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Grading 15 rookie keepers (1 Viewer)

JohnnyU

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http://www.rotoworld.com/content/features/...articleid=37108

You don't need Rotoworld to tell you that Sam Bradford has a bright future as a fantasy quarterback.

Ditto Mike Williams and LaGarrette Blount: for the two rookie stars of the Buccaneers offense, the future is now. Heck, forget about next year: Bradford, Blount and Williams make great starters if your league extends into Week 17!

Your fantasy season is probably over, and postseason fantasy leagues are still a week away, so it's time to talk about rookie keepers. Some of this year's rookies are worth stashing away for 2011. Some should just be tossed back in the draft pool. If your league only allows one or two keepers, you cannot afford to keep the wrong guy. The following list grades the 2011 potential for 15 rookies, with a deeper look at why some should be nurtured while others should be abandoned.

Arrelious Benn, C-minus

If you drafted the wrong Buccaneers rookie receiver, take heart. Benn has just eight catches in the last three games, but seven of them netted first downs, including 64 and 43 yarders. With his size, he could still emerge as Josh Freeman's favorite red zone weapon, or as a 60-catch possession complement to Williams.

Jahvid Best: B-minus

Best's future may be as a complementary back and receiver out of the backfield. Best gained two yards or less on 99 of his 161 carries, resulting in a lot of 17-35-0 stat lines. His big play potential is undeniable, and he is worth more in PPR leagues, but the Lions haven't produced a fantasy workhouse back in years, and Best has "committee" written all over him. Still, it's better to keep a potential RB3 than a TE1.

Dez Bryant: A-minus

Before getting hurt, Bryant displayed dazzling big-play ability, had a well-defined role in the Cowboys offense, and most importantly, was a personal favorite of Jerry Jones. The Cowboys loved to use Bryant on receiver screens and other super-short passes, throwing 29 passes to him that traveled less than five yards in the air. Three screens per game can do wonders for a receiver's fantasy potential, and Bryant scored four touchdowns and had a 46-yard run on these short passes. Will the next coach be as enamored of Bryant as Jason Garrett was? As long as Emperor Jones makes the final decisions, it doesn't matter. The only person keeping Bryant from earning a solid A rating is Miles Austin.

Jimmy Clausen: D

The Panthers may want to wait on Clausen, but that doesn't mean you should. The Panthers let Clausen throw tons of short passes to get comfortable in the offense: on passes that traveled five yards or less in the air, he was 74-of-125 for 505 yards. Take those micro-passes out of his statistics, and Clausen completed only 45.3 percent of his throws downfield. Don't blame the offense: Steve Smith only missed one game, David Gettis and Brandon LaFell are solid "C" prospects, and the offensive line was pretty good. The upside for Clausen next year is one of those 2500-yard, 12-touchdown seasons developing quarterbacks often have for rebuilding teams. You don't need that.

Jacoby Ford: D

Ford is fun to watch, and he is worth more in a league with big bonuses for long touchdowns. But he has only been targeted 17 times in the last four games, and waiting around for rushing touchdowns by a receiver will kill you.

Toby Gerhart: C-plus

If you drafted Gerhart as either an Adrian Peterson handcuff or an insurance policy, you have to be happy with the results: he was productive when called upon last week, and he filled his niche as Peterson's change-up back fairly well. Gerhart should fill the same role for next season; keep him, and the guy who drafts Peterson will want to talk trade with you right after next year's draft.

Jermaine Gresham: B-minus

Gresham caught an amazing number of unproductive passes early in the season: he had 33 catches of eight yards or less, only eight of which netted a first down or touchdown. In recent weeks, he has cut loose, with four catches of 20 or more yards in the last three games. It's almost as if Gresham needed two loudmouth nitwits to disappear before he could assume a sensible role in the offense.

Rob Gronkowski and Aaron Hernandez: B

The problem with these guys is that there are two of them: eventually, one is going to leech catches and red zone opportunities away from the other. Right now, Gronkowski appears to have the edge, but it is nothing worth betting your season on. If you are only allowed to keep one player, think twice before keeping a tight end: remember how replaceable they are. Gresham could easily out-produce both Patriots next year, just because he won't have to split his opportunities.

Chris Ivory: A-minus

According to Football Outsiders, Ivory led the NFL in Success Rate, which is like a batting average for running backs: he had the league's best percentage of move-the-chains type runs. As a power back in an offense that will be great again next year, Ivory will get a lot of red zone opportunities. The Saints will still throw 400 passes per game and use fifty different personnel packages, so be ready for a lot of 12-50-1 stat lines if you keep Ivory.

Ryan Mathews: C

Here's a stat that will strike fear into any fantasy owner: seven red zone carries, zero touchdowns. Mathews looks good on the game tape and is more versatile than the other Chargers running backs, but he is the kind of runner whose touches get whittled away from all sides: Darren Sproles gets the catches, Mike Tolbert gets the goal line carries, and Mathews gets stuck in 15-60-0 purgatory.

Colt McCoy: C-minus

McCoy should develop into a fine NFL quarterback, and his running ability adds some fantasy value, but it's a stretch to project him as anything but a QB3 for 2011. His receiving corps is weak, and once the "plucky underdog" charm wore off, we saw that he was just another rookie with a lot to learn.

C.J. Spiller: D

Spiller hasn't had more than nine carries in a game, and he hasn't distinguished himself as a receiver (30 targets). Fred Jackson is a better all-around back, so Spiller appears stuck in a role as a complementary back and return man for the foreseeable future.

Tim Tebow: A-plus

To be clear, we are talking about fantasy football here. As an NFL starter, Tebow still needs a lot of refinement. As a fantasy prospect, he is all you could ask for. With 18 carries and two touchdowns in his two starts, he's a lock to rack up rushing yards. With Brandon Lloyd leading a receiving corps full of young talent, he has great weapons. And with incredible fan support and a new coach coming to town, he has enviable job security for a young quarterback. Tebow could go 6-10 as a starter next year, but if he's throwing for 200 yards and a touchdown while running for 50 yards and a touchdown every week, you won't care.

Demaryius Thomas: D

Thomas suffered multiple injuries and got lost in the shuffle as Brandon Lloyd emerged as a go-to receiver. Thomas is not a lost cause, and his blocking makes him a great fit in a running-and-Tebow based offense, but that won't help your fantasy team.
 
I wanted to comment a little about Tebow. I have him on one dynasty team so I like to see the A+ grade but it seems like a pretty high grade for a guy with 2 starts. I also chuckled a bit when he called the receiving corps full of young talent. I don't consider LLoyd and Gaffney young as they are really more journeymen receivers. I'm not knocking LLoyd for his great year, just the tag of young.

 
Ryan Mathews: CHere's a stat that will strike fear into any fantasy owner: seven red zone carries, zero touchdowns. Mathews looks good on the game tape and is more versatile than the other Chargers running backs, but he is the kind of runner whose touches get whittled away from all sides: Darren Sproles gets the catches, Mike Tolbert gets the goal line carries, and Mathews gets stuck in 15-60-0 purgatory.
:goodposting: Love the negative hype he's getting. I remember Lesean McCoy getting similar negative hype last year.I'm keeping this guy and feeling good about it. He's got post hype stud written all over him imo.
 
I guess this all depends upon how "keeper" is being defined. If it's a league that keeps 1-2 players, many of these rookies have limited keeper value... if it's a keep 5+ league, they obviously have more value.

Giving a D to Jacoby Ford and a C to Ryan Matthews jumps out as harsh to me (when compared to the scores of the other rookies listed).

 
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Ryan Mathews: CHere's a stat that will strike fear into any fantasy owner: seven red zone carries, zero touchdowns. Mathews looks good on the game tape and is more versatile than the other Chargers running backs, but he is the kind of runner whose touches get whittled away from all sides: Darren Sproles gets the catches, Mike Tolbert gets the goal line carries, and Mathews gets stuck in 15-60-0 purgatory.
:shrug: Love the negative hype he's getting. I remember Lesean McCoy getting similar negative hype last year.I'm keeping this guy and feeling good about it. He's got post hype stud written all over him imo.
Yeah, if we are looking forward, it seems foolish to keep the "A" graded Ivory over Mathews.
 
I personally have to make a decision between Best and blount. I thought it was a 100% that i keep Best, but is this guy really telling me that i should keep Blount? And who here agrees?

I would still rate Best higher than Blount, especially in a PPR league. Both of them are in a similar area though, along with Forte, another one of my potential keepers, and so i have some issues. It's much easier when your keepers are easily defined.

 
Underrated

Best

Matthews

Comment: I love how people give up on rookie RBs after one year...please. Both of these guys are in great situations and have first round talent. Both are great buy low candidates and I suspect if articles like this keep popping up I'll be drafting both of these players in the middle rounds next year...perfect.

Overrated

Ivory

Tim Tebow

Comments: I was a Tebow doubter, but the kid can obviously play...that being said he is not an A plus, we don't even know who the coach is going to be next year. I would probably give Tebow a B.

Ivory will be in a crowded backfield for the forseeable future and RBs have short life spans...are you really giving Ivory a higher grade than Best and Matthews....wow.

How do these writers get these jobs, Jesus.

 
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err, he's Mike Tanier of Football Outsiders. If you like stat driven analysis that's one of the best places to go. Obviously Best and Mathews have the benefit of 1st round pedigrees, but Ivory and Blount clearly outplayed them.

 
Obviously Best and Mathews have the benefit of 1st round pedigrees, but Ivory and Blount clearly outplayed them.
Best and Matthews not only have more talent than Ivory they also have a better situation. I have been pimping Blount after watching him most of his college career, but he lacks some upside.
 
Obviously Best and Mathews have the benefit of 1st round pedigrees, but Ivory and Blount clearly outplayed them.
Best and Matthews not only have more talent than Ivory they also have a better situation. I have been pimping Blount after watching him most of his college career, but he lacks some upside.
I appreciate your analysis on Best specifically and I agree with you, but I must ask you a question. Do you ever post a negative analysis of a Pac 10 player? If so, can you give examples and a link?
 
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err, he's Mike Tanier of Football Outsiders. If you like stat driven analysis that's one of the best places to go. Obviously Best and Mathews have the benefit of 1st round pedigrees, but Ivory and Blount clearly outplayed them.
The Tim Tebow A+ is enough to discredit him. Just because FO is good at stat driven analysis doesn't mean everyone on their staff knows what they are talking about..
He was specific about Tebow from a fantasy perspective, not an NFL one. He may not be that far off base regarding his fantasy value.
 
Obviously Best and Mathews have the benefit of 1st round pedigrees, but Ivory and Blount clearly outplayed them.
Best and Matthews not only have more talent than Ivory they also have a better situation. I have been pimping Blount after watching him most of his college career, but he lacks some upside.
I appreciate your analysis on Best specifically and I agree with you, but I must ask you a question. Do you ever post a negative analysis of a Pac 10 player? If so, can you give examples and a link?
Off the top of my head I didn't like McCoy or Sanchez for where they were drafted. Just do a search on my posts around draft time for evidence.
 
Obviously Best and Mathews have the benefit of 1st round pedigrees, but Ivory and Blount clearly outplayed them.
Best and Matthews not only have more talent than Ivory they also have a better situation. I have been pimping Blount after watching him most of his college career, but he lacks some upside.
I appreciate your analysis on Best specifically and I agree with you, but I must ask you a question. Do you ever post a negative analysis of a Pac 10 player? If so, can you give examples and a link?
Off the top of my head I didn't like McCoy or Sanchez for where they were drafted. Just do a search on my posts around draft time for evidence.
Do you like Tebow from a fantasy perspective?
 
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Obviously Best and Mathews have the benefit of 1st round pedigrees, but Ivory and Blount clearly outplayed them.
Best and Matthews not only have more talent than Ivory they also have a better situation. I have been pimping Blount after watching him most of his college career, but he lacks some upside.
I appreciate your analysis on Best specifically and I agree with you, but I must ask you a question. Do you ever post a negative analysis of a Pac 10 player? If so, can you give examples and a link?
Off the top of my head I didn't like McCoy or Sanchez for where they were drafted. Just do a search on my posts around draft time for evidence.
LeSean McCoy isn't a Pac 10 player, but I get your drift about Sanchez. Or are you talking about Anthony McCoy :thumbup: who wasn't hard to dislike (I wasn't one of them).
 
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Do you like Tebow from a fantasy perspective?
mildly, but he's not an A plus. I would much rather have Matthews on my keeper roster than Tebow(as an example) and this writer has them graded out in the opposite direction.Like I said before, without knowing the coach or system he'll be playing in I'd probably give him a B grade.
 
Obviously Best and Mathews have the benefit of 1st round pedigrees, but Ivory and Blount clearly outplayed them.
Best and Matthews not only have more talent than Ivory they also have a better situation. I have been pimping Blount after watching him most of his college career, but he lacks some upside.
I appreciate your analysis on Best specifically and I agree with you, but I must ask you a question. Do you ever post a negative analysis of a Pac 10 player? If so, can you give examples and a link?
Off the top of my head I didn't like McCoy or Sanchez for where they were drafted. Just do a search on my posts around draft time for evidence.
LeSean McCoy isn't a Pac 10 player, but I get your drift about Sanchez. Or are you talking about Anthony McCoy :thumbdown: who wasn't hard to dislike.
Oops, was thinking of McKnight.
 
Do you like Tebow from a fantasy perspective?
mildly, but he's not an A plus. I would much rather have Matthews on my keeper roster than Tebow(as an example) and this writer has them graded out in the opposite direction.Like I said before, without knowing the coach or system he'll be playing in I'd probably give him a B grade.
I woudn't give him an A+ either just for the record. However, his fantasy potential is pretty decent if he doesn't get benched down the line. Of course that's obvious with anyone, it's just that Tebow's stake on the position is tenuous.
 
Id buy Mathews in a hearbeat if other owners feel like he is C.

Sproles is a UFA and I doubt he is back. Tolbert is a FA as well and has Ernest Graham/LeRon McClain written all over him.

Mathews has shown a great all around game the past few weeks. The problem will be that in week17 he is going to get all the looks and will have a great game.

 
Jahvid Best: B-minus

Best's future may be as a complementary back and receiver out of the backfield. Best gained two yards or less on 99 of his 161 carries, resulting in a lot of 17-35-0 stat lines. His big play potential is undeniable, and he is worth more in PPR leagues, but the Lions haven't produced a fantasy workhouse back in years, and Best has "committee" written all over him. Still, it's better to keep a potential RB3 than a TE1.

I am sure a lot of folks felt this way about Jamaal Charles after his rookie year.

On Best, He was dynamic in his first two games, then the injuries hit. Playing on turf toes, on both feet, shows me enough about this kids heart and desire. I will be buying low on him this off-season if his owners feel this way.

Can't wait to see what he can do when he is healthy, and Schwartz loves him.

 
domvin said:
Jahvid Best: B-minus

Best's future may be as a complementary back and receiver out of the backfield. Best gained two yards or less on 99 of his 161 carries, resulting in a lot of 17-35-0 stat lines. His big play potential is undeniable, and he is worth more in PPR leagues, but the Lions haven't produced a fantasy workhouse back in years, and Best has "committee" written all over him. Still, it's better to keep a potential RB3 than a TE1.

I am sure a lot of folks felt this way about Jamaal Charles after his rookie year.

On Best, He was dynamic in his first two games, then the injuries hit. Playing on turf toes, on both feet, shows me enough about this kids heart and desire. I will be buying low on him this off-season if his owners feel this way.

Can't wait to see what he can do when he is healthy, and Schwartz loves him.
He had a great week 2, not week 1....
 
domvin said:
Jahvid Best: B-minusBest's future may be as a complementary back and receiver out of the backfield. Best gained two yards or less on 99 of his 161 carries, resulting in a lot of 17-35-0 stat lines. His big play potential is undeniable, and he is worth more in PPR leagues, but the Lions haven't produced a fantasy workhouse back in years, and Best has "committee" written all over him. Still, it's better to keep a potential RB3 than a TE1.I am sure a lot of folks felt this way about Jamaal Charles after his rookie year.
or Tiki Barber, or Ahmad Bradshaw or.......Best has the build to be an everydown back.
 
I find it funny that they give Tebow an A+ saying he has excellent young receivers to throw to, and then the very next guy they list is Demaryious Thomas and they give him a D. Considering Demaryious Thomas is one of the 2 young WRs on the Broncos the 2 statements made by Tanier are quite contradicting.

Surprisingly, I agree with LHUCKS here. Mathews is going to be a stud imo, it's just a matter of time. I'm not as convinced with Best, as he really struggled running between the tackles this year; but he was so successful running between the tackles in college I'm willing to give leeway and attribute his struggles to the turf toe injuries.

Another guy I would add to the underrated list is Demaryious Thomas, especially given his D rating. Thomas has all the tools you look for in a WR, and this was his first season playing in an offense that didn't use the Wing T, and he had injuries throughout the season delaying his progress. With a full offseason to work on his craft, I think he can be a top-25 WR as soon as next year. The only worry is I don't expect any Bronco WR to have consistent success with Tebow running things.

One more is Jermaine Gresham. He has speed/good hands/good size. That's about all you need to be a good fantasy tight end. I wouldn't be surprised if he's a top 5 TE within the next 2 years.

Tebow getting an A+ after 2 games is pretty silly imo, especially if you actually watched the games instead of just looking at the stats which seems to be all that this Tanier fellow did. At least 50% of the throws Tebow made were screens to the RBs or bubble screens to WRs. Broncos receivers were able to rack up some YAC against the 32nd ranked Texans defense, but that won't happen most weeks. And the only downfield throws that were completed occurred when Lloyd made spectacular plays to catch the ball when it should have been incomplete/intercepted. Against better teams, I expect Tebow to be shut down completely.

Chris Ivory has Pierre Thomas and Reggie Bush to deal with, going to be near impossible to be a consistent fantasy RB with that competition.

 
LHUCKS said:
Underrated

Best

Matthews

Comment: I love how people give up on rookie RBs after one year...please. Both of these guys are in great situations and have first round talent. Both are great buy low candidates and I suspect if articles like this keep popping up I'll be drafting both of these players in the middle rounds next year...perfect.

Overrated

Ivory

Tim Tebow

Comments: I was a Tebow doubter, but the kid can obviously play...that being said he is not an A plus, we don't even know who the coach is going to be next year. I would probably give Tebow a B.

Ivory will be in a crowded backfield for the forseeable future and RBs have short life spans...are you really giving Ivory a higher grade than Best and Matthews....wow.

How do these writers get these jobs, Jesus.
Drafting good rbs who get injured their rokkie year is a favorite project of mine. MUCH better value the second year (see r brown, c williams, k moreno, bush, mcfadden)
 
For those of you who like Tebow as a keeper prospect, how do you feel about Joe Webb?

I believe Tebow and Webb bring a very similar skillset and likely similar production to the table if given a similar number of reps in 2011.

I may be biased, but the improvement Webb displayed from start 1 to start 2 and the fact he did it against a tough Eagles defense has me reasonably optimistic he may take the reigns next season.

Am I off base in the comparison or the optimism?

 
Warhogs said:
I wanted to comment a little about Tebow. I have him on one dynasty team so I like to see the A+ grade but it seems like a pretty high grade for a guy with 2 starts. I also chuckled a bit when he called the receiving corps full of young talent. I don't consider LLoyd and Gaffney young as they are really more journeymen receivers. I'm not knocking LLoyd for his great year, just the tag of young.
I assumed that was alluding to Thomas, Royal, Decker and possibly even Matthew Willis who showed some promise prior to getting hurt. Denver has quite a bit of depth and talent at the WR position.
 
Just goes to show why you shouldn't jump to conclusions after one season.

I think Demaryius Thomas showed great potential this year. I don't even like CJ Spiller, but I find his grade and the comments ridiculous. The dude hardly played. We don't know what he can do yet.

 
Tebow And the only downfield throws that were completed occurred when Lloyd made spectacular plays to catch the ball when it should have been incomplete/intercepted.
He hit Gaffney in stride for ~47 yards against he Texans and had a few nice completions on midrange throws to Lloyd. He's got a ways to go, but his completions weren't exclusively screens or Lloyd circus catches.
 
scrumptrulescent said:
Ryan Mathews: CHere's a stat that will strike fear into any fantasy owner: seven red zone carries, zero touchdowns. Mathews looks good on the game tape and is more versatile than the other Chargers running backs, but he is the kind of runner whose touches get whittled away from all sides: Darren Sproles gets the catches, Mike Tolbert gets the goal line carries, and Mathews gets stuck in 15-60-0 purgatory.
:thumbup: Love the negative hype he's getting. I remember Lesean McCoy getting similar negative hype last year.I'm keeping this guy and feeling good about it. He's got post hype stud written all over him imo.
Keep telling yourself that.
 
scrumptrulescent said:
Ryan Mathews: CHere's a stat that will strike fear into any fantasy owner: seven red zone carries, zero touchdowns. Mathews looks good on the game tape and is more versatile than the other Chargers running backs, but he is the kind of runner whose touches get whittled away from all sides: Darren Sproles gets the catches, Mike Tolbert gets the goal line carries, and Mathews gets stuck in 15-60-0 purgatory.
:shark: Love the negative hype he's getting. I remember Lesean McCoy getting similar negative hype last year.I'm keeping this guy and feeling good about it. He's got post hype stud written all over him imo.
Keep telling yourself that.
You dont think Mathews will be good?
 

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