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Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
I think its good for FF. At least it won't be a crapshoot of deciphering coachspeak. Wonder if they'd allow some supplemental-like picks, or simply penalize a resting team a few draft slots or something.an interesting comment to the original article.
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vikingdave
Footballguy
I hate Roger Goodell
CBower4545
Footballguy
Glad to hear they are looking at it. Being a NFL fan it's frustrating to watch all these games where teams lay down, oh yeah and now we get to watch the Jets get spanked in the playoffs. Awesome!
Ozymandias
Footballguy
It's all part of the game, and the Competition Committee are fools if they take this one on.
delusional
Footballguy
You are not alone.
knowledge dropper
Footballguy
Unenforceable and stupid. So the Colts play Peyton in a meaningless game to avoid losing a draft pick and he tears his ACL, how does that help the league?
Ted Lange as your Bartender
Footballguy
The only way to "fix" this is to re-calibrate the league's level of parity, which has gone away the last few years. If teams are able to clinch byes and HFA so early, you can't force them to play. So it needs to be harder for teams to clinch early.
I'm thinking this situation is merely cyclical, but it's possible that we are in a new age of haves and have-nots, due to a number of inept management groups, and a larger salary cap, which allows good teams keep more of their depth.
I'm thinking this situation is merely cyclical, but it's possible that we are in a new age of haves and have-nots, due to a number of inept management groups, and a larger salary cap, which allows good teams keep more of their depth.
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PolishNorbi
Footballguy
The worst part is teams get knocked out of the playoffs because of the teams laying down. It just becomes a mess. Jets would have never been close if the Colts or Bengals actually cared to play. I hope it comes back to hurt both those teams. As in Jets beat Bengals, they play the Colts, and beat them.
Jimmy James
Footballguy
Draft picks? No. That will just make the competitive balance problem worse.
I think what you have to do is determine which teams get home games and byes based at least in part on this. Teams make the playoffs based on their 16 game results. The team with the best record in the 16 game season is guaranteed one of the two byes in each conference (the #2 seed). Everything else in terms of who gets a home game and home field advantage throughout the playoffs is based on the last 3 weeks of the season. Teams that finish strong get home games and get that last bye. Teams that are waning open up on the road.
I think what you have to do is determine which teams get home games and byes based at least in part on this. Teams make the playoffs based on their 16 game results. The team with the best record in the 16 game season is guaranteed one of the two byes in each conference (the #2 seed). Everything else in terms of who gets a home game and home field advantage throughout the playoffs is based on the last 3 weeks of the season. Teams that finish strong get home games and get that last bye. Teams that are waning open up on the road.
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The Ref
Footballguy
Dear Goodell,
Thanks for stopping players from shooting at each other, beating up women, and getting drunk and running over everyday citizens. My hats off on a job well done for the most part.
That being said, as a Patriots fan, go bleep bleep bleep bleep bleepity yourself.
Lets stop worrying about the teams that go 0-5 and might back door a playoff birth and worry more about the teams that are doing things right to put them selves in a position to win a supper bowl.
Thanks for stopping players from shooting at each other, beating up women, and getting drunk and running over everyday citizens. My hats off on a job well done for the most part.
That being said, as a Patriots fan, go bleep bleep bleep bleep bleepity yourself.
Lets stop worrying about the teams that go 0-5 and might back door a playoff birth and worry more about the teams that are doing things right to put them selves in a position to win a supper bowl.
Sammy Traveller
Footballguy
Dear Mr. Goodell,
Don't even think about this.
Sincerely,
Wes Welker
Don't even think about this.
Sincerely,
Wes Welker
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
lol at the vitriol.
He "suggested" its something that needs to be addressed. I like the idea of forcing teams (through fines most likely) to at least list players out that will be out. The nfl put this rule in for sports betting. FF now plays a HUGE role in marketing and promoting the NFL. In fairness to both parties (and to fans who choose whether to buy tix to the last few games in large part to see marquee players) at least forcing them to list these types of decisions to list that on a pregame report. like most everyone I agree that draft picks are a lil silly as a solution to this "problem".
He "suggested" its something that needs to be addressed. I like the idea of forcing teams (through fines most likely) to at least list players out that will be out. The nfl put this rule in for sports betting. FF now plays a HUGE role in marketing and promoting the NFL. In fairness to both parties (and to fans who choose whether to buy tix to the last few games in large part to see marquee players) at least forcing them to list these types of decisions to list that on a pregame report. like most everyone I agree that draft picks are a lil silly as a solution to this "problem".
How does it help the league to have a bunch of scrubs playing in front of crowds paying full price?It would certainly help increase the value of TV contracts if it were guaranteed every game would be a legit contest.
How would this make any difference to Welker? Pats pulled Brady at the end of each half, they could have pulled Welker at any time, they chose not to.
trader jake
Footballguy
I'd rather he fixed the continuous gameplaying teams do with their injury reports each week.
Those things are ripe with questions that can lead to answers in troubling areas (gamblers).
Those things are ripe with questions that can lead to answers in troubling areas (gamblers).
Not if Goodell awards draft picks to *ALL* teams that play their starters for the whole game. I never saw anything that said he was specifically only going to award draft picks to PLAYOFF teams that played their starters.
Jimmy James
Footballguy
Isn't giving everybody a pick and then taking it away if you are found to monkey around with who starts and plays essentially the same thing as making teams forfeit picks?
There can only be so many picks based on the CBA, right? Mind you, I understand that we're about to get into some wild stuff there. Still, this would at least have to be negotiated with the PA at some point.
There can only be so many picks based on the CBA, right? Mind you, I understand that we're about to get into some wild stuff there. Still, this would at least have to be negotiated with the PA at some point.
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
yeah this is dumb like federal bribes to ostensibly force states to pass laws the feds can't make them do (18 drinking, seatbelts, etc) as an aside u know ga forfeits MILLIONS annually because they wont mandate seatbelts be used in pick up trucks (rural house members)
Father Guido Sarducci
Footballguy
So what if as a head coach I said that in my opinion the player in question was too injured to play in week 17. Is Goodell going to call me a liar, accuse me of benching, and not award me a draft choice? I don't see how that works.
I don't know what incentive will work.
Here's a comical idea. Maybe create a bonus first round pick in the middle of the first round. The draft choice is given away via lottery. For every win a team got the previous year, they get 5 ping pong balls. At the NFL draft, have some celebrity go up on the stage, smile to the fans, spin the hopper, and draw a ball. I think Father Guido Sarducci could handle this. He needs the work. Teams will try to win every game because every win is 5 more ping pong balls in their favor that might be selected by your Holiness.
I don't know what incentive will work.
Here's a comical idea. Maybe create a bonus first round pick in the middle of the first round. The draft choice is given away via lottery. For every win a team got the previous year, they get 5 ping pong balls. At the NFL draft, have some celebrity go up on the stage, smile to the fans, spin the hopper, and draw a ball. I think Father Guido Sarducci could handle this. He needs the work. Teams will try to win every game because every win is 5 more ping pong balls in their favor that might be selected by your Holiness.
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knowledge dropper
Footballguy
They seem to have no problem doing this to the fans for 4 preseason games.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Wes Welker, Anquan Boldin, DRC, and Ochocinco disagree.
Tanner9919
Footballguy
I read it like 'we're going to add a few more teams to postseason , instead of 6 teams per conference,we'll now have 8".2011, the year the NFL becomes the NBA or NHL?!?!
please, Mr Goodell, just say 'NO'...
Father Guido Sarducci
Footballguy
There been a very large fan backlash to the Colts throwing away a perfect season. That's what this is about. Whenever the fans get this upset, you kinda expect the league to take some sort of action.Truman is probably right. This is about money as much as anything. Fans hate paying full price to see their team not even try. If there was a rule where if the home team rested its starters, all fans in attendance got a full refund, I'm sure there would be no backlash at all. No chance in hell we get that solution, though.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
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Topes
Footballguy
He's just saying what people want to hear now.
They're not going to be looking at this (seriously) at all.
There's nothing they can do.
Award extra draft picks to the top teams? Yeah, that'll fly.
Plus, there is no way that not rewarding a team is not the same as punishing a team. That is, if they withhold extra draft picks from teams who rest starters, they are punishing them. It's like six baker's dozens of the other.
They're not going to be looking at this (seriously) at all.
There's nothing they can do.
Award extra draft picks to the top teams? Yeah, that'll fly.
Plus, there is no way that not rewarding a team is not the same as punishing a team. That is, if they withhold extra draft picks from teams who rest starters, they are punishing them. It's like six baker's dozens of the other.
Sammy Traveller
Footballguy
The only solution to keeping teams from resting starters is to reduce the number of playoff berths.
The fewer playoff berths, the more competition, and fewer chances for teams to rest starters.
The fewer playoff berths, the more competition, and fewer chances for teams to rest starters.
This is stupid. Let's say I play my starting QB the first half. Then, he goes down with a "phantom muscle strain" in the second half and must sit the second half. How will the league proove to me the injury is not legit. Now, is the NFL going to dispatch doctors to every game to verify these injuries. I think they are meddling with something that is borderline unenforceable.M
H.K.
Footballguy
You see, instead, I am going to organize a special, blue-ribbon, fact-finding commission, made up of myself and... Miss Betty Childs. ...The other danger of this rule could be that if you make the incentive great enough for starters play the whole game, are coaches then going to force a "dinged up" starter to play and possibly aggravate the injury (e.g. take Steven Jackson for an example) when taking a rest would be prudent?
It's just a terrible idea on every level.
M
It's just a terrible idea on every level.
M
Wilbur Wood
Footballguy
As someone who is a season ticket holder for an NFL team, I do think that this issue should be addressed. We already spend 20% of our ticket cost on bogus exhibition games. Rendering many Week 17 (and some Week 16) games also meaningless is a further rip off to season ticket holders.
#1 Agree that using draft choices does not work.
#2 I do think that a policy that dictates that teams must state their intentions to rest key players, all of the game, 3 quarters, 1/2 or a 1/4 of the game should be mandated. If the game is > 21 point lead by either team than backups can be put in who are not listed on the "rest" report. People cite that the injury report will grow to circumvent this. Perhaps, but put in place a $500K fine for the 1st offense and a $1M fine for offenses thereafter for abusing this. Believe me in this twitter/internet age these types of abuses have a risk of being disclosed. Plus, the NFL is still an "old boys club" and if NFL owners mandate a new approach, I do think that some change in tactics will occur.
#3 Wes Welker. Blew out his ACL on a play with no contact early in the game. Actually a juncture in the game that Reggie Wayne of the Colts was still playing in each of Week 16 and 17. So bad example.
#4 Injuries are part of football. Peyton Manning doesn't get hurt anyway. But if the Colts are up by 10 pts they can certainly alter their play calling, run the ball more, max protect on throws, etc and "assure" no stupid injury for Manning.
Bottom line on someone that spends a lot of money on the NFL, I would much prefer 17 Weeks of competitive football every season at the expense of a handful of extra injuries each year to teams that are in the playoffs (and its very rarely the marquee QB anyway).
#1 Agree that using draft choices does not work.
#2 I do think that a policy that dictates that teams must state their intentions to rest key players, all of the game, 3 quarters, 1/2 or a 1/4 of the game should be mandated. If the game is > 21 point lead by either team than backups can be put in who are not listed on the "rest" report. People cite that the injury report will grow to circumvent this. Perhaps, but put in place a $500K fine for the 1st offense and a $1M fine for offenses thereafter for abusing this. Believe me in this twitter/internet age these types of abuses have a risk of being disclosed. Plus, the NFL is still an "old boys club" and if NFL owners mandate a new approach, I do think that some change in tactics will occur.
#3 Wes Welker. Blew out his ACL on a play with no contact early in the game. Actually a juncture in the game that Reggie Wayne of the Colts was still playing in each of Week 16 and 17. So bad example.
#4 Injuries are part of football. Peyton Manning doesn't get hurt anyway. But if the Colts are up by 10 pts they can certainly alter their play calling, run the ball more, max protect on throws, etc and "assure" no stupid injury for Manning.
Bottom line on someone that spends a lot of money on the NFL, I would much prefer 17 Weeks of competitive football every season at the expense of a handful of extra injuries each year to teams that are in the playoffs (and its very rarely the marquee QB anyway).
fantasyplayer
Footballguy
Admittedly, I don't know the answer, but I don't see why announcing your intentions makes any difference. Except for fantasy football and gambling, which the commissioner shouldn't be concerned with.
Doug B
Footballguy
You see, instead, I am going to organize a special, blue-ribbon, fact-finding commission, made up of myself and... Miss Betty Childs. ...
Addai's Adidas
Footballguy
oh, my back. I can't play this week.
theplayer11
Footballguy
sounds like anyone who favors this is a fan of an team that rarely has a shot at winning it all. Teams should be allowed to rest anyone they choose..they earned it...other teams like Houston, stop your whining
Wilbur Wood
Footballguy
What this response (and you are not alone so this not directed at you personally) is that the NFL is $6 Billion per year business and not some amateur tournament who's sole aim is to crown a champion.So what is clearly in the best interest of the fan bases of ~~ 25 out of 32 NFL teams is a much more important voice to be heard and lisitened to than that of Bill Polian and the Colts. In addition, the mega billion dollar network TV contracts are de-valued because the ratings for Week 17 games are in some cases dramatically reduced.The status quo is BAD BUSINESS.
Shaolin Hangman
Footballguy
Yeah, make sure to look at teams resting their starters as you also consider expanding the season to 18 games, Roger. 
Anthony Borbely
Footballguy
Yeah, the mockery known as the injury reports will solve the problem.
Ralph Furley
Footballguy
The reality is there is no way to regulate this. I think it would be impossible for the league to MANDATE a competitive game.
Yes fans are upset, and teams are upset, but at the end of the day I don't see an equitable solution.
Teams earn the right to rest players, whether we like it or not.
It is simply part of the NFL, no reason why this year is any different.
Outside of the Indy/Jet game last week, I have never had issue with a team resting players and have always believed it to be a legitimate part of the game.
Yes fans are upset, and teams are upset, but at the end of the day I don't see an equitable solution.
Teams earn the right to rest players, whether we like it or not.
It is simply part of the NFL, no reason why this year is any different.
Outside of the Indy/Jet game last week, I have never had issue with a team resting players and have always believed it to be a legitimate part of the game.
Hoss_Cartwright
Footballguy
I believe this is being looked at wrong. Teams shouldn't be compensated with draft picks for playing their starters, they should be penalized draft picks for not playing their starters. Then should a player go down to injury and miss the playoffs, that team would be awarded draft picks as predetermined by the league for the value of specific players. All players in the league on teams with a chance at being in the playoffs in week 15 and beyond would carry a compensation pick value.
ETA - Perhaps no pick other than a 4th, 5th, or 6th would ever be awarded, but a team could lose a 2nd, 3rd, or 4th for not playing their starters.
ETA - Perhaps no pick other than a 4th, 5th, or 6th would ever be awarded, but a team could lose a 2nd, 3rd, or 4th for not playing their starters.
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Shaolin Hangman
Footballguy
This is Bad Idea Jeans.
Hoss_Cartwright
Footballguy
Why is that? If starters are played and there are no injuries, no compensation picks are awarded. Should a star player tear his ACL a compensation pick is awarded. I'm not saying they would get a 1st or 2nd rd pick here, but should Manning go down a 4th rd pick would be in order, and a lesser pick for a lesser player. Perhaps no pick other than a 4th, 5th, or 6th would ever be awarded, but a team could lose a 2nd, 3rd, or 4th for not playing their starters.
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