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Half of the Steelers 2006 Draft Class Cut! (1 Viewer)
- Thread starter SnakeEyes
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Nice pick Cowah!
ren hoek
Footballguy
Eh, they weren't even going to be able to sign most of them anyways. I'd have wanted a much better 1st-rounder than Santurdio, but other than that you can't place too much blame on them for having to release so many draft picks. That doesn't even factor in the picks they dealt in order to trade up for Holmes.
Not sure about historical numbers but that seems like a lot. Then again, the team only lost 3 players (Chris Hope, Antwaan Randle-El, and Kimo von Oelhoffen) during free agency and were pretty stacked at the backup positions last season. And they had ten draft picks at one point after the compensatory picks were announced. Hopefully a couple of the promising ones (Humes and maybe Jacobs) will land on the practice squad.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
The Steelers had an abundance of picks so it doesn't surprise me. The two biggest disappointments to me were 4th round pick Orien Harris and 5th round pick Omar Jacobs.
On draft day the Steelers offered a 5th round pick to Atlanta for Duckett but Atlanta wanted either a 4th round pick this year or a 3rd round pick next. They had so many picks this season they should have pulled the trigger.
Jacobs looked good in the final preseason game but it is obvious he is going to be a bit of a project. I am guessing the Steelers will try to sign him to the practice squad but another team, maybe Cleveland, may snap him up. I wanted the Steelers to draft Bruce Gradkowski who was still available at the time.
On draft day the Steelers offered a 5th round pick to Atlanta for Duckett but Atlanta wanted either a 4th round pick this year or a 3rd round pick next. They had so many picks this season they should have pulled the trigger.
Jacobs looked good in the final preseason game but it is obvious he is going to be a bit of a project. I am guessing the Steelers will try to sign him to the practice squad but another team, maybe Cleveland, may snap him up. I wanted the Steelers to draft Bruce Gradkowski who was still available at the time.
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CrossEyed
Guest
Exactly. How many rookies would you expect to make a defending SB championship team that only lost 3 players in the offseason?
AhrnCityPahnder
Yinz-o-riffic
remember they traded around a bit in the first three round (up to get holmes, then down out of the second -- I think the net result was minus one pick) but that they also had 3 compensatory picks for ARE, Hope and Kimo.
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CrossEyed
Guest
I'm guessing they're hoping to sign him to the practice squad.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
I don't believe the compensatory picks were for ARE, Hope and Kimo. Those will come next draft. The 2006 compensatory picks were for Plaxico, Kendrell Bell, Oliver Ross and Keydrick Vincent.
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AhrnCityPahnder
Yinz-o-riffic
Brain Fart, you're right. but we only had three because we signed somebody - drawing a blank on who but it was only three picks this year, I think.
Englishteacher
Footballguy
second year in a row they cut their 4th rounder === Fred Gibson 2005
4th rounders are pretty high picks yo'
4th rounders are pretty high picks yo'
Well then that's just poor management. If they knew they weren't goint to need the picks, they should have traded them. I'm sure some team would have jumped on getting a fourth and two fifth round picks for a third round pick or something like that.
Englishteacher
Footballguy
damn right there... could have loaded up for 2007 and sent the picks to teams like GB, Tenn, or SF that are rebuilding
AhrnCityPahnder
Yinz-o-riffic
What are you talking about? Your comment is absurd. You don't/can't know you're not going to need them. You draft on day two for depth and try to get cheaper replacement for your aging starters. You don't know if it will work out or not....you have to get them into camp and watch them play and then you make your assessment.
TheLaw
Footballguy
Cedrick Wilson
I was hoping that they would trade at least a couple of them. I can't fault them for taking a crap shot on Orien Harris, though, as he was going to be either a boom or a bust and if he made, he would have been outstanding value. The only one that had me really
at the time was the Charles Davis pick.
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Englishteacher
Footballguy
but you know what? a 2006 5th round pick is worth a 2007 4th round pick. You typically upgrade a pick by a round by trading it away for considerations the following year. I agree with you you need guys in camp for depth and to try and replace older, more expensive vets but this is the 2nd year in a row Pitt has cut it's 4th rounder. That's a very high pick and if these guys aren't going to make your squad I'd trade up in the following year's draft or up in the present one to aquire a higher caliber player that isgoing to help your ballclub. There are too many teams out there that are hungry for young players - SF, GB, Tenn, all of whom had 10 picks or more this year - that are rebuilding and would have loved some of these guys to fill out rosters as they dropped dead, expensive veteran weight. I catch your drift on your statement but this was a waste of value.AhrnCityPahnder said:
if they clear waivers, i fully expect at least Omar Jacobs and Orien Harris to be on the practice squad. i'm doubtful of the other two. the benefit of drafting them, even if you're going to cut them, is that no other team is likely to snatch them up on their 53 man roster. they can develop on the practice squad (esp. Jacobs) and pay dividends down the line.
Lots of 4th rounders, and even 3rd rounders, fail to make ballclubs. The big example everyone will throw out is Maurice Clarett, but he was the final pick of the 3rd round and might as well have been a 4th rounder. He wasn't even the highest draft pick who failed to make a roster last season.Draft picks just have a hard time making rosters on some of the deeper and more talented NFL teams. It's how it always is. Also, a 4th rounder really isn't that high of a pick, either- especially considering it was probably the last pick of the 4th round, since Pitt won the SB.Englishteacher said:second year in a row they cut their 4th rounder === Fred Gibson 20054th rounders are pretty high picks yo'
pizzatyme
Footballguy
If it was such a longshot for these guys to make the squad, why not package all of them and maybe a 1st rounder for one of the jewels of the draft? I mean, they would've had nothing to lose by doing this in my estimation!
How would a Mario Williams, or Reggie Bush look in a Steelers uni?! Or maybe the best O-lineman?
How would a Mario Williams, or Reggie Bush look in a Steelers uni?! Or maybe the best O-lineman?
Solidsteel Rats
Footballguy
Never heard of them who are they?SnakeEyes said:
Godsbrother
Footballguy
The two 4s and the 5 were compensatory picks that could not be traded. The Steelers did trade a 3rd and the one 4th pick they could to move up to get Santonio Holmes in the 1st, a position that most thought was their biggest need.
pizzatyme
Footballguy
Fair enough! Always good to have homers for the informed scoop!
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Borat
Footballguy
They didn't do anything wrong? How about selecting these guys that ended up being cut before they even played a real game?
If they were players taken on day one then I would agree with you.
Borat
Footballguy
These guys didn't make the team. It happens all the time, and I realize that. But if you don't think the Steelers did anything wrong here, then you must think they did something right. Or you must think that rounds 4 - 7 are completely irrelevant. Which is it?I'm not trying to take a shot at the Steelers. I've already stated in this thread that I think they've been one of the best drafting teams in the league over the past few years. Expectations for these guys may not have been very high, but when it turns out that you've wasted draft picks, then yes, that is doing something wrong.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
The Steelers lost only a few players during the offseason and they chose 9 players in the draft. How many did you expect to make a team that won the Super Bowl last year and brought back nearlythe whole team?
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I believe that rounds 4-7 are a high tech crap shoot. A championship team is only going to have so much room for rookies on their roster. Ideally all picks would play a substantial role, but that seldom is a reality. If a player from the later rounds becomes an all-pro I see that as a positive statement for the individual's character and ability. All teams have had failures and successes in this part of the draft. Some teams are able to find more diamonds in the rough than the perenial losers of the league.As far as "taking shots at the Steelers" is concerned I would encourage you to do so. I won't be offended because I am a Seahawk fan who borderline hates the Steelers. But in this case, I can respect the team enough to admit that this could have happened to anyone.
Borat
Footballguy
From your response, I assume that you, too, don't think the Steelers did anything wrong. Is that your opinion?By the way, I'm not saying that the Steelers made some horrible mistake or that this draft is a black mark on their organization or anything. But when you've wasted 4th and 5th round draft picks, is that doing something right?
coolnerd
Footballguy
FWIW, as of this typing every drafted rookie (7) with (5) starting for the Houston Texans. Great draft, bad football team or both?
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Borat
Footballguy
Although I wouldn't go so far as to call it a "crap shoot," I will agree that it can be very difficult to predict how good players who are drafted in rounds 4- 7 will be.The Steelers took a shot at some players in these rounds. Although the odds were perhaps against them to begin with, they still got it wrong. I don't really see how you can disagree with this.Even if they only lost a few players from last season, in a perfect world, everyone drafted would be good enough to make the team, if only because they'd have more cap-friendly contracts than the players they'd be replacing.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Yes, I don't think the Steelers did anything wrong. They chose 9 players and it was a sure thing they wouldn't all make the team. It turns out that 4 out of the 9 were cut -- I don't think that is a big deal. And it is likely that one or more will be re-signed to the practice squad. So chances are 6 or 7 out of the 9 guys drafted will still be with the organization.
Cookiemonster
Footballguy
HEY!
It's a 4th round pick people! Aren't like 40% of 1st round picks out of football after 3 years? Really, go knock on the Raiders' for draft strategy if you're so desperate that you have to fish w/ bait like that. Hmmm, Oakland... 1st rounders... N.Harris, P.Buchanon, Gallery, D.Gibson, any others???
It's a 4th round pick people! Aren't like 40% of 1st round picks out of football after 3 years? Really, go knock on the Raiders' for draft strategy if you're so desperate that you have to fish w/ bait like that. Hmmm, Oakland... 1st rounders... N.Harris, P.Buchanon, Gallery, D.Gibson, any others???
The Jerk
Footballguy
Jacobs was pick 164, the last normal pick of the 5th roundDavis was pick 167, a compensatory (non-tradable) pickHumes was pick 240, the last pick of the draft except for compensatories (the old school Mr. Irrelevant)In the case of Jacobs and Davis, keep in mind that pick 170 was a 6th round pick. If it is typically no surprise when a 6th round pick fails to make a roster, then it can't be shocking that two very late 5th round picks fail to stick with the team.The only arguable miss in the draft was on Orien Harris, but even he was the very last, compensatory pick of the 4th round, pick 133. So again, he's basically equivalent to an early 5th round pick.Adding Gibson to the mix, the two 4th round picks that the Steelers have cut in successive years were the 30th pick of the 4th round and the 36th pick of the 4th round. Each is not significantly different from an early 5th round pick.Let's keep in mind that the Steelers have 19 of 22 starters returning and nearly all key reserves from a team that has gone 16-2 and 15-5 the past two seasons. This is not to say that the Steelers are off limits from criticism, just that all picks in a round are not created equal, and that all teams are not equal. I'd expect players to have a tougher time making the Seahawks, Colts and Broncos than the 49ers or Texans, for example.
I liken the Steelers cutting their rookies to a fantasy team cutting its 16th round pick in favor of a nice waiver wire gem. Did that fantasy team do something WRONG because its 16th round pick was expendable? Should that fantasy team be taken to task because their 16th rounder didn't become a huge value pick?Second day draft picks are a crap shoot. If you hit on even 20%, you're getting phenominal value. So no, I would not say that the Steelers have done anything wrong. Doesn't mean they've done anything right, either. It wasn't a good move, it wasn't a bad move, it was simply an average move to be expected of such a strong squad.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Yes because the Browns have a long list of drafting players that have made the Pro Bowl since re-joining the league.
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apalmer
Footballguy
Not to mention the fact that the Steelers could also learn from them how important it is to replace your head coach on a regular basis. Heck, they were in a perfect position to add a young rising star head coach this year and instead they stuck with the guy who's been there forever. What a waste!
cracKer
Shawn Culcasi
99-02Tim Couch(1)Courtney Brown(1)Gerard Warren(3)William Green(16)
Humes, Jacobs, and Orien Harris were officially signed to the Steelers practice squad today along with several UDFAs (Madison and Kuhn looked really good in preseason) and 2005 7th round pick Shaun Nua
http://news.steelers.com/article/68653/
http://news.steelers.com/article/68653/
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Captain Quinoa
Footballguy
To be fair, Brown and Warren looked good once they got out of Cleveland.99-02Tim Couch(1)Courtney Brown(1)Gerard Warren(3)William Green(16)
Godsbrother
Footballguy
So only 1 of the 9 players drafted are no longer with the club? What was the point of this thread again?
