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Golden Tate block on Sean Lee (1 Viewer)
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Eviloutsider
Footballguy
Legal but these guys need to knock that crap off. They are all in the same position of being one play away from retirement and the lack of respect for each other as professionals at times is crazy, competition or not. The block would have been just as effective with his hands.
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
Maybe you should follow your local flag football team instead of the NFL.
Eviloutsider
Footballguy
Maybe you should realize that it's 2012 and concussions are not only real but the biggest threat to the NFL and it's longevity. This isn't 1985 anymore.
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
You are upset because the cowboys had nothing to celebrate. It was a GREAT block....get over it.
Ketamine Dreams
Footballguy
Legal, but vicious...
Bankerguy
Footballguy
I said as much in the game thread. Didn't like him celebrating when there was an injured player. I find it distaseful. Regardless of me being a Cowboy fan, I am sure other non Cowboy fans agree.
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ImTheScientist
Footballguy
Hi Roger G., turning the NFL into a two hand touch league is a bigger threat to longevity.
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
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ImTheScientist
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Tate just tweeted
14m Golden Tate Golden Tate @ShowtimeTate
I hope Sean Lee is ok . I never have intentions on injuring another player. It's football which means Its physical, dirty hit would Be if I went for his head or neck area.
14m Golden Tate Golden Tate @ShowtimeTate
I hope Sean Lee is ok . I never have intentions on injuring another player. It's football which means Its physical, dirty hit would Be if I went for his head or neck area.
BespokeJort
Footballguy
Legal. Looked like he hit him in the chest.
Sidenote: Seahawks fan here; liked the hit, disliked the celebration with the guy laid out on the ground.
I don't agree with those saying he should have slowed down and blocked him with his hands though...you try that, the guy gets his head around and sees you in time, they lower a shoulder and it's your ### on the ground. Playing at anything less than full bore is how to get yourself hurt.
Sidenote: Seahawks fan here; liked the hit, disliked the celebration with the guy laid out on the ground.
I don't agree with those saying he should have slowed down and blocked him with his hands though...you try that, the guy gets his head around and sees you in time, they lower a shoulder and it's your ### on the ground. Playing at anything less than full bore is how to get yourself hurt.
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
Overused "Internet toughguy" insults. Ok.
cracKer
Shawn Culcasi
That WAS the head/neck area
DesmondBishop
Footballguy
LOL from who? Most other teams HATE the Cowboys, more than likely he will be congratulated. Clean hit, but wicked, had it been Hines Ward, they would be saying that's just how he plays the game and keep your head on a swivel.
cracKer
Shawn Culcasi
Like they don't realize they are very fortunate to be in a profession/game that pays them millions. I'm guessing the defensive brotherhood is stronger than the "I hate the Cowboys" crowd. Shared agents, off-season camps, and so on...it's not the old-school NFL
GregR
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As far as the rules... a blindside block is considered a hit on a defenseless player, same as if it's a QB or a receiver in the act of making a catch.
Which means you can't hit his head or neck. And you can't lead with your helmet. If Tate did either of those then it was an illegal hit. If not then it was legal.
Which means you can't hit his head or neck. And you can't lead with your helmet. If Tate did either of those then it was an illegal hit. If not then it was legal.
mad sweeney
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Good thing he used his shoulder pads as much as the helmet. And you can lead with your head as long as you don't go helmet to helmet.'Chazzhawk said:
mad sweeney
Footballguy
No, primary point of contact was the chest. His helmet may have gotten up to the chin area but it was after the contact was initiated. If Tate were any taller it probably would've been illegal.'cracKer said:
mad sweeney
Footballguy
You hold your own team up to the lofty standard of not celebrating a big hit?'Bankerguy said:
Bankerguy
Footballguy
On borderline plays resulting in the other players being being hurt..and then celebrating about it..yeah not a fan.Dez Bryant makes that same block he would be called a thug and showboat.
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mad sweeney
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By you? Because that's what I'm asking. I don't recall Tate even looking back and knowing if Lee was hurt or not. He's a small guy and it was a solid decleater to the chest that guys pop right back from as often as not.
mad sweeney
Footballguy
Pereira blows goats. What were his reasons?
cracKer
Shawn Culcasi
Defenseless player I'm sure, not just applied to receivers
he's running to make a freaking tackle.jesus this game has turned into a game for #######.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
I like Ward vs Rivers better
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Have the rules changed since then?
Wadsworth
Footballguy
Message board macho in full effect as usual. The NFL and the world have moved on from glorifying helmet to head blindside shots. The hit is illegal. If you do not like it then go watch bum fighting videos on YouTube while wearing your TapOut t-shirt and talking about how tough football was when you played in middle school. 
BespokeJort
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^^LOL. No it's not. It was to the chest.
The announcers were bawling about how it was a headshot (even though it wasn't), so my guess is that they probably described it to periera and asked what he thought (rather than periera actually watching the play) if he said it was illegal.
If it was a headshot what you wrote would be correct...but AFAIK a shot to the chest that slides up and glances negligibly off the head afterwards never gets called as a blow to the head...not to mention if it was really a headshot with that kind of force no way in hell Lee comes back into the game (because that's a major concussion for sure if so)
The announcers were bawling about how it was a headshot (even though it wasn't), so my guess is that they probably described it to periera and asked what he thought (rather than periera actually watching the play) if he said it was illegal.
If it was a headshot what you wrote would be correct...but AFAIK a shot to the chest that slides up and glances negligibly off the head afterwards never gets called as a blow to the head...not to mention if it was really a headshot with that kind of force no way in hell Lee comes back into the game (because that's a major concussion for sure if so)
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mad sweeney
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Specifically I mean. There was no hit to the head, there was no leading with the head, there was no launching, he waited until he was in front of Lee so no clipping type activity. How is it an illegal hit to MP?
mad sweeney
Footballguy
Cool, when there's a helmet to head hit, I'll agree with you. That description does not fit this hit though, so what else you got?Message board macho in full effect as usual. The NFL and the world have moved on from glorifying helmet to head blindside shots. The hit is illegal. If you do not like it then go watch bum fighting videos on YouTube while wearing your TapOut t-shirt and talking about how tough football was when you played in middle school.
Wadsworth
Footballguy
Did you watch the game or just that grainy YouTube highlight?Cool, when there's a helmet to head hit, I'll agree with you. That description does not fit this hit though, so what else you got?Message board macho in full effect as usual. The NFL and the world have moved on from glorifying helmet to head blindside shots. The hit is illegal. If you do not like it then go watch bum fighting videos on YouTube while wearing your TapOut t-shirt and talking about how tough football was when you played in middle school.
BespokeJort
Footballguy
I watched the game and it looked like he hit him in the chest to me
mad sweeney
Footballguy
Yeah, I watch all Seahawk games. I've seen it from all angles, in HD, on You Tube, I even have a gif that clearly shows no head to head contact (in fact, in frame by frame he hits Lee even lower than I thought), but don't know how/where to post it so you can see it. There's no head to head contact, period.Did you watch the game or just that grainy YouTube highlight?Cool, when there's a helmet to head hit, I'll agree with you. That description does not fit this hit though, so what else you got?Message board macho in full effect as usual. The NFL and the world have moved on from glorifying helmet to head blindside shots. The hit is illegal. If you do not like it then go watch bum fighting videos on YouTube while wearing your TapOut t-shirt and talking about how tough football was when you played in middle school.
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Donnybrook
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I wonder if Tate will get a fine. I kinda doubt he gets one since that would violate the NFL unwritten policy of only fining defensive players.
WiDDoW_MaKeR
Footballguy
http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/article/media_slots/photos/000/547/080/GoldenTate_TrucksSeanLee_original.gif?1347835012
http://img.bleacherreport.net/img/images/photos/001/891/599/Tate-1_crop_exact.jpeg?w=650&h=440&q=75
He clearly dropped his head and used it like a missle on a defenseless player. His helmet made direct initial contact with the facemask of Lee. If you don't see that... then either you are blind or you don't want to see it. The amazing thing is that this is overlooked, yet the Cowboys get a 15 personal foul for barely tapping the QB to guide him out of bounds. Amazing.
http://img.bleacherreport.net/img/images/photos/001/891/599/Tate-1_crop_exact.jpeg?w=650&h=440&q=75
He clearly dropped his head and used it like a missle on a defenseless player. His helmet made direct initial contact with the facemask of Lee. If you don't see that... then either you are blind or you don't want to see it. The amazing thing is that this is overlooked, yet the Cowboys get a 15 personal foul for barely tapping the QB to guide him out of bounds. Amazing.
mad sweeney
Footballguy
I tried to post the gif to flickr but I don't know how and it only posted up the last frame instead of the 3 or 4 frames that show the initial point of contact. Tate's helmet and shoulder hit at the same time right smack dab in the middle of Lee's numbers. If anyone knows how to upload a gif, I'll take help, otherwise it's available for viewing as a ruling picture at a different sit:e:.
mad sweeney
Footballguy
That second one isn't the initial contact, that's when his body rides up as the inertia is redirected up. The initial contact is shoulder and helmet at the same time right into the numbers with a clear patch of white viewable between Tate's helmet and Lee's chin. As in, no blue helmet hitting his chin. You're looking at what you want to see. Pause it right at contact and it's very clear, even moreso on the reverse angle that I can't figure out how to post. His shoulder pad hits him right on the 5 for crying out loud and the side of Tate's helmet is hitting the 0. You're right about the foul they did call, that was a bad call.
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Wadsworth
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We are just going to have to disagree on this. I see quite frankly a cheap shot with the crown of the helmet on a guy looking the other way.I like Tate and love WRs who hit. But to my eyes this is exactly the type of hit the NFL is trying to take out of the game.
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