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Harvin to Bills/ Formerly the Harvin to Hawks & Jets (2 Viewers)
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Andre Brown just proved this theorem wrong last week. just because he hasn't played in a while doesn't mean you can't play him
Long Ball Larry
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Bob Magaw
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mad sweeney
Footballguy
Can't find the link right now, but Harvin apparently had a tumor removed and his appendix out during his recovery time from the ankle injury in MN. Presumably before the training camp injury in Seattle.
Bob Magaw
Footballguy
guess this just came out recently, hadn't heard it... fortunately it was a benign tumor.
http://tracking.si.com/2013/11/17/percy-harvin-tumor-removed-appendectomy-injury/
http://tracking.si.com/2013/11/17/percy-harvin-tumor-removed-appendectomy-injury/
SS MagicMark
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19 snaps for Harvin (including the returns) in his season debut.
I didn't watch the game, but started him in two leagues (losing Julio, Blackmon and Wayne opens up starting spots). Not happy with the results, but should be able to survive the decision anyway. How did he look? I saw something about him being open a lot in the game thread, so was he out of sync with Wilson or just not getting that many snaps? If he didn't have any setbacks, I would think with the bye, he should be back to normal week 13.
McGarnicle
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsFdMi_ZKOYCan't find the kickoff return online but it went for 58 yards. How often is a kickoff returned at all anymore, and how often is it for more than 25 or 30 yards?
He couldn't have looked much better in limited action.
Bob Magaw
Footballguy
he nearly broke the return for a TD, maybe if he wasn't knocking the rust off, he shakes the last defender/s...his one reception was a spectacular one handed catch...
don't know if he was open a lot on his other snaps, good question...
with the bye and two weeks of conditioning and preparation, hopefully big things are in store, soon.
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biju
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He was open on a few other routes, but in at least two cases there was a better option that goes for more yardage. What struck me as interesting was the catch he did have he actually wasn't "really" open. Wilson threw it up where he could get it and hoped he could make a play. Obviously he did and I think that is the big difference between what Harvin has typically had before (a "see it, throw it" QB) and what Russell brings to the table...anticipation and trust.
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
He outscored Hankerson...my other option. I win Bobby.
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
ImTheScientist
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Im shocked you had that stock answer of how great you are doing all cued up.
[fletch] god I admire you[/fletch]
Wasn't the Seattle OC the Minny OC when Harvin was in Minny? If so, seems like the offense should suit him just fine.
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packersfan
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I'm not sure why people think the Seahawks need to change their offense significantly in order for Harvin to be a high-impact fantasy producer. He came from a team that also had a run-first mentality with a dominant RB. So he's used to putting up production in that situation. The big difference now is he has an actual QB throwing him the ball and not guys like a washed up Donovan McNabb or Christian Ponder.
I'll also reiterate that the Seahawks didn't pay what they did for Harvin not to take advantage of his talent. Seattle doesn't need to throw Harvin the ball 15 times a game for him to help both the Seahawks and fantasy owners in significant fashion.That's especially true in leagues which reward players for individual special teams scores. If Harvin is going to keep returning kicks (and Carroll has said he will) that's a huge boost for Harvin's value in those leagues.
I'll also reiterate that the Seahawks didn't pay what they did for Harvin not to take advantage of his talent. Seattle doesn't need to throw Harvin the ball 15 times a game for him to help both the Seahawks and fantasy owners in significant fashion.That's especially true in leagues which reward players for individual special teams scores. If Harvin is going to keep returning kicks (and Carroll has said he will) that's a huge boost for Harvin's value in those leagues.
Bob Magaw
Footballguy
that is extremely helpful to mention the context two days AFTER you recommended a player (who got one reception, when there were signs snaps would be severely curtailed), on the basis of touting yourself... "I am the official voice of the Seattle Seahawks on the FBG's forums."He outscored Hankerson...my other option. I win Bobby.
didn't you state in one of the threads you were starting harvin with confidence... two or three weeks ago...
how did that work out for you, and the people who followed the advice of the "official voice of the seahawks."
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ImTheScientist
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Bob, Im only human. It doesn't yet say staff under my name so I would hope too many were not swayed my me choice to start Harvin over Hankerson.that is extremely helpful to mention the context two days AFTER you recommended a player (who got one reception, when there were signs snaps would be severely curtailed), on the basis of touting yourself... "I am the official voice of the Seattle Seahawks on the FBG's forums."He outscored Hankerson...my other option. I win Bobby.
didn't you state in one of the threads you were starting harvin with confidence... two or three weeks ago...
packersfan
Footballguy
If someone told you weeks ago that Harvin would score the same number of points in PPR as A.J. Green in Week 11 how thrilled would you have been?
Bob Magaw
Footballguy
understood, ITS...Bob, Im only human. It doesn't yet say staff under my name so I would hope too many were not swayed my me choice to start Harvin over Hankerson.that is extremely helpful to mention the context two days AFTER you recommended a player (who got one reception, when there were signs snaps would be severely curtailed), on the basis of touting yourself... "I am the official voice of the Seattle Seahawks on the FBG's forums."He outscored Hankerson...my other option. I win Bobby.
didn't you state in one of the threads you were starting harvin with confidence... two or three weeks ago...
of course people should always take responsibility for their ultimate decisions.
i started harvin in a league for similar reason to you (no better option), and didn't start him in another because of the limited snap count rumblings, and conflicting information/reports. but in the former case, it was far from a case of starting with confidence.
not too many posters tout themselves as the official voice of their respective team (in the actual profile/quote section)... there is nothing wrong with it... you could mean it seriously, or as a joke, or a little of both... you do SEEM to be passionate about your team, and to take your knowledge of the team and being "wired in" seriously, to some extent.
if you do mean the self quote at least partly seriously as a reliable disseminator of team-related information and a conduit of insider news (which is a great and appreciated service for the many that provide it on the boards for their respective teams), than it might be helpful to provide context when you make a call.
only you know if by stating starting with confidence the intended meaning was the conventional and customary one, that you were hopeful of a good game in his first one back, despite questions, and it was meant generally, for others, too... OR, you were dubious and skeptical, but less so than with your only other option, in a sense specific to your team and within the context of your options.
especially if it was the latter sense, it would be helpful to disclose that, because i'm guessing most would commonly interpret it in the former sense or meaning.
maybe it was just a bad call, it happens.
because your information is usually good, and you do seem generally pretty wired in to the team (and though of course everybody should keep their own consul when it comes to starting decisions), it is possible your helpful suggestions might have some sphere of influence (no idea how much)... i was surprised to see the starting with confidence statement 2-3 weeks ago, because i'm not as wired in to SEA, though I try to follow the NFC West out of habit, and i thought the consensus was there was a lot of uncertainty/doubt about his expected availability at that time... than again, i think that was a more obvious situation unlikely to trip up many, I was just surprised to see the call when it happened a few weeks ago.
SaintsInDome2006
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Absolutely, they will be using him fully, he'll be in the backfield too. I bet at least 6-8 targets and at least one carry.
My question is who does he take away from? Lynch, Tate, Baldwin?
ImTheScientist
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Baldwin/Kearse and the TE's. Tate will still get his and Lynch his.SaintsInDome2006 said:
Probably helps all of them (not sure how much better Lynch can get though). Baldwin probably loses some snaps. But this offense isn't close to its potential. If this goes like theyre hoping theyll just be getting a lot more first downs, running more plays. The percentages dont matter if everybody can get fed.SaintsInDome2006 said:
False Start
Footballguy
6-8 Targets for the price they paid and waited for? He moves into the #1 WR role and will get many screens and some carries. Other than Lynch he has to be a top redzone option too.SaintsInDome2006 said:
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
As the guy above you mentioned....he really opens everything else up for the other players. You pay for that.
MCguidance
Footballguy
There might be a bigger pie to slice up if the defense takes a hit with the absence of Browner, no?
packersfan
Footballguy
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
Browner is/was highly overrated. By far the weak link of the L.O.B. Im not too concerned about him being out. If it were ET or Sherman I would worry.
As I type this, I realize I am overthinking this. But, as a Harvin owner and a guy in the playoffs week 14 and hopefully beyond, the best case scenario is a New Orleans victory. I want the Hawks to need to win and thus to give Harvin opportunities to make plays and win games, instead of monitoring his healthy for the NFL playoffs.
The upside is, Seattle is going to pull out all the stops to win home field advantage, its huge for them. This game against NO is huge since its also the tie-breaker. So yeah, everybody ought to cheer for the Saints.
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
To be fair the game is far more important to the Saints. Hawks are a better road team than the saints, they also hold a larger lead within their own division. This is a must win for the Saints.
False Start
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It is a game they want to win it is not a must win. Spoken clearly like a Seahawk fan.
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
Carolina breathin down your neck should make you nervous.It is a game they want to win it is not a must win. Spoken clearly like a Seahawk fan.
cstu
Footballguy
They play the Panthers twice in the next 4 weeks, the Saints is hardly a must win. Sounds like someone is already setting up excuses.Carolina breathin down your neck should make you nervous.It is a game they want to win it is not a must win. Spoken clearly like a Seahawk fan.
LawFitz
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HUGE game this week. This matchup could ultimately determine the NFC Superbowl representative.
I imagine if Harvin truly is healthy, then the reins will be off and beast will be unleashed. Somebody look up a healthy Harvin's targets in Minny. Discount the number some due to QB efficiency, but bump the production per target by some amount also.
I imagine if Harvin truly is healthy, then the reins will be off and beast will be unleashed. Somebody look up a healthy Harvin's targets in Minny. Discount the number some due to QB efficiency, but bump the production per target by some amount also.
Bud
Footballguy
2012
Week 1 - 6 / 84 yds (8 targets) 0 TD, 5 rush / 20 yds
Week 2 - 12/104 yds(13 targets) 0 TD 2 rush / 13 yds
Week 3 - 9 / 89 yds (11 targets) 0 TD 1 rush / 9 yds
Week 4 - 3 / 22 yds (6 targets) 0 TD 3 rush /12 yds
Week 5 - 8 / 108 yds (10 targets) 1 TD 2 rush / 8 yds 1 TD
Week 6 - 11 / 133 yds (14 targets) 0 TD 2 rush / 1 yd
Week 7 - 4 / 37 yds (5 targets) 1 TD 2 rush / 10 yds
Week 8 - 7 / 90 yds (12 targets) 1 TD 1 rush / -1 yds
Week 9 - 2 / 10 yds (6 targets) 4 rush / 24 yds
Week 1 - 6 / 84 yds (8 targets) 0 TD, 5 rush / 20 yds
Week 2 - 12/104 yds(13 targets) 0 TD 2 rush / 13 yds
Week 3 - 9 / 89 yds (11 targets) 0 TD 1 rush / 9 yds
Week 4 - 3 / 22 yds (6 targets) 0 TD 3 rush /12 yds
Week 5 - 8 / 108 yds (10 targets) 1 TD 2 rush / 8 yds 1 TD
Week 6 - 11 / 133 yds (14 targets) 0 TD 2 rush / 1 yd
Week 7 - 4 / 37 yds (5 targets) 1 TD 2 rush / 10 yds
Week 8 - 7 / 90 yds (12 targets) 1 TD 1 rush / -1 yds
Week 9 - 2 / 10 yds (6 targets) 4 rush / 24 yds
Thanks for posting. This was a lot less consistent than l would have guessed. He may not get the rushing attempts in seattle. I hope l dont get elininated by sitting him and just watching monday night with great interest but good luck to anyone else who held him. Hopefully you get rewarded for your patience.
Long Ball Larry
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Held out of practice yesterday, FWIW.
http://espn.go.com/blog/seattle-seahawks/post/_/id/2306/carroll-says-harvin-is-day-to-day
http://espn.go.com/blog/seattle-seahawks/post/_/id/2306/carroll-says-harvin-is-day-to-day
