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So if Julio is out this week for the Falcons-Titans, what are your expectations for Douglas? He got the targets and receptions last week and the Titans are a middle of the raod pass defense at best. With their one good defender Finnegan on Roddy, Douglas could be in line for another good game. What I'm trying to figure out is where that places him on this week's rankings. Do you play him over Bowe with a new QB? A struggling Vincent Jackson? How about the resurgent Earl Bennett? I like Douglas this week and my guess is I have him ranked higher than most do. Thoughts from the pool?

 
'Skinsfan said:
So if Julio is out this week for the Falcons-Titans, what are your expectations for Douglas? He got the targets and receptions last week and the Titans are a middle of the raod pass defense at best. With their one good defender Finnegan on Roddy, Douglas could be in line for another good game. What I'm trying to figure out is where that places him on this week's rankings. Do you play him over Bowe with a new QB? A struggling Vincent Jackson? How about the resurgent Earl Bennett? I like Douglas this week and my guess is I have him ranked higher than most do. Thoughts from the pool?
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Would be easier to answer if you would just tell us who your other recievers are; what your league scoring rules are; how many recievers you can start, etc.Once you have this information collected, click on the Assistant Coach Forum, post the information, and you should get several knowledgable responses.
 
'Skinsfan said:
So if Julio is out this week for the Falcons-Titans, what are your expectations for Douglas? He got the targets and receptions last week and the Titans are a middle of the raod pass defense at best. With their one good defender Finnegan on Roddy, Douglas could be in line for another good game. What I'm trying to figure out is where that places him on this week's rankings. Do you play him over Bowe with a new QB? A struggling Vincent Jackson? How about the resurgent Earl Bennett? I like Douglas this week and my guess is I have him ranked higher than most do. Thoughts from the pool?
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He is a definite add this week and most people will and should be starting him. As for rankings, it's a total crapshoot with the players you mentioned and this is not the forum for it. That said, if you have bye or injury issues, you can do a lot worse than HD.
 
'Cenobite said:
He is a definite add this week and most people will and should be starting him. As for rankings, it's a total crapshoot with the players you mentioned and this is not the forum for it. That said, if you have bye or injury issues, you can do a lot worse than HD.
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Agreed. He had a monster week last week on 14 targets with Julio Jones hobbled. I added him with my #1 priority waiver this week when it became increasingly clear Julio probably wouldn't play. He should put up WR3 numbers at home against Tennessee, and I will be starting him over either Desean Jackson or Tampa Mike.
 
With Andre Johnson, Miles Austin and Aj Green injured on my bench I grabbed Harry Douglas and Vincent Brown to fill in this week. I am expecting big things from both WR's in week 11

 
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He will be defended by Finnegan this week, so down grade him. With White in the flanker spot, he will be gaurded by Jason McCourty!! Just my 2 cents worth.

 
Conflicting reports on Julio's status and the dreaded GTD has this as a maddening 4:00 lineup decision for those who own both. If Julio is active, do you still trust him, or stick with Douglas? I wish Julio would just sit and heal up right, and be ready for later.

 
'dagwood said:
'Skinsfan said:
So if Julio is out this week for the Falcons-Titans, what are your expectations for Douglas? He got the targets and receptions last week and the Titans are a middle of the raod pass defense at best. With their one good defender Finnegan on Roddy, Douglas could be in line for another good game. What I'm trying to figure out is where that places him on this week's rankings. Do you play him over Bowe with a new QB? A struggling Vincent Jackson? How about the resurgent Earl Bennett? I like Douglas this week and my guess is I have him ranked higher than most do. Thoughts from the pool?
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Would be easier to answer if you would just tell us who your other recievers are; what your league scoring rules are; how many recievers you can start, etc.Once you have this information collected, click on the Assistant Coach Forum, post the information, and you should get several knowledgable responses.
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Yep, from an 03 no less..
 
'eoMMan said:
He's a very nice sleeper play today. :thumbup:
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If Jones is out, and after going 8/133 last week, dunno 'bout "sleeper" ... but ... if indeed Finnegan is covering him, as earlier poster opined, think all of us taking the plunge with Douglas gotta temper expectations just a tad, no? :confused:
 
I did not see last week's game but HG's numbers were okay. This week I think he will post decent numbers against the Vikes suspect secondary. The only problem is if the Falcs. get a big early lead, there will be less pass attempts. Still thinking 4/57 with a 35% chance for a TD.

 
As a Falcons fan I continue to have high hopes for Douglas but I'm not sure what to expect of him. I think his numbers from the New Orleans game are an anomaly. Those stats came in hurry up mode playing from behind. In fact, most came in one series IIRC.

 
Was it last year that Douglas came in and did pretty well for Julio or Roddy or was it the year before?

Any possibilities here?

I always thought Harry had some talent, no JJ of course but he could do some damage.

 
Can Harry Douglas become a legit WR2-WR3, assuming Julio Jones is out for a lengthy period of time?

As bad as the Falcons may be playing right now, they still have Matt Ryan, and they still have that offense. Seems like a WR2 in that offense is going to get numbers.

 
Dan Reeves spoke about Harry Douglas, it was not good. This was b4 Julio Jones was drafted, basically said he is not a frontline WR or starter, more of a 3rd or 4th in multi-WR sets.

It was some time ago but it always stuck in my head when I think about even looking at Douglas.

 
kOOk said:
lmao @ banking on some dan reeves comment years ago.
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U r a major league doosh on this site. There is nothing that comes out of those keys or fingers that is not a put down or some bullspit remark, regardless of the poster in here.

Dan Reeves made those comments as a game analyst after he left the team while working preseason games for Atlanta, it wasn't years and years ago, whether he does or not currently I'm not sure. For you to laugh at a credible source who coached Denver into 3 Super Bowls and had success coaching in the NFL for years, to sit there and try to put me down or Dan Reeves shows an absolute lack of knowledge about the history of the game and absolutely no respect for other posters in the SP and exhibiting a total lack of class including bumping threads to try and shame an OP when you offer nothing prior to any games, just cowardly posts after the fact.

I rarely take the time to answer imbeciles like you but since you are trying so hard to get noticed on my tip for some reason, we'll speed up your process to the ignore function.

Cheers

 
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sorry. no reason to go ballistic i just don't go by what some old blind coach thinks he saw. especially when the situation is totally different now but thats just me. i am biased can't stand reeves or the broncos. no need to get all personal either and then make false accusations minister. i usually like what you have to say don't get so offended when someone questions it. sorry.

 
i ####### hate it when people bump a thread that is literally years old, especially when their post has nothing whatsoever to do with the OP.

i especially like the part where my time is wasted wondering wtf people are talking about. falcons-titans this week? they're on bye. and they don't even play the titans this year. oh #### me, that post is from ####### 2011. what the hell.

:wall:

 
LOL. This site is the best. People ##### when someone creates a 2nd thread on a player and say 'use the search function'. This guy uses the search function and gets #####ed at for bumping an old thread on Harry Douglas.

You can't make this #### up.

Anyway, Douglas is starting in 2 weeks and Davis too Probably. White is 50-50 to come back in 2 weeks.

I believe the info from 2 years ago is pertinent to the discussion as it talks about how he may produce in a starting role.

 
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lod01 said:
LOL. This site is the best. People ##### when someone creates a 2nd thread on a player and say 'use the search function'. This guy uses the search function and gets #####ed at for bumping an old thread on Harry Douglas.

You can't make this #### up.

Anyway, Douglas is starting in 2 weeks and Davis too Probably. White is 50-50 to come back in 2 weeks.

I believe the info from 2 years ago is pertinent to the discussion as it talks about how he may produce in a starting role.
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:goodposting:

 
Julio represented 27.1% of Ryan's completions, 35.3% of Ryan's yards, 20% of Ryan's TDs. Can't replace that.

— Dave Richard
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ATL is leading the NFL in passing attempts and a bottom third run team. The targets have to go somewhere. Julio was averaging 12 targets a game. Harry is in line for no less than 3-4 more looks a game. White and Gonzo are going to get the doubles, I like Harry's outlook personally.

 
lod01 said:
LOL. This site is the best. People ##### when someone creates a 2nd thread on a player and say 'use the search function'. This guy uses the search function and gets #####ed at for bumping an old thread on Harry Douglas.

You can't make this #### up.

Anyway, Douglas is starting in 2 weeks and Davis too Probably. White is 50-50 to come back in 2 weeks.

I believe the info from 2 years ago is pertinent to the discussion as it talks about how he may produce in a starting role.
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I actually prefer when posters drudge up the old thread, as it gives me some history and perspective. Have we gone down this path before? What can be learned from that situation? How did Douglas perform on that occasion? Based on what we have observed in the past, is Harry Douglas likely to be a WR2? Flex? Not worth an add?

I have not yet spent much time analyzing all of this, but prior to my free agent bid deadline tonight, those are the factors I will be weighing when deciding how much of my budget to consider.

 
someone correct me if im wrong, but i went back and checked his games where he played a majority of snaps not in the slot, and he hasnt done anything in those games.

 
He's just not a great player. He might put up yards one week then you'll get 16 yards the next 3. Not worth the hassle for me.

 
Ministry of Pain said:
ldizzle said:
someone correct me if im wrong, but i went back and checked his games where he played a majority of snaps not in the slot, and he hasnt done anything in those games.
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Exactly, and good stuff Diz
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here is a list according to pff.

tgts/rec/yds

2011

week 05 5/2/16

week 06 4/2/57

week 07 7/4/62

week 11 4/4/51

2012

week 03 2/2/13

week 10 7/4/49

week 11 6/5/48

week 16 2/2/6

so likely he will see more targets. maybe 6-8 in a given week now that julio is out. so maybe 4-5 catches and 50 -65 yds and he is not a rz threat. ive seen weird things happen, but the #'s dont lie...

 
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steelerfan1 said:
you would have to think there will be more targets for the RB position, no?
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I like this, and I agree that Quizz form here on out is a solid flex, regardless of SJax. I don't think Atlanta will abuse him when he gets healthy but they are going to need both Jackson and Quizz in the short passing game with Julio gone and White 50/50 at the moment.

 
If not Douglas, then who's up next? What do we know about the other options?

I said in the Julio thread that Levine Toilolo could be used more in two-TE sets.

Past that...

Drew Davis, 6'1" 204lbs from Oregon, 2nd year

Kevin Cone, 6'2" 216lbs from Georgia Tech, 3rd year

 
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ldizzle said:
Ministry of Pain said:
ldizzle said:
someone correct me if im wrong, but i went back and checked his games where he played a majority of snaps not in the slot, and he hasnt done anything in those games.
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Exactly, and good stuff Diz
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here is a list according to pff.

tgts/rec/yds

2011

week 05 5/2/16

week 06 4/2/57

week 07 7/4/62

week 11 4/4/51

2012

week 03 2/2/13

week 10 7/4/49

week 11 6/5/48

week 16 2/2/6

so likely he will see more targets. maybe 6-8 in a given week now that julio is out. so maybe 4-5 catches and 50 -65 yds and he is not a rz threat. ive seen weird things happen, but the #'s dont lie...
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Nice digging for those stats, and I don't think your numbers are that far off. I'll take the high end though. I think 5-65 is a good starting point. He is already averaging around 3-43 a game with Jones in the lineup.

ATL isn't the same team it was in 2011/12. Ryan is averaging close to 8 more attempts and 70 more passing yards per game than in 2011. ATLs D isn't stopping anyone, so there is a lot more catchup ball this year.

Until I see the Roddy White of old, I'm going to be skeptical of him making a huge jump into WR1 type numbers. Douglas isn't a great football player by any means, but the opportunity is there.

 
I definitely think he's worth rostering but he's also clearly a middling talent. Volume alone should buoy his floor although his ceiling will leave much to be desired.

I'm actually quite curious in Davis and Cone now. Does anyone have any info on them?

 
lod01 said:
LOL. This site is the best. People ##### when someone creates a 2nd thread on a player and say 'use the search function'. This guy uses the search function and gets #####ed at for bumping an old thread on Harry Douglas.

You can't make this #### up.

Anyway, Douglas is starting in 2 weeks and Davis too Probably. White is 50-50 to come back in 2 weeks.

I believe the info from 2 years ago is pertinent to the discussion as it talks about how he may produce in a starting role.
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gosh, i wonder if there's a happy medium between spamming redundant threads and bumping obsolete ones (which is tantamount to spamming, really). there are more options than just the extremes, ya know.

and if you really find thinly-disguised WDIS questions from two seasons ago to be 'pertinent info', then that seems to be the best use of the search function.

 
socrates said:
I actually prefer when posters drudge up the old thread, as it gives me some history and perspective. Have we gone down this path before? What can be learned from that situation? How did Douglas perform on that occasion? Based on what we have observed in the past, is Harry Douglas likely to be a WR2? Flex? Not worth an add?

I have not yet spent much time analyzing all of this, but prior to my free agent bid deadline tonight, those are the factors I will be weighing when deciding how much of my budget to consider.
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how did any of the posts from 2011 in this thread help answer those questions?

serious question. maybe i'm missing something.

 
Philogelos said:
i ####### hate it when people bump a thread that is literally years old, especially when their post has nothing whatsoever to do with the OP.

i especially like the part where my time is wasted wondering wtf people are talking about. falcons-titans this week? they're on bye. and they don't even play the titans this year. oh #### me, that post is from ####### 2011. what the hell.
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:lmao:

I almost went off to figure out wth happened to Alex Smith and why I hadn't heard anything about it.

 
Philogelos said:
gosh, i wonder if there's a happy medium between spamming redundant threads and bumping obsolete ones (which is tantamount to spamming, really). there are more options than just the extremes, ya know.
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Maybe making a new thread, if there isn't one on the first two pages, and linking to any/all old threads in the OP?

 
People are really getting wild in this thread lol. Douglas won't turn your 0-5 team around, but let's be realistic.. He does have value. I confidently used my number 11 waiver priority on a guy with a above average quarterback, that's most likely now taking 100% of the offensive snaps in a team most likely now playing from behind. Considering he's now probably most owners WR4-WR5, that was had for next to nothing.. that's a score. I can't see him as anything less then a flex option with WR3 potential from here on out.

 
Mikey16x said:
People are really getting wild in this thread lol. Douglas won't turn your 0-5 team around, but let's be realistic.. He does have value. I confidently used my number 11 waiver priority on a guy with a above average quarterback, that's most likely now taking 100% of the offensive snaps in a team most likely now playing from behind. Considering he's now probably most owners WR4-WR5, that was had for next to nothing.. that's a score. I can't see him as anything less then a flex option with WR3 potential from here on out.
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Great post, maybe you're right.

 
Philogelos said:
socrates said:
I actually prefer when posters drudge up the old thread, as it gives me some history and perspective. Have we gone down this path before? What can be learned from that situation? How did Douglas perform on that occasion? Based on what we have observed in the past, is Harry Douglas likely to be a WR2? Flex? Not worth an add?

I have not yet spent much time analyzing all of this, but prior to my free agent bid deadline tonight, those are the factors I will be weighing when deciding how much of my budget to consider.
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how did any of the posts from 2011 in this thread help answer those questions?

serious question. maybe i'm missing something.
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The earlier posts in the thread did not specifically answer most of those questions, but it revealed that the same line of thinking was in place two seasons ago, and digging a little deeper, I think we find that Douglas did not live up to the expectations of those who ponied up free agent dollars or waiver wire priority back in 2011.

George Santayana said that "those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." Harry Douglas was fool's gold before. Let us not make the same folly in 2013 by overspending on him.

Douglas is undoubtedly worth an add in most leagues, as he will almost certainly have an increased role. While there have no doubt been circumstances where a similar player has stepped up big despite earlier failing to meet heightened expectations, I think the more realistic line here is that Douglas is going to get numbers in the neighborhood of 4-5 catches a week for 50-80 yards, and a rare score. That is nothing to sneeze at, and it may help your team, especially with the injuries and bye weeks which we must now traverse.

 
SteelerMurf said:
Bumping this thread was a waste
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Not nearly as much as your post. TYVM

They will continue to throw. The defense is porous. There will be an above-average number of passes thrown by a very good NFL QB.

Douglas is no stud, but he will get opportunities without question.

 
In a semi deep dynasty I'm debating about using #1 priority for him. A guy that you can put into your starting lineup every week is hardly ever available. He just offers no dynasty upside.

 
Raiderfan32904 said:
Anyone the least concerned that the Falcons are going to sign Brian Robiskie tonight according to NFL sources on twitter?
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Pretty sure they did already and absolutely not. Robiskie has been on 4 teams in his career already. Jacksonville cut him. There's not much anyone can say to top that.

 
can/will this guy step up and provide PPR value the rest of the way?

I will be rolling him out there and hoping for the best

 
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