Bigboy10182000
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This reads a lot like the McFadden thread from last year.
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Hakeem Nicks risk/reward (1 Viewer)
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Run It Up
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Bigboy10182000
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Yup! It's kind of scary actually. I learned my lesson now and I'm staying away.Run It Up said:
Run It Up
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Agreed. He had a great 13 games in 2010. I don't see the same guy anymore. I love the comment on the last page that this is his contract year and he doesn't want to pull a Dustin Keller. Sure, that's why he looks like he can't get separation in pre-season, he is saving himself. He must have been saving himself in 2012 as well knowing 2013 was his real contract year.
If he drops a ton, I will look at him, but I had Nicks in a keeper league since he was a rookie and last year and pre-season I sure don't see the 2010 Nicks anymore.
Jed
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LOL, you know what I mean. This past weekend, he didn't look like a guy "saving" it to me, he looked exactly like the 2012 Nicks I watched last year who just seemed slow, not explosive and got no separation. I saw the 2010/2011 playoff Nicks and I don't see that Nicks anymore. Maybe he is saving it, but that isn't how you win the confidence of your QB, coach and teammates, so I am inclined to think that 2013 Nicks = 2012 Nicks.
"Giants receiver Hakeem Nicks continues toimprove as practice goes on, reports the Newark Star-Ledger.
The report said in Wednesday's practice "Nicks looked the best" he's been in camp today. The report added that in end zone drills he had a nice grab right before the pylon. In the next set of drills, he nabbed a pass while leaping and spinning.
It appears as if Nicks is getting closer to being 100 percent."
The report said in Wednesday's practice "Nicks looked the best" he's been in camp today. The report added that in end zone drills he had a nice grab right before the pylon. In the next set of drills, he nabbed a pass while leaping and spinning.
It appears as if Nicks is getting closer to being 100 percent."
BearsFan4Life
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Nicks 100% healthy really means he is playing at 85 to 90% ..don't think the guy is every 100% healthy except the moment he was born
SameSongNDance
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tdhartis
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Okay, so four games in and Nicks has had two solid games and two stinkers. A lot of people drafted him as their WR2 or WR3 and with lofty expectations that he may finish in the Top 15 because he is back to 100% health and in a contract year. Admittedly, I was one of these people.
What are people's expectations from this point forward? Are you comfortable viewing him as a WR3? Do you think he and/or the Giants will turn around and there will be a significant improvement?
I'm not sure where I stand, but I can't imagine it could get much worse.
What are people's expectations from this point forward? Are you comfortable viewing him as a WR3? Do you think he and/or the Giants will turn around and there will be a significant improvement?
I'm not sure where I stand, but I can't imagine it could get much worse.
Run It Up
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That if the Giants don't get their #### together that his ceiling is significantly lower than I had anticipated.
Nicks is healthy and playing well, the offense is just in shambles. It doesn't help that when there is any pressure at all on Eli if he can't see Cruz he ####s himself.
When Nicks needled Eli after week 3 I expected them to give him a shot against a tough defense and they more or less did but he keeps getting some brutal coverage.
Nicks is healthy and playing well, the offense is just in shambles. It doesn't help that when there is any pressure at all on Eli if he can't see Cruz he ####s himself.
When Nicks needled Eli after week 3 I expected them to give him a shot against a tough defense and they more or less did but he keeps getting some brutal coverage.
karmarooster
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I'm feeling pretty good about the Eagles defense. All those crossing routes - that's Nicks' territory, not Cruz.
Phenix
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His situation is a mess. He is on the outs with the QB, he has the dropsies, he is not getting targets, team stinks, bad attitude and most of all no confidence from most of us in fantasy land. With that said the second you bench him is the second he has a big game. You can't bench him yet, if they dont try to force feed him a TD here I bet you see Nicks start to drift away and stay healthy for free agency. Even if his production is not great here, he will care more about staying healthy to cash in. My thoughts.
Bigboy10182000
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Sabertooth
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tdhartis
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I didn't watch the game, but read somewhere Nicks dropped 3 catchable long balls thrown his way. Seems to signal the opposite, no?
Shutout
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This is a dynasty migraine. Even if he continues to meander through this season, you have to wonder what happens next?
Does he go somewhere where he will be great again? It seems like with WRs, change of scenery is a real factor sometimes. So, when someone asks me what I think about Nicks in dynasty I always bite my tongue because I start thinking about that twitter feed I know I will see next March
"Broncos/Lions/(insert team here) signs FA Nicks. There is almost nowere he could go that would drive his value down (maybe the Colts sign him as they prepare for the end of Wayne).
I guess what I am getting at is as bad as he has been a headache recently, we all know what he was in 2010 and what he flashes glimpses of even now. I know its hard to remember things in ff but in 2010, you would have had to back the Brinks truck up to land Nicks in a dynasty. Now, at 25 or 26, he is still young. It is hard to do anything with this guy.
I would buy low if I had the chance but hold if I owned him.
Does he go somewhere where he will be great again? It seems like with WRs, change of scenery is a real factor sometimes. So, when someone asks me what I think about Nicks in dynasty I always bite my tongue because I start thinking about that twitter feed I know I will see next March
"Broncos/Lions/(insert team here) signs FA Nicks. There is almost nowere he could go that would drive his value down (maybe the Colts sign him as they prepare for the end of Wayne).
I guess what I am getting at is as bad as he has been a headache recently, we all know what he was in 2010 and what he flashes glimpses of even now. I know its hard to remember things in ff but in 2010, you would have had to back the Brinks truck up to land Nicks in a dynasty. Now, at 25 or 26, he is still young. It is hard to do anything with this guy.
I would buy low if I had the chance but hold if I owned him.
fightingillini
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To play devil's advocate, you need to be able to produce to get that big payday. A bad attitude and poor play will cost him millions. Nicks needs to take a page out of Andre Johnson's playbook.....AJ was questionable all week and was a gametime decision.....not only AJ sucks it up and plays, he brings in the lunchpail and gets over 100 yards receiving against perhaps the best defense in he league and facing one of the best cover corners in Richard Sherman. Nicks has not shown that he can play hurt at a high level.
He's not getting targets becuase Eli is getting sacked too much, Nicks is dropping too many passes, NYG can't sustain drives and Eli has a mancrush on Cruz. You can blame Nicks as well as the team for that. But it's no excuse for Nicks....Cruz is getting it done.
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tdhartis
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Agreed. He obviously has the talent, and I remember 2010 well as it was the first time I drafted him and he had a great year. His ADP the past couple seasons was too high for my liking, and this year was just right. Unfortunately, I think he's one of those players that doesn't necessarily give his all unless (a) he is 100% healthy; and (b) he has a motive for doing it.
With (a) out of the way, I thought (b) would be satisfied by the fact that he is in a contract year, and if he hopes to receive what will likely be the largest and longest duration contract he will have for the rest of his career, he will have to earn it. It's hard to tell at this point if the Giants offense is solely to blame, if he is not giving it his all, or a combination of the two.
If I were to slap a label on his past two game performances I would blame week 3 on the Giants offense, and week 4 on him. The jury is still out on the cause behind it if you ask me. Like you said, I think he is a hold or a buy-low. For redraft, I'm hoping the Giants turns around and he sees the light in a contract year, and in dynasty you have to think his situation improves almost anywhere he might land with the exception of maybe Oakland, Tampa, or Jacksonville.
tdhartis
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Bolded #1: That is 100% correct in Week 4. In Week 3, Eli getting sacked was a large reason behind the lack of targets. He was only thrown to once.
Bolded #2: Bingo. Cruz being viable shows that it is possible for Nicks to be.
It sounds crazy, but the Giants actually improved in Week 4 offensively compared to Week 3. I'm hoping it's the wheels starting to spin in NY.
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KellysHeroes
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buy low
I had Nicks a couple years when he put up nice stats, but Nicks doesn't have Andre's playbook, let alone be able to rip a page out of it. I posted in this thread after watching Nicks in the pre-season when people said he was "holding back" for the regular season. I just saw a shell of his former self and stayed far away. He is around #60 in my PPR league, which is not even startable in 16 team leagues. If you have him, scour the waiver wire, there are probably a bunch of guys already playing better than him and should be starting in place of him until you see life from him.fightingillini said:
Cruz is ripping it up and Eli as bad as he has been is 9th in passing yards and Nicks is still awful. You might think Randle and Myers are eating into Nicks, but they are 72nd and 79th in receiving yards. I think the jury already ruled on this case and Nicks, in a contract year, just cannot separate anymore and get open. He appears to be the guy I watched in pre-season.
karmarooster
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Yes I'm sure the "jury already ruled on this case".... in Week 4. That's like ruling on the entire case 2/3rds of the way through discovery.
Amused to Death
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Maybe Nicks just isn't that good. He's only had 1 top-10 season (finishing 8th in '10) and hasn't done much since Cruz emerged in '11. Cruz has been the far better receiver, whether its due to injury,scheme or motivation Nicks just hasn't done much.
tdhartis
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WRs are probably the worst position and far as difficulty performing while hampered, even to a degree, by injury. The past two seasons Nicks has been plagued with constant knee and/or foot issues, and certainly the emergence of Cruz doesn't help his productivity any. He has shown in the past he has the talent and certainly the measurables to be a top receiver in the NFL, and I think it's premature to sign him off as not "that good" considering the circumstances. That's not to say that the injury hasn't sapped him of the ability that once made him great, but I still think it's far from certain that is the case. Most certainly a wait-and-see IMHO.
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Jimbo Slice
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Trying to buy low right now. Shovel some crap from my bench to the nicks owner with zero depth in our 14 teamer. Sometimes yahoos terrible trade evaluator can work to your advantage
Grahamburn
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These are the types of players a Nicks' owner would accept. Both have been disappointing so far, but they've been productive in the past so you know the upside is there.
The poster "shoveling crap from his bench" is likely to insult the Nicks owner, and decrease his chances of completing future trades. Don't be "obvious buy low guy." It's annoying.
Run It Up
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I wouldn't trade Nicks for Wallace personally while I do agree they hold similar value at this point.
The Dolphins have been playing well this year, the Giants have not - if you had to bet on whether the Giants improve or if the Dolphins maintain their level of play which would you take?
The Dolphins have been playing well this year, the Giants have not - if you had to bet on whether the Giants improve or if the Dolphins maintain their level of play which would you take?
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