Captain Cranks
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Greatest female pop artist of all time (1 Viewer)
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Captain Cranks
Footballguy
Madonna although Taylor is on her heels.
rustycolts
Footballguy
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
Debby Harry needs to be a choice here imo
She is my favorite
She is my favorite
rustycolts
Footballguy
Both are great for teen age girls.
Captain Cranks
Footballguy
Whatchu tryin' to say?
rustycolts
Footballguy
That as a father of a teen age girl back in the 80s I had to listen to Like a Virgin ad nauseum . So much that I still may need therapy to overcome it.Whatchu tryin' to say?
Manster
Footballguy
I prefer Weird Al's Like a Surgeon, myself.That as a father of a teen age girl back in the 80s I had to listen to Like a Virgin ad nauseum . So much that I still may need therapy to overcome it.Whatchu tryin' to say?
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Taylor Swift and honestly I don't think it's close.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I was the only one who went with Diana Ross. I think the fact she started in the 60s maybe works against her due to some recency bias.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
The same can be said for Ms. Swift now (she debuted in 2006, it is now 2025).
With all due respect to Madonna, who probably is comfortably in 2nd place here, she is now trailing Swift by quite a bit, largely because Swift has excelled at having hit singles AND smash albums, the latter of which is not close. Despite everyone knowing who Madonna was in the 90s, none of her albums went to number 1 here on the Billboard 200. Swift, meanwhile, has had 14 studio albums in a row DEBUT at number 1 (10 if you want to be pedantic and not count the Taylor's Version re-recordings), and of course has the record for most Album of the Year wins at the Grammy's (which might be mostly crap, but that is still a notable accompishment). With singles, both have had 12 number 1 hits, but Swift actually has more weeks spent at number 1. Again, Madonna reigned supreme for a long time, but she is now number 2. No shame in that,
rustycolts
Footballguy
I agree with the recency bias hence only 2 votes for the greatest pop singer of all time,but wouldn't Aretha and Diana be considered soul singers.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Diana Ross had a lot of pop hits with the Supremes and otherwise.
rustycolts
Footballguy
True it just when I think of her I think motown. She absolutely had a great voice regardless of genre. I would rank her head and shoulders over Swift not even close.
BlackCrowes
Footballguy
Madonna or Taylor. I voted Whitney just cuz
rustycolts
Footballguy
I think comparing Swift to artist Like Ross,Franklin and Turner is about the same as comparing Lainey Wilson to Patsy Cline. There is no comparison.
AAABatteries
Footballguy
Would have been interesting to see Madonna during the height of social media. Aretha is the best voice, IMO. Tina the best show(wo)man and all-around is Madonna or Taylor. I just am a little too old to fully appreciate the whole Taylor phenomenon.
Captain Cranks
Footballguy
I think if you forced yourself to listen to Swift for a month you would realize just how talented she is, even if her music isn't your style.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
What has Taylor done that exceeds Madonna?
rustycolts
Footballguy
You know I might just do that. I pride myself on my musical diversity. I just might be suffering on recency bias myself just in reverse.
the moops
Footballguy
Grammys
Multi billion dollar tour
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
There may be a category of two where Madonna is "greater" than TS. But taken as a whole I just don't see it being an argument.
Taylor Swift's Eras Tour alone has grossed $2,077,618,725. This single tour has surpassed Madonna's entire career touring gross.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Swift has definitely gotten more love from the big award shows. Madonna never was their favorite. Beyonce has made way more on tour but that's just the nature of modern tours. All 10 of the highest grossing tours in history were from the last 10 years. Ed Sheran has 2 tours that made more than any of Madonna's tours. But I think Madonna was set a standard for a female pop star and these massive stage production tours that were as much as traveling show than just a concert. So maybe Swift is doing it bigger but Madonna did it first. I am not saying Swift isn't the answer but it is close IMO.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
That means Ed Sheeran is the greatest male pop star of all time. He has 2 of the 6 highest grossing concert tours of all time. I am not doing the math but I bet those 2 tours alone surpass the total of every tour Michael Jackson ever did by 5x-10x.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
The answer to "who is in 2nd place" is Madonna and I don't think THAT'S much of a debate either.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
That was just one criteria. You know that's not the only one I'm considering.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Of course I do, just having some fun as grown men arguing about Taylor Swift vs Madonna lol
rustycolts
Footballguy
Yea that just doesn't sound right does it?
Ilov80s
Footballguy
If someone is arguing about it seriously they probably should step back. But I don't see anything wrong with arguing about anything all for a little fun.
Grace Under Pressure
Footballguy
I’da thrown Lady Gaga on the list. Beyoncé has no votes but belongs, maybe Rhianna and Ariana Grande belong too. Also props to Whitney, who has a couple votes. I voted for Taylor fwiw.
squistion
Footballguy
I would rather see Tina Turner in her prime than anyone else on the list.
Here is a blistering live performance clip from the "Hollywood A-Go Go" TV show in 1965 (Sorry about the For Research Only lettering in middle of the screen).
Ike & Tina Turner - A Fool in Love (Live TV 1965)
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Here is a blistering live performance clip from the "Hollywood A-Go Go" TV show in 1965 (Sorry about the For Research Only lettering in middle of the screen).
Ike & Tina Turner - A Fool in Love (Live TV 1965)
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Cowboysfan8
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Tickets were like 15 bucks in Madonna’s day
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
This is a silly comparison imo
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
Like saying Geno Smith is a better QB than Joe Montana because he made more last year than Montana made in his entire career
pollardsvision
Footballguy
I voted Madonna, and do agree that Swift's tour revenue doesn't mean everything.
But I don't recall Madonna or any other pop star reaching the same level of widespread obsession that Swift has reached. Feels like some Beatles/Elvis type stuff.
But I don't recall Madonna or any other pop star reaching the same level of widespread obsession that Swift has reached. Feels like some Beatles/Elvis type stuff.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Nobody said it did.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Okay...
Madonna's total ticket sales, adjusted for inflation to 2025, amount to approximately $1.751 billion.
Or, approximately $300m less than Taylor's last tour.
And that's just one metric.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Signs o' the different times...
And yet...
Taylor Swift
Taylor Swift's total sales can be calculated as follows:- Album sales: 114,000,000 units
- Streaming equivalent sales: 69,137,200 units
Madonna
Madonna's total sales can be broken down as:- Album sales: 300,000,000 units
- Streaming equivalent sales: 9,104,887 units
And yet...
- Taylor Swift: 14 number-one albums
- Madonna: 9 number-one albums
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I said before "It's not really close." It's closer than I originally thought. But it's still Swift.
And the maybe craziest thing is she's not close to done.
And the maybe craziest thing is she's not close to done.
rockaction
Footballguy
Instinctively, I'm going with Diana Ross. If you asked me which of those stars I'd like to see the most, it'd be Diana (and it's not close). Deborah Harry, as pointed out by Cowboysfan8, is probably number one for me, but I don't know exactly what "greatest" entails, so I'll stick with Diana.
eta* Diana has sold about 150,000,000 albums solo and with The Supremes, according to Chartmasters.
eta* Diana has sold about 150,000,000 albums solo and with The Supremes, according to Chartmasters.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
True.
Madonna's longevity has been impressive, but when you think about it, 2001 was her 20th year as a recording artist (2025 is Swift's as well for comparison's sake), and 2000 (her 19th year) was the last year Madonna had a number 1 hit here in America with the song, Music; Swift also had a number 1 in her 19th year with the song, Fortnight. Madonna's "dominance" or aura of being a strong competitor on the BIllboard Hot 100 was pretty much over after 2002, and I seriously doubt Swift is going to stop being a force, on the album or singles charts, any time soon. There is obviously more to this all than the charts, but Swift is already running laps around nearly everyone and is just going to keep doing so if she so chooses.
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