Has Reid "tied his horse" to Kevin Kolb? (1 Viewer)

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1. He lets Donovan McNabb go to a division rival to give Kevin Kolb a shot

2. Kevin Kolb struggles and looks very poor in pre-season, training camp and game 1.

3. Michael Vick looks fantastic in the 2nd half of game 1 and in game 2.

In going with Kolb, I think it's quite possible that this is a decision that could cost Reid his job. If Kolb fails miserably, not only is Reid going to take a major amount of heat over letting Donovan go, but now he has a QB on HIS OWN ROSTER, that he would be benching for Kolb.

I think it takes alot of guts for Reid to keep Kolb as the starter, and that tell me either:

A) He has no worries regarding his job security

or

B) He is very confident in Kolb

Either way, it's a gutsy decision, and despite the fact that I don't agree with it, I respect it. Now let's see if he's right.

Because if he's wrong, and if Kolb stinks up the joint, and then Vick leaves in the off-season.....Reid might be going with him.

 

[Jason Wood]

He had no worries about his job AND he has confidence in Kevin Kolb.

That said, I do think if Kolb really struggles this year Andy may decide (not b/c he's fired) to pursue other opportunities if they're available.

 

[thehornet]

somewhat, yes. I think if Kolb really struggles over the next few weeks, then Andy will easily make the switch.

 

[Insein]

I have an idea for a Kolb/Vick topic. If I ask the same question in a slightly different way, that deserves a new thread right?

 

[shader]

I have an idea for a Kolb/Vick topic. If I ask the same question in a slightly different way, that deserves a new thread right?

This thread is about Reid and his longterm prognosis, but thanks for your valuable contribution as a forum policeman.

 

[DoubleG]

I have an idea for a Kolb/Vick topic. If I ask the same question in a slightly different way, that deserves a new thread right?

This thread is about Reid and his longterm prognosis, but thanks for your valuable contribution as a forum policeman who just joined a few months back.

and FYP.In regards to the OP (which, for the comprehension impaired has more to do with Reid than Vick/Kolb):

I think this will be Reid's last year with the Eagles one way or the other.

IMHO, he'll either go down with sinking ship of Kolb or stick with the hot hand in Vick and ride it into the playoffs - possibly (Philly's defense still isn't impressing me much). Either way, I'd have to venture a guess that the Eagles have an early playoff exit (if they do indeed make it - again I'm not buying what their defense is selling). Whatever the case, the situation will leave Philly, it's fans and Reid a little frustrated.

The only way he stays in Philly is if several things happen - 1) He does go back to Kolb as soon as he is cleared AND Kolb works out his early season funk and take the team to the NFC title game (at least) - anything less, or any other way Reid handles it, will likely lead to him leaving.

Ironically, this is similar to the Bears situation, without the QB controversy (i.e. anything less than at least an NFC title game gets everybody in Chi-town unhired.) I guess the only way these two cities will be happy is if the NFC title game features Chicago against the Eagles. I'm guessing the Saints and Packers would have something to say about that though...

 

[Insein]

I have an idea for a Kolb/Vick topic. If I ask the same question in a slightly different way, that deserves a new thread right?

This thread is about Reid and his longterm prognosis, but thanks for your valuable contribution as a forum policeman.

Oh I'm sorry. We haven't discussed this exact topic ad nauseum in 2 other threads. I guess another to hash it out will be productive.

 

[CrossEyed]

The obvious answer is that Reid is a racist.

 

[thehornet]

I have an idea for a Kolb/Vick topic. If I ask the same question in a slightly different way, that deserves a new thread right?

This thread is about Reid and his longterm prognosis, but thanks for your valuable contribution as a forum policeman.

Oh I'm sorry. We haven't discussed this exact topic ad nauseum in 2 other threads. I guess another to hash it out will be productive.

then head out

 

[ponchsox]

Reid's job is to win and coach the team for success. He has to play the players who can execute. If he thinks that is Kevin Kolb, then he should play him. If Kolb becomes a detriment to the team, he needs to play Vick. I don't buy this idea that Kolb has to play no matter what. Every player in the NFL has to perform in order to keep their job.

 

[Clifford]

Bloggers are already slamming this decision, putting more pressure on Kolb and Reid to prove themselves right. And let's remember this is Philly. Kolb was getting booed in his first game of the season.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_...?urn=nfl-270843

I just wonder about Reid's motivation with this borderline-irrational devotion to Kolb. I see three possibilities for his unwavering Kolb love:

1) Training camp and practices have clearly demonstrated that Kolb is better than Vick, and Reid legitimately believes that Kolb gives the team the best chance to win;

2) After sticking his neck out for Kolb this offseason when he traded Donovan McNabb(notes), Reid really feels like he needs to prove he was right and justify that decision; or

3) The old unwritten rule about a how a player can't lose his job to injury.

The first possibility would be the only acceptable one. If Reid is thinking about the second or third, it's garbage. Giving the Philadelphia Eagles the best chance to win football games is the only acceptable motivation here.

I have never seen anything from Kevin Kolb(notes), in real, live game action, that can match what Michael Vick's done in the last two games. It's never happened. Of all the games in which Kolb's had significant playing time, he's been very good just once. Admittedly, it's not a large sample size, but there it is.

Vick, with the last two games being the only two in which he's had substantial playing time, has shined in both of them. In six quarters, he's thrown for 459 yards, three touchdowns, no interceptions, and has rushed 18 times for 140 yards.

Those are Pro Bowl numbers. You don't bench Pro Bowl numbers, unless you have someone on the bench who can put up even better numbers, and if Kevin Kolb can do that, he's been hiding that ability pretty well

 

[ponchsox]

The ultimate question is, what kind of performance from Kolb would be considered "acceptable" to Andy Reid?

 

[Amused to Death]

Andy Reid is aware of the notion that many fans think Michael Vick gives the Eagles the best chance to win right now at quarterback. He doesn’t really care.

“I can’t please everybody,” he said. “I know that. I’m here to make the decision that is right for the team … I think it’s a beautiful situation. I’ve got two quarterbacks that can play and a third young one that I think down the road here will be a good one at a very important position … I’m a happy guy. There are a lot of teams that don’t have good quarterbacks. I think we can win with both guys.”

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles..._situation.html

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Reid is 108-67-1 in the NFC East over the past 11 years, good for a 62% winning percentage. Wins an avg of close to 10 a year in one of the tougher divisions.

4 straight NFC Championship appearances and 1 trip to the Super Bowl...he would be hired in an instant if he were fired from Philly.

 

[Gr00vus]

Reid is botching this QB decision almost as badly as the OP botched their usage of a cliche.

Hopefully he doesn't exacerbate things by feeding the hand that bites him.

 

[Jason Wood]

Reid is 108-67-1 in the NFC East over the past 11 years, good for a 62% winning percentage. Wins an avg of close to 10 a year in one of the tougher divisions. 4 straight NFC Championship appearances and 1 trip to the Super Bowl...he would be hired in an instant if he were fired from Philly.

Absolutely. But he's not going to be fired. I do think there's a decent chance he leaves, but only because he gets an opportunity elsewhere and wants a new challenge.

 

[bweiser]

Reid is 108-67-1 in the NFC East over the past 11 years, good for a 62% winning percentage. Wins an avg of close to 10 a year in one of the tougher divisions. 4 straight NFC Championship appearances and 1 trip to the Super Bowl...he would be hired in an instant if he were fired from Philly.

Absolutely. But he's not going to be fired. I do think there's a decent chance he leaves, but only because he gets an opportunity elsewhere and wants a new challenge.

I think Kevin Kolb is the new challenge.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Reid is 108-67-1 in the NFC East over the past 11 years, good for a 62% winning percentage. Wins an avg of close to 10 a year in one of the tougher divisions. 4 straight NFC Championship appearances and 1 trip to the Super Bowl...he would be hired in an instant if he were fired from Philly.

Absolutely. But he's not going to be fired. I do think there's a decent chance he leaves, but only because he gets an opportunity elsewhere and wants a new challenge.

I think Kevin Kolb is the new challenge.

I agree with that. Reid has it too good here and Laurie will give him at the VERY least through 2011 before they consider firing him.

 

[Adebisi]

Bloggers are already slamming this decision

That's why bloggers are bloggers and Andy Reid is a successful NFL head coach.

 

[Saint]

Reid is no more tied to Kolb than he was to McNabb. This is the same old story in Philly. Reid is going to see what he has in Kolb. Vick looked good, no disagreement, but Reid is going with Kolb as the starter. If he struggles, then I am sure Reid will consider a change.

I don't get why everyone is having a hard time with this issue. This has been Reid's stance since he has been with the Eagles. When Donovan was out and Aj Feeley went 6-1 with great stats, he had the same line. This is nothing new. Vick had two good games, one against GB (who prepared for Kolb) and one against Detroit. I can't believe he is being compared to a pro bowler after two games. Come on people, Reid is a professional NFL coach who knows what he is doing, he is not trying to pick the QB that wins his fantasy team. He is trying to prepare his QB of the future to continue the Eagles strength in the NFC East and the only way to do that is to get his QB in the game.

 

[Clifford]

he did say he was going to use Vick more going forward, so I think Kolb is likely to struggle. Reid is kinda already straddling the fence by saying that. If he really wanted Kolb to succeed he'd let him play all the snaps and get in a rhythm. So I think if he plays Vick more as he's said, Vick starting is almost assured, unless Kolb can deal with that weird situation.

 

[JetMaxx]

Bloggers are already slamming this decision

That's why bloggers are bloggers and Andy Reid is a successful NFL head coach.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

he did say he was going to use Vick more going forward, so I think Kolb is likely to struggle. Reid is kinda already straddling the fence by saying that. If he really wanted Kolb to succeed he'd let him play all the snaps and get in a rhythm. So I think if he plays Vick more as he's said, Vick starting is almost assured, unless Kolb can deal with that weird situation.

The weird situation started last year....Vick playing isn't new. He was on the field for their first snap of 2010.

 

[tim_whatley]

Vick is just better.

 

[davearm]

Bloggers are already slamming this decision

That's why bloggers are bloggers and Andy Reid is a successful NFL head coach.

indeed.For every one play even hardcore Eagles fans have seen Kolb play in an NFL game, Andy Reid has seen hours of him on tape, in practices, OTAs, etc.Reid is in an infinitely better position to make this evaluation, just based on exposure alone. And that's to say nothing of his superior ability to judge QB talent in the first place.

 

[simmonjm]

Vick is just better.

Based on what? The 2.5 games that Kolb has played in?

 

[Jason Wood]

Reid is 108-67-1 in the NFC East over the past 11 years, good for a 62% winning percentage. Wins an avg of close to 10 a year in one of the tougher divisions. 4 straight NFC Championship appearances and 1 trip to the Super Bowl...he would be hired in an instant if he were fired from Philly.

Absolutely. But he's not going to be fired. I do think there's a decent chance he leaves, but only because he gets an opportunity elsewhere and wants a new challenge.

I think Kevin Kolb is the new challenge.

To elaborate, I think the most likely outcome is Reid stays on and eyes another season of contention in 2011. But if we're talking about possible outcomes, if Kolb plays poorly and the Eagles struggle this year, I think he'll potentially move on. But not because Lurie wants him gone, but because Reid has decided he doesn't want to slog through a true rebuilding process and no longer believes in Kolb.

 

[Domination]

I do believe that Andy will stand behind Kolb, the same as he did for McNabb for many years. I also don't think he is going anywhere, anytime soon.

As far as Vick & Kolb, their situations are quite similar. Ironically enough, it is getting alot of the same reaction.

Kolb put up great stats playing from behind vs Saints, and dominated a bad Chiefs team.

Vick put up good stats playing from behind vs Packers, and dominated a bad Lions team.

Vick brings back great memories of Cunningham & a young McNabb, as duel threat QBs. But his skills as an actual QB, are average. Kolb seems to be the better fit for this offense to run the way it's supposed to, but I still haven't seen that he can. While there is no question that Vick is the superior athlete & talent, I would like to see if Kolb can run the offense that Andy has "wanted" to run, and see what we have. I could be very wrong, & wouldn't be too surprised, because I am not a Reid supporter. But if Kolb running this offense means a more balanced attack, which only seems to happen w/ lesser QBs, than I am all for it. Hopefully he can use his supposed accuracy to find the open reciever across the middle, instead of at his feet.

 

[Adebisi]

...I am not a Reid supporter.

Jesus. Do you Eagles fans appreciate anyone?

 

[delusional]

...I am not a Reid supporter.

Jesus. Do you Eagles fans appreciate anyone?

Its not that he is a BAD coach, it is just how stubborn the guy is when it comes to the game. The "smarter then everyone else" attitude he has with game planning, draft strategy, etc. The fans have been seeing year in year out. This wouldnt be bad except these are his major flaws, to the point it hurts the team.

For example, vs Oakland last year. Instead of running the ball against one of the worse run defenses in the league...he passed the ball some what? 40+ times. The years of hearing "we are fine at that position" while trotting our Reggie Brown, Todd Pinkston, Freddie Mitchell.

Instead of trying to go around over or under obstacles, he stays steadfast in stubborn mode and trys to go through problems.

 

[FUBAR]

Reid is no more tied to Kolb than he was to McNabb. This is the same old story in Philly. Reid is going to see what he has in Kolb. Vick looked good, no disagreement, but Reid is going with Kolb as the starter. If he struggles, then I am sure Reid will consider a change.

I don't get why everyone is having a hard time with this issue. This has been Reid's stance since he has been with the Eagles. When Donovan was out and Aj Feeley went 6-1 with great stats, he had the same line. This is nothing new. Vick had two good games, one against GB (who prepared for Kolb) and one against Detroit. I can't believe he is being compared to a pro bowler after two games. Come on people, Reid is a professional NFL coach who knows what he is doing, he is not trying to pick the QB that wins his fantasy team. He is trying to prepare his QB of the future to continue the Eagles strength in the NFC East and the only way to do that is to get his QB in the game.

Would you believe we'd compare him to a pro bowler after 3 seasons as a pro bowler?

 

[FUBAR]

...I am not a Reid supporter.

Jesus. Do you Eagles fans appreciate anyone?

Its not that he is a BAD coach, it is just how stubborn the guy is when it comes to the game. The "smarter then everyone else" attitude he has with game planning, draft strategy, etc. The fans have been seeing year in year out. This wouldnt be bad except these are his major flaws, to the point it hurts the team.

For example, vs Oakland last year. Instead of running the ball against one of the worse run defenses in the league...he passed the ball some what? 40+ times. The years of hearing "we are fine at that position" while trotting our Reggie Brown, Todd Pinkston, Freddie Mitchell.

Instead of trying to go around over or under obstacles, he stays steadfast in stubborn mode and trys to go through problems.

Probably because he's shown he can. He has the 3rd best record of current coaches, 26th best ever. Better than Bill Walsh, Tom Landry, Chuck Noll, Mike Ditka, etc. He has 2 seasons under .500, one of which was his first, in the other he lost McNabb for half the year and Westbrook for 4 games. I'm all for questioning the establishment but sometimes you have to defer to the guy who has shown, time and time again, he knows what he's doing.

That said, I personally would roll with Vick as I do think the Eagles could head to the Super Bowl with him, but Reid has earned support.

 

[Snotbubbles]

If the Eagles were concerned about winning it all this year they would have kept McNabb. The fact of the matter is this is a transition year for them so they can see what Kolb has. It is irrelevant to the FO and coaching staff that Mike Vick may win them more games this year then Kevin Kolb. Vick has no long term value to them, Kolb does. They want to see how much if any value Kolb has. They won't know this from 1 half of football.

 

[Bri]

Fair point about Reid's track record in coaching but we don't have a track record to go by with QB choices, he has been extremely fortunate as far as QB choices go and that does often equal success in the NFL and in one's career as an NFL coach.

I don't like benching the hot hand.

Be professional, these are men who should be more willing to accept/understand a coach's rationale than younger people. If Kolb's confidence and thus his career would be shattered well then I guess Reid doesn't have a choice.

They barely beat the Lions. That team and it's fans need to talk about more than the QB because there's bigger probs with the Eagles..

 

[Please See Mine]

...I am not a Reid supporter.

Jesus. Do you Eagles fans appreciate anyone?

Its not that he is a BAD coach, it is just how stubborn the guy is when it comes to the game. The "smarter then everyone else" attitude he has with game planning, draft strategy, etc. The fans have been seeing year in year out. This wouldnt be bad except these are his major flaws, to the point it hurts the team.

For example, vs Oakland last year. Instead of running the ball against one of the worse run defenses in the league...he passed the ball some what? 40+ times. The years of hearing "we are fine at that position" while trotting our Reggie Brown, Todd Pinkston, Freddie Mitchell.

Instead of trying to go around over or under obstacles, he stays steadfast in stubborn mode and trys to go through problems.

Probably because he's shown he can. He has the 3rd best record of current coaches, 26th best ever. Better than Bill Walsh, Tom Landry, Chuck Noll, Mike Ditka, etc. He has 2 seasons under .500, one of which was his first, in the other he lost McNabb for half the year and Westbrook for 4 games. I'm all for questioning the establishment but sometimes you have to defer to the guy who has shown, time and time again, he knows what he's doing.

That said, I personally would roll with Vick as I do think the Eagles could head to the Super Bowl with him, but Reid has earned support.

um, ok.

 

[Please See Mine]

Bloggers are already slamming this decision

That's why bloggers are bloggers and Andy Reid is a successful NFL head coach.

at the importance of bloggers slamming the decision in Reid's world.

 

[Please See Mine]

If the Eagles were concerned about winning it all this year they would have kept McNabb. The fact of the matter is this is a transition year for them so they can see what Kolb has. It is irrelevant to the FO and coaching staff that Mike Vick may win them more games this year then Kevin Kolb. Vick has no long term value to them, Kolb does. They want to see how much if any value Kolb has. They won't know this from 1 half of football.

I think that all of this made sense at the beginning of the year, however, Reid was very non-committal in the press conference yesterday, as mentioned above. I thought that it was very strange that he didn't flat out say "Kolb is our starting quarterback and Vick is our backup," especially after they made sure to get out the story about Kolb starting vs. Jax before this past Sunday's game. I''m having a hard time understanding that.And in that context, I'm not sure that the bolded is totally true. The way that Vick looks now, he certainly seems to have a few years left. I know that the Eagles "tied their horse" (wtf?) to Kolb, but if things went really badly this year and Vick somehow came in and played great later in the season, I'm not sure that they shouldn't consider going with sticking with Vick beyond this season. (am I really saying this?)

Things in the NFL are unbelievably fluid. What seemed like a stark truth a month ago can be a complete myth now. Just because the Eagles traded McNabb and used a roster spot on Kolb for 4 years doesn't mean that they have to stay with him forever. It is a sunk cost.

This is all very premature to even be speculating on now, but I'm just saying that you can't assume anything in the NFL when it comes to future roster spots/starting jobs based on things that occurred in the past.

 

[Hang 10]

Vick is just better.

Based on what? The 2.5 games that Kolb has played in?

It's safe to say that Vick is most definitely better until Kolb proves otherwise.

 

[shader]

Reid is no more tied to Kolb than he was to McNabb. This is the same old story in Philly. Reid is going to see what he has in Kolb. Vick looked good, no disagreement, but Reid is going with Kolb as the starter. If he struggles, then I am sure Reid will consider a change.I don't get why everyone is having a hard time with this issue. This has been Reid's stance since he has been with the Eagles. When Donovan was out and Aj Feeley went 6-1 with great stats, he had the same line. This is nothing new. Vick had two good games, one against GB (who prepared for Kolb) and one against Detroit. I can't believe he is being compared to a pro bowler after two games. Come on people, Reid is a professional NFL coach who knows what he is doing, he is not trying to pick the QB that wins his fantasy team. He is trying to prepare his QB of the future to continue the Eagles strength in the NFC East and the only way to do that is to get his QB in the game.

Uh........Vick has been a pro bowler multiple times in the past. He is a proven, successful NFL QB. Kolb is not.I get the decision, and i'm not criticizing it necessarily. I just think that Reid's future in Philly is being tied to Kolb, in my opinion. If Kolb flames out, I think Reid will be under immense heat from the fanbase and will decide to move elsewhere.

 

[Clifford]

he did say he was going to use Vick more going forward, so I think Kolb is likely to struggle. Reid is kinda already straddling the fence by saying that. If he really wanted Kolb to succeed he'd let him play all the snaps and get in a rhythm. So I think if he plays Vick more as he's said, Vick starting is almost assured, unless Kolb can deal with that weird situation.

The weird situation started last year....Vick playing isn't new. He was on the field for their first snap of 2010.

Right but that was McNabb who is already established and can handle it. Kolb seemed to let it affect him in game 1 before the concussion, and now Reid is saying Vick will play more than he did in that first half of the first game. I think that if you are trying to let Kolb build his confidence and get into a comfort zone as your starting QB, that's about the worst thing you could do. So despite the fact that this situation isn't new, it works against what Reid is claiming he is trying to do.Personally I think Reid already knows that Vick is the answer for this year, and he just needs a face-saving opportunity with Kolb. Pulling Kolb every third series will give him that.

 

[unckeyherb]

Reid is no more tied to Kolb than he was to McNabb. This is the same old story in Philly. Reid is going to see what he has in Kolb. Vick looked good, no disagreement, but Reid is going with Kolb as the starter. If he struggles, then I am sure Reid will consider a change.

I don't get why everyone is having a hard time with this issue. This has been Reid's stance since he has been with the Eagles. When Donovan was out and Aj Feeley went 6-1 with great stats, he had the same line. This is nothing new. Vick had two good games, one against GB (who prepared for Kolb) and one against Detroit. I can't believe he is being compared to a pro bowler after two games. Come on people, Reid is a professional NFL coach who knows what he is doing, he is not trying to pick the QB that wins his fantasy team. He is trying to prepare his QB of the future to continue the Eagles strength in the NFC East and the only way to do that is to get his QB in the game.

Saint gets it. Vick will not be with the Eagles next year; Kolb is the assumed future of this franchise. This year is for all intents and purposes is a year of practice for Kolb and his very young offense to all get used to playing together, with .500 being the expectation. If everything goes as expected (ie Kolb is the caliber QB that Reid and company believe he is) then the Birds will be in a position of strength in the the division and likely the conference for many years to come. I think everyone was willing to accept that prior to week one. Seeing Vick out there is certainly exciting to watch and I think that has blinded fans of the original point of this season.

 

[FUBAR]

...I am not a Reid supporter.

Jesus. Do you Eagles fans appreciate anyone?

Its not that he is a BAD coach, it is just how stubborn the guy is when it comes to the game. The "smarter then everyone else" attitude he has with game planning, draft strategy, etc. The fans have been seeing year in year out. This wouldnt be bad except these are his major flaws, to the point it hurts the team.

For example, vs Oakland last year. Instead of running the ball against one of the worse run defenses in the league...he passed the ball some what? 40+ times. The years of hearing "we are fine at that position" while trotting our Reggie Brown, Todd Pinkston, Freddie Mitchell.

Instead of trying to go around over or under obstacles, he stays steadfast in stubborn mode and trys to go through problems.

Probably because he's shown he can. He has the 3rd best record of current coaches, 26th best ever. Better than Bill Walsh, Tom Landry, Chuck Noll, Mike Ditka, etc. He has 2 seasons under .500, one of which was his first, in the other he lost McNabb for half the year and Westbrook for 4 games. I'm all for questioning the establishment but sometimes you have to defer to the guy who has shown, time and time again, he knows what he's doing.

That said, I personally would roll with Vick as I do think the Eagles could head to the Super Bowl with him, but Reid has earned support.

um, ok.

I'm not making stats up here guy.

 

[Pip's Invitation]

Reid is no more tied to Kolb than he was to McNabb. This is the same old story in Philly. Reid is going to see what he has in Kolb. Vick looked good, no disagreement, but Reid is going with Kolb as the starter. If he struggles, then I am sure Reid will consider a change.I don't get why everyone is having a hard time with this issue. This has been Reid's stance since he has been with the Eagles. When Donovan was out and Aj Feeley went 6-1 with great stats, he had the same line. This is nothing new. Vick had two good games, one against GB (who prepared for Kolb) and one against Detroit. I can't believe he is being compared to a pro bowler after two games. Come on people, Reid is a professional NFL coach who knows what he is doing, he is not trying to pick the QB that wins his fantasy team. He is trying to prepare his QB of the future to continue the Eagles strength in the NFC East and the only way to do that is to get his QB in the game.

Uh........Vick has been a pro bowler multiple times in the past. He is a proven, successful NFL QB. Kolb is not.I get the decision, and i'm not criticizing it necessarily. I just think that Reid's future in Philly is being tied to Kolb, in my opinion. If Kolb flames out, I think Reid will be under immense heat from the fanbase and will decide to move elsewhere.

Except that Reid has never cared what the fanbase thinks, and never will. Same with the powers that be in the front office.

 

[ponchsox]

Does Reid shuffle Vick in and out of the lineup against Jacksonville? I don't think he can really evaluate Kevin Kolb as a QB by doing this. Let him play the entire game, sink or swim.

 

[Amused to Death]

Reid is no more tied to Kolb than he was to McNabb. This is the same old story in Philly. Reid is going to see what he has in Kolb. Vick looked good, no disagreement, but Reid is going with Kolb as the starter. If he struggles, then I am sure Reid will consider a change.I don't get why everyone is having a hard time with this issue. This has been Reid's stance since he has been with the Eagles. When Donovan was out and Aj Feeley went 6-1 with great stats, he had the same line. This is nothing new. Vick had two good games, one against GB (who prepared for Kolb) and one against Detroit. I can't believe he is being compared to a pro bowler after two games. Come on people, Reid is a professional NFL coach who knows what he is doing, he is not trying to pick the QB that wins his fantasy team. He is trying to prepare his QB of the future to continue the Eagles strength in the NFC East and the only way to do that is to get his QB in the game.

Uh........Vick has been a pro bowler multiple times in the past. He is a proven, successful NFL QB. Kolb is not.I get the decision, and i'm not criticizing it necessarily. I just think that Reid's future in Philly is being tied to Kolb, in my opinion. If Kolb flames out, I think Reid will be under immense heat from the fanbase and will decide to move elsewhere.

Except that Reid has never cared what the fanbase thinks, and never will. Same with the powers that be in the front office.

Reid's been under fan and media pressure for 10 years to run the ball. How does he respond when the shouting gets the loudest? Passes even more. He'll certainly listen to fans and bloggers though on who his QB should be.

 

[Hang 10]

Why couldn't Vick be the eagles QB of the future? Because 30 is SOOOOO old?

 

[Amused to Death]

I also think all the QB talk has deflected a lot of criticism about why the defense allowed more than 30 points to Detroit's backup QB. The Vick/Kolb situation has covered up some of the team's other flaws. Vick at QB might guarantee nothing more then a 10-6 season followed by a first round exit from the playoffs. Great, then where do they find themselves for '11? Kolb, Kafka, and a bunch of ?????.

 

[Hang 10]

I also think all the QB talk has deflected a lot of criticism about why the defense allowed more than 30 points to Detroit's backup QB. The Vick/Kolb situation has covered up some of the team's other flaws. Vick at QB might guarantee nothing more then a 10-6 season followed by a first round exit from the playoffs. Great, then where do they find themselves for '11? Kolb, Kafka, and a bunch of ?????.

Again, why couldn't the eagles just resign Vick if he plays well? I just don't understand why people think Kolb has the higher ceiling here...Or what they're basing it on.

 

[Franknbeans]

that poor horse

 

[Amused to Death]

I also think all the QB talk has deflected a lot of criticism about why the defense allowed more than 30 points to Detroit's backup QB. The Vick/Kolb situation has covered up some of the team's other flaws. Vick at QB might guarantee nothing more then a 10-6 season followed by a first round exit from the playoffs. Great, then where do they find themselves for '11? Kolb, Kafka, and a bunch of ?????.

Again, why couldn't the eagles just resign Vick if he plays well? I just don't understand why people think Kolb has the higher ceiling here...Or what they're basing it on.

I'd say because Kolb has a 12 million dollar contract through next year and Vick will get a multi year deal at 10 mil per as a free agent. Would the Eagles just cut Kolb loose without ever giving him a legit shot?