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Harvin / Berrian Value (1 Viewer)
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bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
tons of talk on this already in 4 threads
And Also Rice isnt done, he will be back his season
And Also Rice isnt done, he will be back his season
Right, but I am hearing he is out for at least half, which gives another guy time to establish himself as a go-to man.
Based on the talk in other threads, I think people are really undervaluing Harvin. Yes the migraines may/will be a potential issue, but I think playing as a starter instead of a slot guy will provide enough action for Harvin to be a low end WR1. I'd rather have Harvin than guys like Colston or Boldin and could easily see him outproducing guys like Marshall and Jennings.
Harvin is a freakish talent, one of the 10 best talents at WR in the NFL. I think this is the opening he needed and I don't think he'll ever look back. Once Rice gets healthy, I think he'll be battling Berrian(might not be much of a battle) for a starting spot.
Harvin is a freakish talent, one of the 10 best talents at WR in the NFL. I think this is the opening he needed and I don't think he'll ever look back. Once Rice gets healthy, I think he'll be battling Berrian(might not be much of a battle) for a starting spot.
footballnerd
Footballguy
With Harvin's migraine issues and Rice being out, will they pull Percy from returning kicks?
Its possible, though I kinda doubt it. I'm not sure they like any of their other return guys that much. Maybe Jaymar Johnson, but he got hurt and may be out for a while. If Reynaud makes the team, he could be the return guy, but he's no lock to make the team and I doubt they'll use an extra spot just for a returner as that isn't Chilly's tyle.I'd say the chances Harvin still returns kicks are at about 70%.
Shutout
Footballguy
Outproducing Jennings and Marhsall may be lofty expectations but I generally agree with Harvin's outlook. He is a guy that can cause all kinds of problems in various positions so, assuming his own health holds up, he could be a real asset, especially in a PPR.
steelcityman
Footballguy
Can/will you take Harvin high considering his current conditions? He is out there in our league(after keepers), but I am afraid to take him and have him miss every other week with headaches.
Are we really crowning Percy Harvin a top 10 WR ??!?!!!! I could easily think of ten that have more talent.Randy MossAndre JohnsonCalvin JohnsonBrandon MarshallDesean JacksonRoddy WhiteMiles AustinReggie WayneLarry FitzgeraldPercy Harvin ?!?!So he is more talented then : Sidney Rice, Marque Colston, Wes Welker, Steve Smith (CAR), Vincent Jackson, Dez Bryant, Greg Jennings, Anquan Boldin ?and what happens when Favre retires next year ? I would assume his stat line would suffer with Tjax under center.
I remember when we used to say these things about Peter Warrick...
footballnerd
Footballguy
If his health holds up the guy will be THE BEAST in return leagues.
Deuce'sWild
Footballguy
FWIW,
I bumped up Berrian to: 70 catches 990 yds 7 tds (he had 964 and 7 tds with CRAP throwing him the ball in Chicago)
And for Harvin: 75 catches 920 yds 8 tds 160 rushing 0 tds
I bumped up Berrian to: 70 catches 990 yds 7 tds (he had 964 and 7 tds with CRAP throwing him the ball in Chicago)
And for Harvin: 75 catches 920 yds 8 tds 160 rushing 0 tds
az_prof
Footballguy
Harvin is no Peter Warrick. He is a talented receiver with freakish athletic ability--Warrick was just really fast.That being said, I am very concerned about the migraines. He did miss time last season because of them and it has already affected him this preseason. As a Viking fan, I am very worried about the Vikings as they really don't have anything after Berrian and Harvin. Schiancoe might be a guy who would benefit tbh.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
Its a concern but this has been an issue with him since he was a boy. Not like this is a new thing.
Winky the tunnel ferret
Footballguy
Other possibilities:
The Vikings will struggle. Rice's yards don't have to go anywhere...they might simply vanish.
Shiancoe gets a big bump.
ADP runs the crap out of the ball and/or gets more receptions.
Walker (HA!) or another wr steps up and gains fantasy relevance.
The Vikings will struggle. Rice's yards don't have to go anywhere...they might simply vanish.
Shiancoe gets a big bump.
ADP runs the crap out of the ball and/or gets more receptions.
Walker (HA!) or another wr steps up and gains fantasy relevance.
I don't see any reason he can't have double digit scores. Hell, he had 8 last year. 5 of which came in the last 6 games before he got hurt.I don't think his size will prevent him from being a redzone weapon, he's quick enough to beat guys off the line on slants and he's strong enough to outmuscle guys for the ball. In a lot of ways Harvin is a shorter, faster Anquan Boldin, but his upside is higher than Boldin's ever was in my opinion...and yes I realize Boldin was the #1 overall WR in PPG once upon a time.
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Iraqi Information Minister
Footballguy
Harvin has bulked up a bit from last year. It's one of the most surprising things to come out of Vikings camp (not many surprises).
I would expect him to be a more physical player than last year and hope is doesn't affect his quicks.
I would expect him to be a more physical player than last year and hope is doesn't affect his quicks.
You are correct...in fact, he was a "freakish talent", oh wait, that is Harvin...same thing, different decade.
I agree. Thought I'd see more love for BB in this thread. I'm not saying he's a studly wr by any means but going from '09 with injuries and heavy competition to 2010 healthy and little in front of him is a world of difference. Add a pretty low price for this opportunity and how can you not snag him late?
When you consider ADP (not the RB, but the draft position), Berrian is the gold here...Harvin and his migranes are the stinky bait.
I'd feel comfortable taking Harvin about 30-40 players into a redraft, and I can't imagine he wouldn't fall further in most drafts. It might be a risk with his migraines, but the potential reward seems well worth it to me. If possible though, I'd want him as my WR2.
Berrian is well worth a flier and while its just him and Harvin I think Berrian will be a top-30 WR and make a fine WR3. I do think that once Rice comes back, Berrian's numbers will drop the most though. But for where he was being drafted(probably a lot higher now) he was an outstanding value.
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wickster33
Footballguy
He only missed 1 game in his rookie season. Granted, it was often a nightmare since he was a game-time decision. As bad as migranes can be, his back shoulders and legs are fine.
gump
Footballguy
Warrick had ball-bearing hips that allowed him to change direction without losing speed...that's what made him such a success in college. He had no real burst though to separate from NFL defenders.Harvin has both the hips and the burst.
Iraqi Information Minister
Footballguy
Exactly.
Now I am intrigued...WTF are "ball-bearing" hips and could that really be the difference between an also-ran and the next generation of wide receiver?
Iraqi Information Minister
Footballguy
Warrick was super agile but not necessarily quick or fast. Harvin is all three.There really isn't much of a comparison between the two.
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az_prof
Footballguy
I watched Peter Warrick play and I have watched Harvin play. Harvin is a difference maker and a special talent; Warrick was not a talented receiver. You will need to do a lot more to convince me that they are comparable players.
steelcityman
Footballguy
So in a keeper leaguer, PPR, and the top 10 WRs are off the board, Welker, Harvin and Ward along with 85 and S Smith(Car) seem to be the best out there. I have Moss, so Welker is out, would Harvin top your list of remaining WRs? I dont mean to hi jack the thread and turn it into something it is not. It really comes down to Harvin being a top WR this year.here is a list of remainingsPercy Harvin, MINSteve Smith, CARHines Ward, PITDwayne Bowe, KCHakeem Nicks, NYGJeremy Maclin, PHIMike Sims-Walker, JACChad Ochocinco, CIN
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Chicago Hooligan
Footballguy
Harvin better in PPR, Berrian otherwise. Would take either as high as the 7th round in a 12-team league.
Both had similar rookie numbers (although Harvin had a HOF QB) and Warrick was more accomplished and thought to be the better pro at the time they were drafted, respectively. Every time I hear the words, "dynamic" or "versitile" when describing a WR, i shut down. I don't want MY wide receiver to do a lot of things; I want him to catch a lot of balls, be able to excel in double coverage (be able to get off the line to get in double cooverage), have stick'em for hands, be able to jump like a Mo'Fo and have a nose for the end zone...of course very few have all those skills, but when someone comes at me with "special talent" as a selling point, I think Troy Williamson. Give me some metrics...
RalphMouth
Footballguy
My how we quickly forget-
Berrian caight 9 balls out of 12 targets for 102 yards in the NFC Championship game against New Orleans in January.
I think he will fill in fine.
Berrian caight 9 balls out of 12 targets for 102 yards in the NFC Championship game against New Orleans in January.
I think he will fill in fine.
Iraqi Information Minister
Footballguy
I think you're quite strange.
gump
Footballguy
Harvin had 925 total yards and 8 tds (15 games). Warrick had 640 total yards and 6 tds (16 games). 3+ fantasy pts more per game.
Warrick had 592 yards receiving, 148 yards rushing, for a total of 740, not 640. Warrick also had a punt return TD, to get him to 7 total TDs (I am guessing the six you accounted for were 4 receiving, 2 rushing)...again, pretty similar; especially when you consider one caught balls from Akili Smith and Scott Mitchell...they totaled 6 passing Tds for the year as a tandem, which Warrick grabbed 66% of. In fact, could you elaborate as to why "Wonderkind Harvin" only caught 6 Tds when his QB put up 33 of them last year. The "dynamic" part seems to leave me wanting.
gump
Footballguy
You're right...misread his stats.I'm not arguing with you that Harvin is a guaranteed stud WR. I'm just saying Harvin was a better pro prospect because of his burst...something Warrick never had. That burst is a difference-maker between the two at this level. Not sure why the draft fell out like it did for each...I think Harvin is one of the best college players I've ever seen. Warrick was David Palmer v2.
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loose circuits
Footballguy
Because of the headaches he's somewhere around Bowe, Nicks, MSW, and Maclin. A little concerned cause it seems we never know when they are gonna sprout up and they seem like he goes through pain
montana_grizzly_bears
Footballguy
Do the Vikings go out and give up the 2nd or whatever for VJackson at this point or stick with Berrian/walker?
1a. Smith1b. Harvin(dropoff)The rest
Fantaholic
Footballguy
Shiancoe
jurb26
Footballguy
mozzy84
Footballguy
nothing has changed since last year, its the same deal, no reason to bump him down this time around.
Babu Bhatt2
Footballguy
I would place Steve Smith and Hines Ward on a higher tier than Harvin. After those two go, then maybe you consider Harvin.
I grabbed Harvin yesterday as my WR3 in a PPR in round 5. Bowe, MSW and Maclin were still out there from this list. (MSW has a injury history and not much of a QB)
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Willie Mays Hayes
Footballguy
I'm amazed at how much the migraines have spooked everyone on Harvin's potential. This is not new news...he's dealt with migraine issues for more than a decade. The recent hospitalization was not due entirely to migraines; I guess that word hasn't trickled out to the mainstream fantasy world. I expect Harvin to play the whole season; maybe with a game missed due to gametime migraine issues. Those who draft Berrian over Harvin thinking him to be the primary benefactor will be sorry.
BuckeyeArt
Footballguy
What was it for?
http://www.gatorsports.com/article/2010082...ed-to-migraines"Sugarman, who along with team doctors tended to Harvin and also called 911, is confident the Vikings know why Harvin collapsed and how to prevent it from happening again. Issues that led to Harvin being unresponsive might have included an adverse reaction to medication, dehydration and blood pressure that went too low."
BuckeyeArt
Footballguy
Thanks.It's interesting they say they're confident but then follow it up with a 'might'.
