightened, somewhat misplaced sense of loyalty that I need to shake off. :( Anyway, I really appreciate your thoughts even if I haven't figured out the cliche--need to spend more time in the "phrases banned" thread.

Once you feel as though you are withering away as a human, you've hit the wall. There is no point in toughing it out. These are years you cannot get back. If you're worried about the clean break and finding something new, then seek out something immediately and get out of there. It's obvious from your short description you're in a terrible place right now. It's just not worth the anguish.Think of it this way: what if you were to disappear from the earth tomorrow. Would everything grind to a sudden halt because you weren't there to carry everyone on your back? Shrug already, Atlas.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Mrs BL takes the princess to the NYPL every Saturday after Mandarin class. Nice little ritual, they turn in 5-10 books and videos, pick out new ones. She had something going last week so I got the duty. I think my instructions weren't clear enough. Pretty sure I was told to let her choose at least half the selections (if not more), and then grab a Caldecott winner and a nature video on the way out. Not very a complex assignment for superdad.

Somehow I missed the whole screen which videos she picked task. We watched this tonight. She's 4 years old.

There's about a 90% chance I'm sleeping on the couch tonight.

 

[Mr. Pickles]

Mrs BL takes the princess to the NYPL every Saturday after Mandarin class. Nice little ritual, they turn in 5-10 books and videos, pick out new ones. She had something going last week so I got the duty. I think my instructions weren't clear enough. Pretty sure I was told to let her choose at least half the selections (if not more), and then grab a Caldecott winner and a nature video on the way out. Not very a complex assignment for superdad.

Somehow I missed the whole screen which videos she picked task. We watched this tonight. She's 4 years old.

There's about a 90% chance I'm sleeping on the couch tonight.

Regular Show is f'n hilarious.

 

[krista4]

Thanks, GBs SLB, TU and Pickles. I love the last paragraphs of Pickles' post. I realize that notion every time I go on vacation and wonder how things will go on without me. Of course, my boss did tell me, and was serious and very uncharacteristically emotional when doing so, that if I left it would be like having his left arm torn off. Touched, I asked him why only his left arm.

Anyway, he and I are going to talk seriously about this next week. Sadly there isn't much he can do or hasn't already done. Our CFO (on the job only 15 months) quit on Sunday night, shaking me even more, and I had been teetering on, or over, the edge anyway.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Mrs BL takes the princess to the NYPL every Saturday after Mandarin class. Nice little ritual, they turn in 5-10 books and videos, pick out new ones. She had something going last week so I got the duty. I think my instructions weren't clear enough. Pretty sure I was told to let her choose at least half the selections (if not more), and then grab a Caldecott winner and a nature video on the way out. Not very a complex assignment for superdad.

Somehow I missed the whole screen which videos she picked task. We watched this tonight. She's 4 years old.

There's about a 90% chance I'm sleeping on the couch tonight.

Regular Show is f'n hilarious.

Totally.Nevertheless, momma is a little bummed princess is walking around saying things like "Dude, this sucks!" when told to brush her teeth.

 

[chet]

Public or private company?

 

[krista4]

Public or private company?

Public filer, public debt, private equity; CFO departure publicly announced today though I've known about it since Sunday.

 

[Mr. Pickles]

McKittrick: [McKittrick approaches Falken's group on stairs] I don't know what you think you can do here, Stephen.

Stephen Falken: [suddenly noticing] John! Good to see you. I see the wife still picks your ties.

McKittrick: What is- What has this kid been telling you?

Stephen Falken: [looking at screens] How far's he gone?

McKittrick: Well the President about ready to order a counterstrike. That's what we're recommending he do.

Stephen Falken: It's a bluff, John, call it off.

McKittrick: No, it's not a bluff. It's real.

Stephen Falken: [raising his voice from stairs] Hello, General Beringer! Stephen Falken!

General Beringer: [standing] Mr. Falken you picked a hell of a day for a visit!

Stephen Falken: Uh, uh, General, what you see on these screens up here is a fantasy; a computer-enhanced hallucination. Those blips are not real missiles. They're phantoms.

McKittrick: [McKittrick approaches Beringer] Jack, there's nothing to indicate a simulation at all. Everything is working perfectly!

Stephen Falken: But does it make any sense?

General Beringer: Does what make any sense?

Stephen Falken: [points to the screens] That!

General Beringer: Look, I don't have time for a conversation right now.

Stephen Falken: [Falken speaks as he approaches] General, are you prepared to destroy the enemy?

General Beringer: You betcha!

Stephen Falken: Do you think they know that?

General Beringer: I believe we've made that clear enough.

Stephen Falken: [face to face] Then don't! Tell the President to ride out the attack.

Colonel Joe Conley: Sir, they need a decision.

Stephen Falken: General, do you really believe that the enemy would attack without provocation, using so many missiles, bombers, and subs so that we would have no choice but to totally annihilate them?

Female Airman First Class: [on loudspeaker] One minute and thirty seconds to impact.

Stephen Falken: General, you are listening to a machine! Do the world a favor and don't act like one.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

McKittrick: [McKittrick approaches Falken's group on stairs] I don't know what you think you can do here, Stephen.

Stephen Falken: [suddenly noticing] John! Good to see you. I see the wife still picks your ties.

McKittrick: What is- What has this kid been telling you?

Stephen Falken: [looking at screens] How far's he gone?

McKittrick: Well the President about ready to order a counterstrike. That's what we're recommending he do.

Stephen Falken: It's a bluff, John, call it off.

McKittrick: No, it's not a bluff. It's real.

Stephen Falken: [raising his voice from stairs] Hello, General Beringer! Stephen Falken!

General Beringer: [standing] Mr. Falken you picked a hell of a day for a visit!

Stephen Falken: Uh, uh, General, what you see on these screens up here is a fantasy; a computer-enhanced hallucination. Those blips are not real missiles. They're phantoms.

McKittrick: [McKittrick approaches Beringer] Jack, there's nothing to indicate a simulation at all. Everything is working perfectly!

Stephen Falken: But does it make any sense?

General Beringer: Does what make any sense?

Stephen Falken: [points to the screens] That!

General Beringer: Look, I don't have time for a conversation right now.

Stephen Falken: [Falken speaks as he approaches] General, are you prepared to destroy the enemy?

General Beringer: You betcha!

Stephen Falken: Do you think they know that?

General Beringer: I believe we've made that clear enough.

Stephen Falken: [face to face] Then don't! Tell the President to ride out the attack.

Colonel Joe Conley: Sir, they need a decision.

Stephen Falken: General, do you really believe that the enemy would attack without provocation, using so many missiles, bombers, and subs so that we would have no choice but to totally annihilate them?

Female Airman First Class: [on loudspeaker] One minute and thirty seconds to impact.

Stephen Falken: General, you are listening to a machine! Do the world a favor and don't act like one.

I'd piss on a spark plug if I thought it would do any good.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

I realize I'm unlikely to get any sympathy for this.I'm so mentally, emotionally, and physically at the end of my rope with my job that Mr. krista and I discussed last night the idea that I might quit, giving a month's notice or some such, without looking for a new job first. This would entail giving up large amount of $$$ to which I'd be entitled in March. I had the Amazon interviews but otherwise haven't really pursued anything, but I'm not sure I can make it much longer.I've never worked in a place as dysfunctional, with so many people who are completely unable to do their jobs and spend about 99% of their time attempting to cover their asses instead. Everything I do is 1000 times more of a struggle than it should be, in terms of getting people to work together as a team, working toward the same goal. I work regularly with people who have absolutely no idea what they're doing, and sadly there isn't a disincentive for this. For three years I've beat the drum for at least some performance basis to our compensation, but my company just can't get there, and ceaseless, unrelenting cost-cutting means we are constantly overperforming with fewer and fewer resources. Ugh, I realize I'm not explaining this well. Simply put, I can't do anything more to protect the company, some of our senior management, and our owners from themselves. I sleep a few hours a night and my health is a complete wreck--not to mention my mental state--and things go further and further in the wrong direction every minute of every day. The company's results are heading in the wrong direction, and the good and now some of the bad rats are leaving the sinking ship. I've stuck it out as long as I have because I love my team, my boss (I realize no one ever says that!) and most of the legal department. We're very high-functioning but need help and support that is never going to be there.I've worked very, very hard in my entire career. I've never hesitated on long hours and personal sacrifices--I've not only regularly worked 50+ hours straight or 400 hours in a month in my jobs, but I've dialed in for conference calls from my dad's funeral. My dear grandmother committed suicide and, while she was in a coma, I ran back to Chicago to work for a day after getting "the call" only to return and find she had died overnight. I've never done this because of money but because I simply don't know how else to work or a way to give less than 100% to something. Money comes as an unnecessary bonus to working the only way I know how, and even then I "invest" it unwisely--as much as we joke about it, our Central American empire exists mostly to provide good jobs to Nicaraguans who need them. So the time and sacrifice is not the issue, but the inability to make any difference and the inequity of watching people coast by when my team and I might quite literally be killing ourselves isn't something that I feel like I can continue to survive. I'm at the end of my ####### rope.I just needed to type that.

Quit. There is a horrendously cliched line I could float here, but I've banned it from personal use -- you can infer it. There is nothing so important that you have to sacrifice your mental and physical health for it. Walk away.

I'm sure I've sacrificed both to a certain extent for years, but this is well beyond anything I (or the hordes of others who are miserable and thinking of leaving or actively trying to leave) have ever experienced. I have a really heightened, somewhat misplaced sense of loyalty that I need to shake off. :( Anyway, I really appreciate your thoughts even if I haven't figured out the cliche--need to spend more time in the "phrases banned" thread.

Take if from a guy who loves his job even though he probably makes less per year than that crazy Mexican that sends you all the emails: GTFO...of your job that is. IMO it's not worth losing your health and your sanity. I'm not going to pretend that I know what it is like in the fast-paced world of the private sector but I'm just going to assume that with your experience and your skill set(s) you are fairly employable...even if that means taking a pay cut.Just my 2 cents (which is about how much I make every 10 minutes).

 

[krista4]

Just my 2 cents (which is about how much I make every 10 minutes).

I really do appreciate your input. Sometimes when someone posts something like I did, they're looking for the Knute Rockne (sp?)* rah-rah speech. I'm probably looking for just what I've mostly received, which is the "you're not crazy to quit" reinforcement.*Just an homage to GM.

 

[cosjobs]

Just drank a half bottle of tequila, smoked a joint a picked out all the pecans and cashews out of a jar of nut mix. Suck it Thanksgiving guests.

K4 - sounds like your job is all peanuts and no pecans.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

K4, I owe you an email. I've been slammed. Will touch base soon.

I know the industry, obviously. With your skills, and the level you're at, and your obvious drive, and what I imagine are some really good references, you're going to be fine. One of the luxuries of where you're at -- beyond money -- is that you're not working in a mine. Or a crummy factory, breathing in God-knows-what. You leave, you're going to be OK. You can take time off, and find something else in a few months. Or even later.

If you were the one who was f'ing up and bringing the company down, instead of the other way around, you would be out on your ###. Which isn't Good, or Bad, it's just the way things are. So that said, I say determine the best course of action as coldly and as with much calculation as possible. Weigh all factors, including money, health, etc. But strip any notion of loyalty away, because it's not reciprocal. At least not in a company-employee sense. Look out for numero uno.

 

[proninja]

A couple thoughts:

If you're saying the $$ in March is substantial, then it is substantial. If you could gut it out until then I would. Also, I realize this may not be a popular sentiment here, but think about what that money could do for other people. The money might not be enough of a motivator to keep you going, but if you were able to use that money to help people who really needed it, would that provide necessary perspective to make the next four months manageable? I'm not sure who that person or what that charity is or if it exists for you, but it's something to think about.

Also, if it is really, actually affecting your health, quit. I'd imagine you have at least enough cake stashed away to buy a moderate sized house and live humbly off the stash if you so desired, so why sacrifice something you can't get back for something you really don't need? I would imagine that as you have more of it the marginal utility of extra money goes way down. Plus, as truck mentioned, it's not like you aren't employable.

 

[Mr. Pickles]

But strip any notion of loyalty away, because it's not reciprocal. At least not in a company-employee sense. Look out for numero uno.

Exactly.

 

[Uruk-Hai]

Thanks, GBs SLB, TU and Pickles. I love the last paragraphs of Pickles' post. I realize that notion every time I go on vacation and wonder how things will go on without me. Of course, my boss did tell me, and was serious and very uncharacteristically emotional when doing so, that if I left it would be like having his left arm torn off. Touched, I asked him why only his left arm.

Anyway, he and I are going to talk seriously about this next week. Sadly there isn't much he can do or hasn't already done. Our CFO (on the job only 15 months) quit on Sunday night, shaking me even more, and I had been teetering on, or over, the edge anyway.

I can't add anything to what the other guys said that wouldn't be a horrible cliche so I'll just throw out a "good luck", k4.

 

[belljr]

Thanks, GBs SLB, TU and Pickles. I love the last paragraphs of Pickles' post. I realize that notion every time I go on vacation and wonder how things will go on without me. Of course, my boss did tell me, and was serious and very uncharacteristically emotional when doing so, that if I left it would be like having his left arm torn off. Touched, I asked him why only his left arm.

Anyway, he and I are going to talk seriously about this next week. Sadly there isn't much he can do or hasn't already done. Our CFO (on the job only 15 months) quit on Sunday night, shaking me even more, and I had been teetering on, or over, the edge anyway.

I can't add anything to what the other guys said that wouldn't be a horrible cliche so I'll just throw out a "good luck", k4.

 

[Stoneys]

Thanks, GBs SLB, TU and Pickles. I love the last paragraphs of Pickles' post. I realize that notion every time I go on vacation and wonder how things will go on without me. Of course, my boss did tell me, and was serious and very uncharacteristically emotional when doing so, that if I left it would be like having his left arm torn off. Touched, I asked him why only his left arm.

Anyway, he and I are going to talk seriously about this next week. Sadly there isn't much he can do or hasn't already done. Our CFO (on the job only 15 months) quit on Sunday night, shaking me even more, and I had been teetering on, or over, the edge anyway.

I can't add anything to what the other guys said that wouldn't be a horrible cliche so I'll just throw out a "good luck", k4.

 

[Tiger Fan]

Mrs. TF and I both have off tomorrow and the boys have day care. Can't freaking wait. After we bring them in the morning, we made an agreement to not get out of bed until 1:00. I don't even care about sex...I just want to be able to watch TV for 5 hours straight without interruption

Well, I ####### jinxed us. Baby 2 has fever

 

[Guster]

Mrs. TF and I both have off tomorrow and the boys have day care. Can't freaking wait. After we bring them in the morning, we made an agreement to not get out of bed until 1:00. I don't even care about sex...I just want to be able to watch TV for 5 hours straight without interruption

Well, I ####### jinxed us. Baby 2 has fever

Does this mean your wife is free for sex?

 

[Tiger Fan]

Mrs. TF and I both have off tomorrow and the boys have day care. Can't freaking wait. After we bring them in the morning, we made an agreement to not get out of bed until 1:00. I don't even care about sex...I just want to be able to watch TV for 5 hours straight without interruption

Well, I ####### jinxed us. Baby 2 has fever

Does this mean your wife is free for sex?

why not

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

When you're alone and life is making you lonely

You can always go, downtown

When you've got worries all the noise and the hurry

Seems to help I know, downtown

Just listen to the music of the traffic in the city

Linger on the sidewalk, where the neon signs are pretty

How can you lose? The lights are much brighter there

You can forget all your troubles, forget all your cares

So go

Downtown, things will be great when you're

Downtown, no finer place for sure

Downtown, every thing's waiting for you

Don't hang around and let your problems surround you

There are movie shows, downtown

Maybe you know some little places to go

To where they never close, downtown

Just listen to the rhythm of a gentle bossa nova

You'll be dancing with 'em too before the night is over happy again

The lights are much brighter there

You can forget all your troubles, forget all your cares

So go

Downtown, where all the lights are bright

Downtown, waiting for you tonight

Downtown, you're gonna be alright now

Downtown

And you may find somebody kind to help and understand you

Someone who is just like you and needs a gentle hand

To guide them along so maybe I'll see you there

We can forget all our troubles, forget all our cares

So go

Downtown, things will be great when you're

Downtown, don't wait a minute more

Downtown, everything is waiting for you

Downtown, downtown, downtown, downtown

 

[Mr. Pickles]

Mrs. TF and I both have off tomorrow and the boys have day care. Can't freaking wait. After we bring them in the morning, we made an agreement to not get out of bed until 1:00. I don't even care about sex...I just want to be able to watch TV for 5 hours straight without interruption

Well, I ####### jinxed us. Baby 2 has fever

Does this mean your wife is free for sex?

why not

:Bianca:

 

[Bogart]

Mrs. TF and I both have off tomorrow and the boys have day care. Can't freaking wait. After we bring them in the morning, we made an agreement to not get out of bed until 1:00. I don't even care about sex...I just want to be able to watch TV for 5 hours straight without interruption

Well, I ####### jinxed us. Baby 2 has fever

Does this mean your wife is free for sex?

why not

:Bianca:

:goldengate:

 

[Mr.Pack]

A good friend of mines sister passed away over the weekend unexpectedly. In looking up the obit, these letters were by her name: PA-C, MSFPBS

Anyone know what they mean?

 

[phishphan]

I knew it!

 

[phishphan]

A good friend of mines sister passed away over the weekend unexpectedly. In looking up the obit, these letters were by her name: PA-C, MSFPBS

Anyone know what they mean?

Well I googled it, and all I found was your friend's sister's obit so

 

[Idiot Boxer]

A good friend of mines sister passed away over the weekend unexpectedly. In looking up the obit, these letters were by her name: PA-C, MSFPBS

Anyone know what they mean?

Physicians Assistant - Certified.

 

[Mr.Pack]

A good friend of mines sister passed away over the weekend unexpectedly. In looking up the obit, these letters were by her name: PA-C, MSFPBS

Anyone know what they mean?

Well I googled it, and all I found was your friend's sister's obit so

Yea, same here.

A good friend of mines sister passed away over the weekend unexpectedly. In looking up the obit, these letters were by her name: PA-C, MSFPBS

Anyone know what they mean?

Physicians Assistant - Certified.

Ok, that makes sense. What about the rest of it?

 

[Idiot Boxer]

A good friend of mines sister passed away over the weekend unexpectedly. In looking up the obit, these letters were by her name: PA-C, MSFPBS

Anyone know what they mean?

Well I googled it, and all I found was your friend's sister's obit so

Yea, same here.

A good friend of mines sister passed away over the weekend unexpectedly. In looking up the obit, these letters were by her name: PA-C, MSFPBS

Anyone know what they mean?

Physicians Assistant - Certified.

Ok, that makes sense. What about the rest of it?

Can't quite figure that one out yet.

MSF - Medicos Sans Frontieros = Doctors without Borders philanthropic travelling doctor organization. Do you know if she participated?

 

[Uruk-Hai]

I just burnt the living #### out of my finger. I got drafted to make corn pudding for Turkey Day. I put the oven mitt on and then reached in the oven with my other hand, catching the rack with my 3rd-base finger.

Being an idiot comes easy to me.

 

[phishphan]

Double Ewe Tee Eff???

 

[Mr.Pack]

A good friend of mines sister passed away over the weekend unexpectedly. In looking up the obit, these letters were by her name: PA-C, MSFPBS

Anyone know what they mean?

Well I googled it, and all I found was your friend's sister's obit so

Yea, same here.

A good friend of mines sister passed away over the weekend unexpectedly. In looking up the obit, these letters were by her name: PA-C, MSFPBS

Anyone know what they mean?

Physicians Assistant - Certified.

Ok, that makes sense. What about the rest of it?

Can't quite figure that one out yet.

MSF - Medicos Sans Frontieros = Doctors without Borders philanthropic travelling doctor organization. Do you know if she participated?

No clue...... Guess i'll find out at the funeral

 

[heckmanm]

A good friend of mines sister passed away over the weekend unexpectedly. In looking up the obit, these letters were by her name: PA-C, MSFPBS

Anyone know what they mean?

Well I googled it, and all I found was your friend's sister's obit so

Yea, same here.

A good friend of mines sister passed away over the weekend unexpectedly. In looking up the obit, these letters were by her name: PA-C, MSFPBS

Anyone know what they mean?

Physicians Assistant - Certified.

Ok, that makes sense. What about the rest of it?

Can't quite figure that one out yet.

MSF - Medicos Sans Frontieros = Doctors without Borders philanthropic travelling doctor organization. Do you know if she participated?

And contributed to her local public television station. Done and done.

 

[belljr]

So my suit is outdated. Can I still just get a basic black one for an upcoming interview/any function that requires a suit (wedding, funeral etc).

Phoner tomorrow. Pretty nervous Hopefully I do need to buy a suit....

Well not sure how it went. Job description is a bit different than expected and I would have to travel a little bit.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

I realize I'm unlikely to get any sympathy for this.I'm so mentally, emotionally, and physically at the end of my rope with my job that Mr. krista and I discussed last night the idea that I might quit, giving a month's notice or some such, without looking for a new job first. This would entail giving up large amount of $$$ to which I'd be entitled in March. I had the Amazon interviews but otherwise haven't really pursued anything, but I'm not sure I can make it much longer.I've never worked in a place as dysfunctional, with so many people who are completely unable to do their jobs and spend about 99% of their time attempting to cover their asses instead. Everything I do is 1000 times more of a struggle than it should be, in terms of getting people to work together as a team, working toward the same goal. I work regularly with people who have absolutely no idea what they're doing, and sadly there isn't a disincentive for this. For three years I've beat the drum for at least some performance basis to our compensation, but my company just can't get there, and ceaseless, unrelenting cost-cutting means we are constantly overperforming with fewer and fewer resources. Ugh, I realize I'm not explaining this well. Simply put, I can't do anything more to protect the company, some of our senior management, and our owners from themselves. I sleep a few hours a night and my health is a complete wreck--not to mention my mental state--and things go further and further in the wrong direction every minute of every day. The company's results are heading in the wrong direction, and the good and now some of the bad rats are leaving the sinking ship. I've stuck it out as long as I have because I love my team, my boss (I realize no one ever says that!) and most of the legal department. We're very high-functioning but need help and support that is never going to be there.I've worked very, very hard in my entire career. I've never hesitated on long hours and personal sacrifices--I've not only regularly worked 50+ hours straight or 400 hours in a month in my jobs, but I've dialed in for conference calls from my dad's funeral. My dear grandmother committed suicide and, while she was in a coma, I ran back to Chicago to work for a day after getting "the call" only to return and find she had died overnight. I've never done this because of money but because I simply don't know how else to work or a way to give less than 100% to something. Money comes as an unnecessary bonus to working the only way I know how, and even then I "invest" it unwisely--as much as we joke about it, our Central American empire exists mostly to provide good jobs to Nicaraguans who need them. So the time and sacrifice is not the issue, but the inability to make any difference and the inequity of watching people coast by when my team and I might quite literally be killing ourselves isn't something that I feel like I can continue to survive. I'm at the end of my ####### rope.I just needed to type that.

I think leaving them with proper notice and without a job to jump right into is exactly what you need. Take some time to decompress and focus on you, rather than some company's problems for a little while before you jump back into it. You're obviously qualified and can find something else similar if you had to, so why not take some time for yourself and find the next opportunity that might be different or more rewarding at your leisure. If you can afford to financially of course, but I get the feeling you've got enough put away that you can take a break for a few months if you so desired.

 

[St. Louis Bob]

And steal all of the office supplies. Always steal the office supplies.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

And steal all of the office supplies. Always steal the office supplies.

Take the stapler, leave the Folgers.

 

[Uruk-Hai]

Don't know why this tickles me so much.....

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It's like a guerilla band looking for a place to strike

 

[-fish-]

K4--sorry. After doing all the heavy lifting for the same firm for 13 years, and watching others not only reap the benefits but constantly derail my efforts through their incompetence, I can sympathize. When my daughter was born, I took 2 weeks off. I ended up working 6 of the 10 days, including taking a deposition and then having to drive 200 miles to pick up my now ex-wife to go home from the hospital.

Worked my ### off for years...because I don't know any other way to do it. Around me, only my paralegal had a work ethic and everyone else, including the partners I was making rich, skated by.

You'll be fine if you quit. Getting canned is one of the best things that ever happened to me. Now I'm only working with people I respect. Hopefully within the next few months, I start running in the black. It's looking that way.

Good luck, and Happy Thanksgiving to you and GMTAN.

Safe travels to those of you that are going somewhere.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

K4--sorry. After doing all the heavy lifting for the same firm for 13 years, and watching others not only reap the benefits but constantly derail my efforts through their incompetence, I can sympathize. When my daughter was born, I took 2 weeks off. I ended up working 6 of the 10 days, including taking a deposition and then having to drive 200 miles to pick up my now ex-wife to go home from the hospital.

Worked my ### off for years...because I don't know any other way to do it. Around me, only my paralegal had a work ethic and everyone else, including the partners I was making rich, skated by.

You'll be fine if you quit. Getting canned is one of the best things that ever happened to me. Now I'm only working with people I respect. Hopefully within the next few months, I start running in the black. It's looking that way.



Good luck, and Happy Thanksgiving to you and GMTAN.

Safe travels to those of you that are going somewhere.

 

[krista4]

K4--sorry. After doing all the heavy lifting for the same firm for 13 years, and watching others not only reap the benefits but constantly derail my efforts through their incompetence, I can sympathize. When my daughter was born, I took 2 weeks off. I ended up working 6 of the 10 days, including taking a deposition and then having to drive 200 miles to pick up my now ex-wife to go home from the hospital.Worked my ### off for years...because I don't know any other way to do it. Around me, only my paralegal had a work ethic and everyone else, including the partners I was making rich, skated by.You'll be fine if you quit. Getting canned is one of the best things that ever happened to me. Now I'm only working with people I respect. Hopefully within the next few months, I start running in the black. It's looking that way.Good luck, and Happy Thanksgiving to you and GMTAN.Safe travels to those of you that are going somewhere.

Thanks to you, GPJ, 'ninja, Leeroy and everyone else that I haven't already thanked. Reading all the different perspectives is very helpful to me. 'ninja, interesting point about using the money in a good way if I stuck it out. This post is a good reminder to me as well that I can get by--and likely be better off--whatever happens. The amount in question if I waited until March is significant. Very significant. But I've never been that concerned with the $$$ aspect. I like Stouffer's pizzas, after all. Using it in a different way is interesting, though.Actually it feels good just to have made a decision--I AM leaving whether it's right now or at latest six months from now. I've been on the fence way too long and it's good just to put a firm time limit on it, and GTFO at that point whatever the situation. In the meantime, I've already had a phone interview this morning for a job in Milwaukee (close enough to Chicago and a nice city in its own right) and have one on Tuesday for a job in Portland, OR ( GBGM). I work fast. I'll see what's out there but be pretty picky (already nixed a Chicago one I received a call about today) knowing that, if I want to, I could just quit altogether.Anyway, I'm feeling a little better today, though that's likely because most people are out of the office by now so the crap level is lower.GPJ, I'm pretty much done with filling the lawyer position but if you have thoughts on the paralegal, let me know. No rush. That one's not moving very fast and the position might change a bit.