cstu
Footballguy
The Jets with Harvin on the roster are $35 million under the cap. They are also likely to release Chris Johnson for a savings of $3.5M.
They want Geno to develop and they're going into next year with Decker and...??
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Harvin to Bills/ Formerly the Harvin to Hawks & Jets (1 Viewer)
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They want Geno to develop and they're going into next year with Decker and...??
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Fariq
Footballguy
Kerley was resigned. Amaro has potential as a good pass catching tight end. If Harvin goes away, the Jets will likely pursue a WR in free agency. Also, they will possibly draft one with one of their first two picks.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
He'd have to take a major pay cut. No way the Jets pay him 10.5 million this season.
It's remarkable that a team with no other offensive weapons and a huge amount of cap space even considers cutting a talent like Harvin instead of designing schemes to get him the ball.
pizzatyme
Footballguy
In fairness, the Seahawks did so already. Maybe there's just something not that great about Harvin??
Perhaps. But it's one thing for a team that can win with its defense like Seattle to part with a player. With the Jets there is no clear path to winning games and playmakers give you that chance. Harvin has shown that playmaker ability when he's properly deployed.In fairness, the Seahawks did so already. Maybe there's just something not that great about Harvin??
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
Please please please please please
cstu
Footballguy
Reaper
Footballguy
That's just it.... Jets don't just let him go without having a backup plan....
I go back and forth but, the 4th round pick they have to give up makes me lean against paying him 10 million if he doesn't restructure. Just saw Bloom tweet that Harvin may have to settle for a show-me 1 year 3 mill deal on the market!!!!!!! Huh???
You pay a guy 10 mill plus a 4th rounder who commands 3 mill / 1 yr on the market? Granted that seems low.
On 1 hand the Jets have the money and the need - on the other hand, do you ever see yourself locking up decent money long term to him? So, it's questionable wether this is a rental or a guy you are building something around.
I'd spend that 10 mill plus a decent amount more on one of these top FA WR's.... Jets also will have an opportunity to pick one of the top Wr's in the draft plus decent WR value will be at the top of round 2.
Yes, the Jets need a top weapon in front of Amaro, Decker, Kerely - But, 10 mill + 4th round??
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Kiddnets
Footballguy
Harvin in full bluff mode IMO - keeps floating he wont restructure - that's BS...if market is offering $4-$5M per year and Jets are offering $6M then he'll be back...and if not then he never wanted to be there.....Jets may have to cut him and let him set the market but I dont buy his hard line position....no way should the Jets pay $10M per yr for this guy. Add in a 4th rder vs a 6th and its really a no brainer IMO unless he agrees to a much better deal.
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Carter_Can_Fly
Footballguy
I am not so sure that Harvin owners need to panic if Harvin stays with the Jets. I am one who firmly believes that he will be quite dynamic if he stays. Hear me out. Chan Gailey the Jets new offensive coordinator had a great run fantasy wise for Ryan Fitzpatrick, Stevie Johnson, Spiller, and FJax. Gailey's run in Buffalo from 2010-2012 had Stevie Johnson putting up nice numbers:
2010 Stevie Johnson: 82 receptions, 1073 yards and 10 tds. Had 141 targets
2011 Stevie Johnson: 76 receptions, 1004 yards, and 7 td's. Had 134 targets
2012 Stevie Johnson: 79 receptions, 1046 yards, and 6 tds. Had 148 targets.
Since Gailey left, Stevie has not had more then 597 yards and 3tds and is onto a new team and looking like a sub par to crappy WR.
Spiller looked like one of the most gifted rb's in the game in 2012 with 1700 combined yards and 8 tds.
I happen to think Geno Smith has way more skills than Fitzpatrick ever had. I also think Harvin is a much more dynamic threat than Stevie Johnson. I think Gailey is/was gifted at utilizing his weapons and getting the most out of his players on offense. As far as fantasy goes, I happen to think Harvin with Gailey in play is a going to be very good. I think Gailey will find a way to get Harvin 130 plus targets if he stays with the Jets. Now a lot will have to do with Harvin's ability to stay healthy which is a major concern and has hindered his career so far. But I am remaining quite optimistic if Harvin is with the Jets.
Also in 2008 Gailey as the O coordinator with the Chiefs was able to get Thigpen to throw for 18 tds in only 11 games started. Bowe in only his second year in the league had 86 receptions 1022 yards and 7 tds. More importantly he had 157 targets. Gailey tries to get his best players the ball. Bowe has never caught more balls or had more targets to this day as he did when he had Gailey running his O. Also Thigpen looked respectable and we all know how bad he is.
2010 Stevie Johnson: 82 receptions, 1073 yards and 10 tds. Had 141 targets
2011 Stevie Johnson: 76 receptions, 1004 yards, and 7 td's. Had 134 targets
2012 Stevie Johnson: 79 receptions, 1046 yards, and 6 tds. Had 148 targets.
Since Gailey left, Stevie has not had more then 597 yards and 3tds and is onto a new team and looking like a sub par to crappy WR.
Spiller looked like one of the most gifted rb's in the game in 2012 with 1700 combined yards and 8 tds.
I happen to think Geno Smith has way more skills than Fitzpatrick ever had. I also think Harvin is a much more dynamic threat than Stevie Johnson. I think Gailey is/was gifted at utilizing his weapons and getting the most out of his players on offense. As far as fantasy goes, I happen to think Harvin with Gailey in play is a going to be very good. I think Gailey will find a way to get Harvin 130 plus targets if he stays with the Jets. Now a lot will have to do with Harvin's ability to stay healthy which is a major concern and has hindered his career so far. But I am remaining quite optimistic if Harvin is with the Jets.
Also in 2008 Gailey as the O coordinator with the Chiefs was able to get Thigpen to throw for 18 tds in only 11 games started. Bowe in only his second year in the league had 86 receptions 1022 yards and 7 tds. More importantly he had 157 targets. Gailey tries to get his best players the ball. Bowe has never caught more balls or had more targets to this day as he did when he had Gailey running his O. Also Thigpen looked respectable and we all know how bad he is.
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He might not be. He may want a change of scenery. I don't know him , but he has made a decent amount the past couple years, so maybe he is willing to take a little less to have say Tom Brady as his QB instead of Geno Smith. Honestly, long term earnings wise, that would be a good investment. Take a one year deal like Maclin did and have a good year in a good passing offense (not Geno or a rookie) and get a big contract the year after. Taking a 1 year 6M contract with the Jets could cause him to have a crappy 2016+ deal versus a 1 year 4M contract with the Patriots, etc.
cstu
Footballguy
I don't think Harvin is bluffing. He made over $20M the past two years and money probably isn't his number one concern. He'd play for the Jets again for $10.5M but if he's asked to play for market value he'd likely rather play somewhere with a better chance to win.
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Kiddnets
Footballguy
Good points - if thats the case I would cut him - he's not worth $10.5M and a higher draft pick -If he would take that much less per year from another team then I wouldnt want him on the Jets anyway. He was shaky at best for the Jets and again couldnt stay healthy.stbugs said:
No way as the Jets would I pay him $10 + a 4th. If he was spectacular last year, maybe, but he wasn't. My point is only around him taking a pay cut with the Jets. His long term $$$ could be better if he goes to a better passing team even if it is not at the highest offer. Honestly, the Jets aren't in a win now situation, so I'd rather pay $10M per year on a WR in 2016 or 2017 when Geno/the rookie is better and have it be someone like Cobb or Nelson, rather than Harvin (who I liked before 2014).
cstu
Footballguy
jurb26
Footballguy
This reaks of an agent generated report. Highly doubt Green Bay would have interest. They don't use a lot of 4 wr formations.
I can't help but think that meant Harvin to Green bay as a backup plan if they couldn't get Cobb signed.
I wonder if you can add the Eagles to that list now that Maclin is gone?
Also, while it may be a tough fit cap wise, Belichick has been a Harvin fan since his Gators days.
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cstu
Footballguy
He was creative and got Revis so I could see him figuring out a way to sign Harvin for a year.
AngryPatriot
Footballguy
Interesting.... but Revis first....
SacramentoBob
Footballguy
Eagles would've been a good spot for him.
Interesting. Rex must have seen something he liked last season. I would think a trio of skill guys of McCoy, Watkins and Harvin would create some pretty big plays for Buffalo.
cstu
Footballguy
Warpig
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