Has the WW player of the year been discovered yet? (1 Viewer)

[Raiderfan32904]

moore 34 yards this week...is that supposed to be good? He won;t have another rushing td all year. You guys are crazy if you think he is the pickup of the year. How about the guy averaging 7 receptions and 80 yards per game and is now the #1 on his team....NW.

Tell us all why he won’t have another rushing TD this year? Did you even see that run? It was all Moore’s open field running and especially the goal line ball control to stretch for the TD. He makes splash plays regularly like that. It’s also important to note that it put the Raiders up for good late in the game and killed the Jets momentum. You think the Raiders won’t go back to that bag of tricks with a playmaker like Moore? You must have some magic crystal ball to see these things. But more likely, you haven’t been watching Moore actually play. Why should we be impressed with a 4/34 receiving stat line? (you may ask) Consider that he caused 4 PI penalties on his opposing CB Cromartie. If Moore was not interfered with, he’d have had 8/100+ and a strong possibility of a TD or two. He’s gone against a couple of good CB’s, guys with big egos that tout themselves as “shutdown” corners in McKelvin and Cromartie, and basically dressed them down. Against McKelvin 5/146/1, (nuff said). And Cromartie basically #### his pants trying to cover him, so much so that he needed to interfere to stop him. Had he played it straight, he’d have been posterized for huge stats just like McKelvin, and he knew it. Cromartie had a historically bad day. Those 4 PI’s got in his head so much he later fumbled a key punt return. So if all you want to say about D. Moore’s 4/34 day was that it wasn’t impressive, it just shows that you read box scores and don’t actually watch the game. Going forward, I don’t expect many CB’s to draw multiple PI’s to stop Moore. Cro recognized that Moore was someone he couldn’t defend, so he cheated to save face. You could easily say Cro had a much worse day than McKelvin did trying to defend Moore. In real football terms, not fantasy terms. Going forward, as long as the DB’s play honest, Moore is going to own one DB after another after another. Don’t be expecting his stat line to be typically 4/34. Remember, most expected Moore to have an off day against Revis & Cro and the vaunted Jets defense. And he still had a good day.

Thanks, i live in the bay area and the game was televised and i watched the entire thing. Why did you waste your breath typig all of this? i didn't say he stunk...I said he isnt the pickup of the year. And i'll rephrase, he most likely will not have another rushing td this year considering he is a wide reciver playing in a rotational receiver set.

Ok, for grins, lets toss out the TD run as an abberation. What do you have to say about the 4 additional catches he could have had if not interfered with? That doesn't convince you that his game was better than the stats showed? In terms of what can be expected going forward.

 

[thehornet]

moore 34 yards this week...is that supposed to be good? He won;t have another rushing td all year. You guys are crazy if you think he is the pickup of the year. How about the guy averaging 7 receptions and 80 yards per game and is now the #1 on his team....NW.

Tell us all why he won’t have another rushing TD this year? Did you even see that run? It was all Moore’s open field running and especially the goal line ball control to stretch for the TD. He makes splash plays regularly like that. It’s also important to note that it put the Raiders up for good late in the game and killed the Jets momentum. You think the Raiders won’t go back to that bag of tricks with a playmaker like Moore? You must have some magic crystal ball to see these things. But more likely, you haven’t been watching Moore actually play. Why should we be impressed with a 4/34 receiving stat line? (you may ask) Consider that he caused 4 PI penalties on his opposing CB Cromartie. If Moore was not interfered with, he’d have had 8/100+ and a strong possibility of a TD or two. He’s gone against a couple of good CB’s, guys with big egos that tout themselves as “shutdown” corners in McKelvin and Cromartie, and basically dressed them down. Against McKelvin 5/146/1, (nuff said). And Cromartie basically #### his pants trying to cover him, so much so that he needed to interfere to stop him. Had he played it straight, he’d have been posterized for huge stats just like McKelvin, and he knew it. Cromartie had a historically bad day. Those 4 PI’s got in his head so much he later fumbled a key punt return. So if all you want to say about D. Moore’s 4/34 day was that it wasn’t impressive, it just shows that you read box scores and don’t actually watch the game. Going forward, I don’t expect many CB’s to draw multiple PI’s to stop Moore. Cro recognized that Moore was someone he couldn’t defend, so he cheated to save face. You could easily say Cro had a much worse day than McKelvin did trying to defend Moore. In real football terms, not fantasy terms. Going forward, as long as the DB’s play honest, Moore is going to own one DB after another after another. Don’t be expecting his stat line to be typically 4/34. Remember, most expected Moore to have an off day against Revis & Cro and the vaunted Jets defense. And he still had a good day.

Thanks, i live in the bay area and the game was televised and i watched the entire thing. Why did you waste your breath typig all of this? i didn't say he stunk...I said he isnt the pickup of the year. And i'll rephrase, he most likely will not have another rushing td this year considering he is a wide reciver playing in a rotational receiver set.

Ok, for grins, lets toss out the TD run as an abberation. What do you have to say about the 4 additional catches he could have had if not interfered with? That doesn't convince you that his game was better than the stats showed? In terms of what can be expected going forward.

Sure it was, but it didnt happen. He ha a very nice future but expectations need to be temepered for "this" year. DHB stone hands still plays a lot and that alone hurts Moore's short term value.

 

[Grahamburn]

Moore owners: "He's good."

Moore non-owners/Ford owners: "He's not good."

And the most important opinion.. Raiders head coach: "He's unbelievable."

 

[tigerz]

Hmm, interesting how everyone mentions Newton and Moore. I picked up both and I kind of feel like I missed out on Fitzpatrick and Nelson who seem to be the more stable and safe picks although less sexy. I don't think Steve Johnson, Lloyd, and Hillis were sexy picks last year so the WW player of the year is probably underrated right now. In fact, I remember Hillis taking a backseat to Brandon Jackson.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

Moore owners: "He's good."Moore non-owners/Ford owners: "He's not good."And the most important opinion.. Raiders head coach: "He's unbelievable."

Very

 

[LittlePhatty]

And the most important opinion.. Raiders head coach: "He's unbelievable."

To be fair, the Raiders head coach owns both Moore and Ford.

 

[DoubleG]

moore 34 yards this week...is that supposed to be good? He won;t have another rushing td all year. You guys are crazy if you think he is the pickup of the year. How about the guy averaging 7 receptions and 80 yards per game and is now the #1 on his team....NW.

Tell us all why he won’t have another rushing TD this year? Did you even see that run? It was all Moore’s open field running and especially the goal line ball control to stretch for the TD. He makes splash plays regularly like that. It’s also important to note that it put the Raiders up for good late in the game and killed the Jets momentum. You think the Raiders won’t go back to that bag of tricks with a playmaker like Moore? You must have some magic crystal ball to see these things. But more likely, you haven’t been watching Moore actually play.Why should we be impressed with a 4/34 receiving stat line? (you may ask)

Consider that he caused 4 PI penalties on his opposing CB Cromartie. If Moore was not interfered with, he’d have had 8/100+ and a strong possibility of a TD or two. He’s gone against a couple of good CB’s, guys with big egos that tout themselves as “shutdown” corners in McKelvin and Cromartie, and basically dressed them down. Against McKelvin 5/146/1, (nuff said). And Cromartie basically #### his pants trying to cover him, so much so that he needed to interfere to stop him. Had he played it straight, he’d have been posterized for huge stats just like McKelvin, and he knew it. Cromartie had a historically bad day. Those 4 PI’s got in his head so much he later fumbled a key punt return.

So if all you want to say about D. Moore’s 4/34 day was that it wasn’t impressive, it just shows that you read box scores and don’t actually watch the game. Going forward, I don’t expect many CB’s to draw multiple PI’s to stop Moore. Cro recognized that Moore was someone he couldn’t defend, so he cheated to save face. You could easily say Cro had a much worse day than McKelvin did trying to defend Moore. In real football terms, not fantasy terms. Going forward, as long as the DB’s play honest, Moore is going to own one DB after another after another. Don’t be expecting his stat line to be typically 4/34. Remember, most expected Moore to have an off day against Revis & Cro and the vaunted Jets defense. And he still had a good day.

Thanks, i live in the bay area and the game was televised and i watched the entire thing. Why did you waste your breath typig all of this? i didn't say he stunk...I said he isnt the pickup of the year. And i'll rephrase, he most likely will not have another rushing td this year considering he is a wide reciver playing in a rotational receiver set.

Ahhhhhh...so which OTHER Raider WR did you draft?

 

[duaneok66]

Moore owners: "He's good."Moore non-owners/Ford owners: "He's not good."And the most important opinion.. Raiders head coach: "He's unbelievable."

Very

he also said Ford is amazing or something like that . . .people in the organization always talk up their players . . .Jerry Jones pimps all the players he drafts . . .Moore may be awesome, but it ISN'T because the coach thnks so . . .

 

[lion_crazz]

Like the OP, I am also 0-3 and really need to pickup the waiver wire darling of the year. Everyone is raving about Denarius Moore but EVERYONE in the AC told me that my team has no one to drop for Moore. Who would you compare Moore to?

 

[BRONG]

LOL @ the Raiders homer humping Moore's leg...over and over again. You'd think it was Jerry Rice with Steve Young.

 

[StackMonkey]

Hmm, interesting how everyone mentions Newton and Moore. I picked up both and I kind of feel like I missed out on Fitzpatrick and Nelson who seem to be the more stable and safe picks although less sexy. I don't think Steve Johnson, Lloyd, and Hillis were sexy picks last year so the WW player of the year is probably underrated right now. In fact, I remember Hillis taking a backseat to Brandon Jackson.

Fitzpatrick gets my early 2011 vote

 

[Scrappy Doo]

TWO WORDS: JAMES CASEY



He's an overgrown Wes Welker.

(Note: For leagues where DWow was already drafted.)

 

[thatguy]

I think Decker will very likely be the most consistent of all the waiver wire WR darlings. He clearly has Orton's trust, going from 5 to 9 to 12 targets respectively in his first 3 games. And the 12 target game came last week when Lloyd was also playing.

 

[Guru]

Denarius Moore is the waiver wire player of the year. I also have Ford and like him as well. I am going to hang on to Ford and see how he rebounds from his hamstring injury.

 

[BRONG]

I think Decker will very likely be the most consistent of all the waiver wire WR darlings. He clearly has Orton's trust, going from 5 to 9 to 12 targets respectively in his first 3 games. And the 12 target game came last week when Lloyd was also playing.

Fair enough, but what will happen with Tebow? Question marks, again...

 

[Khy]

I think Decker will very likely be the most consistent of all the waiver wire WR darlings. He clearly has Orton's trust, going from 5 to 9 to 12 targets respectively in his first 3 games. And the 12 target game came last week when Lloyd was also playing.

Fair enough, but what will happen with Tebow? Question marks, again...

Simple he will be in the slot on 4 wide sets... lololol

 

[thatguy]

I think Decker will very likely be the most consistent of all the waiver wire WR darlings. He clearly has Orton's trust, going from 5 to 9 to 12 targets respectively in his first 3 games. And the 12 target game came last week when Lloyd was also playing.

Fair enough, but what will happen with Tebow? Question marks, again...

Simple he will be in the slot on 4 wide sets... lololol

Good call.

 

[NYRAGE]

moore 34 yards this week...is that supposed to be good? He won;t have another rushing td all year. You guys are crazy if you think he is the pickup of the year. How about the guy averaging 7 receptions and 80 yards per game and is now the #1 on his team....NW.

Tell us all why he won’t have another rushing TD this year? Did you even see that run? It was all Moore’s open field running and especially the goal line ball control to stretch for the TD. He makes splash plays regularly like that. It’s also important to note that it put the Raiders up for good late in the game and killed the Jets momentum. You think the Raiders won’t go back to that bag of tricks with a playmaker like Moore? You must have some magic crystal ball to see these things. But more likely, you haven’t been watching Moore actually play.Why should we be impressed with a 4/34 receiving stat line? (you may ask)

Consider that he caused 4 PI penalties on his opposing CB Cromartie. If Moore was not interfered with, he’d have had 8/100+ and a strong possibility of a TD or two. He’s gone against a couple of good CB’s, guys with big egos that tout themselves as “shutdown” corners in McKelvin and Cromartie, and basically dressed them down. Against McKelvin 5/146/1, (nuff said). And Cromartie basically #### his pants trying to cover him, so much so that he needed to interfere to stop him. Had he played it straight, he’d have been posterized for huge stats just like McKelvin, and he knew it. Cromartie had a historically bad day. Those 4 PI’s got in his head so much he later fumbled a key punt return.

So if all you want to say about D. Moore’s 4/34 day was that it wasn’t impressive, it just shows that you read box scores and don’t actually watch the game. Going forward, I don’t expect many CB’s to draw multiple PI’s to stop Moore. Cro recognized that Moore was someone he couldn’t defend, so he cheated to save face. You could easily say Cro had a much worse day than McKelvin did trying to defend Moore. In real football terms, not fantasy terms. Going forward, as long as the DB’s play honest, Moore is going to own one DB after another after another. Don’t be expecting his stat line to be typically 4/34. Remember, most expected Moore to have an off day against Revis & Cro and the vaunted Jets defense. And he still had a good day.

A bit of hyperbole, no?

Jets fan here, who also owns Moore. Cromartie is a shut-down corner? news to me. A few PI/holding calls is hardly breaking news for him either. The only shutdown corner on the Jets is Revis. Moore looks like he is going to be a good receiver, but 4 for 34 and 2 PI against Cromartie was hardly stellar. Nice run though.

Anyway, 2 of those 4 pass interference calls weren't even against Moore.

1st and 10 at OAK 42 (No Huddle) J.Campbell pass incomplete deep right to D.Moore. PENALTY on NYJ-A.Cromartie, Defensive Pass Interference, 25 yards, enforced at OAK 42 - No Play.

2nd and 10 at OAK 25 J.Campbell pass incomplete short right to D.Hagan. PENALTY on NYJ-A.Cromartie, Defensive Holding, 5 yards, enforced at OAK 25 - No Play.

2nd and 9 at OAK 16 (No Huddle) J.Campbell pass incomplete deep left to D.Heyward-Bey. PENALTY on NYJ-A.Cromartie, Defensive Holding, 5 yards, enforced at OAK 16 - No Play.

2nd and 8 at OAK 30 J.Campbell pass incomplete short right to D.Moore. PENALTY on NYJ-A.Cromartie, Defensive Pass Interference, 11 yards, enforced at OAK 30 - No Play.

Cromartie muffed a kick-off, not a punt. I seriously doubt that any PI penalty had an impact on his empty head. If anything, he was probably startled that a Janikowski kick-off wasn't a touchback.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

moore 34 yards this week...is that supposed to be good? He won;t have another rushing td all year. You guys are crazy if you think he is the pickup of the year. How about the guy averaging 7 receptions and 80 yards per game and is now the #1 on his team....NW.

Tell us all why he won't have another rushing TD this year? Did you even see that run? It was all Moore's open field running and especially the goal line ball control to stretch for the TD. He makes splash plays regularly like that. It's also important to note that it put the Raiders up for good late in the game and killed the Jets momentum. You think the Raiders won't go back to that bag of tricks with a playmaker like Moore? You must have some magic crystal ball to see these things. But more likely, you haven't been watching Moore actually play. Why should we be impressed with a 4/34 receiving stat line? (you may ask) Consider that he caused 4 PI penalties on his opposing CB Cromartie. If Moore was not interfered with, he'd have had 8/100+ and a strong possibility of a TD or two. He's gone against a couple of good CB's, guys with big egos that tout themselves as "shutdown" corners in McKelvin and Cromartie, and basically dressed them down. Against McKelvin 5/146/1, (nuff said). And Cromartie basically #### his pants trying to cover him, so much so that he needed to interfere to stop him. Had he played it straight, he'd have been posterized for huge stats just like McKelvin, and he knew it. Cromartie had a historically bad day. Those 4 PI's got in his head so much he later fumbled a key punt return. So if all you want to say about D. Moore's 4/34 day was that it wasn't impressive, it just shows that you read box scores and don't actually watch the game. Going forward, I don't expect many CB's to draw multiple PI's to stop Moore. Cro recognized that Moore was someone he couldn't defend, so he cheated to save face. You could easily say Cro had a much worse day than McKelvin did trying to defend Moore. In real football terms, not fantasy terms. Going forward, as long as the DB's play honest, Moore is going to own one DB after another after another. Don't be expecting his stat line to be typically 4/34. Remember, most expected Moore to have an off day against Revis & Cro and the vaunted Jets defense. And he still had a good day.

 

[Stealthycat]

I'll take a stab here - and I don't own him in any of my leagues.

Dane Sanzenbacher WR CHI Rookie

Why? Likely wasn't drafted in any redrafts, probably not drafted in but a few leagues overall. WW until last week, might still be on yours?

played a little in game one, 1 target, 1 catch, 6 yards

game 2 7 targets, 3 catches, 33 yards, TD

game 3 7 targets, 5 catches, 27 yards, TD

Roy Williams isn't the answer in CHI. Neither is Hester. I like Knox but he isn't a stud WR. Cutler needs a go to, he needs that Eddie Royal type player to throw 10-12 times to a game. The Welker valve.

He can do that

 

[Buck Bradcanon]

By the time the FF playoffs begin it will be Stevan Ridley

I dont think Ridley will be beast mode but he is one of the few players mentioned in this thread that may still be on waivers. Its going to get cold in NE, Brady may not keep throwing for 400 every week (although who knows), and BJGE has kinda just been a guy for about 4 years now.Ridley may be a TD machine in Nov and Dec. Very worthy stash IMO.

 

[AmosMoses]

moore 34 yards this week...is that supposed to be good? He won;t have another rushing td all year. You guys are crazy if you think he is the pickup of the year. How about the guy averaging 7 receptions and 80 yards per game and is now the #1 on his team....NW.

Tell us all why he won’t have another rushing TD this year? Did you even see that run? It was all Moore’s open field running and especially the goal line ball control to stretch for the TD. He makes splash plays regularly like that. It’s also important to note that it put the Raiders up for good late in the game and killed the Jets momentum. You think the Raiders won’t go back to that bag of tricks with a playmaker like Moore? You must have some magic crystal ball to see these things. But more likely, you haven’t been watching Moore actually play. Why should we be impressed with a 4/34 receiving stat line? (you may ask) Consider that he caused 4 PI penalties on his opposing CB Cromartie. If Moore was not interfered with, he’d have had 8/100+ and a strong possibility of a TD or two. He’s gone against a couple of good CB’s, guys with big egos that tout themselves as “shutdown” corners in McKelvin and Cromartie, and basically dressed them down. Against McKelvin 5/146/1, (nuff said). And Cromartie basically #### his pants trying to cover him, so much so that he needed to interfere to stop him. Had he played it straight, he’d have been posterized for huge stats just like McKelvin, and he knew it. Cromartie had a historically bad day. Those 4 PI’s got in his head so much he later fumbled a key punt return. So if all you want to say about D. Moore’s 4/34 day was that it wasn’t impressive, it just shows that you read box scores and don’t actually watch the game. Going forward, I don’t expect many CB’s to draw multiple PI’s to stop Moore. Cro recognized that Moore was someone he couldn’t defend, so he cheated to save face. You could easily say Cro had a much worse day than McKelvin did trying to defend Moore. In real football terms, not fantasy terms. Going forward, as long as the DB’s play honest, Moore is going to own one DB after another after another. Don’t be expecting his stat line to be typically 4/34. Remember, most expected Moore to have an off day against Revis & Cro and the vaunted Jets defense. And he still had a good day.

 

[FF Ninja]

Haha, just clicked on this for fun. Did not expect it to be the D.Moore circle jerk that it is. Someone comes in and says something that isn't blatant optimism and you jump all over them.

I am really not concerned with his prospects. I don't have a spot in my starting lineups for him, so I feel like I'm unbiased here, although I'm sure I'll be seen as a bitter Ford owner or whatever else Moore hyperfans want to think...

Oakland is currently 26th in the league in passing yards (30.7 att/17.4 comp). Last year they were 22nd (with 27 att and 18 comp). Kevin Boss and Jacoby Ford have both been hurt, as well as DHB although of less importance. So for the superfans, what are you expecting out of Moore? Your offense is probably capable of 200-220 ypg through the air and 1.0-1.2 TD/gm. Ford is no slouch. Neither are Schilens or Murphy, although both are injury prone. DHB is going to see some time on the field whether you like it or not. And Jason Campbell likes his TEs and Boss is a decent player. Let's not forget DMC catches passes, too.

The Oakland passing game is a small pie with lots of slices. For Moore to win the WW player of the year titles, he's going to need probably 40% of the passing yards and 50% of the touchdowns (16g pace of 1300/8). For him to be startable he'll need 30% of the yardage (60-66 ypg) and 30% of the touchdowns (16g pace of 1000/6). Is that realistic? If so, how do you split up the percentages to Ford, Schilens, Murphy, DHB, DMC, and misc. others?

Personally, I like David Nelson better. Sure, he didn't have the rampant preseason hype on this board that Moore did, but he sure looks solid and he's in an improving passing game. I'm not expecting them to keep up 280 ypg, but they should be much better in that aspect than Oakland. There should also be more touchdowns to go around.

 

[Khy]

I think Decker will very likely be the most consistent of all the waiver wire WR darlings. He clearly has Orton's trust, going from 5 to 9 to 12 targets respectively in his first 3 games. And the 12 target game came last week when Lloyd was also playing.

Fair enough, but what will happen with Tebow? Question marks, again...

Simple he will be in the slot on 4 wide sets... lololol

Good call.

yea I thought so... on a serious not it's rather obvious that Fox just doesn't believe in Tebow, he will not be the starter there unless someone breaks Kyle Orton in half.

 

[The Doctor]

There wasn't really one last year. I think Tolbert was the best pickup and he was OK but not the type that's going to change your season.

Vick

 

[The Doctor]

There wasn't really one last year. I think Tolbert was the best pickup and he was OK but not the type that's going to change your season.

VickHillis

Brandon Lloyd

Steve Johnson

etc

add Jacob Tammee, and VJax because of his holdout.At one point last year I was starting Vick, Hillis, Steve Johnson, VJax, and Jacob Tammee and a few guys I drafted! I was one week too late with Lloyd. Went to the championship with a team of WW pickups! I don't see this years yet but that doesn't mean he hasn't already been picked up. I do think Nelson is this year's WR pickup in PPR formats.

Jordy or David?

 

[LittlePhatty]

how do you split up the percentages to Ford, Schilens, Murphy....

Ford will probably split evenly with Moore.Schilens - %0Murphy - %0But it's currently the McFadden Show down in Oakland right now.The Raiders look to be much better this year and I expect Campbell to improve on the passing stats, so this isn't a case where you can point to the past as a sure indicator for the future. I think both Ford and Moore could be Flex plays when both are on the field.I wouldn't want to own both guys and have to choose between them though.I still think David Nelson finishes the season as the top waiver wire WR. I own Moore and I'm trying to shop him around but no one is biting.

 

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

There wasn't really one last year. I think Tolbert was the best pickup and he was OK but not the type that's going to change your season.

Vick, Tolbert, Steve Johnson,Jacob Tamme..... did everyone also forget about Peyton Hillis???

 

[FF Ninja]

how do you split up the percentages to Ford, Schilens, Murphy....

Ford will probably split evenly with Moore.Schilens - %0Murphy - %0But it's currently the McFadden Show down in Oakland right now.The Raiders look to be much better this year and I expect Campbell to improve on the passing stats, so this isn't a case where you can point to the past as a sure indicator for the future. I think both Ford and Moore could be Flex plays when both are on the field.I wouldn't want to own both guys and have to choose between them though.I still think David Nelson finishes the season as the top waiver wire WR. I own Moore and I'm trying to shop him around but no one is biting.

Really? I am not trying to say Schilens and Murphy are better than Ford or Moore, although neither of them are bad WRs, but they WILL catch a few passes and there simply aren't that many to go around. I believe Campbell is an underrated QB, but this is a running team. I'm not suggesting we take last year's numbers as fact for this year, but realistically this is not a team that is going to throw for 250 a game - that would be 4000 on the year. I seriously think 220 is a safe ceiling for this team (3520 on the year). The defense seems better than last year and the running game is potent.Right now the running backs account for 27% of the receiving yards. Last year they accounted for 30%. Right now the tight ends account for under 11% of the receiving yards. Last year they accounted for 22%. I think it is safe to assume the TE position sees more looks when Boss is 100% healthy and comfortable with the offense.So the WRs are looking at probably 50-55% of 200-220 passing yards going forwards. To me, that is just not enough to get me excited about a rookie WR. Tampa Mike did it with just 222 passing yards per game, but the RBs took much less of that chunk and the WR2 on the team only had 25 catches. I think Boss and Ford will limit Moore too much to make him a great pickup this year in a lackluster passing offense.

 

[The Doctor]

I am liking David Nelson so far. Moore is on the bench- Nelson is getting the passes which keeps him in as my WR3 probably until Colston returns

 

[bergs101]

Hmm, interesting how everyone mentions Newton and Moore. I picked up both and I kind of feel like I missed out on Fitzpatrick and Nelson who seem to be the more stable and safe picks although less sexy. I don't think Steve Johnson, Lloyd, and Hillis were sexy picks last year so the WW player of the year is probably underrated right now. In fact, I remember Hillis taking a backseat to Brandon Jackson.

Good posting. I think that the WW pickup of the year was Fitzpatrick.

 

[ppierce]

I can't believe how little Cam Newton is being mentioned. 2 video game like performances and he's being discounted b/c of 1 mediocre game in a friggin MONSOON.

So far, based on production, its Newton hands down. However, I don't think it will continue and that may be why he's being discoutned as the WWPOTY.

 

[spodog]

There wasn't really one last year. I think Tolbert was the best pickup and he was OK but not the type that's going to change your season.

Brandon Lloyd, Stevie Johnson and LeGarrette Blount say hi.

Peyton Hillis, BJGE down the stretch, Kyle Orton in the 1st few weeks, Bowe (in shallow leagues) . . .

 

[chinawildman]

Last year they were 22nd (with 27 att and 18 comp). Kevin Boss and Jacoby Ford have both been hurt, as well as DHB although of less importance. So for the superfans, what are you expecting out of Moore? Your offense is probably capable of 200-220 ypg through the air and 1.0-1.2 TD/gm.

I'm not sure I agree with this kind of "one-way" logic... Don't you think if a team acquired a WW-o'-the-year type player that it would significantly affect this year's stats compared to last? (see panthers wrs 2011 vs 2010 due to Newton effect) In other words, if Moore were a transcendent type talent (which I believe he is), he wouldn't just be taking a piece of the pie, but rather making the pie itself larger.Besides, I think the OP was looking more for guys that are available on WW still, rather than ppl thumping their chests about their current WW pickups. My picks are Victor Cruz (gimpy Giants WRs) and Kendall Hunter (potential Jamaal Charles '09 effect)

 

[qimqam]

There wasn't really one last year. I think Tolbert was the best pickup and he was OK but not the type that's going to change your season.

Vick - Gone Week 1 Hillis - DraftedBrandon Lloyd - Gone Week 1Steve Johnson -etc

Ok so there really wasn't a great pickup after week 1 ... We are in week 4

 

[qimqam]

There wasn't really one last year. I think Tolbert was the best pickup and he was OK but not the type that's going to change your season.

Brandon Lloyd, Stevie Johnson and LeGarrette Blount say hi.

Peyton Hillis, BJGE down the stretch, Kyle Orton in the 1st few weeks, Bowe (in shallow leagues) . . .

BJGE - Drafted Orton - no Blount was ok didn't win anybody their league

 

[meeka]

Has the player who comes out of nowhere to help fantasy teams make the playoffs been picked up yet??Picked up Vick last year. Picked up Warner and Bruce in '99. Has that player shown up on the radar yet?? If so who? If not who??

Bruce was on the wire in '99? Does not seem likely.

 

[FF Ninja]

Hmm, interesting how everyone mentions Newton and Moore. I picked up both and I kind of feel like I missed out on Fitzpatrick and Nelson who seem to be the more stable and safe picks although less sexy. I don't think Steve Johnson, Lloyd, and Hillis were sexy picks last year so the WW player of the year is probably underrated right now. In fact, I remember Hillis taking a backseat to Brandon Jackson.

Good posting. I think that the WW pickup of the year was Fitzpatrick.

He was drafted in all my leagues. Even my one remaining 10-team league (no $) with my college buds. 164th draft pick.

 

[FF Ninja]

Last year they were 22nd (with 27 att and 18 comp). Kevin Boss and Jacoby Ford have both been hurt, as well as DHB although of less importance. So for the superfans, what are you expecting out of Moore? Your offense is probably capable of 200-220 ypg through the air and 1.0-1.2 TD/gm.

I'm not sure I agree with this kind of "one-way" logic... Don't you think if a team acquired a WW-o'-the-year type player that it would significantly affect this year's stats compared to last? (see panthers wrs 2011 vs 2010 due to Newton effect) In other words, if Moore were a transcendent type talent (which I believe he is), he wouldn't just be taking a piece of the pie, but rather making the pie itself larger.Besides, I think the OP was looking more for guys that are available on WW still, rather than ppl thumping their chests about their current WW pickups. My picks are Victor Cruz (gimpy Giants WRs) and Kendall Hunter (potential Jamaal Charles '09 effect)

I agree that this thread may have veered off topic. I was just clicking on it to see what was being talked about only to find that anyone who wasn't extremely optimistic about Moore was getted cased on. So I just felt like throwing a few numbers around to temper the fire a bit.I would argue that a QB is much more likely to significantly impact previous year stats than a WR. And what is this transcendent talent talk? Please defince transcendent talent. I do not think any of us have enough data to come to that conclusion. That kind of talk is stepping it up from Moore superfan to Moore hysteria. The guy is a 5th round rookie. Even if he is extremely talented, his talent is not nearly polished enough to be this crazy impact player in a relatively weak passing game. I mean, he could be a decent play for the rest of the year, but probability says he's not going to win the title "the WW pickup of the year".As for guys that are still out there, I agree with some that Ridley is worth a shot. Maybe even Vereen as late stretch run guys. They aren't available in most of my leagues, though. And I don't see any WR available that get me excited. But really, "the WW pickup of the year" might end up not being an RB1 or WR1 for the rest of the year. It is possilbe that there just isn't a crazy breakout player this year. And if there is one, one person may predict it now but it's like attempting a half court shot. If enough people try it, one is going to hit, but that doesn't mean that one person was actually a more accurate shooter than all those before him...

 

[thatguy]

I don't want to sound like a broken record, but Decker is not getting nearly enough love in this thread. In PPR, I think he'll definitely outscore Moore, and has a decent shot to outscore him in standard scoring leagues, too. He's a great route runner, has great hands, has tremendous chemistry with Orton (see his 52 yard TD reception against Cincy where he broke off his route along the sideline and Orton threw him a perfect strike--asked after the game he said that was not the design of the route, but that he and Orton both read the coverage the same and improvised). He's solid on underneath routes and a very good deep threat given his size and body control. I don't see Royal as a threat once he gets healthy. Decker has clearly proven himself to be a more dynamic and consistent playmaker, and should be the starter going forward.

 

[bergs101]

Hmm, interesting how everyone mentions Newton and Moore. I picked up both and I kind of feel like I missed out on Fitzpatrick and Nelson who seem to be the more stable and safe picks although less sexy. I don't think Steve Johnson, Lloyd, and Hillis were sexy picks last year so the WW player of the year is probably underrated right now. In fact, I remember Hillis taking a backseat to Brandon Jackson.

Good posting. I think that the WW pickup of the year was Fitzpatrick.

He was drafted in all my leagues. Even my one remaining 10-team league (no $) with my college buds. 164th draft pick.

Fitz was a WW pickup in 2 of my 3 leagues. The 3rd league being a start 2 QBs. These leagues are out West though, so that might be the difference.

 

[thatguy]

And as for Lloyd, I think there are enough balls to go around that both Decker and Lloyd will put up solid numbers. If anything, Decker's emergence will hurt Lloyd rather than the other way around. I still see Lloyd having a solid season, but I don't see him coming close to repeating his 2010 season (granted, it's not exactly going out a limb to suggest Lloyd won't be the top WR this season, but I could easily see him falling out of the top 10). I think it's reasonable that both Decker and Lloyd finish in the 10-15 range.

 

[gethugefast1]

There wasn't really one last year. I think Tolbert was the best pickup and he was OK but not the type that's going to change your season.

Brandon Lloyd, Stevie Johnson and LeGarrette Blount say hi.

Peyton Hillis or Hardesty, BJGE or Ridley down the stretch, Kyle Orton or Tim Tebow in the next few weeks, Bowe (in shallow leagues) . . .

 

[Vicktimized]

Last year they were 22nd (with 27 att and 18 comp). Kevin Boss and Jacoby Ford have both been hurt, as well as DHB although of less importance. So for the superfans, what are you expecting out of Moore? Your offense is probably capable of 200-220 ypg through the air and 1.0-1.2 TD/gm.

I'm not sure I agree with this kind of "one-way" logic... Don't you think if a team acquired a WW-o'-the-year type player that it would significantly affect this year's stats compared to last? (see panthers wrs 2011 vs 2010 due to Newton effect) In other words, if Moore were a transcendent type talent (which I believe he is), he wouldn't just be taking a piece of the pie, but rather making the pie itself larger.Besides, I think the OP was looking more for guys that are available on WW still, rather than ppl thumping their chests about their current WW pickups. My picks are Victor Cruz (gimpy Giants WRs) and Kendall Hunter (potential Jamaal Charles '09 effect)

Yeah, not understanding why people assume that the Raiders are "only" capable of passing for what they've done if they upgrade the weapons in the pass attack, which will happen with Ford's return.

 

[urbanhack]

I can't believe how little Cam Newton is being mentioned. 2 video game like performances and he's being discounted b/c of 1 mediocre game in a friggin MONSOON.

So far, based on production, its Newton hands down. However, I don't think it will continue and that may be why he's being discoutned as the WWPOTY.

Seriously????

 

[chinawildman]

And what is this transcendent talent talk? Please defince transcendent talent. I do not think any of us have enough data to come to that conclusion. That kind of talk is stepping it up from Moore superfan to Moore hysteria. The guy is a 5th round rookie. Even if he is extremely talented, his talent is not nearly polished enough to be this crazy impact player in a relatively weak passing game.

Definition of TRANSCENDENT:1 a: exceeding usual limits In this case I refer to "usual limits" as the widespread assumption that rookie WRs generally struggle in the NFL during their first season. From what I've seen of Moore, he looks nothing like your typical rookie WR. All IMHO of course... if we all had the "data" to come to that conclusion, he wouldn't have been on the waiver wire in the first place right?I am not ready to proclaim Moore ROY just yet. I simply found the logic in your previous post flawed. If you want to see an example of how a good rookie talent at WR can help a QB, look no further than Mike Williams/Josh Freeman last season. Seriously did anyone think Freeman was going to have good #s as a passer last year before the season began?

 

[FF Ninja]

Last year they were 22nd (with 27 att and 18 comp). Kevin Boss and Jacoby Ford have both been hurt, as well as DHB although of less importance. So for the superfans, what are you expecting out of Moore? Your offense is probably capable of 200-220 ypg through the air and 1.0-1.2 TD/gm.

I'm not sure I agree with this kind of "one-way" logic... Don't you think if a team acquired a WW-o'-the-year type player that it would significantly affect this year's stats compared to last? (see panthers wrs 2011 vs 2010 due to Newton effect) In other words, if Moore were a transcendent type talent (which I believe he is), he wouldn't just be taking a piece of the pie, but rather making the pie itself larger.Besides, I think the OP was looking more for guys that are available on WW still, rather than ppl thumping their chests about their current WW pickups. My picks are Victor Cruz (gimpy Giants WRs) and Kendall Hunter (potential Jamaal Charles '09 effect)

Yeah, not understanding why people assume that the Raiders are "only" capable of passing for what they've done if they upgrade the weapons in the pass attack, which will happen with Ford's return.

Please enlighten me. How many ypg do you expect? This is a run first team. I don't think they'll sniff 4000 yds passing.

 

[chinawildman]

There wasn't really one last year. I think Tolbert was the best pickup and he was OK but not the type that's going to change your season.

Vick - Gone Week 1 Hillis - DraftedBrandon Lloyd - Gone Week 1Steve Johnson -etc

Ok so there really wasn't a great pickup after week 1 ... We are in week 4

What about Tamme, Starks, or Freeman?

 

[shadyridr]

In my league Newton, Fitzpatrick & Moore were all drafted. Its been a pretty barren year on the WW so far. Usually guys emerge in the 1st qtr of the yr and I havent spent a dime of my bid $$ yet.

 

[qimqam]

There wasn't really one last year. I think Tolbert was the best pickup and he was OK but not the type that's going to change your season.

Vick - Gone Week 1 Hillis - DraftedBrandon Lloyd - Gone Week 1Steve Johnson -etc

Ok so there really wasn't a great pickup after week 1 ... We are in week 4

What about Tamme, Starks, or Freeman?

Tamme was a very good pickup, Starks (didn't do squat) and Freeman was drafted. For those sitting on the 1st waiver wire slot ... This is not what you are looking for.