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Green Bay Packers Family Night (1 Viewer)

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I'm not sure if anyone else saw the Packers scrimmage tonight? I just got done watching the TV coverage so I thought why not start a discussion thread? Nothing earth shattering but I think the 3 main points I observed.

Rodgers looked good and had the offense moving well.

Jermichael Finley stood out again. For all those who are worried about having not seen enough of him. I still think he is a beast and will be a dominant TE this year and for years to come.

James Jones stood out too and looked really good in the offense filling in for Donald Driver.

 
I watched it as well and you sort of nailed the main points.

Finley and Jones were Rodgers favorite targets. Jennings was targeted twice and caught one I think. He was double covered and Finley was being covered by a LB.

Jordy Nelson with a great catch but took a shot. He's fine, but the top 4 WRs are very, very good.

Driver was out so that may have helped Finley a bit, I'm not sure.

Matt Flynn and Graham Harrell looked bad, just bad. The Packers are in trouble behind Rodgers, hopefully it doesn't come to that but I had hoped that Flynn would develop by now with 2 offseasons in McCarthys QB school.

Special teams looked better, but there was no live tackling. Brandon Jackson didn't come close to getting touched though on a KO return TD.

Neither Grant or Jackson had any running room, even vs the #2 defense. Both are having very good offseasons reportedly so don't take too much into that. They only ran the ball 6 or 7 times.

Crosby misses one or two a day, but he's working with 2 holders (the punters) and won't know who will be his holder until one of them wins the job.

Morgan Burnett played every snap. He didn't really get noticed except on a tackle of Grant with Hawk. However, that's kind of a good thing since he didn't make any mistakes either.

 
GunslingerEnder said:
Matt Flynn and Graham Harrell looked bad, just bad. The Packers are in trouble behind Rodgers, hopefully it doesn't come to that but I had hoped that Flynn would develop by now with 2 offseasons in McCarthys QB school.
I've been trying to keep up on Flynn as if I invest in any Packer skill players, I am curious what the drop off would be if he were inserted in for Rodgers due to injury. From you comment, it begins to confirm my fear that Flynn may not have it at this level. Much of his accolades were due to Brian Brohm's deficiencies, and since they were taken in the same draft (Flynn much later than Brohm), he may have gotten hype, when in the end, he was just lesser of the two evils. Kind of reminds me of the Gio Carmazzi/Tim Rattay situations years back in SF. I believe Carmazzi was an injury settlement (or just didn't make the team outright and never played in the NFL), but Rattay was forced to step in and many thought he beat out a better player...in the end, he didn't, he was just the better option (and not that good).
 
GunslingerEnder said:
Matt Flynn and Graham Harrell looked bad, just bad. The Packers are in trouble behind Rodgers, hopefully it doesn't come to that but I had hoped that Flynn would develop by now with 2 offseasons in McCarthys QB school.
I've been trying to keep up on Flynn as if I invest in any Packer skill players, I am curious what the drop off would be if he were inserted in for Rodgers due to injury. From you comment, it begins to confirm my fear that Flynn may not have it at this level. Much of his accolades were due to Brian Brohm's deficiencies, and since they were taken in the same draft (Flynn much later than Brohm), he may have gotten hype, when in the end, he was just lesser of the two evils. Kind of reminds me of the Gio Carmazzi/Tim Rattay situations years back in SF. I believe Carmazzi was an injury settlement (or just didn't make the team outright and never played in the NFL), but Rattay was forced to step in and many thought he beat out a better player...in the end, he didn't, he was just the better option (and not that good).
That's a fair assessment. The problem with that is that if Brohm actually was more talented, but needed to be in McCarthy's QB school and was not given the opportunity because Flynn outplayed him early on. The Packers then lost him from the practice squad.To be fair, Flynn was not playing with Finley, Jennings, Jones, Grant and the #1 OL.I didn't think about that earlier when I posted and maybe I'm jumping the gun a bit.The JSonline Packer blog writers do not have a lot of faith in the b/u QBs either. It was kind of why it stuck out.
 
For those in the non-local market, NLFN will be replaying the scrimmage Monday night at 7:00 CDT.

 
While Flynn hasn't stood out in camp, I don't think this was a good measuring stick for this year. As stated, he was playing without the #1 offensive threats. In a controlled scrimmage.

And a couple things:

1. This is a good defense.

2. Cliche, but defense is usually ahead of offense in training camp.

Flynn may never be great, but I definitely see some parallels between his progress and Rodgers. Rodgers is way more talented, but Flynn came in with arm strength questions marks. In that respect, he's improved a lot, just like Rodgers.

Flynn has those crazy intangibles that just don't allow me to write him off.

I believe that he can take a step forward this year.

 
Rodgers and the #1 offense went up against the #2 defense for a good portion. Flynn and the #2 O went against the #1 Defense. Pulling anything meaningful from the scrimmage is tough, at best.

Their special teams gave up two TDs. It's the sort of special that should be riding the short bus. How that coordinator survived another season.... he must have naked pictures of Ted Thompson somewhere.

 
While Flynn hasn't stood out in camp, I don't think this was a good measuring stick for this year. As stated, he was playing without the #1 offensive threats. In a controlled scrimmage. And a couple things:1. This is a good defense. 2. Cliche, but defense is usually ahead of offense in training camp.Flynn may never be great, but I definitely see some parallels between his progress and Rodgers. Rodgers is way more talented, but Flynn came in with arm strength questions marks. In that respect, he's improved a lot, just like Rodgers.Flynn has those crazy intangibles that just don't allow me to write him off. I believe that he can take a step forward this year.
I am not seeing it from him. He was way off on several throws, and when I attended practice this last week it was the same. He throws a lot of worm burners. On a positive note, Shields displayed some good athletic ability, and good football sense. I would like to see the kid develop.
 
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What about Hawk? I heard he made several plays. He has said he would be more of a playmaker this year.

 
Did they boo Flynn like they did Rodgers a couple years ago??
If he wears a #4 jersey they would. :goodposting:

Press Gazette

If nothing else, the Green Bay Packers’ Family Night scrimmage provided a preview of how important Jermichael Finley has become to their offense.

The Packers’ third-year tight end was the best playmaker on the field against both the Packers’ No. 2 defense in normal scrimmage situations and the defensive starters in a two-minute drill. He finished with four receptions for a 13.8-yard average and one touchdown in relatively limited playing time, and was by far the standout player on the night.

“You can throw the ball up to him and he just knows how to get it,” safety Charlie Peprah said. “A matchup nightmare. So I’m glad he’s on our team. There’s not too many people like him. He’s big enough where it’s hard for safeties to cover him, but he’s still quick enough where he’s a mismatch for linebackers.

“If he keeps on developing and being a professional he’ll be a superstar in this league.”

The Packers’ starting offense was on the field for only three series – twice it started with the ball on its own 20 against the No. 2 defense, and then later a two-minute drill from its own 35 against the starting defense.

On the second series, Finley had two receptions on which his 6-foot-5 and 247-pound frame overwhelmed the 5-10, 198-pound safety Derrick Martin. The first was a 14-yard reception that converted a third down, the second was a 14-yard touchdown pass.

Later in the two-minute, he had an 11-yard reception on which he ran over cornerback Brandon Underwood to get out of bounds and stop the clock, and a 16-yarder against Bishop on the next snap to move the ball to the defense’s 33. If this night was any indication, Finley could become a go-to receiver on third downs because he provides quarterback Aaron Rodgers with a huge, athletic target who can get to balls no one else on the field can.

“Obviously he has a big body,” cornerback Tramon Williams said. “From what I saw the cornerbacks and safeties had great coverage on him, but he’s got a big body, athletic guy. What can you do? We’ve got a great quarterback putting the ball in the right spots. It’s tough against him.

And with that receiving corps – I just want to wait for the season. You don’t want to get too excited but I see a lot there.”

Though Finley had a big night, the Packers’ No. 1 offense produced only the one touchdown in three tries. Finley’s touchdown came on the second of its two series against the No. 2 defense, and when it faced the starting defense in two-minute, it moved into scoring position but couldn’t put the ball in the end zone after having a second-and-1 at the 5.

That marked the fourth time in training camp that the starters have faced off in two-minute, with the offense needing a touchdown, and the defense has won all four. But Williams said the two-minute is skewed in the defense’s favor in practice.

“If you go back and do the statistics from last year I think we stopped ’em a lot also,” Williams said, “they only won, you probably can count it on one hand. It’s one of those things, we play against them every day so we know our offense and we know the receivers, so it’s tough on them. It’s one of those deals you know the receivers, some sets you see you know what they’re going to do. It’s repetition we see every day.”

Rodgers finished the night 9 of 14 passing for 127 yards and a touchdown, which is a passer rating of 117.3 points.

“The two-minute was a major emphasis going into last season, we definitely answered that bell,” coach Mike McCarthy said. “I’d definitely rank Aaron one of the better two-minute quarterbacks I’ve coached, even though it’s early in his career. I’ve had an opportunity to work with him on a daily basis, I’m very confident in him handling two-minute situations.”

The Packers’ starting defense only played three series also and wasn’t challenged by quarterback Matt Flynn and the No. 2 offense. Both of Flynn’s regular series against the starters ended in three-and-outs, with cornerback Brandon Underwood ending the second with an third-down interception that he returned for about a 30-yard touchdown.

In the two-minute against the starting offense, linebacker A.J. Hawk blew up a third-and-one run by halfback Ryan Grant for a four-yard loss, to the 9. Rodgers’ fourth-down pass to Charles Dillon, an undrafted rookie who is a long-shot to make the team, was incomplete.

“The No. 1 defense played extremely well,” McCarthy said. “Go out and create three and outs, that’s exactly what you’re looking for.”

 
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Rodgers and the #1 offense went up against the #2 defense for a good portion. Flynn and the #2 O went against the #1 Defense. Pulling anything meaningful from the scrimmage is tough, at best. Their special teams gave up two TDs. It's the sort of special that should be riding the short bus. How that coordinator survived another season.... he must have naked pictures of Ted Thompson somewhere.
The special teams weren't doing live tackeling. The Sam Shields "touchdown" would not have been had they been playing for real. He was touched down several times. The Brandon Jackson return looked a lot more legit, but several of the local writers say that wouldn't have been a TD in a real game either. So i wouldn't worry too much about that, or get too excited about those returns.Other thoughts:In all the practices, the differences between Rodgers and the other QBs are very obvious. James Jones had a good night, but that was sans Driver and Nelson. Nelson has been easily outperforming Jones in practices. Finley is a beast and this offense is going to be run through him to a large extent this year. Those who think Finley is overvalued are going to be disappointed they passed on him in the 5th or 6th round. He's better than most people realize.Keep an eye on RB Quinn Porter. James Starks had better get healthy fast. He didn't do much at family night, but he's been impressive in other practices.
 

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