GnR : Appetite For Destruction (1 Viewer)

[Apple Jack]

Perfect example of how bad and sophomoric Axl was. Mr. Brownstone vs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffr0opfm6I4

it's painfully bad.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

It's nonsense like is being spewed in this thread that make me like more and more of you less and less around here.

 

[Ballstein]

I think you all are crazy. Top 10 album of my 40 year life. I hate axl. But the album is kick ### from a hard core rock and roll, drums, and guitar point of view. The lyrics are plain great for a slutty album. Nighttrain and sweet child if mine have excellent solo guitar riffs. And annoying as Axl was he was the perfect answer to kill hair metal... And I admit I loved the scorpions, Cinderella, whitesnake, cru. But Metallica and GNR started a whole new generation of hard rock.

Nirvana killed hair metal

 

[Abraham]

No they didn't.

 

[rockaction]

Perfect example of how bad and sophomoric Axl was. Mr. Brownstone vs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffr0opfm6I4

it's painfully bad.

Actually, I thought "Heroin" was the worst VU song off of that album besides anything with Nico. Painfully overdone.

* listened to VU for fifteen-twenty years. Actually, I don't want to slag the dead, but Lou Reed wrote some painfully dumb songs, and some brilliant ones. Let's not lionize someone Lester Bangs wouldn't.

** God, did I ever love "European Son" in my twenties.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I saw Styx two years ago, and they were good, but without Dennis DeYoung, it just isn't the same. But those four albums from 1975-1978 are all pretty great. But I find that meatheads who seemingly only listen to music that you can crank up at parties often dismiss music that they consider too arty (heaven forbid music have some depth to it), so that says more about them than it does the music. People can trash Boston, Styx, Moody Blues, etc. all they want, but you cannot argue with their success. Just like I would never argue with the success of AFD (even though I don't think it is that great, I understand why it is so popular).

Love Styx, absolutely love them.

Too much time

Renegade

Equinox and the Grand Illusion were both awesome. I know Dennis not in the current band is weird but I always thought Tommy Shaw's vocals were on a different level than almost anyone. Don't assume because we like GnR that we have no appreciation for other great music. Saw Styx a couple years ago sounded awesome.

 

[cstu]

Perfect example of how bad and sophomoric Axl was. Mr. Brownstone vs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffr0opfm6I4

it's painfully bad.

Actually, I thought "Heroin" was the worst VU song off of that album besides anything with Nico. Painfully overdone.

* listened to VU for fifteen-twenty years. Actually, I don't want to slag the dead, but Lou Reed wrote some painfully dumb songs, and some brilliant ones. Let's not lionize someone Lester Bangs wouldn't.

** God, did I ever love "European Son" in my twenties.

Please take this as respectfully as you possibly can - you're out of your mind. IMO Heroin is the perfect song.

 

[rockaction]

Perfect example of how bad and sophomoric Axl was. Mr. Brownstone vs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffr0opfm6I4

it's painfully bad.

Actually, I thought "Heroin" was the worst VU song off of that album besides anything with Nico. Painfully overdone.

* listened to VU for fifteen-twenty years. Actually, I don't want to slag the dead, but Lou Reed wrote some painfully dumb songs, and some brilliant ones. Let's not lionize someone Lester Bangs wouldn't.

** God, did I ever love "European Son" in my twenties.

Please take this as respectfully as you possibly can - you're out of your mind. IMO Heroin is the perfect song.

Eh, things become subjective at some point. Never liked the obviousness of the song. I liked Sister Ray infinitely more.

* I'm talking smack songs, not songs off of VU's first.

 

[Apple Jack]

The obviousness?

 

[rockaction]

The obviousness?

Uh, yeah. If you can't see where a description of doing heroin would be obvious within a song called, obviously, "Heroin," then, well...have fun.

 

[cstu]

I think you all are crazy. Top 10 album of my 40 year life. I hate axl. But the album is kick ### from a hard core rock and roll, drums, and guitar point of view. The lyrics are plain great for a slutty album. Nighttrain and sweet child if mine have excellent solo guitar riffs. And annoying as Axl was he was the perfect answer to kill hair metal... And I admit I loved the scorpions, Cinderella, whitesnake, cru. But Metallica and GNR started a whole new generation of hard rock.

Nirvana killed hair metal

It wasn't that simple:

- Crappy copycats (i.e. Trixter...seriously, #### you Trixter)

- The good bands decide they had to change their sound to be more relevant (i.e. 'cool'). It worked best for Bon Jovi (Keep the Faith) but overall changing was a huge failure.

- The good bands who didn't change came up with terrible music (Def Leppard - Let's Get Rocked? - even by hair metal standard this sucked). Instead of coming out with good new music they released a bunch of greatest hits and b-sides albums.

- Frankly it was played out and a lot of fans like myself wanted something new. NiN was getting popular in 91. The Chronic and Rage Against the Machine came out in 92. Tool's Undertow came out in 93. The Lollapalooza tour introduced a lot of people to new music (this was pre-internet so finding out about new music was as easy as it is today.

 

[Abraham]

http://techstbooks.wordpress.com/2012/04/13/startups-and-rock-n-roll-part-4-how-we-got-here/

 

[Apple Jack]

Perfect example of how bad and sophomoric Axl was. Mr. Brownstone vs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffr0opfm6I4

it's painfully bad.

Actually, I thought "Heroin" was the worst VU song off of that album besides anything with Nico. Painfully overdone.

* listened to VU for fifteen-twenty years. Actually, I don't want to slag the dead, but Lou Reed wrote some painfully dumb songs, and some brilliant ones. Let's not lionize someone Lester Bangs wouldn't.

** God, did I ever love "European Son" in my twenties.

I was going to apologize for being flippant about Heroin until I reread and saw this. I'll Be Your Mirror is one of the most potent pieces of music ever created by anybody ever. Granted, it's Lou's song, but Nico sang it and I assume you're referring to it when you say that. Fail. Fail.

 

[rockaction]

http://techstbooks.wordpress.com/2012/04/13/startups-and-rock-n-roll-part-4-how-we-got-here/

Interesting article. I'd like to submit that regions and their sub-genres had something to do with it, too. The Pacific NW dominated the airwaves, but the underground in the Northeast was NY/CT/MA hardcore. Gorilla Biscuits, Quicksand, Fugazi, even the Bosstones (at the time) etc., were the bands of '89-'92.

* Fugazi is DC, but they were huge in the NE at the time b/c of Minor Threat and SXE.

Perfect example of how bad and sophomoric Axl was. Mr. Brownstone vs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffr0opfm6I4

it's painfully bad.

Actually, I thought "Heroin" was the worst VU song off of that album besides anything with Nico. Painfully overdone.

* listened to VU for fifteen-twenty years. Actually, I don't want to slag the dead, but Lou Reed wrote some painfully dumb songs, and some brilliant ones. Let's not lionize someone Lester Bangs wouldn't.

** God, did I ever love "European Son" in my twenties.

I was going to apologize for being flippant about Heroin until I reread and saw this. I'll Be Your Mirror is one of the most potent pieces of music ever created by anybody ever. Granted, it's Lou's song, but Nico sang it and I assume you're referring to it when you say that. Fail. Fail.

W/r/t Nico, I like "Femme Fatale" and All Tomorrow's Parties better. More guitar. It's got that girl group sound, and girl group backing vocals, of which I am a big fan. We just come at it from differing opinions, I guess. I seriously never dug "I'll Be Your Mirror."

It's really no use arguing; I think we have radically different opinions within a small sample size.

 

[rockaction]

http://techstbooks.wordpress.com/2012/04/13/startups-and-rock-n-roll-part-4-how-we-got-here/

Interesting article. I'd like to submit that regions and their sub-genres had something to do with it, too. The Pacific NW dominated the airwaves, but the underground in the Northeast was NY/CT/MA hardcore. Gorilla Biscuits, Quicksand, Fugazi, even the Bosstones (at the time) etc., were the bands of '89-'92.

Perfect example of how bad and sophomoric Axl was. Mr. Brownstone vs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffr0opfm6I4

it's painfully bad.

Actually, I thought "Heroin" was the worst VU song off of that album besides anything with Nico. Painfully overdone.

* listened to VU for fifteen-twenty years. Actually, I don't want to slag the dead, but Lou Reed wrote some painfully dumb songs, and some brilliant ones. Let's not lionize someone Lester Bangs wouldn't.

** God, did I ever love "European Son" in my twenties.

I was going to apologize for being flippant about Heroin until I reread and saw this. I'll Be Your Mirror is one of the most potent pieces of music ever created by anybody ever. Granted, it's Lou's song, but Nico sang it and I assume you're referring to it when you say that. Fail. Fail.

W/r/t Nico, I like "Femme Fatale" and All Tomorrow's Parties better. More guitar. It's got that girl group sound, and girl group backing vocals, of which I am a big fan. We just come at it from differing opinions, I guess. I seriously never dug "I'll Be Your Mirror."

It's really no use arguing; I think we have radically different opinions within a small sample size.

True. I'm a former heroin addict who sang I'll Be Your Mirror at my best friend's funeral. This music carries a lot of weight with me. Maybe too much to message board discussion.

Good work. I can relate. , brother.

eta* That didn't come out right. I'm glad you kicked it, is what I was trying to say. Good work.

 

[cstu]

http://techstbooks.wordpress.com/2012/04/13/startups-and-rock-n-roll-part-4-how-we-got-here/

Simple: new artists and new bands no longer had to focus on the visual component of performance. Kurt Cobain played a Fender Mustang in Nirvana’s videos. The Mustang was a cheap, entry-level guitar that could be had at most pawn shops for under $150. Instead of saving up $800 for a Les Paul, BC Rich, or Ibanez guitar a person interested in learning how to play could get a guitar for $150 that was socially acceptable as “cool.”

Good point and I don't think it was coincidence that grunge took off at the same time the country was in a recession.

 

[Ghost Rider]

I saw Styx two years ago, and they were good, but without Dennis DeYoung, it just isn't the same. But those four albums from 1975-1978 are all pretty great. But I find that meatheads who seemingly only listen to music that you can crank up at parties often dismiss music that they consider too arty (heaven forbid music have some depth to it), so that says more about them than it does the music. People can trash Boston, Styx, Moody Blues, etc. all they want, but you cannot argue with their success. Just like I would never argue with the success of AFD (even though I don't think it is that great, I understand why it is so popular).

Depth was exactly the term I was thinking of. Some music you listen to and hear something different each time. The subtleties and layering.

For sure.

I saw Styx two years ago, and they were good, but without Dennis DeYoung, it just isn't the same. But those four albums from 1975-1978 are all pretty great. But I find that meatheads who seemingly only listen to music that you can crank up at parties often dismiss music that they consider too arty (heaven forbid music have some depth to it), so that says more about them than it does the music. People can trash Boston, Styx, Moody Blues, etc. all they want, but you cannot argue with their success. Just like I would never argue with the success of AFD (even though I don't think it is that great, I understand why it is so popular).

To each their own. I get different things but various genres of music, but unfortunately there's a lot of music that's supposed to 'move me' that simply doesn't. I get a lot more enjoyment out of classical music or jazz than a lot of 'arty' bands.

That's cool. Hey, you like what you like; I get it. And this is generalizing, but I swear, it seems like every time I talk to someone in real life who thinks GnR is the greatest, they are always huge fans of AC/DC, too. Call me a music snob if you want, but I rarely meet somebody whose musical tastes are diverse that thinks GnR is great.

I think you all are crazy. Top 10 album of my 40 year life. I hate axl. But the album is kick ### from a hard core rock and roll, drums, and guitar point of view. The lyrics are plain great for a slutty album. Nighttrain and sweet child if mine have excellent solo guitar riffs. And annoying as Axl was he was the perfect answer to kill hair metal... And I admit I loved the scorpions, Cinderella, whitesnake, cru. But Metallica and GNR started a whole new generation of hard rock.

Nirvana killed hair metal

Wrong. Hair metal was already dying by 1990.

 

[DocHolliday]

I think you all are crazy. Top 10 album of my 40 year life. I hate axl. But the album is kick ### from a hard core rock and roll, drums, and guitar point of view. The lyrics are plain great for a slutty album. Nighttrain and sweet child if mine have excellent solo guitar riffs. And annoying as Axl was he was the perfect answer to kill hair metal... And I admit I loved the scorpions, Cinderella, whitesnake, cru. But Metallica and GNR started a whole new generation of hard rock.

Nirvana killed hair metal

It wasn't that simple:

- Crappy copycats (i.e. Trixter...seriously, #### you Trixter)

- The good bands decide they had to change their sound to be more relevant (i.e. 'cool'). It worked best for Bon Jovi (Keep the Faith) but overall changing was a huge failure.

- The good bands who didn't change came up with terrible music (Def Leppard - Let's Get Rocked? - even by hair metal standard this sucked). Instead of coming out with good new music they released a bunch of greatest hits and b-sides albums.

- Frankly it was played out and a lot of fans like myself wanted something new. NiN was getting popular in 91. The Chronic and Rage Against the Machine came out in 92. Tool's Undertow came out in 93. The Lollapalooza tour introduced a lot of people to new music (this was pre-internet so finding out about new music was as easy as it is today.

Hair metal killed hair metal. It got goofy and turned into a bubble. Labels were signing every metal band that they could as long as they had the look. The songs did not matter and many sucked. You cannot fool folks for long.

I am back listening to 80s metal 90% of the time but I got away from it for about a decade in the 90s. That was common. My brother and most of our friends were the same way. We moved on to Nirvana, AIC, PJ, and the rest of grunge. The 80s metal sound got worn out and overdone.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Bill Burr gets it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=hv9YhE0SC4A#t=905

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Bill Burr gets it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=hv9YhE0SC4A#t=905

Yeah. He's got the foul mouthed d-bag thing down pat.

 

[zed2283]

Bill Burr gets it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=hv9YhE0SC4A#t=905

Yeah. He's got the foul mouthed d-bag thing down pat.

Yeah, what an idiot.

 

[psychobillies]

I think you all are crazy. Top 10 album of my 40 year life. I hate axl. But the album is kick ### from a hard core rock and roll, drums, and guitar point of view. The lyrics are plain great for a slutty album. Nighttrain and sweet child if mine have excellent solo guitar riffs. And annoying as Axl was he was the perfect answer to kill hair metal... And I admit I loved the scorpions, Cinderella, whitesnake, cru. But Metallica and GNR started a whole new generation of hard rock.

Nirvana killed hair metal

It wasn't that simple:

- Crappy copycats (i.e. Trixter...seriously, #### you Trixter)

- The good bands decide they had to change their sound to be more relevant (i.e. 'cool'). It worked best for Bon Jovi (Keep the Faith) but overall changing was a huge failure.

- The good bands who didn't change came up with terrible music (Def Leppard - Let's Get Rocked? - even by hair metal standard this sucked). Instead of coming out with good new music they released a bunch of greatest hits and b-sides albums.

- Frankly it was played out and a lot of fans like myself wanted something new. NiN was getting popular in 91. The Chronic and Rage Against the Machine came out in 92. Tool's Undertow came out in 93. The Lollapalooza tour introduced a lot of people to new music (this was pre-internet so finding out about new music was as easy as it is today.

Hair metal killed hair metal. It got goofy and turned into a bubble. Labels were signing every metal band that they could as long as they had the look. The songs did not matter and many sucked. You cannot fool folks for long.

I am back listening to 80s metal 90% of the time but I got away from it for about a decade in the 90s. That was common. My brother and most of our friends were the same way. We moved on to Nirvana, AIC, PJ, and the rest of grunge. The 80s metal sound got worn out and overdone.

I agree with what you that hair metal basically killed itself and led to the grunge bands popularity. In fact, I'd say the exact moment was when KISS recorded "God gave Rock and Roll to you". I've never forgiven them for that.

 

[17seconds]

I just listened to Appetite yesterday from beginning to end. It's been a while since I listened to every track.

It's alright. I mean, it's a fantastic debut record and it rocks like hell but half of the album are variants of the same song.