Do masks in school really make a difference when half the kids don't wear one properly, they take them off for lunch, they likely wear cheap cloth masks, and they sit in the same classroom all day?Nyc masks - Florida no masks
Do masks in school really make a difference when half the kids don't wear one properly, they take them off for lunch, they likely wear cheap cloth masks, and they sit in the same classroom all day?Nyc masks - Florida no masks
No. But people FEEL better. And thats all that matters in this case.Do masks in school really make a difference when half the kids don't wear one properly, they take them off for lunch, they likely wear cheap cloth masks, and they sit in the same classroom all day?
Don't have an account with NYT. Don't know what it says. But at the same time I'm not sure I could care less what the NYT says. I am just telling you what actually happened here in Florida GB. And there is no question that COVID has free reign here in the state. Fortunately, they've tried to provide access to reactive treatments and deaths have been less of a problem with this wave.The Commish said:Florida started it's plateau (or signs of it) in late July, early August.
IvanKaramazov said:But if you instead look at the New York Time's covid-19 dashboard,
Okay. Let's say for the sake of argument that Florida's surge started tapering off in late July or early August. Reopening schools without masks did not change that trajectory. Cases have continued to fall rapidly since school started. I don't recall very many people predicting that that would happen, but I do remember a lot of people predicting the opposite.Don't have an account with NYT. Don't know what it says. But at the same time I'm not sure I could care less what the NYT says. I am just telling you what actually happened here in Florida GB.
With delta, hasn't the MO been from the beginning that it comes in blazing hot then once the plateau hits, it drops rapidly? That's exactly what I'd expect here in Florida given our approach of basically letting it blaze through the state. With delta we were WELL above any of our "highs" in the first waves. It did it's thing here for sure.Okay. Let's say for the sake of argument that Florida's surge started tapering off in late July or early August. Reopening schools without masks did not change that trajectory. Cases have continued to fall rapidly since school started. I don't recall very many people predicting that that would happen, but I do remember a lot of people predicting the opposite.
Basically, yeah. Florida has done quite a bit wrong during the pandemic, and definitely it would have been better to have more people vaccinated. I'm just pointing out that reopening schools ended up being fine.With delta, hasn't the MO been from the beginning that it comes in blazing hot then once the plateau hits, it drops rapidly? That's exactly what I'd expect here in Florida given our approach of basically letting it blaze through the state. With delta we were WELL above any of our "highs" in the first waves. It did it's thing here for sure.
It obviously does not make a difference.Do masks in school really make a difference when half the kids don't wear one properly, they take them off for lunch, they likely wear cheap cloth masks, and they sit in the same classroom all day?Nyc masks - Florida no masks
I have a TON of issues with some decisions my state has made but the quarantine rules that just came out aren't part of that. I don't have a particular problem with them as they are written at the moment.Basically, yeah. Florida has done quite a bit wrong during the pandemic, and definitely it would have been better to have more people vaccinated. I'm just pointing out that reopening schools ended up being fine.
Florida definitely has a "##### eating crackers" thing going on right now. Some of that is earned, but it leads to people saying things like "I can't believing Florida is relaxing its quarantine rules in schools" when lots of other jurisdictions are doing the same thing. It takes some effort to break out of that mind-set, and looking at data helps a lot.
Are you real with this? I can't tell serious from satire anymore.I wonder if an “unvaccinated firing lottery” would be more effective public policy than terminating all unvaccinated employees at once. I have concerns about the ability of already-understaffed hospitals, nursing homes and schools to function if they fire 10% of their enployees at once. Maybe it should be like “all unvaccinated employees are put into a pool and 5% of them will be fired each week until they’re all gone.”
It's almost like a policy based on fear mongering can not only be dumb, it's actually counter productive. Lose-Lose!I have concerns about the ability of already-understaffed hospitals, nursing homes and schools to function if they fire 10% of their enployees at once.
I think the DoD chain of command is coming around on how dumb our covid safety policies are.It's almost like a policy based on fear mongering can not only be dumb, it's actually counter productive. Lose-Lose!
Science!
There are going to be huge protests Monday due to the vaccine mandate for NYC teachers. They have to have at least one shot by Monday or they are fired (I believe a judge stayed the decision to hear the case until Wed. Only 87% of NYC DOE staff is vaxxed.Large protest against the mandatory vaccine and vaccine pass in New York City takes over Times Square. LINK
Love to see it.
Earlier that day, the school district administrator had notified parents there was "no truth" to rumors a student had contracted COVID-19 during the band trip. He called Cohoon's posts, "a foolish means to get attention and the source of the rumor has been addressed.”
On March 27, Marquette County Sheriff's Sgt. Cameron Klump came to the Cohoon home and said Sheriff Joseph Konrath had ordered the posts be taken down, as he didn't believe there were any confirmed cases of COVID in the county.
Sadly Mike Tagliere died from covid. Fully vaxxed. Here we have a 39 year old who trusted the vax was gonna protect him. It did not because it doesn't work. You think it does but it wears off and you are just like those of us who didn't get the shot (its not a vaccine) its a treatment and the treatment wears off faster than you think. its now estimated to be between 4-6 months. What a massive failure. So if you want this to work, you need a booster every 4 months to be sure. Figure it out yet?Happens so often we shouldn't really call them "breakthrough" anymore.
How do you explain the fact that vaccinated people die from covid-19 at a far, far lower rate than unvaccinated people, if the vaccines don't work? There's a massive amount of evidence sitting right there in front of you that decisively refutes that statement.Sadly Mike Tagliere died from covid. Fully vaxxed. Here we have a 39 year old who trusted the vax was gonna protect him. It did not because it doesn't work. You think it does but it wears off and you are just like those of us who didn't get the shot (its not a vaccine) its a treatment and the treatment wears off faster than you think. its now estimated to be between 4-6 months. What a massive failure. So if you want this to work, you need a booster every 4 months to be sure. Figure it out yet?
The solution, as all the best doctors on the planet say is, 'get early treatment'.
Your definition of "work" (and the definition shared by a majority of people) is significantly different than the definition he's using created by God knows who.How do you explain the fact that vaccinated people die from covid-19 at a far, far lower rate than unvaccinated people, if the vaccines don't work? There's a massive amount of evidence sitting right there in front of you that decisively refutes that statement.
There is a theory floating around that the vaccine might help people not develop "serious" cases. But once a person is hospitalized because of Covid, the mortality rate is the same between vax'd and unvaxed.How do you explain the fact that vaccinated people die from covid-19 at a far, far lower rate than unvaccinated people, if the vaccines don't work? There's a massive amount of evidence sitting right there in front of you that decisively refutes that statement.
Sadly Mike Tagliere died from covid. Fully vaxxed. Here we have a 39 year old who trusted the vax was gonna protect him. It did not because it doesn't work. You think it does but it wears off and you are just like those of us who didn't get the shot (its not a vaccine) its a treatment and the treatment wears off faster than you think. its now estimated to be between 4-6 months. What a massive failure. So if you want this to work, you need a booster every 4 months to be sure. Figure it out yet?
The solution, as all the best doctors on the planet say is, 'get early treatment'.
And what is the rate of hospitilization for vaxed vs unvaxed?There is a theory floating around that the vaccine might help people not develop "serious" cases. But once a person is hospitalized because of Covid, the mortality rate is the same between vax'd and unvaxed.
I mean people still die in car accidents, ergo, seatbelts are useless.Folks misunderstand statistics. There is nothing that is foolproof, nothing that is 100%. The answer is to reduce risk as much as possible and that includes vaccines, early treatment, testing if necessary, etc. Sadly Mr. Tagliere was one of the few for whom the vax didn't prevent his death. That's going to happen, but at a much, much lower rate than those who haven't been vaccinated.
And, as far as boosters, we got a vaccine in under a year. Even if it does just buy an immune response every 6 months, that's still an insane achievement. Vaccines usually take a decade or more. There will be improvements to vaccines (maybe the new DNA vaccine mixed in to help?), improvements to treatments, etc. This will eventually wash it's way through the world's population and become a background hum.
Though, we should definitely thank the Chinese government for all this joy in getting there. I, for one, will never forget they are responsible for this incredible mess.
Any links? Or all theory. Bear in mind more of the vaxxed in hospitals are significantly older than the unvaxxed. Just another variable. I have 3 nurses living within 5 houses of us who pass along what they see in the local Wake-Med hospitals (near Raleigh, NC).There is a theory floating around that the vaccine might help people not develop "serious" cases. But once a person is hospitalized because of Covid, the mortality rate is the same between vax'd and unvaxed.
I've typically seen the ballpark of 90% unvax'd to 10% vax'd.And what is the rate of hospitilization for vaxed vs unvaxed?
I'll do some more digging when I have a minute. It's a theory based on a set of stats that I came across several days ago. I'll post when I find it.Any links? Or all theory. Bear in mind more of the vaxxed in hospitals are significantly older than the unvaxxed. Just another variable. I have 3 nurses living within 5 houses of us who pass along what they see in the local Wake-Med hospitals (near Raleigh, NC).
Good to agree with you. Thanks.I'll do some more digging when I have a minute. It's a theory based on a set of stats that I came across several days ago. I'll post when I find it.
Totally agree that the vax'd community is more at risk to start with, so yes there are variables involved. They tend to be older and unhealthier to start with.
People weren’t told the seatbelt would stop car accidents. As far as the vaccine stopping you from contracting the virus, it does appear to be quite useless.I mean people still die in car accidents, ergo, seatbelts are useless.
I think it's 92 and 8 but that's just a population proportion. If you take the vaxxed population to be roughly 64%, then m back of the napkin math tells me that non-vaxed are ~41x more likely to end up in the hospital. It's early though so I could be off by a little. Or not even closeI've typically seen the ballpark of 90% unvax'd to 10% vax'd.
Of course no one said this…Who told any of us the vaccines would stop the virus 100%?
Didn't think so...weird narrative. We knew at the very beginning if the entire world got vaccinated at the same time, well over 800M people would STILL get the virus. This narrative of "they lied to us, people still get the virus after getting vaccinated" is just dumb, although predictable.Of course no one said this…Who told any of us the vaccines would stop the virus 100%?
It's almost as if these folks are just seizing on any argument they can find to advance a pre-determined agenda.Didn't think so...weird narrative. We knew at the very beginning if the entire world got vaccinated at the same time, well over 800M people would STILL get the virus. This narrative of "they lied to us, people still get the virus after getting vaccinated" is just dumb, although predictable.
The CDC says yes, they conducted a study. Feel free to use your Google machine.Do masks in school really make a difference when half the kids don't wear one properly, they take them off for lunch, they likely wear cheap cloth masks, and they sit in the same classroom all day?
I have the vaccine, and haven't contracted the virus.People weren’t told the seatbelt would stop car accidents. As far as the vaccine stopping you from contracting the virus, it does appear to be quite useless.
I'll agree being vaccinated reduces your risk of a trip to the hospital due to covid alone. The vaccinated population does tend to be older and have more health problems, so they utilize the hospitals just as much if not more.I think it's 92 and 8 but that's just a population proportion. If you take the vaxxed population to be roughly 64%, then m back of the napkin math tells me that non-vaxed are ~41x more likely to end up in the hospital. It's early though so I could be off by a little. Or not even close
MisinformationPeople weren’t told the seatbelt would stop car accidents. As far as the vaccine stopping you from contracting the virus, it does appear to be quite useless.
Trying to follow your example GB and stay above it, but I don't know how you do it so consistently. I feel like Austin Powers and the MOLE with some of these comments.It's almost as if these folks are just seizing on any argument they can find to advance a pre-determined agenda.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/investigation-of-novel-sars-cov-2-variant-variant-of-concern-20201201 Technical Brief 23 - Table 5Good to agree with you. Thanks.
You mean Jen Psaki, right?It's almost as if these folks are just seizing on any argument they can find to advance a pre-determined agenda.
What's the reason for vaccinated people having to wear masks if it's not that vaccinated people still carry the virus? At a much more significant rate than first thought. You know when they were telling everyone - get the shot, ditch the mask. TIAIt's almost as if these folks are just seizing on any argument they can find to advance a pre-determined agenda.
I think it's asinine that anybody expects vaccinated people to wear masks, and I've argued as much since May or so.What's the reason for vaccinated people having to wear masks if it's not that vaccinated people still carry the virus? At a much more significant rate than first thought. You know when they were telling everyone - get the shot, ditch the mask. TIA
I would assume the goal is to replace the unvaxxed workers who shouldn't be working in close proximity to patients. Good for her.Replacing short staffed healthcare workers with other short staffed healthcare workers solves which problem?
The point is they are pulling out of state healthcare workers from locations that are also understaffed. This isn't problem solving.I would assume the goal is to replace the unvaxxed workers who shouldn't be working in close proximity to patients. Good for her.
Political expediency?Replacing short staffed healthcare workers with other short staffed healthcare workers solves which problem?
Thanks man.https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/investigation-of-novel-sars-cov-2-variant-variant-of-concern-20201201 Technical Brief 23 - Table 5
The reporting cautions against using the raw numbers to make definitive conclusions as there are many additional variables, but it's an interesting data set.
I certainly have never expressed the thought that vaccines are 100%. They're not, but we have a journalist class that were largely liberal arts majors who like to posit very simple conclusions in the press. That's largely where that thought came from.People running around saying "no one said 100%" are being disingenuous or just ignorant. We know breakout cases aren't exactly rare as their name hints.
OK, so what's your suggestion? If the workers refuse to get vaxxed, how else do you want them replaced?The point is they are pulling out of state healthcare workers from locations that are also understaffed. This isn't problem solving.