Has Marc Bulger lost it? (1 Viewer)

[Dirty Weasel]

Injury history aside, we are talking about one of the top FF QB's over the past 5 years. Is it time to cut ties with him? He still has Holt to throw to, along with Bennett and Bruce. Holt is only 31 years old, Bruce is an aging 35, and Bennett is a middle-of-the-road 29 years old. At 31 years old, he seems to have quite a bit of mileage on him. If you weren't comfortable with him as your QB1, who would you be looking at (besides Manning and Brady, of course)? He would make a killer QB2, that's for sure, but his value as a QB1 has plummeted.

 

[Buckfast]

He doesn't have Bruce anymore. Bruce signed with the 49ers. Not that I think that has a huge impact on his value, but it hurts somewhat.

 

[foxco]

Plus that O line does not seem conducive to keeping a QB off his back.

 

[TheWick]

It all depends on the O-Line. They can't be as hurt as they were last year...can they? If all healthy his value goes up significantly.

 

[Banger]

I'll be targetting him in all drafts.

 

[Pipes]

He's still easily a top 10 QB in redraft meaning he's a starter for sure in fantasy. I hope people underrate him so I can steal him in my leagues.

 

[H.K.]

He's still easily a top 10 QB in redraft meaning he's a starter for sure in fantasy. I hope people underrate him so I can steal him in my leagues.

Interesting to compare these QB averages from the past five years...Bulger 2008 WSL ADP: 8Starts in last five seasons: 65Number of times played all 16 games: 1Average Yards Passing/Season: 3,359 (254 per start)Average TD Passes/Season: 18.4 (1.4 per start)Average INT/Season: 13.6 (1.0 per start)Hasselbeck 2008 WSL ADP: 9Starts in last five seasons 74Number of times played all 16 games: 3Average Yards Passing/Season: 3,418 (231 per start)Average TD Passes/Season: 23.6 (1.6 per start)Average INT/Season: 13.2 (0.9 per start)Delhomme2008 WSL ADP: 16Starts in last five seasons: 64Number of times played all 16 games: 3Average Yards Passing/Season: 2,791 (218 per start)Average TD Passes/Season: 19.4 (1.5 per start)Average INT/Season: 11.8 (0.9 per start)I don't get the Bulger love....Hasselbeck has been more dependable and a better performer, yet he gets drafted after Bulger. Also, despite Bulger throwing for thirty yards a game more than Delhomme, when you compare the TD/INT numbers, those extra yards aren't going to gain you much, if any, FF advantage over Jake.

 

[Sweet Love]

I like that you threw Delhomme in the comparison. I view him as a someone you can get after the Top 10-12 QBs are selected and he could easily outperform some of those guys, namely Bulger. I am wavering on Bulger a lot and would not feel comfortable as my starting QB unless I had him coupled with a guy like Delhomme.

 

[H.K.]

I like that you threw Delhomme in the comparison. I view him as a someone you can get after the Top 10-12 QBs are selected and he could easily outperform some of those guys, namely Bulger. I am wavering on Bulger a lot and would not feel comfortable as my starting QB unless I had him coupled with a guy like Delhomme.

It's an interesting comparison:Here are their career rushing numbers:Bulger in 72 Games has 237 yards and 8 TD's (Back in '03 and '04, Bulger ran for a combined seven TD's, but hasn't rushed for a score in three years)Delhomme in 70 Games has 249 yards and 5 TD'sCareer passing comparisonBulger in 72 games has a 7.5 YPA, 106 TD's to 74 Int's on 2484 attemptsDelhomme in 70 games has a 7.2 YPA, 100 TD's and 64 Int's on 2020 attempts

 

[sholditch]

Bulger has always been a yardage beast. If the Rams get Jake Long I like him a lot better this year.

 

[TheFanatic]

Bulger has always been a yardage beast. If the Rams get Jake Long I like him a lot better this year.

That's not the only thing they need. More importantly than having Jake Long is having a healthy line. Pace has played in like 3 games since signing the big contract. Last year they were pulling guys off the street to play line. That just can't happen. If they have a healthy line (with or without Long) Bulger will will be top 10 again.

 

[Routilla]

Bulger's going around 10th at the QB position. He has a great playoff schedule, @AZ and then home vs SEA and SF. Not bad but the OL has to at least be average.

 

[Jason Wood]

Bulger's going around 10th at the QB position. He has a great playoff schedule, @AZ and then home vs SEA and SF. Not bad but the OL has to at least be average.

I wouldn't touch Bulger at his current ADP with a 10-foot pole.

 

[eric rymer]

I'd agree with you in redraft. I picked him up midseason, but only because I got tremedous value for him and his upside outweighed what I paid to get him. I still think he can be very productive, but it's only worth it if the price is right.

 

[biggamer3]

Plus they drafted some real solid WR's this year

he is my target for late QB ala Favre last year

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

I'll be targetting him in all drafts.

BTW H.K. i've been doing tons of mocks and most of them have hasslebeck going before him. at this point tho, both are targets of mine

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Bulger's going around 10th at the QB position. He has a great playoff schedule, @AZ and then home vs SEA and SF. Not bad but the OL has to at least be average.

I wouldn't touch Bulger at his current ADP with a 10-foot pole.

really Jason? why? his current ADP makes him a great deal.

 

[ThePittbully]

I got him at QB15

 

[barista]

He's garbage this year which is why I'm not picking a QB until round 9.

 

[TheFanatic]

It all depends on the O-Line. They can't be as hurt as they were last year...can they? If all healthy his value goes up significantly.

That's the way I see it. If the line performs then Bulger is going to be fantastic. If the trot out guys to line up out there that were washing cars for a living the week prior then Bulger and the Rams are in for a LONGGGGGG season....

 

[Duke1948]

Bulger's going around 10th at the QB position. He has a great playoff schedule, @AZ and then home vs SEA and SF. Not bad but the OL has to at least be average.

1st off he has got to make it to week 14 and then i'm not so sure that Az and Sea will be that big of a push-over.

 

[Jello_Biafra]

Last year, his preseason rank was in the top 5. His O-line was decimated by injuries, and he got hurt. Sometimes I think people look at the previous season and assume the same exact things will happen. I thought he was ranked too high last year, and now he's ranked too low. I'd look to him to put up QB8-10 numbers. How do you think Brady would have done behind that line?

 

[Bri]

Last year, his preseason rank was in the top 5. His O-line was decimated by injuries, and he got hurt. Sometimes I think people look at the previous season and assume the same exact things will happen. I thought he was ranked too high last year, and now he's ranked too low. I'd look to him to put up QB8-10 numbers. How do you think Brady would have done behind that line?

Getting a Guard from the Titans will be a big solidifying lift/new addition.Barron is hot and cold and probably drives them nuts but they drafted some competition for him.Pace should be fine, gotta be a welcome sight.Holt has to be the star, not sure the others can get it done if they're not working off all the attention he could get.

 

[Bob Magaw]

i'm expecting better protection this season, barring another tidal wave of injuries...

if so, imo he doesn't have a lot of downside at QB10, & could have upside... if garrard is avail at around same ADP, he may have less downside & greater upside, so i would probably target him first...

 

[ThePittbully]

i'm expecting better protection this season, barring another tidal wave of injuries...if so, imo he doesn't have a lot of downside at QB10, & could have upside... if garrard is avail at around same ADP, he may have less downside & greater upside, so i would probably target him first...

I totally agree with this. As late as Garrard and Bulger are being drafted they both offer very little downside and lots of value. In a draft that just ended Sunday I took them back to back in rounds 9 and 10 as QB12 and QB15, Garrard being 12.

 

[H.K.]

I'll be targetting him in all drafts.

BTW H.K. i've been doing tons of mocks and most of them have hasslebeck going before him.

at this point tho, both are targets of mine

Yep. At the time WSL was all I referenced as an indicator. Here is the latest FBG ADP consensus taken from six sources, so its much more realistic:66 Matt Hasselbeck QB 9

76 Eli Manning QB 10

79 Jay Cutler QB 11

80 Marc Bulger QB 12

90 David Garrard QB 13

102 Philip Rivers QB 14

108 Matt Schaub QB 15

109 Jake Delhomme QB 16

QB 12 now....going in the 7th round of 12 team leagues.

 

[Sweet Love]

I'll be targetting him in all drafts.

BTW H.K. i've been doing tons of mocks and most of them have hasslebeck going before him.

at this point tho, both are targets of mine

Yep. At the time WSL was all I referenced as an indicator. Here is the latest FBG ADP consensus taken from six sources, so its much more realistic:66 Matt Hasselbeck QB 9

76 Eli Manning QB 10

79 Jay Cutler QB 11

80 Marc Bulger QB 12

90 David Garrard QB 13

102 Philip Rivers QB 14

108 Matt Schaub QB 15

109 Jake Delhomme QB 16

QB 12 now....going in the 7th round of 12 team leagues.

And in a 12 team league, you can hedge your bets, do not draft a QB until everyone has their starter (barring someone else does not grab their QB2 ahead of your first QB pick) and walk away with a two-punch combo of either Bulger, Garrard, or Delhomme. I don't see much downside to having any combo of the three.

 

[BigRed]

Little downside? What are some of you smoking? Look at his numbers year by year, esp # games played and TD/INT ratio. I see a whopping one big year (06) and one pretty good (04 - big yds but low TDs; also missed a couple games).

I MIGHT take him as a flyer as my backup, but my starter better be someone like Brady or Manning (ie highly dependable).

 

[fantasyplayer]

Little downside? What are some of you smoking? Look at his numbers year by year, esp # games played and TD/INT ratio. I see a whopping one big year (06) and one pretty good (04 - big yds but low TDs; also missed a couple games).

I MIGHT take him as a flyer as my backup, but my starter better be someone like Brady or Manning (ie highly dependable).

Does it really matter who your backup is if your starter is Peyton Manning?

 

[Banger]

I'll be targetting him in all drafts.

BTW H.K. i've been doing tons of mocks and most of them have hasslebeck going before him.

at this point tho, both are targets of mine

Yep. At the time WSL was all I referenced as an indicator. Here is the latest FBG ADP consensus taken from six sources, so its much more realistic:66 Matt Hasselbeck QB 9

76 Eli Manning QB 10

79 Jay Cutler QB 11

80 Marc Bulger QB 12

90 David Garrard QB 13

102 Philip Rivers QB 14

108 Matt Schaub QB 15

109 Jake Delhomme QB 16

QB 12 now....going in the 7th round of 12 team leagues.

And in a 12 team league, you can hedge your bets, do not draft a QB until everyone has their starter (barring someone else does not grab their QB2 ahead of your first QB pick) and walk away with a two-punch combo of either Bulger, Garrard, or Delhomme. I don't see much downside to having any combo of the three.

I was thinking the same thing. Let everyone else grab their QB's and then try and snag Cutler/Garrard/Bulger. You should end up with a nice tandem.

 

[TheFanatic]

Little downside? What are some of you smoking? Look at his numbers year by year, esp # games played and TD/INT ratio. I see a whopping one big year (06) and one pretty good (04 - big yds but low TDs; also missed a couple games).

I MIGHT take him as a flyer as my backup, but my starter better be someone like Brady or Manning (ie highly dependable).

Does it really matter who your backup is if your starter is Peyton Manning?

No kidding. Really going out on a limb here....I have Peyton Manning in my main contract league. His backup right now is Vick!?!?! I'm gonna wind up with some schlub from KC/NYJ/Buf/Mia/Balt as the backup to Manning and I really don't care...

 

[slayer666]

Bulger's going around 10th at the QB position. He has a great playoff schedule, @AZ and then home vs SEA and SF. Not bad but the OL has to at least be average.

I wouldn't touch Bulger at his current ADP with a 10-foot pole.

Over the past four years, Bulger has missed 14 starts and been limited in several other games due to injuries. He has missed substantial time in three of the past six seasons. No way I select him as a starter, and given his current ADP, I can't secure him as a backup. Doubtful he will be on any of my rosters in 2008.

 

[dapunisher]

i'm expecting better protection this season, barring another tidal wave of injuries...if so, imo he doesn't have a lot of downside at QB10, & could have upside... if garrard is avail at around same ADP, he may have less downside & greater upside, so i would probably target him first...

I totally agree with this. As late as Garrard and Bulger are being drafted they both offer very little downside and lots of value. In a draft that just ended Sunday I took them back to back in rounds 9 and 10 as QB12 and QB15, Garrard being 12.

I think you'll like that comination PB. I think that Garrard, Bulger or Delhomme all have the potential to put up QB1 production at QB2 prices. Depending on how your draft plays out, having these guys available in the later rounds just might allow you to stockpile quality at RB or WR when other guys are grabbing their QB1's.

 

[northern exposure]

The improvement (hopefully) of the O-line has to help Bulger as does Al Saunders becoming the OC. However the loss of Bruce and the tough schedule in 2008(they play the NFC East and AFC East) won't help him much at all. I don't think I have the guts to pick him up as a QB1 , but I'll probably grab him as a QB2.

 

[joffer]

i don't know about Bulger, but Drew Bennett seems really underrated right now