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Not sure the break things model that so much of the fast moving tech bros often live by is a good approach for our aviation system.
They might try but there is zero chance they will understand to complexities of the entire system and why you can't just plug n play something new

And it frightening to see if they actually try. Plugging into an secure operational system is probably the most dangerous possible thing you can do
According to Sean Duffy that’s already happening. He said DOGE is plugging in to upgrade our aviation system.

 
I wanted to take a look at the actual things that usaid funds (if all that information is even available) and the usaid.gov website says

On Friday, February 7, 2025, at 11:59 pm (EST) all USAID direct hire personnel will be placed on administrative leave globally, with the exception of designated personnel responsible for mission-critical functions, core leadership and specially designated programs. Essential personnel expected to continue working will be informed by Agency leadership by Thursday, February 6, at 3:00pm (EST).

For USAID personnel currently posted outside the United States, the Agency, in coordination with missions and the Department of State, is currently preparing a plan, in accordance with all applicable requirements and laws, under which the Agency would arrange and pay for return travel to the United States within 30 days and provide for the termination of PSC and ISC contracts that are not determined to be essential. The Agency will consider case-by-case exceptions and return travel extensions based on personal or family hardship, mobility or safety concerns, or other reasons. For example, the Agency will consider exceptions based on the timing of dependents’ school term, personal or familial medical needs, pregnancy, and other reasons. Further guidance on how to request an exception will be forthcoming.

Thank you for your service.
 
Not sure the break things model that so much of the fast moving tech bros often live by is a good approach for our aviation system.
They might try but there is zero chance they will understand to complexities of the entire system and why you can't just plug n play something new

And it frightening to see if they actually try. Plugging into an secure operational system is probably the most dangerous possible thing you can do
According to Sean Duffy that’s already happening. He said DOGE is plugging in to upgrade our aviation system.

My point is the aviation system is not one thing. It's multiple systems that work in harmony together to produce safe air travel. NOTAM is a pilot system, ATC has a system, ground control has a system, airline booking systems are not part of FAA

Inside the ATC system there are multitude of layers that track flights from 0 ft to 45000 ft.... From all over the country. These systems are installed all over the country.

There are tons of new safety enhancements in the software. There is another big technology upgrade on its way.

Yes some of the technology needs to be upgraded 100%......but every possible scenario needs to be accounted for to prevent deaths. That's one reason things move slowly. It's to ensure the software is a safe as humanly possible.

This is not something you can just say "cool we made an upgrade" good to go....

At least that's how it works now and should work with anything they try
 
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Btw there is also a defense contract company that has current involvement so that would be interesting

I guess it's public knowledge but I just feel weird posting all the information lol
 
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I wanted to take a look at the actual things that usaid funds (if all that information is even available) and the usaid.gov website says

On Friday, February 7, 2025, at 11:59 pm (EST) all USAID direct hire personnel will be placed on administrative leave globally, with the exception of designated personnel responsible for mission-critical functions, core leadership and specially designated programs. Essential personnel expected to continue working will be informed by Agency leadership by Thursday, February 6, at 3:00pm (EST).

For USAID personnel currently posted outside the United States, the Agency, in coordination with missions and the Department of State, is currently preparing a plan, in accordance with all applicable requirements and laws, under which the Agency would arrange and pay for return travel to the United States within 30 days and provide for the termination of PSC and ISC contracts that are not determined to be essential. The Agency will consider case-by-case exceptions and return travel extensions based on personal or family hardship, mobility or safety concerns, or other reasons. For example, the Agency will consider exceptions based on the timing of dependents’ school term, personal or familial medical needs, pregnancy, and other reasons. Further guidance on how to request an exception will be forthcoming.

Thank you for your service.
 
Not sure the break things model that so much of the fast moving tech bros often live by is a good approach for our aviation system.
They might try but there is zero chance they will understand to complexities of the entire system and why you can't just plug n play something new

And it frightening to see if they actually try. Plugging into an secure operational system is probably the most dangerous possible thing you can do
According to Sean Duffy that’s already happening. He said DOGE is plugging in to upgrade our aviation system.

My point is the aviation system is not one thing. It's multiple systems that work in harmony together to produce safe air travel. NOTAM is a pilot system, ATC has a system, ground control has a system, airline booking systems are not part of FAA

Inside the ATC system there are multitude of layers that track flights from 0 ft to 45000 ft.... From all over the country. These systems are installed all over the country.

There are tons of new safety enhancements in the software. There is another big technology upgrade on its way.

Yes some of the technology needs to be upgraded 100%......but every possible scenario needs to be accounted for to prevent deaths. That's one reason things move slowly. It's to ensure the software is a safe as humanly possible.

This is not something you can just say "cool we made an upgrade" good to go....

At least that's how it works now and should work with anything they try
As someone who flies almost every week, it terrifies me to think that these guys believe they can fix the aviation systems……with zero domain knowledge…..
 
Not sure the break things model that so much of the fast moving tech bros often live by is a good approach for our aviation system.
They might try but there is zero chance they will understand to complexities of the entire system and why you can't just plug n play something new

And it frightening to see if they actually try. Plugging into an secure operational system is probably the most dangerous possible thing you can do
According to Sean Duffy that’s already happening. He said DOGE is plugging in to upgrade our aviation system.

My point is the aviation system is not one thing. It's multiple systems that work in harmony together to produce safe air travel. NOTAM is a pilot system, ATC has a system, ground control has a system, airline booking systems are not part of FAA

Inside the ATC system there are multitude of layers that track flights from 0 ft to 45000 ft.... From all over the country. These systems are installed all over the country.

There are tons of new safety enhancements in the software. There is another big technology upgrade on its way.

Yes some of the technology needs to be upgraded 100%......but every possible scenario needs to be accounted for to prevent deaths. That's one reason things move slowly. It's to ensure the software is a safe as humanly possible.

This is not something you can just say "cool we made an upgrade" good to go....

At least that's how it works now and should work with anything they try
As someone who flies almost every week, it terrifies me to think that these guys believe they can fix the aviation systems……with zero domain knowledge…..
Hopefully you're not the beta test
 
Not sure the break things model that so much of the fast moving tech bros often live by is a good approach for our aviation system.
They might try but there is zero chance they will understand to complexities of the entire system and why you can't just plug n play something new

And it frightening to see if they actually try. Plugging into an secure operational system is probably the most dangerous possible thing you can do
According to Sean Duffy that’s already happening. He said DOGE is plugging in to upgrade our aviation system.

My point is the aviation system is not one thing. It's multiple systems that work in harmony together to produce safe air travel. NOTAM is a pilot system, ATC has a system, ground control has a system, airline booking systems are not part of FAA

Inside the ATC system there are multitude of layers that track flights from 0 ft to 45000 ft.... From all over the country. These systems are installed all over the country.

There are tons of new safety enhancements in the software. There is another big technology upgrade on its way.

Yes some of the technology needs to be upgraded 100%......but every possible scenario needs to be accounted for to prevent deaths. That's one reason things move slowly. It's to ensure the software is a safe as humanly possible.

This is not something you can just say "cool we made an upgrade" good to go....

At least that's how it works now and should work with anything they try
As someone who flies almost every week, it terrifies me to think that these guys believe they can fix the aviation systems……with zero domain knowledge…..
Hopefully you're not the beta test
No doubt
 
We send like $1B to barber shop schools.
Are you sure this is true? It seems unlikely.
This stood out to me as well. @Brunell4MVP , do you have a link to your source that the government is funding barber shop schools to the tune of $1B?
Might be possible if he is talking about Pell Grant money. I'm guessing barber and cosmetology school students could apply and receive money for that.

Seeing as how we fund $27B a year for Pell Grants.....

A quick google search is where I got that info.
A decent bit of time spent looking for the "$1B for barber schools" claim has convinced me it's just baloney.
I doubt @Brunell4MVP intended to do that.
 
Not sure the break things model that so much of the fast moving tech bros often live by is a good approach for our aviation system.
They might try but there is zero chance they will understand to complexities of the entire system and why you can't just plug n play something new

And it frightening to see if they actually try. Plugging into an secure operational system is probably the most dangerous possible thing you can do
According to Sean Duffy that’s already happening. He said DOGE is plugging in to upgrade our aviation system.

My point is the aviation system is not one thing. It's multiple systems that work in harmony together to produce safe air travel. NOTAM is a pilot system, ATC has a system, ground control has a system, airline booking systems are not part of FAA

Inside the ATC system there are multitude of layers that track flights from 0 ft to 45000 ft.... From all over the country. These systems are installed all over the country.

There are tons of new safety enhancements in the software. There is another big technology upgrade on its way.

Yes some of the technology needs to be upgraded 100%......but every possible scenario needs to be accounted for to prevent deaths. That's one reason things move slowly. It's to ensure the software is a safe as humanly possible.

This is not something you can just say "cool we made an upgrade" good to go....

At least that's how it works now and should work with anything they try
As someone who flies almost every week, it terrifies me to think that these guys believe they can fix the aviation systems……with zero domain knowledge…..
lol
We send like $1B to barber shop schools.
Are you sure this is true? It seems unlikely.
This stood out to me as well. @Brunell4MVP , do you have a link to your source that the government is funding barber shop schools to the tune of $1B?
Might be possible if he is talking about Pell Grant money. I'm guessing barber and cosmetology school students could apply and receive money for that.

Seeing as how we fund $27B a year for Pell Grants.....

A quick google search is where I got that info.
A decent bit of time spent looking for the "$1B for barber schools" claim has convinced me it's just baloney.
I doubt @Brunell4MVP intended to do that.
with all the poor spending choices at USAid to make up 1 billion for barbers seems odd
 
Our evaluations have changed, we no longer have a respect for others performance category :lmao: :lmao: To me it's wild to remove that since it's one of our core values but i'm just a minion. Officers no longer will have a workplace climate dimension to their oer's. :crazy:
 
Our evaluations have changed, we no longer have a respect for others performance category :lmao: :lmao: To me it's wild to remove that since it's one of our core values but i'm just a minion. Officers no longer will have a workplace climate dimension to their oer's. :crazy:
So you can create a toxic workplace atmosphere without consequence?
 
Our evaluations have changed, we no longer have a respect for others performance category :lmao: :lmao: To me it's wild to remove that since it's one of our core values but i'm just a minion. Officers no longer will have a workplace climate dimension to their oer's. :crazy:
So you can create a toxic workplace atmosphere without consequence?
who knows anymore, I feel like I've gone back to the future to 1999 but I've stayed my current age :kicksrock:
 
Our evaluations have changed, we no longer have a respect for others performance category :lmao: :lmao: To me it's wild to remove that since it's one of our core values but i'm just a minion. Officers no longer will have a workplace climate dimension to their oer's. :crazy:
So you can create a toxic workplace atmosphere without consequence?
Government separates performance from conduct. Performance Plans just focus on performance. There should be separate conduct rules. You can still discipline conduct issues even if they don't violate elements of a Performance Plan. In fact, conduct is much easier to address than performance.
 
Our evaluations have changed, we no longer have a respect for others performance category :lmao: :lmao: To me it's wild to remove that since it's one of our core values but i'm just a minion. Officers no longer will have a workplace climate dimension to their oer's. :crazy:
I'm not a fan of those workplace climate surveys for officers. Ours typically get 2 years in the seat. They spend 6 months learning the job, a year doing it and 6 months prepping for the next person/Their next assignment. We have a minimum of 40% response rate to the survey for it to be considered valid feedback. The people that mainly fill them out are the disgruntled and the "yes" men.

What are they going to replace the respect for others category with? We have Communication/Collaboration that probably mirrors a lot of the respect category.
 
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I am really disappointed that I cannot work for NARA or LOC for the for seeable future.

My nana was a clerk (civilian job) for a federal court for many years and was able to provide for her family.
 
BOSTON —
A federal judge in Boston is scheduled to hear a lawsuit filed by federal employee unions on Thursday afternoon. They are asking the court to stop President Donald Trump's deferred resignation program because it wasn't authorized by Congress.

Thursday's hearing about the legal challenge is expected to be held at 1 p.m., just hours before the midnight deadline by which more than 2 million federal employees need to decide if they'll take the administration's offer.
 
BOSTON —
A federal judge in Boston is scheduled to hear a lawsuit filed by federal employee unions on Thursday afternoon. They are asking the court to stop President Donald Trump's deferred resignation program because it wasn't authorized by Congress.

Thursday's hearing about the legal challenge is expected to be held at 1 p.m., just hours before the midnight deadline by which more than 2 million federal employees need to decide if they'll take the administration's offer.
Is the concern that the government isn't going honor the agreement? If people think the options are take the deferred resignation or get fired, why fight to take that option off the table?
 
BOSTON —
A federal judge in Boston is scheduled to hear a lawsuit filed by federal employee unions on Thursday afternoon. They are asking the court to stop President Donald Trump's deferred resignation program because it wasn't authorized by Congress.

Thursday's hearing about the legal challenge is expected to be held at 1 p.m., just hours before the midnight deadline by which more than 2 million federal employees need to decide if they'll take the administration's offer.
Is the concern that the government isn't going honor the agreement? If people think the options are take the deferred resignation or get fired, why fight to take that option off the table?
Fear it's not legal and you can't sue if they change their mind or lose funding in March

Because they are not at-will and would have to go through an authorized Rif with explicit reasoning
 
BOSTON —
A federal judge in Boston is scheduled to hear a lawsuit filed by federal employee unions on Thursday afternoon. They are asking the court to stop President Donald Trump's deferred resignation program because it wasn't authorized by Congress.

Thursday's hearing about the legal challenge is expected to be held at 1 p.m., just hours before the midnight deadline by which more than 2 million federal employees need to decide if they'll take the administration's offer.
Is the concern that the government isn't going honor the agreement? If people think the options are take the deferred resignation or get fired, why fight to take that option off the table?
Imo, they are asking for the gun to be taken away from their head. This offer came out of nowhere and it came with unusually harsh language declaring government employees somewhat worthless which can be a gut punch I suppose. I personally do not trust the people behind this offer to be fair and so do not trust this offer at all. Add to that the lack of reliable guidance as spoken to in this thread, and by you, and you can see how government employees might want to slow this offer down a bit.
 
BOSTON —
A federal judge in Boston is scheduled to hear a lawsuit filed by federal employee unions on Thursday afternoon. They are asking the court to stop President Donald Trump's deferred resignation program because it wasn't authorized by Congress.

Thursday's hearing about the legal challenge is expected to be held at 1 p.m., just hours before the midnight deadline by which more than 2 million federal employees need to decide if they'll take the administration's offer.
Is the concern that the government isn't going honor the agreement? If people think the options are take the deferred resignation or get fired, why fight to take that option off the table?
Imo, they are asking for the gun to be taken away from their head. This offer came out of nowhere and it came with unusually harsh language declaring government employees somewhat worthless which can be a gut punch I suppose. I personally do not trust the people behind this offer to be fair and so do not trust this offer at all. Add to that the lack of reliable guidance as spoken to in this thread, and by you, and you can see how government employees might want to slow this offer down a bit.
The idea that there is a gun to their head is silly to me. Just don't take the deferred option and continue on. If they are more concerned with their agency being cut, this seems like a better option.

I'm a govt employee with limited faith in the government. I've seen the truly ugly side of it before. I don't see this as some evil plot. It's an option to get people out who were on the fence about continuing their employment with the government.
 
BOSTON —
A federal judge in Boston is scheduled to hear a lawsuit filed by federal employee unions on Thursday afternoon. They are asking the court to stop President Donald Trump's deferred resignation program because it wasn't authorized by Congress.

Thursday's hearing about the legal challenge is expected to be held at 1 p.m., just hours before the midnight deadline by which more than 2 million federal employees need to decide if they'll take the administration's offer.
Is the concern that the government isn't going honor the agreement? If people think the options are take the deferred resignation or get fired, why fight to take that option off the table?
Imo, they are asking for the gun to be taken away from their head. This offer came out of nowhere and it came with unusually harsh language declaring government employees somewhat worthless which can be a gut punch I suppose. I personally do not trust the people behind this offer to be fair and so do not trust this offer at all. Add to that the lack of reliable guidance as spoken to in this thread, and by you, and you can see how government employees might want to slow this offer down a bit.
The idea that there is a gun to their head is silly to me. Just don't take the deferred option and continue on. If they are more concerned with their agency being cut, this seems like a better option.

I'm a govt employee with limited faith in the government. I've seen the truly ugly side of it before. I don't see this as some evil plot. It's an option to get people out who were on the fence about continuing their employment with the government.
The problem is that there are legitimate risks on both sides of the deal. If someone takes the deal and the gov't reneges, the recipient has little/no recourse. The TRO being requested by the union would afford more time to sort those out and resolve the uncertainties and legalities so people can make more informed decisions.
 
Yep. There has been virtually zero guidance and the answers seem to change with each iteration. And you were given 1.5 week to decide.....

They want to do it cool. Have an actual congressional approval, signed HR letter etc

HR still doesn't know what to do
Exactly. Government employees are used to things being done in a particular way. Our entire life is that things have to follow certain procedures and certain forms have to be completed in a certain way in order for things to be legit. Sure, that may be stupid at times, but it's the world we live in. We certainly aren't used to official personnel actions occurring by replying with one word in an email to someone outside our agency based on an email that looks like emails we've been trained to identify as spam. And, when we go to ask our own agency how all this works, they don't know because they aren't in the loop. It probably wouldn't be that hard to do all this in a more official manner. That might take 6 months instead of 2 weeks, but it would be more likely to work. Issue guidance, have conversations through the chain of command about what is happening, allow time for interpretation and questions to be asked to clarify those interpretations, properly train the HR professionals so they can answer employees' questions and properly process everything.
 
NBC

But three Education Department officials told NBC News that Rachel Oglesby, the department’s new chief of staff, and Jacqueline Clay, its chief human capital officer, described significant caveats to the so-called Fork in the Road offer in an all-staff meeting held over Zoom on Wednesday. The officials did not want to be named for fear of retaliation.

The education secretary would be allowed to rescind the agreement, or the government could stop paying, and employees who took the deferred resignation package would waive all legal claims, the three officials said they were told in the meeting. The three employees say they have seen only sample resignation agreements so far and would need to agree to resign by Thursday evening before they could see the actual terms of their separations.
 
BOSTON —
A federal judge in Boston is scheduled to hear a lawsuit filed by federal employee unions on Thursday afternoon. They are asking the court to stop President Donald Trump's deferred resignation program because it wasn't authorized by Congress.

Thursday's hearing about the legal challenge is expected to be held at 1 p.m., just hours before the midnight deadline by which more than 2 million federal employees need to decide if they'll take the administration's offer.
Do we know which side appointed the judge?
No info on the judge

 
Yep. There has been virtually zero guidance and the answers seem to change with each iteration. And you were given 1.5 week to decide.....

They want to do it cool. Have an actual congressional approval, signed HR letter etc

HR still doesn't know what to do
This is very similar to the covid vaccine mandate. I had 3 dates that were all going to be the last day of my employment. I had to sign MFRs and everything. Every time a date came, there was a new reason to push it back a month. They made me jump through hoops, get doctors notes, write justifications and exemption requests that went in a drawer were never processed. HR never had answers and there was literally no process in place to do anything. Eventually they just gave up and it all faded away.
 
NBC

But three Education Department officials told NBC News that Rachel Oglesby, the department’s new chief of staff, and Jacqueline Clay, its chief human capital officer, described significant caveats to the so-called Fork in the Road offer in an all-staff meeting held over Zoom on Wednesday. The officials did not want to be named for fear of retaliation.

The education secretary would be allowed to rescind the agreement, or the government could stop paying, and employees who took the deferred resignation package would waive all legal claims, the three officials said they were told in the meeting. The three employees say they have seen only sample resignation agreements so far and would need to agree to resign by Thursday evening before they could see the actual terms of their separations.
No way that is the case else this whole agreement in unenforceable, can't agree to something if you don't know what the something is offering.
 
BOSTON —
A federal judge in Boston is scheduled to hear a lawsuit filed by federal employee unions on Thursday afternoon. They are asking the court to stop President Donald Trump's deferred resignation program because it wasn't authorized by Congress.

Thursday's hearing about the legal challenge is expected to be held at 1 p.m., just hours before the midnight deadline by which more than 2 million federal employees need to decide if they'll take the administration's offer.
Is the concern that the government isn't going honor the agreement? If people think the options are take the deferred resignation or get fired, why fight to take that option off the table?
Imo, they are asking for the gun to be taken away from their head. This offer came out of nowhere and it came with unusually harsh language declaring government employees somewhat worthless which can be a gut punch I suppose. I personally do not trust the people behind this offer to be fair and so do not trust this offer at all. Add to that the lack of reliable guidance as spoken to in this thread, and by you, and you can see how government employees might want to slow this offer down a bit.
The idea that there is a gun to their head is silly to me. Just don't take the deferred option and continue on. If they are more concerned with their agency being cut, this seems like a better option.

I'm a govt employee with limited faith in the government. I've seen the truly ugly side of it before. I don't see this as some evil plot. It's an option to get people out who were on the fence about continuing their employment with the government.
The problem is that there are legitimate risks on both sides of the deal. If someone takes the deal and the gov't reneges, the recipient has little/no recourse. The TRO being requested by the union would afford more time to sort those out and resolve the uncertainties and legalities so people can make more informed decisions.
Thats's a good way to frame it, but there is still the lingering fear that someone's org gets shut down tomorrow. Then what happens to them?
 
BOSTON —
A federal judge in Boston is scheduled to hear a lawsuit filed by federal employee unions on Thursday afternoon. They are asking the court to stop President Donald Trump's deferred resignation program because it wasn't authorized by Congress.

Thursday's hearing about the legal challenge is expected to be held at 1 p.m., just hours before the midnight deadline by which more than 2 million federal employees need to decide if they'll take the administration's offer.
Do we know which side appointed the judge?
No info on the judge

Judge George O'Toole was appointed by Clinton. And he's temporarily blocked the offer from ending until Monday when he'll have another hearing.
 
BOSTON —
A federal judge in Boston is scheduled to hear a lawsuit filed by federal employee unions on Thursday afternoon. They are asking the court to stop President Donald Trump's deferred resignation program because it wasn't authorized by Congress.

Thursday's hearing about the legal challenge is expected to be held at 1 p.m., just hours before the midnight deadline by which more than 2 million federal employees need to decide if they'll take the administration's offer.
Is the concern that the government isn't going honor the agreement? If people think the options are take the deferred resignation or get fired, why fight to take that option off the table?
Imo, they are asking for the gun to be taken away from their head. This offer came out of nowhere and it came with unusually harsh language declaring government employees somewhat worthless which can be a gut punch I suppose. I personally do not trust the people behind this offer to be fair and so do not trust this offer at all. Add to that the lack of reliable guidance as spoken to in this thread, and by you, and you can see how government employees might want to slow this offer down a bit.
The idea that there is a gun to their head is silly to me. Just don't take the deferred option and continue on. If they are more concerned with their agency being cut, this seems like a better option.

I'm a govt employee with limited faith in the government. I've seen the truly ugly side of it before. I don't see this as some evil plot. It's an option to get people out who were on the fence about continuing their employment with the government.
The problem is that there are legitimate risks on both sides of the deal. If someone takes the deal and the gov't reneges, the recipient has little/no recourse. The TRO being requested by the union would afford more time to sort those out and resolve the uncertainties and legalities so people can make more informed decisions.
Thats's a good way to frame it, but there is still the lingering fear that someone's org gets shut down tomorrow. Then what happens to them?
They have to go through proper RIF procedures. I believe those require 60 days notice and there are efforts to place those employees in comparable vacant positions in other agencies.
 
BOSTON —
A federal judge in Boston is scheduled to hear a lawsuit filed by federal employee unions on Thursday afternoon. They are asking the court to stop President Donald Trump's deferred resignation program because it wasn't authorized by Congress.

Thursday's hearing about the legal challenge is expected to be held at 1 p.m., just hours before the midnight deadline by which more than 2 million federal employees need to decide if they'll take the administration's offer.
Is the concern that the government isn't going honor the agreement? If people think the options are take the deferred resignation or get fired, why fight to take that option off the table?
Imo, they are asking for the gun to be taken away from their head. This offer came out of nowhere and it came with unusually harsh language declaring government employees somewhat worthless which can be a gut punch I suppose. I personally do not trust the people behind this offer to be fair and so do not trust this offer at all. Add to that the lack of reliable guidance as spoken to in this thread, and by you, and you can see how government employees might want to slow this offer down a bit.
The idea that there is a gun to their head is silly to me. Just don't take the deferred option and continue on. If they are more concerned with their agency being cut, this seems like a better option.

I'm a govt employee with limited faith in the government. I've seen the truly ugly side of it before. I don't see this as some evil plot. It's an option to get people out who were on the fence about continuing their employment with the government.
The problem is that there are legitimate risks on both sides of the deal. If someone takes the deal and the gov't reneges, the recipient has little/no recourse. The TRO being requested by the union would afford more time to sort those out and resolve the uncertainties and legalities so people can make more informed decisions.
Thats's a good way to frame it, but there is still the lingering fear that someone's org gets shut down tomorrow. Then what happens to them?
That's what we're gonna find out. We live in interesting times.
 
The education secretary would be allowed to rescind the agreement, or the government could stop paying, and employees who took the deferred resignation package would waive all legal claims, the
This Is Wild. The idea that one party, the one with more power, could pull a contract / agreement, yet enforce the other party’s commitment…. We’re living in strange times indeed.
 
The idea that there is a gun to their head is silly to me.
You think the idea of “you can take this offer quickly or risk being laid off by edict” as being “a gun to our head” as silly?
Yes, because I don't think there is a large-scale risk of being laid off by edict. It might be a reality to some, but like DGreen said there is a process in place for federal workers to be moved to vacant positions in need.
 
The idea that there is a gun to their head is silly to me.
You think the idea of “you can take this offer quickly or risk being laid off by edict” as being “a gun to our head” as silly?
Yes, because I don't think there is a large-scale risk of being laid off by edict. It might be a reality to some, but like DGreen said there is a process in place for federal workers to be moved to vacant positions in need.
We’ll see how that plays out. I’m just not going to call people’s concerns on this, during these times, the way the last couple weeks have gone, “silly”
 
The idea that there is a gun to their head is silly to me.
You think the idea of “you can take this offer quickly or risk being laid off by edict” as being “a gun to our head” as silly?
Yes, because I don't think there is a large-scale risk of being laid off by edict. It might be a reality to some, but like DGreen said there is a process in place for federal workers to be moved to vacant positions in need.
We’ll see how that plays out. I’m just not going to call people’s concerns on this, during these times, the way the last couple weeks have gone, “silly”
I get the uncertainty is worrisome and its human nature to sometimes assume the worst, but it feels like a lot of people are getting way ahead of the situation.
 
The idea that there is a gun to their head is silly to me.
You think the idea of “you can take this offer quickly or risk being laid off by edict” as being “a gun to our head” as silly?
Yes, because I don't think there is a large-scale risk of being laid off by edict. It might be a reality to some, but like DGreen said there is a process in place for federal workers to be moved to vacant positions in need.
We’ll see how that plays out. I’m just not going to call people’s concerns on this, during these times, the way the last couple weeks have gone, “silly”
I get the uncertainty is worrisome and its human nature to sometimes assume the worst, but it feels like a lot of people are getting way ahead of the situation.
Maybe the gun being held to our heads goes through safety checks to make sure it's not loaded (like on a movie set). But, the one holding the gun is saying it is loaded, and a lot of people don't know that the gun goes through safety checks to make sure it's not loaded so they assume it is loaded. And, of course, it is possible that the safety checks were disregarded and the gun is, in fact, loaded.
 
The idea that there is a gun to their head is silly to me.
You think the idea of “you can take this offer quickly or risk being laid off by edict” as being “a gun to our head” as silly?
Yes, because I don't think there is a large-scale risk of being laid off by edict. It might be a reality to some, but like DGreen said there is a process in place for federal workers to be moved to vacant positions in need.
We’ll see how that plays out. I’m just not going to call people’s concerns on this, during these times, the way the last couple weeks have gone, “silly”
I get the uncertainty is worrisome and its human nature to sometimes assume the worst, but it feels like a lot of people are getting way ahead of the situation.
Perhaps. But you’ve seen how fast things are moving now.
 
Is the concern that the government isn't going honor the agreement? If people think the options are take the deferred resignation or get fired, why fight to take that option off the table?
Yes? lol

If you get fired you are getting a severance which may/probably equals this fork offer. Also you keep your right to sue and get 18 months of health insurance. Unless you are probationary or ready to retire shortly you’d be nuts to take this.

Also, they simply cannot fire many feds.
 
Is the concern that the government isn't going honor the agreement? If people think the options are take the deferred resignation or get fired, why fight to take that option off the table?
Yes? lol

If you get fired you are getting a severance which may/probably equals this fork offer. Also you keep your right to sue and get 18 months of health insurance. Unless you are probationary or ready to retire shortly you’d be nuts to take this.

Also, they simply cannot fire many feds.
It's going to be highly, highly ironic when we look back and realize they could have been much more effective and efficient if they had simply followed the collectively bargained rules and gotten proper buy-in throughout DC instead of trying to torch everything like a private company. Not that I really expect Musk to realize that.
 
The idea that there is a gun to their head is silly to me.
You think the idea of “you can take this offer quickly or risk being laid off by edict” as being “a gun to our head” as silly?
Yes, because I don't think there is a large-scale risk of being laid off by edict. It might be a reality to some, but like DGreen said there is a process in place for federal workers to be moved to vacant positions in need.
We’ll see how that plays out. I’m just not going to call people’s concerns on this, during these times, the way the last couple weeks have gone, “silly”
I get the uncertainty is worrisome and its human nature to sometimes assume the worst, but it feels like a lot of people are getting way ahead of the situation.
those people getting way ahead of the situation are the administration/doge and not the workforce, buddy.
 
The idea that there is a gun to their head is silly to me.
You think the idea of “you can take this offer quickly or risk being laid off by edict” as being “a gun to our head” as silly?
Yes, because I don't think there is a large-scale risk of being laid off by edict. It might be a reality to some, but like DGreen said there is a process in place for federal workers to be moved to vacant positions in need.
We’ll see how that plays out. I’m just not going to call people’s concerns on this, during these times, the way the last couple weeks have gone, “silly”
I get the uncertainty is worrisome and its human nature to sometimes assume the worst, but it feels like a lot of people are getting way ahead of the situation.
those people getting way ahead of the situation are the administration/doge and not the workforce, buddy.
Thier goal is to eliminate government bloat and reduce budget which are both needed.

They haven't fired any workers and a buyout is common in this type of situation. This is just new for government workers.

I think if workers are really worried about thier position being shut off, it probably means they are acknowledging their organizational bloat.
 
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