Ok, exceeding the usual limits of a rookie WR. That's not exactly shooting for the moon there. That could've been taken to mean much more than exceeding usual rookie WR limits. When I think of transcendent WR talent I think Andre, Fitz, Calvin...I think you missed some of my logic. First of all, do you consider Campbell as good as Freeman? Second, Mike Williams was the only WR Freeman was targeting (128 targets to 41 for the next guy). I mentioned this already, but I'll say it again. The 2nd WR on that Tampa Bay team had 25 catches. Do you expect Jacoby Ford to have less than 41 targets and/or 25 catches? This pie is too small and there are too many slices.
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Has the WW player of the year been discovered yet? (1 Viewer)
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wudaben
Footballguy
Jason Campbell at Washington was able to support several productive years for Santana Moss & Cooley in a run driven offense so what makes us think that he cannot do the same in Oakland? From all reports Campbell seems to have grown at least a little bit as a QB and he has put up seasons of 3,200 & 3,600 passing yds. Even 3,000 yds is enough to support a couple receiving threats!
Lester Long
Footballguy
After this next week ( against the Pats)I doubt there will be another week this year where a Raider WR should be started. and even this week not sure what WR that would be.
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
I for one second your lovefest of Decker, though I don't like him as much as Moore.
spodog
Footballguy
Well, if none of these qualify last year and there is no one again this year, maybe you should just quit looking and ride the guys you drafted.
Instinctive
Footballguy
Besides, I;d say Blount won me my league. Without a WW pickup to play RB2, I'd have had no production there all year long and all the WR heavyness I drafted early would have been for naught.
chinawildman
Footballguy
How is that even relevant? My point is that it's flawed to assume that because quarterback X threw for Y amount of yards in 2010, that he would again throw for Y amount of yards again in 2011 despite having different personnel. If you can downgrade a QB when he loses a good WR, why can't you upgrade when the opposite happens?'FF Ninja said:
I had the #1 WW pick this week and nabbed Nate Washington who for reasons unknown, went completely undrafted. In my league, there is a three round WW pick on Wednesday nights @ 9:00 p.m. in which afterwards, everyone not rostered is a free agent until sunday @ 1:00 p.m.
So in my 2nd & 3rd round picks, I gunned for James Casey and Ed Dickson although I have Finley as a TE. In my league, you can insert a TE as a FLEX. I used the oppurtunity to dry up the TE market of any potential monsters at that position.
So in my 2nd & 3rd round picks, I gunned for James Casey and Ed Dickson although I have Finley as a TE. In my league, you can insert a TE as a FLEX. I used the oppurtunity to dry up the TE market of any potential monsters at that position.
LittlePhatty
Footballguy
Who gives a flip about your specific league out of a gazillion FF leagues in the world?We have to talk percentages here, and the point is that in the majority of leagues Lloyd was still on the waiver wire in week 3 last year and people were still calling him a "fluke".
His first two games were:
5/117/0
3/53/0
And even in the 10% of leagues where he was picked up after week 1, that is still a "waiver wire player" and he finished as the top WR.
Buzzbait
Footballguy
I don't think we've seen this years WW stud yet. Of the ones mentioned above so far I'd go with Hunter, Ridley or Scott in that order. Hunter has looked good when given the chance and Gore looks like he's breaking down. Ridley is an interesting option. He carried 6 times for 42 yards last week and they weren't garbage time "lets get the rookie some time" carries. It wouldn't shock me at all to see him jump past the Law Firm. Scott is a long shot for two reasons. One, he needs to get an opportunity and Ced Ben has appealed his suspension. Goodell may trim the suspension or let Ced off Scott free (pun intended 
). Two, even if Ced's suspension sticks Scott has to be off the charts to take the job from Ced. Cincy is very commited to running Ced every opportunity they get and I just don't see them taking the job from him and giving it to Scott. Not sold on Moore. I know Ford doesn't play the same WR position but he's going to take catches away from Moore (and that's even IF Moore plays ahead of Heyward-Bey).. Add in that we're talking Jason Campbell as QB and Moore doesn't look a break out player to me. Oak is for the most part going to rely on McFadden and Bush for offense.
). Two, even if Ced's suspension sticks Scott has to be off the charts to take the job from Ced. Cincy is very commited to running Ced every opportunity they get and I just don't see them taking the job from him and giving it to Scott. Not sold on Moore. I know Ford doesn't play the same WR position but he's going to take catches away from Moore (and that's even IF Moore plays ahead of Heyward-Bey).. Add in that we're talking Jason Campbell as QB and Moore doesn't look a break out player to me. Oak is for the most part going to rely on McFadden and Bush for offense.
Noah Davis
Footballguy
I'm gonna call Bilal Powell for the Jets taking over in week 7/8 - just speculative.
I like the week 8 call.
Hoss_Cartwright
Footballguy
Then after that explain why anyone cares about someone elses fantasy team.Post 110: "I finally have the #1 roster spot (order never resets) after this week's waivers . . .hopefully I can nab someone to help me (I am 1-2) in the coming weeks . . . "
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Really? You don't think quality of play from the QB position has any relevance to WR production? I do see what you are saying, but this appears to be a team that isn't going to lean on its passing game unless it needs to. With the running game clicking like it is, I wouldn't be surprised if they attempted LESS passes than last year. Either way, I don't see reason for a significant bump in passing production.I'll as you the same question I asked someone else, what are you expecting out of this passing offense? Please provide attempts, completion, yards, touchdowns, and interceptions. After you answer that question, take a crack at divvying it up amongst the RBs, WRs, and TEs. I think you'll find that you will be hard pressed to make a stistical case for your "transcendent talent" to be the WW pick up of the year.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Are you sure about that? Because I remember one coming against DHB and another on Hagan (I think, or some other lesser WR).
chinawildman
Footballguy
I'm speaking in generalizations, you keep trying to compare players to each other and I'm really not sure why. My original response was because I disagreed with your overall logic. Sure Campbell may throw for the same amount of yards this season, but why is it so unthinkable for him to maybe throw for a little more? So again I ask you the question: If you can downgrade a QB when he loses a good WR, why can't you upgrade when the opposite happens?'FF Ninja said:
You can upgrade a QB when his targets improve, but in this case it doesn't make a drastic difference BECAUSE YOU ARE OVERSTATING THE VALUE OF MOORE.Now that I've answered yours (even though I asked my question first), answer mine. I want to hear what you expect out of the Oakland passing game and who you expect it from. It is a simple exercise, but I think it will help you understand the situation that you are talking about a little better.
thatguy
Footballguy
And the Decker train keeps on rolling. Guys, he isn't going to slow down. Get him on your teams.
LittlePhatty
Footballguy
So far, yes. Stevan Ridley could be huge if somehow he gets more of the workload from now on.3/4 of the season remains.
Wally Cleaver
Footballguy
He'll slow down plenty when the pressure to play Tebow becomes too much... Trade him before this happens.
WiDDoW_MaKeR
Footballguy
There is a guy named Cam Newton that would argue against that.
ponchsox
Footballguy
Newton should have been drafted as a QB2 in most leagues.
VikingFrog
Footballguy
Not in 12 team redraft leagues with 4/5 bench spots.In shallow benched I think the key is to go upside RB fliers early in the season which is why you don't see him rostered. Plenty of people that wait to pick up a backup QB on their QBs bye week.He was available in both my leagues with these amount of people. Was picked up as a flier in week 1 by an opponent and I got him in week two off of waivers in another league.
The thread is titled WW player of the year. Cam Newton was drafted in a majority of leagues, hence he is not eligible.
Those are shallow leagues. In that case, there are or could be 10 + players for WW player of the year. I really don't care for shallow leagues for this reason.
urbanhack
Fight The Power!
I drafted him with the last pick in a 12 team redraft with 6 bench spots. Everyone laughed at me on draft day.
Disc Shark
Footballguy
Cam Newton looks like the waiver wire pick up of the year.
Instinctive
Footballguy
He was drafted in pretty much all actually-competitive leagues'Disc Shark said:
Guess none of my 4 leagues are actually competitive cause he wasn't drafted in any of them. Of course it could be those league members were drafting based on Dodds, Woods et al projections that had Newton 19-24. Must be that people in all those other leagues were smart enough to see past an unpolished QB starting for worst team in league w/o any offseason mini-camps, on a run first team with 1 legitimate WR who's on wrong side of 30, been injured last couple yrs & wanted out.Unless Ryan Torain/Ridley etc goes Mike Anderson the rest of the year, Newton is the WW gem of 2011.
AmosMoses
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Instinctive
Footballguy
But Mendenhall is injured now and one PIT paper is reporting that it looks as though Redman will start (a little early in the week for that, IMO).If Mendy comes back too soon, r-einjured, or gets injured again, then Redman could be decent - all about opportunity here though because that PIT OLine hasn't exactly been a run blocking force thus far...
T J
Footballguy
Not to mention ineffective when he wasn't injured. And I know this means pretty much nothing, but Mendenhall did put a large foot in his mouth during the offseason with his poorly received Osama Bin Laden comments so he kinda put a bullseye on himself. Maybe you've got the makings of what could well be a change in Pittsburgh - pure speculation on my part. Redman ran behind that same offensive line Sunday and carried it 6 times for 40yds. Hmmm.....
footballnerd
Footballguy
picked up Jonathan Stewart midseason in a few leagues last year
ponchsox
Footballguy
A waiver wire gem is somebody who went undrafted in virtually every league deep or shallow. Therefore, I don't think Newton qualifies. He was drafted in my 14 team league as a QB2. How many people drafted Eric Decker? Last year Vick was a waiver wire gem because hardly anyone drafted him since Kolb was the starter. When Kolb stunk up the joint and got injured, everyone starting jumping on Vick.
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Cenobite
Footballguy
Huh? Raidergil goes on to write that "Woods et al projections that had Newton 19-24." That brings Newton solidly in the QB2 range in standard team leagues. He should have been drafted as a QB2 and in most leagues he was. I guess Raidergil is correct. He isn't in any competitive leagues (if in fact he is in a standard 12 team league). 8 team leagues, which are rare, I could understand Newton not being drafted but in std. 12 team leagues he should have based on his skill set, opportunity, and pre-season rankings and ADP. So far, Decker gets my vote as sleeper of the year. It's still early and a lot of players have the chance to be the ww player of the year.
Guys that make comments like "he should have been drafted in all competitive leagues".....are basing that off of what? your leagues???
If he was drafted, I would guess it was very late. Moreover, in leagues where he was drafted - take a look at players that went either right before or right after Cam...I am willing to bet that most of those guys are on your "competitive" leagues waiver wire now.
If he was drafted, I would guess it was very late. Moreover, in leagues where he was drafted - take a look at players that went either right before or right after Cam...I am willing to bet that most of those guys are on your "competitive" leagues waiver wire now.
Buck Bradcanon
Footballguy
Thing about Newton that gets me is he was awful in preseasin. I know its just preseason and no minicamps this year..but man. Many NFL scouts were very very down on him as well. Crazy..
LittlePhatty
Footballguy
There are a gazillion fantasy leagues. "Virtually every" can be your definition, but Cam went undrafted in about 65% of leagues if I remember the Week 1 stats correctly. That's a majority, so you'll have to put up with the majority of people calling him a WW player.And QBs instantly become more valuable in larger leagues (14 or 16 owners). 10 or 12 teams seems to be more common.
Ketamine Dreams
Footballguy
It's Newton, and it's not close. He was undrafted in the majority of 10-12 man leagues, plan and simple.
I got a few snide remarks when I nominated him for $1 in the middle of my auction. He went for a buck.
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