Hardesty and Ben Tate - Dynast format (1 Viewer)

[bluesclues]

With the latest injury to Hardesty - where does this leave the potential for 2011 for Ben Tate and Hardesty in dynasty PPR formats?

Do they still hold high value base don their rookie draft ADP?

 

[saintfool]

i wouldn't be so worried about hardesty. tate could be an afterthought if foster handles the rigors of a full season and is productive.

 

[FUBAR]

I like Hardesty's talent but isn't this his 4th knee injury / surgery?

 

[Multiple Scores]

Tate isn't talented hardesty is. Just one guys opinion.

 

[Babu Bhatt2]

i wouldn't be so worried about hardesty. tate could be an afterthought if foster handles the rigors of a full season and is productive.

I disagree, but for a different reason. I agree that Foster is a bigger threat than any RB the Browns have on their roster. But Hardesty's injury history makes him a huge gamble at this point. I question whether he'll ever be productive with so many knee surgeries behind him. He could easily be a Chris Perry or Kenny Irons at this point.Ben Tate has a less serious injury, IMO, and has the physical tools to come back and produce a year from now. I'm not worried about his injury affecting his long-term viability.

 

[jeter23]

I think both guys are worth a 2nd round rookie pick, at best.

 

[soothsayer]

Question for the masses - can you think of any rookie RBs that suffered a season-ending injury during the pre-season that came back in subsequent seasons and were relevant in fantasy football?

I don't have the knowledge or memory to try and answer this but the questions about Hardesty/Tate's long term prospects got me wondering. Are there any examples of rookies that got hurt pre-season and disappeared forever despite looking promising pre-injury?

What can historical examples tell us about the future of Hardesty and Tate?

 

[Grimace59]

This smells like Ki-Jana Carter all over again... remember him? 1st over all pick... Devastating knee injury... does nothing when he comes back.

Both have no value, just like stated above, no Rookie RB has come back from a season ending injury before they even step on the field in the reg season.

 

[soothsayer]

...no Rookie RB has come back from a season ending injury before they even step on the field in the reg season.

Is the above true? I think I believe it should be true, but I can't confirm/deny with any precedent off the top of my head. Intuitively it seems correct as the window of opportunity in the NFL seems to close so quickly. Anyone?

 

[Patoons]

...no Rookie RB has come back from a season ending injury before they even step on the field in the reg season.

Is the above true? I think I believe it should be true, but I can't confirm/deny with any precedent off the top of my head. Intuitively it seems correct as the window of opportunity in the NFL seems to close so quickly. Anyone?

I don't know, but McGahee was drafted in 2003 after a major knee injury in the Fiesta Bowl; he missed all of 2004. He's had 3 seasons of 1,000+ yards. The injury didn't happen in the NFL, but he still missed his rookie season due to injury.

 

[soothsayer]

I don't know, but McGahee was drafted in 2003 after a major knee injury in the Fiesta Bowl; he missed all of 2004. He's had 3 seasons of 1,000+ yards. The injury didn't happen in the NFL, but he still missed his rookie season due to injury.

That's an interesting example. The first difference that jumps out is that McGahee was a 1st round draft pick (#23). I think it's fair to say that McGahee was quite a bit more heralded out of college than Tate or Hardesty wereer Wikipedia:

"In the early part of the fourth quarter during the 2003 Fiesta Bowl National Championship Game, McGahee suffered an injury after catching a screen pass from Dorsey. He was immediately hit by Buckeye safety Will Allen, bending his left knee backwards and causing tears of the ACL, PCL, and MCL. This injury required several surgeries and extensive rehabilitation before he would be able to play again. At the season's end, McGahee announced he would not collect on a $2.5 million insurance policy he had taken out before the Championship game, and therefore would enter the 2003 NFL Draft.

Prior to his knee injury in the 2003 Fiesta Bowl, McGahee was considered "a cinch top-five pick."[1] Because McGahee's knee injury was still a major concern to professional scouts, the Buffalo Bills drafted McGahee as the 23rd overall selection of the 2003 NFL Draft.

McGahee was still recuperating at the time, and eventually made his professional debut in the first game of the 2004 NFL season.

So he was taken in the 1st round even though the Bills knew they'd have to wait a year for him to even practice. I think it's good to see an example of a RB that overcame such an injury pre-rookie year, but I'm not ready to compare either of these guys to McGahee.Good post though Patoons - exactly the kind of history I'm looking to learn from!

 

[Otis]

Question for the masses - can you think of any rookie RBs that suffered a season-ending injury during the pre-season that came back in subsequent seasons and were relevant in fantasy football?I don't have the knowledge or memory to try and answer this but the questions about Hardesty/Tate's long term prospects got me wondering. Are there any examples of rookies that got hurt pre-season and disappeared forever despite looking promising pre-injury? What can historical examples tell us about the future of Hardesty and Tate?

Frank Gore is close, though not identical.

 

[Babu Bhatt2]

...no Rookie RB has come back from a season ending injury before they even step on the field in the reg season.

Is the above true? I think I believe it should be true, but I can't confirm/deny with any precedent off the top of my head. Intuitively it seems correct as the window of opportunity in the NFL seems to close so quickly. Anyone?

Depands how narrow the question is. There are running backs who suffered through injury-marred early years and came back to be productive. See, for example, Robert Smith.

 

[Loan Sharks]

Cut them

 

[Casting Couch]

I would bump them down CONSIDERABLY. Hardesty is a huge risk going forward, with his long injury history.

 

[squistion]

...no Rookie RB has come back from a season ending injury before they even step on the field in the reg season.

Is the above true? I think I believe it should be true, but I can't confirm/deny with any precedent off the top of my head. Intuitively it seems correct as the window of opportunity in the NFL seems to close so quickly. Anyone?

Kenny Irons is the most recent example that comes to mind. I remember him specifically because I had taken him in the late first of a rookie draft in two leagues. Hurt in the preseason and never amounted to anything after that.