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Goodell: Thursday Night expansion to 13 games in 2012 (1 Viewer)
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cobalt_27
Footballguy
Learn how to use your DVR. Seriously, this can't be that hard.But if the game I want to watch is on Thursday night instead of Sunday when I am not working (with the package I can watch whichever I want), then I'm s.o.l.. The more Thursday night games, the less choice on Sunday.Huh?! I'm confused by this statement. You can watch only one game at any particular moment.........thus the more games that are on at different times = more games one can watch, right? Oh course if you don't have NFL Network I can see you gripe.That's the issue. More prime time games = less games I get to watch.I agree....what's with all the whiny little B's around here lately? Everyone complains about every little thing. Must be that time of the month or a bunch of Packers fans still salt over the Giants loss even though the refs tried to hand them the game.
IMO the more football I have an opportunity to watch, the better. Now I wished they'd have an equal amount of 1 PM vs 4 PM games. Six 1 PM and Six 4 pm games split evenly would make a lot more sense to me.
cobalt_27
Footballguy
You really haven't thought this through have you? If all you care about is making it to the super bowl, then the Thursday night spots shouldn't be an issue at all. Your opponent is equally as likely to have a QB in the same scenario on Thursday games. Not sure why you think that day of the week would preferentially pick on you and your team.Um, I think I made my point about being a fan of a certain team and the fantasy side, which I care less about...It's more important to me that my real NFL team stays healthy and get to a Super Bowl, if you want to be a fantasy geek and watch football every night why don't you have drafts for the Indoor and ladies leagues...I've been a bigtime football fan since the early 70's and love football and I'm as big a fan of the NFL as anyone, and this is not a nice move. The last thing I want to see is the starting QB of my favorite team limping around on one foot trying to get ready for a thursday game when he COULD'VE had three more days to heal up and play. In the NFL one game can cost you the playoffs, and that game could be an early season game that could've been won if you didn't have one or two key starters out that week because it was a midweek game.Everyone in here that likes this move is just thinking about themselves and "what else am I gonna watch on thursday night" and it's great for us fans, yeah it's great for us fans until you see key starters missing games every week on thursday.Seriously? Maybe you could start up a flag football league and hold a draft. That way you won't have to worry about this, and you could avoid Thursday night football like the plague all you wanted.I absolutely don't understand all the anxiety over this. It's flat out ####### awesome to get regular Thursday night games. /endthread
cdwood
Footballguy
I'm going on record as a football viewing fan that I'm only luke warm on the idea of Thursday night football all season long, and on the record as a fantasy football player that I hate it.
The football games on Thursday are not the greatest product to watch because of the short turnaround time from the Sunday games, players need the longer rest between games, a full week is a lot better than 3 days. I have Sunday Ticket so I like the greater choice of games on Sunday. This past season, I may have only watched 2-3 of the Thursday games because the matchups weren't cant miss games, and one of those games was the Falcons-Jaguars game because I'm a Jaguars fan. But I would even use that as an example of a poor product because the Jaguars were a poor team and I doubt that it got a good rating. The other thing, as has been mentioned, there are competing things I might rather watch on Thursday such as college football and hockey. If more prime-time games were truly better, the NFL would move to having games almost every night of the week like the NBA and NHL.
As a fantasy football player, I really like having a few days of downtime Tuesday-Thursday before having to do my research on the next week on Fridays for the weekend games. With Thursday games, you really only get Tuesday as an off day from the NFL before having to do research on Wednesday to ensure you get your waiver picks, pickem selections made before the Thursday deadline.
The football games on Thursday are not the greatest product to watch because of the short turnaround time from the Sunday games, players need the longer rest between games, a full week is a lot better than 3 days. I have Sunday Ticket so I like the greater choice of games on Sunday. This past season, I may have only watched 2-3 of the Thursday games because the matchups weren't cant miss games, and one of those games was the Falcons-Jaguars game because I'm a Jaguars fan. But I would even use that as an example of a poor product because the Jaguars were a poor team and I doubt that it got a good rating. The other thing, as has been mentioned, there are competing things I might rather watch on Thursday such as college football and hockey. If more prime-time games were truly better, the NFL would move to having games almost every night of the week like the NBA and NHL.
As a fantasy football player, I really like having a few days of downtime Tuesday-Thursday before having to do my research on the next week on Fridays for the weekend games. With Thursday games, you really only get Tuesday as an off day from the NFL before having to do research on Wednesday to ensure you get your waiver picks, pickem selections made before the Thursday deadline.
mad sweeney
Footballguy
It's very rare to make it through a game-night at work without overhearing somebody giving score updates. Or, having to watch a game in the 10 hours between getting off work and having to be back. It's seriously not very hard to understand how some people's work interferes with watching primetime games.Learn how to use your DVR. Seriously, this can't be that hard.But if the game I want to watch is on Thursday night instead of Sunday when I am not working (with the package I can watch whichever I want), then I'm s.o.l.. The more Thursday night games, the less choice on Sunday.Huh?! I'm confused by this statement. You can watch only one game at any particular moment.........thus the more games that are on at different times = more games one can watch, right? Oh course if you don't have NFL Network I can see you gripe.That's the issue. More prime time games = less games I get to watch.
IMO the more football I have an opportunity to watch, the better. Now I wished they'd have an equal amount of 1 PM vs 4 PM games. Six 1 PM and Six 4 pm games split evenly would make a lot more sense to me.
cobalt_27
Footballguy
By extension, then you should favor getting rid of all Monday night football games.The arguments for prohibiting prime time football games are so incredibly weak.It's very rare to make it through a game-night at work without overhearing somebody giving score updates. Or, having to watch a game in the 10 hours between getting off work and having to be back. It's seriously not very hard to understand how some people's work interferes with watching primetime games.Learn how to use your DVR. Seriously, this can't be that hard.But if the game I want to watch is on Thursday night instead of Sunday when I am not working (with the package I can watch whichever I want), then I'm s.o.l.. The more Thursday night games, the less choice on Sunday.Huh?! I'm confused by this statement. You can watch only one game at any particular moment.........thus the more games that are on at different times = more games one can watch, right? Oh course if you don't have NFL Network I can see you gripe.That's the issue. More prime time games = less games I get to watch.
IMO the more football I have an opportunity to watch, the better. Now I wished they'd have an equal amount of 1 PM vs 4 PM games. Six 1 PM and Six 4 pm games split evenly would make a lot more sense to me.
mad sweeney
Footballguy
I'm not against MNF since it's been around forever and it's only 1 game a week. Plus Monday's are the days I'm most likely to get off work in time to catch some or all of it. However, by extension, I'm against ADDING more prime time games. Which is the topic being discussed, by extension.By extension, then you should favor getting rid of all Monday night football games.The arguments for prohibiting prime time football games are so incredibly weak.It's very rare to make it through a game-night at work without overhearing somebody giving score updates. Or, having to watch a game in the 10 hours between getting off work and having to be back. It's seriously not very hard to understand how some people's work interferes with watching primetime games.Learn how to use your DVR. Seriously, this can't be that hard.But if the game I want to watch is on Thursday night instead of Sunday when I am not working (with the package I can watch whichever I want), then I'm s.o.l.. The more Thursday night games, the less choice on Sunday.Huh?! I'm confused by this statement. You can watch only one game at any particular moment.........thus the more games that are on at different times = more games one can watch, right? Oh course if you don't have NFL Network I can see you gripe.That's the issue. More prime time games = less games I get to watch.
IMO the more football I have an opportunity to watch, the better. Now I wished they'd have an equal amount of 1 PM vs 4 PM games. Six 1 PM and Six 4 pm games split evenly would make a lot more sense to me.
golfguy
Footballguy
cobalt_27
Footballguy
Well, we wouldn't want to inconvenience you or anything. Maybe they'll show the game on tv where you're waitressing on Thursday nights.I'm not against MNF since it's been around forever and it's only 1 game a week. Plus Monday's are the days I'm most likely to get off work in time to catch some or all of it. However, by extension, I'm against ADDING more prime time games. Which is the topic being discussed, by extension.By extension, then you should favor getting rid of all Monday night football games.The arguments for prohibiting prime time football games are so incredibly weak.It's very rare to make it through a game-night at work without overhearing somebody giving score updates. Or, having to watch a game in the 10 hours between getting off work and having to be back. It's seriously not very hard to understand how some people's work interferes with watching primetime games.Learn how to use your DVR. Seriously, this can't be that hard.But if the game I want to watch is on Thursday night instead of Sunday when I am not working (with the package I can watch whichever I want), then I'm s.o.l.. The more Thursday night games, the less choice on Sunday.Huh?! I'm confused by this statement. You can watch only one game at any particular moment.........thus the more games that are on at different times = more games one can watch, right? Oh course if you don't have NFL Network I can see you gripe.That's the issue. More prime time games = less games I get to watch.
IMO the more football I have an opportunity to watch, the better. Now I wished they'd have an equal amount of 1 PM vs 4 PM games. Six 1 PM and Six 4 pm games split evenly would make a lot more sense to me.
mad sweeney
Footballguy
By extension, you're pretty much useless. Why should I like something that's inconvenient for me? What a window-licker you must be.Well, we wouldn't want to inconvenience you or anything. Maybe they'll show the game on tv where you're waitressing on Thursday nights.I'm not against MNF since it's been around forever and it's only 1 game a week. Plus Monday's are the days I'm most likely to get off work in time to catch some or all of it. However, by extension, I'm against ADDING more prime time games. Which is the topic being discussed, by extension.By extension, then you should favor getting rid of all Monday night football games.The arguments for prohibiting prime time football games are so incredibly weak.It's very rare to make it through a game-night at work without overhearing somebody giving score updates. Or, having to watch a game in the 10 hours between getting off work and having to be back. It's seriously not very hard to understand how some people's work interferes with watching primetime games.Learn how to use your DVR. Seriously, this can't be that hard.But if the game I want to watch is on Thursday night instead of Sunday when I am not working (with the package I can watch whichever I want), then I'm s.o.l.. The more Thursday night games, the less choice on Sunday.Huh?! I'm confused by this statement. You can watch only one game at any particular moment.........thus the more games that are on at different times = more games one can watch, right? Oh course if you don't have NFL Network I can see you gripe.That's the issue. More prime time games = less games I get to watch.
IMO the more football I have an opportunity to watch, the better. Now I wished they'd have an equal amount of 1 PM vs 4 PM games. Six 1 PM and Six 4 pm games split evenly would make a lot more sense to me.
cobalt_27
Footballguy
Look, I'll tip you well on Wednesday nights so you can take Thursday nights off to watch the games. That way we don't have to hear your whining about them showing NFL games on prime time television slots.
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Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Hate the Thursday night games
fatness
Footballguy
So instead of selling the games to another network, they're on the money-losing NFL Network? I guess the NFL wasn't really serious about that "not making enough money" stuff during the lockout.
cobalt_27
Footballguy
Look at you guys finding any way to remain bitter about the owners. Even when you get more prime time football games, you have to find a pity party somewhere. Perhaps the NFL owners, who presumably have a lot more business sense than all of us combined, are banking on the future growth of the NFLN and that this would project into greater future revenues than selling out those games to Fox, NBC, CBS or ABC/ESPN. Seriously, enjoy some football next year. Or take up soccer.
Nipsey
Footballguy
Watching this guy now on the Costas town hall. What a twerp. Guy sounds like a politician. Defends ridiculous ticket prices, blackouts and brings up concussions in women's soccer to downplay head injuries in the nfl. All the while being the driving force who keeps internet wagering illegal so they can rake in maximum advertizing dollars. Greed gonna kill this sport.
Nipsey
Footballguy
A full slate of sunday games is best. Now you lose a game a week and also some weeks with 4-5 teams off on a bye? Stupid.
Couch Potato
Footballguy
When they add two more teams you'll get your lost Sunday game back. It'll be sooner than sly ol' Roger is letting on. They want expansion teams in LA and overseas sooner rather than later.
mad sweeney
Footballguy
Which is the biggest crock of #### in his whole arsenal. Utterly absurd.
Couch Potato
Footballguy
Yeah, but they'll figger out a way. Schedule-wise it'd be tricky, but with the Thu and Mon games it actually gives a little more flexibility for them.As for LA, I heard him on Mike and Mike's SB special this AM and he was blah blah blahing about how it'd take 3 years to build a stadium, etc... but you know they could have a team up and running in 2013 if they wanted to, playing somewhere temporarily until something is built.
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fatness
Footballguy
It's Mr. Credibility himself, the guy who repeatedly posted wrong numbers about the NFL's income during the lockout. He'd get corrected about it, wait 4-5 pages until he thought nobody was looking, and post the wrong numbers again. How many times did you do that? 4? 5?
"How high, Roger?"
fatness
Footballguy
Couch Potato
Footballguy
Look out high school footballers, your Friday nights are next!Ah, life as a couch potato is gooooooood!
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cobalt_27
Footballguy
Paranoid much? I'm sorry your agenda in support of having no season was squandered. The rest of us are certainly pleased you didn't get your way. You and wdcrob were so invested in making stuff up in support of the players, you pulled #### out of your asses all spring. The income numbers I and many others posted didn't fit the stories you were trying to spin. Unfortunately for you guys, they were facts. I think we all were guilty during that time of inaccurate/incomplete information, and at least I had the intellectual honesty to come in and say so when that happened. Meanwhile, you guys were too busy trying to rally the troops in hope for a null 2011 season just to stick it to the owners to identify all of the times you were factually inaccurate.Nothing seems to have changed.It's Mr. Credibility himself, the guy who repeatedly posted wrong numbers about the NFL's income during the lockout. He'd get corrected about it, wait 4-5 pages until he thought nobody was looking, and post the wrong numbers again. How many times did you do that? 4? 5?
I don't care about other teams injuries, I just worry about the ones that my NFL team has to deal with. Yes, Thursday is no good for either team, so that's even more reason not to play every thursday...You really haven't thought this through have you? If all you care about is making it to the super bowl, then the Thursday night spots shouldn't be an issue at all. Your opponent is equally as likely to have a QB in the same scenario on Thursday games. Not sure why you think that day of the week would preferentially pick on you and your team.Um, I think I made my point about being a fan of a certain team and the fantasy side, which I care less about...It's more important to me that my real NFL team stays healthy and get to a Super Bowl, if you want to be a fantasy geek and watch football every night why don't you have drafts for the Indoor and ladies leagues...I've been a bigtime football fan since the early 70's and love football and I'm as big a fan of the NFL as anyone, and this is not a nice move. The last thing I want to see is the starting QB of my favorite team limping around on one foot trying to get ready for a thursday game when he COULD'VE had three more days to heal up and play. In the NFL one game can cost you the playoffs, and that game could be an early season game that could've been won if you didn't have one or two key starters out that week because it was a midweek game.Everyone in here that likes this move is just thinking about themselves and "what else am I gonna watch on thursday night" and it's great for us fans, yeah it's great for us fans until you see key starters missing games every week on thursday.
cobalt_27
Footballguy
It's logically inconsistent to care about your team's success (which understandably relates to your concerns about your QB's health), but at the same time being ambivalent towards the other team's injury situation. Would it not improve your a team's chances of a win if they were facing Charlie Batch instead of Roethlisberger? Chase Daniels instead of Drew Brees? Throw out the injury issue because (a) it's not likely to affect your team's playoff success/failure in that one 3 day window you get per year and (b) from an odds perspective your team has just as equal chance of getting bitten by this issue as it does capitalizing on it. But, if you don't like the Thursday prime time slots because you don't like watching football or you would rather not see your team play or you would rather not watch other football games on the Sundays while you are watching your team, then you have a strong argument for being all bent out of shape about the NFL increasing access to the sport.I don't care about other teams injuries, I just worry about the ones that my NFL team has to deal with. Yes, Thursday is no good for either team, so that's even more reason not to play every thursday...You really haven't thought this through have you? If all you care about is making it to the super bowl, then the Thursday night spots shouldn't be an issue at all. Your opponent is equally as likely to have a QB in the same scenario on Thursday games. Not sure why you think that day of the week would preferentially pick on you and your team.Um, I think I made my point about being a fan of a certain team and the fantasy side, which I care less about...It's more important to me that my real NFL team stays healthy and get to a Super Bowl, if you want to be a fantasy geek and watch football every night why don't you have drafts for the Indoor and ladies leagues...I've been a bigtime football fan since the early 70's and love football and I'm as big a fan of the NFL as anyone, and this is not a nice move. The last thing I want to see is the starting QB of my favorite team limping around on one foot trying to get ready for a thursday game when he COULD'VE had three more days to heal up and play. In the NFL one game can cost you the playoffs, and that game could be an early season game that could've been won if you didn't have one or two key starters out that week because it was a midweek game.Everyone in here that likes this move is just thinking about themselves and "what else am I gonna watch on thursday night" and it's great for us fans, yeah it's great for us fans until you see key starters missing games every week on thursday.
GregR
Footballguy
Won't likely be a problem barring new laws from Congress.There is a Sports Broadcasting Act of 1961, which was made to provide exceptions to anti-trust laws necessary for sports leagues to negotiate broadcast rights as a single entity.Included in it is protection for high school and colleges in the form of a prohibition against broadcasting NFL games within 75 miles of a high school or college game being played on Friday or Saturday.'Couch Potato said:Look out high school footballers, your Friday nights are next!Ah, life as a couch potato is gooooooood!'fatness said:'otello said:
Couch Potato
Footballguy
Hmmm... I did not know this. Thanks.So the NFL wants to play more in Europe. The plot thickens. Friday in Paris anyone?Won't likely be a problem barring new laws from Congress.There is a Sports Broadcasting Act of 1961, which was made to provide exceptions to anti-trust laws necessary for sports leagues to negotiate broadcast rights as a single entity.Included in it is protection for high school and colleges in the form of a prohibition against broadcasting NFL games within 75 miles of a high school or college game being played on Friday or Saturday.'Couch Potato said:Look out high school footballers, your Friday nights are next!Ah, life as a couch potato is gooooooood!'fatness said:'otello said:
Shutout
Footballguy
You're only focussing on the aspect of key players with injuries but the overall product is impacted much more. Forget about if "Big Ben" is limping. Think more about how the guys that do play are affected. How can a guy, playing in a week 7 game and coming off of a short week possibly be putting his best effort out there? Now multiply that by every player on the team. I mean, its not my opinion on this; I'm thinking back to what the guys like Ray Lewis opinioned about it. You have great players in the league that are ALL about routines (have we not seen that a million times this week being reported leading up the SB?) and now you ask them to take a physical pounding and get out of their routine and then go out there on short weeks and play? THey MUST be subjecting themselves to poorer performance and increased risk. And then there is the aspect of being able to see it. Sure, for some of us its not a problem. But lots of people have work and family commitments that don't allow them to commit 4 days a week to the NFL. And half the country is in timezones where kickoff is occurring at 5-6pm. Even for the most traditional of work days/hours, that directly cuts into commuting, dinner time. I can totally see it if most of the people saying this great are younger guys that really don't have a lot of commitments with family and probably live further East than west, but when you have a guy living out West or has kids in sports (Thursdays are big school sporting event nights) or don't have NFL Network, then this makes things difficult.'Greg Russell said:
Shutout
Footballguy
Not sure I follow your point. You griped because you get a whole season of crappy Redskins games and then you say its good because everyone gets to see their team in primetime. It doesnt sound like you even want to see your team; why make everyone else have to do it?I have lived in various markets where the teams have been bad at the time I lived there and I get what you are saying about not wanting to watch a specific game, but at the end of the day, people are going to have to have NFL network (at least for now) to watch and then you still have the whole dynamic of people in earlier timezones having to try to watch the games at times when they would be working or just ending their day. Just one guy's opinion, but for fantasy its crazy: I think its going to increase, quite a bit, the number of missed games by guys. Probably will be a lot more posts in forums about people trying to figure out if their guy is "in" or "out" which will lead to a lot more "venting thread" material as people sat a guy that plays or starts a guy that is scratched). For reality, it makes things difficult (listed in previous posts). I have friends that are hating this. I have some that like it a lot. But the common thing I have noticed is the guys loving it tend to live more east and are, by and large, less committed to family and significant others and don't play fantay as much.
GregR
Footballguy
I don't think age or family has anything to do with it. If all the games are played Sunday you either have to flip between games and get to actually watch none of them, or choose just 1 to watch in each time slot. Or record and watch later.If a game is moved to Thursday, you have the opportunity to watch it Thursday night, Friday, Saturday, or Sunday morning. If you can't watch it in that time frame and it's the game you would have preferred to watch were it on Sunday, you can always watch it Sunday instead of the live games.Giving you more opportunity to fit watching it into your schedule should be helping a family man who wants to actually watch a game, not hurting you. The only thing you lose out is if you don't actually watch games, but instead just flip between them or watch the RZC.
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GregR
Footballguy
Now this is the thing I agree being an issue for people who don't have as much time. Not for fans who watch football, but for fantasy football owners specifically. Having a Thursday game makes for tougher decisions. Do you start that backup who plays Thursday over your starter whose status you won't know until Saturday or Sunday. An FF owner will have to spend more time earlier in the week.I'm willing to live with that though for the extra opportunity to actually watch games. And also for every fan base to get to see their team play in prime time.
the turnip
Footballguy
If you work at that time, dvr it. Who watches live tv ever?
Carl Eller's Dead Liver
Footballguy
Start taking some of your Thursday evenings off then if there is a game you want to watch. You'll know the match-ups well ahead of time (schedule will be released mid-April). Just because it affects you negatively, doesn't mean it's a bad thing for the general football watching population. I don't understand the whining here man! I work my fair share of evenings too, working in a hospital......but if I truly don't want to miss a game, I'll take PTO and watch it.But if the game I want to watch is on Thursday night instead of Sunday when I am not working (with the package I can watch whichever I want), then I'm s.o.l.. The more Thursday night games, the less choice on Sunday.Huh?! I'm confused by this statement. You can watch only one game at any particular moment.........thus the more games that are on at different times = more games one can watch, right? Oh course if you don't have NFL Network I can see you gripe.That's the issue. More prime time games = less games I get to watch.
IMO the more football I have an opportunity to watch, the better. Now I wished they'd have an equal amount of 1 PM vs 4 PM games. Six 1 PM and Six 4 pm games split evenly would make a lot more sense to me.
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Neil Beaufort Zod
Footballguy
I think this is good from a fantasy standpoint as well. I like having a "sneak peek" at the week's results. If a player has a huge game (or a dud) that could affect how much risk I want to take with the rest of my lineup. If I knew my WR1 was going to have a bad game, it might affect who I put in at QB (higher ceiling, maybe). Conversely, if my WR1 has a huge game I can maybe consider a safer play with a high floor at QB.
I don't see how this is bad from any perspective, except that teams have fewer days to rest before a game. But on the other hand, they get extra rest before the following game, meaning an injury in the Thursday game might not affect the following week.
This is a win for fans, whether they play fantasy or not.
I don't see how this is bad from any perspective, except that teams have fewer days to rest before a game. But on the other hand, they get extra rest before the following game, meaning an injury in the Thursday game might not affect the following week.
This is a win for fans, whether they play fantasy or not.
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Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Oh no... There is an NFL FOOTBALL GAME tomorrow!Best thing E-V-E-R!!!
Best thing E-V-E-R!!!
Goodell could offer everyone everyone a free beer and some would complain that its Budweiser and not a Troggenator Double Boch IPA Lime directly from a tap
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