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[switz]

Well the tone of the first 2 replies in this thread were basically laughing at the OP for even considering Barber at 4... illustrated by the rolling, laughing smilies. The guy has scored 28 touchdowns over the past 2 seasons in a non-full-time role. He's the goal line back on an offense that will consistently be in a position to score TDs. There's no evidence to support the claim that Felix Jones will get any more touches than Julius Jones did. You would have to be completely arrogant to insist MB3 has NO SHOT at improving on last year's numbers... and/or living up to a #4 overall selection.

Those two things are not one and the same. Improving on last years #s - quite likely.

Finishing in the top-4, pretty unrealistic.

Here's what would need to happen for Barber to finish in the top-4.

Per FBG, last season Barber finished at #7 with 197.5 points... that was about 25 points behind #6, and 110 points behind #1. The #4 scored 235.9 points, 38.4 more than Barber.

In 2006, the #7 RB scored 215.5 points, or 18 more than Barber did last season. The #4 scored 254.4 points, or 57 points more than Barber did last season.

Barber's production, meanwhile, only increased by 26.3 points from 171.2 to 197.5 while his workload increased from 147 touches to 248 touches. That's 100 more touches for an increases of ONLY 26.3 points. If you assume Barber will receive and additional 100 touches (giving him 348, which is unlikely as he is probably not going to get more than 250 carries.)

Even if he does increase his production by 27 points, that in a normal year wouldn't put him up to #4. He'd still be at #7.

 

[Bl Deep]

Legit question defiled by nerds who carry ADP around like a bible... those are the idiots ignore them...

Barber has top 5 upside, but i think you may be drafting away his upside, and to rely on the fact that he will blow away last years numbers is a risk

BUT

Addai - risk IMO w/ Manning, etc...

SJax - Huge Risk

Gore - Bigger bust potential

Addai is the safer pick with a lower ceiling than MB3....

4 hole is the worst spot in the draft this year IMO....gl.

 

[Bl Deep]

Well the tone of the first 2 replies in this thread were basically laughing at the OP for even considering Barber at 4... illustrated by the rolling, laughing smilies. The guy has scored 28 touchdowns over the past 2 seasons in a non-full-time role. He's the goal line back on an offense that will consistently be in a position to score TDs. There's no evidence to support the claim that Felix Jones will get any more touches than Julius Jones did. You would have to be completely arrogant to insist MB3 has NO SHOT at improving on last year's numbers... and/or living up to a #4 overall selection.

Those two things are not one and the same. Improving on last years #s - quite likely.

Finishing in the top-4, pretty unrealistic.

Here's what would need to happen for Barber to finish in the top-4.

Per FBG, last season Barber finished at #7 with 197.5 points... that was about 25 points behind #6, and 110 points behind #1. The #4 scored 235.9 points, 38.4 more than Barber.

In 2006, the #7 RB scored 215.5 points, or 18 more than Barber did last season. The #4 scored 254.4 points, or 57 points more than Barber did last season.

Barber's production, meanwhile, only increased by 26.3 points from 171.2 to 197.5 while his workload increased from 147 touches to 248 touches. That's 100 more touches for an increases of ONLY 26.3 points. If you assume Barber will receive and additional 100 touches (giving him 348, which is unlikely as he is probably not going to get more than 250 carries.)

Even if he does increase his production by 27 points, that in a normal year wouldn't put him up to #4. He'd still be at #7.

you are talking about 2ppg in fantasy...that is really nothing... MB3 could easily be a top 3 back.... the ground and pounder on an explosive team with good OLine, guy catches the ball well... I could easily see it.

 

[Tong Po]

Well the tone of the first 2 replies in this thread were basically laughing at the OP for even considering Barber at 4... illustrated by the rolling, laughing smilies. The guy has scored 28 touchdowns over the past 2 seasons in a non-full-time role. He's the goal line back on an offense that will consistently be in a position to score TDs. There's no evidence to support the claim that Felix Jones will get any more touches than Julius Jones did. You would have to be completely arrogant to insist MB3 has NO SHOT at improving on last year's numbers... and/or living up to a #4 overall selection.

Those two things are not one and the same. Improving on last years #s - quite likely.

Finishing in the top-4, pretty unrealistic.

Here's what would need to happen for Barber to finish in the top-4.

Per FBG, last season Barber finished at #7 with 197.5 points... that was about 25 points behind #6, and 110 points behind #1. The #4 scored 235.9 points, 38.4 more than Barber.

In 2006, the #7 RB scored 215.5 points, or 18 more than Barber did last season. The #4 scored 254.4 points, or 57 points more than Barber did last season.

Barber's production, meanwhile, only increased by 26.3 points from 171.2 to 197.5 while his workload increased from 147 touches to 248 touches. That's 100 more touches for an increases of ONLY 26.3 points. If you assume Barber will receive and additional 100 touches (giving him 348, which is unlikely as he is probably not going to get more than 250 carries.)

Even if he does increase his production by 27 points, that in a normal year wouldn't put him up to #4. He'd still be at #7.

Four more touchdowns in 2008 (not at all a stretch) would bring him up near that total. So he finishes 7th. Still can't figure out why drafting him 4th would get a guy laughed out of the Shark Pool. Barber also had 6 games last year where he carried the ball 8 or fewer times. Can't imagine there will be many games this season where he has single digit carries. So his rushing yardage should be higher this season as well. If all this falls into place, Barber could break the Top 4... couldn't he?

 

[switz]

Well the tone of the first 2 replies in this thread were basically laughing at the OP for even considering Barber at 4... illustrated by the rolling, laughing smilies. The guy has scored 28 touchdowns over the past 2 seasons in a non-full-time role. He's the goal line back on an offense that will consistently be in a position to score TDs. There's no evidence to support the claim that Felix Jones will get any more touches than Julius Jones did. You would have to be completely arrogant to insist MB3 has NO SHOT at improving on last year's numbers... and/or living up to a #4 overall selection.

Those two things are not one and the same. Improving on last years #s - quite likely.

Finishing in the top-4, pretty unrealistic.

Here's what would need to happen for Barber to finish in the top-4.

Per FBG, last season Barber finished at #7 with 197.5 points... that was about 25 points behind #6, and 110 points behind #1. The #4 scored 235.9 points, 38.4 more than Barber.

In 2006, the #7 RB scored 215.5 points, or 18 more than Barber did last season. The #4 scored 254.4 points, or 57 points more than Barber did last season.

Barber's production, meanwhile, only increased by 26.3 points from 171.2 to 197.5 while his workload increased from 147 touches to 248 touches. That's 100 more touches for an increases of ONLY 26.3 points. If you assume Barber will receive and additional 100 touches (giving him 348, which is unlikely as he is probably not going to get more than 250 carries.)

Even if he does increase his production by 27 points, that in a normal year wouldn't put him up to #4. He'd still be at #7.

you are talking about 2ppg in fantasy...that is really nothing... MB3 could easily be a top 3 back.... the ground and pounder on an explosive team with good OLine, guy catches the ball well... I could easily see it.

If it's so easy... why hasn't he done it? 2ppg is a lot in the grand scheme of things. Last year 100 more touches didn't get him a 2ppg increase. I think you seriously underestimate how big 2 ppg is...

 

[switz]

So he finishes 7th. Still can't figure out why drafting him 4th would get a guy laughed out of the Shark Pool.

Yeah but 7 is more ceiling than floor.... so drafting him at 4 doesn't make sense.

 

[Bl Deep]

Well the tone of the first 2 replies in this thread were basically laughing at the OP for even considering Barber at 4... illustrated by the rolling, laughing smilies. The guy has scored 28 touchdowns over the past 2 seasons in a non-full-time role. He's the goal line back on an offense that will consistently be in a position to score TDs. There's no evidence to support the claim that Felix Jones will get any more touches than Julius Jones did. You would have to be completely arrogant to insist MB3 has NO SHOT at improving on last year's numbers... and/or living up to a #4 overall selection.

Those two things are not one and the same. Improving on last years #s - quite likely.

Finishing in the top-4, pretty unrealistic.

Here's what would need to happen for Barber to finish in the top-4.

Per FBG, last season Barber finished at #7 with 197.5 points... that was about 25 points behind #6, and 110 points behind #1. The #4 scored 235.9 points, 38.4 more than Barber.

In 2006, the #7 RB scored 215.5 points, or 18 more than Barber did last season. The #4 scored 254.4 points, or 57 points more than Barber did last season.

Barber's production, meanwhile, only increased by 26.3 points from 171.2 to 197.5 while his workload increased from 147 touches to 248 touches. That's 100 more touches for an increases of ONLY 26.3 points. If you assume Barber will receive and additional 100 touches (giving him 348, which is unlikely as he is probably not going to get more than 250 carries.)

Even if he does increase his production by 27 points, that in a normal year wouldn't put him up to #4. He'd still be at #7.

you are talking about 2ppg in fantasy...that is really nothing... MB3 could easily be a top 3 back.... the ground and pounder on an explosive team with good OLine, guy catches the ball well... I could easily see it.

If it's so easy... why hasn't he done it? 2ppg is a lot in the grand scheme of things. Last year 100 more touches didn't get him a 2ppg increase. I think you seriously underestimate how big 2 ppg is...

Because your analysis contemplates a minor shift in carry breakdown of JJ/Mb3.... that isn't the situation now. he will get all the GL carries, and is the undisputed #1 back for an explosive offense... He is a MUCH better GL back than Addai, and in a similar situation... When you break out all the BS, MB3 has all the pieces in place for a blockbuster season... i cna't say the same about addai/sjax/gore...etc...

 

[switz]

He is a MUCH better GL back than Addai, and in a similar situation...

No he's not... go do some research. Addai actually scores more frequently per GL attempt.

 

[Bl Deep]

So he finishes 7th. Still can't figure out why drafting him 4th would get a guy laughed out of the Shark Pool.

Yeah but 7 is more ceiling than floor.... so drafting him at 4 doesn't make sense.

So repeating last years RBBC #'s while he is now not in a RBBC makes it his ceiling????illogical unless you put an enormous discount on a 3rd down back (and FAR greater discount than any other 3rd down back situation in the league)bottom line: MB3 will not last the first round, so if you want him, you have to take him at 4, you don't have the option of taking him at 7..... i suggest if you like him, take him... look at last years ADP rankings and you'll see how ridiculous arguing over 3 spots in ADP is...

 

[ROCKET]

If you like Barber at #4 then by all means draft him. I think the only mistake you're making is to actually bother for anyone else's advice on the pick. You will undoubtedly get a bunch of blowhard, know-it-all's spouting off about how they definitively know who you should take besides Barber.

Last year I took Bush at #5 in a ppr league which I'm sure many of these self proclaimed guru's would have laughed at too. I still won the title after fielding a solid team around him and grabbing a guy like Ryan Grant off waivers along with a little luck. Bush was a top 5 rb in our system until he went down towards the end of the year (enter Aaron Stecker off my bench). Barber has as good a shot as anyone else in that tier of putting up top 5 #'s. Take Barber, relax and build your team from there. GL.

 

[switz]

So he finishes 7th. Still can't figure out why drafting him 4th would get a guy laughed out of the Shark Pool.

Yeah but 7 is more ceiling than floor.... so drafting him at 4 doesn't make sense.

So repeating last years RBBC #'s while he is now not in a RBBC makes it his ceiling????illogical unless you put an enormous discount on a 3rd down back (and FAR greater discount than any other 3rd down back situation in the league)

bottom line: MB3 will not last the first round, so if you want him, you have to take him at 4, you don't have the option of taking him at 7..... i suggest if you like him, take him... look at last years ADP rankings and you'll see how ridiculous arguing over 3 spots in ADP is...

He's not in an RBBC??? Are you kidding me???

 

[Bl Deep]

He is a MUCH better GL back than Addai, and in a similar situation...

No he's not... go do some research. Addai actually scores more frequently per GL attempt.

So if Sammy Morris scored on all 3 of his gl attempts, it makes him a better GL back than MB3? go look at how many 2 yard TD throws manning has and compare to Romo.... MB3 is the #1 option at the GL, colts have a wider range of options. Given both teams being at the GL 10 times, i'd take MB3 over Addai in a heartbeat because he is going to get more opportunities to punch it in...

 

[kerpow]

Do whatever you think gives you the best chance to win. Isn't that the whole point of this game? If you follow ADP religiously you're letting other people draft for you.

 

[Tong Po]

So he finishes 7th. Still can't figure out why drafting him 4th would get a guy laughed out of the Shark Pool.

Yeah but 7 is more ceiling than floor.... so drafting him at 4 doesn't make sense.

So if 7th is his ceiling... where is Barber's floor in your eyes? And where does it make sense to draft him?

 

[Buck Bradcanon]

So he finishes 7th. Still can't figure out why drafting him 4th would get a guy laughed out of the Shark Pool.

Yeah but 7 is more ceiling than floor.... so drafting him at 4 doesn't make sense.

So repeating last years RBBC #'s while he is now not in a RBBC makes it his ceiling????illogical unless you put an enormous discount on a 3rd down back (and FAR greater discount than any other 3rd down back situation in the league)

bottom line: MB3 will not last the first round, so if you want him, you have to take him at 4, you don't have the option of taking him at 7..... i suggest if you like him, take him... look at last years ADP rankings and you'll see how ridiculous arguing over 3 spots in ADP is...

He's not in an RBBC??? Are you kidding me??? Felix Jones>>>>>>>>>>Jesus

fixed

 

[Bl Deep]

So he finishes 7th. Still can't figure out why drafting him 4th would get a guy laughed out of the Shark Pool.

Yeah but 7 is more ceiling than floor.... so drafting him at 4 doesn't make sense.

So repeating last years RBBC #'s while he is now not in a RBBC makes it his ceiling????illogical unless you put an enormous discount on a 3rd down back (and FAR greater discount than any other 3rd down back situation in the league)

bottom line: MB3 will not last the first round, so if you want him, you have to take him at 4, you don't have the option of taking him at 7..... i suggest if you like him, take him... look at last years ADP rankings and you'll see how ridiculous arguing over 3 spots in ADP is...

He's not in an RBBC??? Are you kidding me???

LOL... keep drinking the kool-aid. Felix will be nothing other than a gadget player, 3rd down back... not going to be used like JJ at all.... People always presume history repeats itself even when the comparison was apples v oranges...

It is illogical to take a scatback vs a between the tackle grinder, and presume they are the same... and moreso by saying Felix is (insert Hella or Wicked - Awesome) so he'll get more touches than JJ did... extrapolating off a ficticious baseline is a fallacy.

 

[switz]

He is a MUCH better GL back than Addai, and in a similar situation...

No he's not... go do some research. Addai actually scores more frequently per GL attempt.

So if Sammy Morris scored on all 3 of his gl attempts, it makes him a better GL back than MB3? go look at how many 2 yard TD throws manning has and compare to Romo.... MB3 is the #1 option at the GL, colts have a wider range of options. Given both teams being at the GL 10 times, i'd take MB3 over Addai in a heartbeat because he is going to get more opportunities to punch it in...

Go do the research. Stop posting nonsense.

 

[Bl Deep]

He is a MUCH better GL back than Addai, and in a similar situation...

No he's not... go do some research. Addai actually scores more frequently per GL attempt.

So if Sammy Morris scored on all 3 of his gl attempts, it makes him a better GL back than MB3? go look at how many 2 yard TD throws manning has and compare to Romo.... MB3 is the #1 option at the GL, colts have a wider range of options. Given both teams being at the GL 10 times, i'd take MB3 over Addai in a heartbeat because he is going to get more opportunities to punch it in...

Go do the research. Stop posting nonsense.

LOL... you aren't much of a critical thinker... Keep it up with the statiscal analyses/extrapolations involving single data points... They are really comical... Cashier at the store incorrectly gave me $1.50 extra in change for a purchase.... I just read your newsletter and figure since i make 1500 - 1800 transactions a year, I should profit $2,250 - 2,700THANKS FOR MAKING ME RICH!!!!!!

 

[switz]

So he finishes 7th. Still can't figure out why drafting him 4th would get a guy laughed out of the Shark Pool.

Yeah but 7 is more ceiling than floor.... so drafting him at 4 doesn't make sense.

So if 7th is his ceiling... where is Barber's floor in your eyes? And where does it make sense to draft him?

I figure he won't finish lower than 12th. I view him as the #9 slot RB. But there is a huge dropoff from 5 to 9. He's a late first round RB, not a high first round RB. He is one of the safer first round RBs without a doubt, but his ceiling isn't as high as LT, ADP, Addai, SJax, Gore, LJ (lower floor IMO), Westbrook, McFadden, Lynch, Portis, Michael Turner (yeah, I know you'll laugh), Reggie Bush (laugh again)

 

[Bl Deep]

So he finishes 7th. Still can't figure out why drafting him 4th would get a guy laughed out of the Shark Pool.

Yeah but 7 is more ceiling than floor.... so drafting him at 4 doesn't make sense.

So if 7th is his ceiling... where is Barber's floor in your eyes? And where does it make sense to draft him?

I figure he won't finish lower than 12th. I view him as the #9 slot RB. But there is a huge dropoff from 5 to 9. He's a late first round RB, not a high first round RB. He is one of the safer first round RBs without a doubt, but his ceiling isn't as high as LT, ADP, Addai, SJax, Gore, LJ (lower floor IMO), Westbrook, McFadden, Lynch, Portis, Michael Turner (yeah, I know you'll laugh), Reggie Bush (laugh again)

That 'ceiling' is just a mental block that resides in your cranium... So you've now given into the fact that he won't be worse than an RB1 at the worst... Half the top 10 RBs won't finish in the Top 10... meaning you have an oppotunity to take a RB 4th, and know he'll finish better than half the first 10 backs.....Seems like a pretty solid scenario. Then you say bush and McFadden have bigger upside... LOL... to each their own, but you seriously shouldn't be trying to convince anyone else to live in the La-la land you reside in.

 

[Buckeyedawgs]

I personally think Barber is a reach anywhere in the first round! Jerry Jones can't wait to unleash his home boy secreat weapon and it will eat into Barber's stats more then Julias ever did! :(

I'll take my chances with Lynch, Portis, even LJ over Barber this year. I have him projected real close to Lewis!

 

[Tong Po]

So he finishes 7th. Still can't figure out why drafting him 4th would get a guy laughed out of the Shark Pool.

Yeah but 7 is more ceiling than floor.... so drafting him at 4 doesn't make sense.

So if 7th is his ceiling... where is Barber's floor in your eyes? And where does it make sense to draft him?

I figure he won't finish lower than 12th. I view him as the #9 slot RB. But there is a huge dropoff from 5 to 9. He's a late first round RB, not a high first round RB. He is one of the safer first round RBs without a doubt, but his ceiling isn't as high as LT, ADP, Addai, SJax, Gore, LJ (lower floor IMO), Westbrook, McFadden, Lynch, Portis, Michael Turner (yeah, I know you'll laugh), Reggie Bush (laugh again)

Well sir... your original quote (the first one in this thread) was the following...#2, I think 4 is incredibly way way way too high

So if you believe he can finish as high as 7th and no lower than 12th, how is drafting him 4th "incredibly, way, way too high"?

Are there a half dozen WRs and QBs you value higher than Barber? If not, I don't see where this is coming from.

And the fact remains, if you want Barber, you would have to draft him 4th, because he won't be there for you in the 2nd.

 

[switz]

Well sir... you're original quote (the first one in this thread) was the following...

#2, I think 4 is incredibly way way way too high

So if you believe he can finish as high as 7th and no lower than 12th, how is drafting him 4th "incredibly, way, way too high"?

I would not draft a player higher than I think he can finish. That's foolish. I think he LIKELY finishes around 9th... which is where I rank him among RBs currently. Though that is probably going to drop as I see some more reports form the rookies, and get more info from the Cowboys.

Are there a half dozen WRs and QBs you value higher than Barber? If not, I don't see where this is coming from.

? ?? No, but there are a half dozen Rbs I figure CAN finish higher, and likely WILL.

LT, ADP, SJAX, Westbrook, Addai, Gore - so why draft Barber at #4, when I think any of these RBs will finish higher?

And the fact remains, if you want Barber, you would have to draft him 4th, because he won't be there for you in the 2nd.

Then you pay that price... but why would I want Barber more than a player who I think will outscore him?

 

[BroadwayG]

He's my #3 RB this year, and I've never lost a league in 15 years averaging 5 leagues per year. Bank it.

 

[bebeskids]

In my opinion, if you can't get the player you want in the next round, then it is not a "reach." I took Addai third in a league last year and many felt it was a reach, but I was avoiding LJ like the plague, and I could have done better, but I was happy with the pick.

If MBIII is that high on your board, take him. Don't follow the ADP guidelines, just so someone with the 9th or 10th pick can grab him at a pick where he is "supposed" to go. It's silly to follow that stuff, in my opinion. I wish I had "reached" on Brady and Peterson last year.

 

[Tong Po]

Well sir... you're original quote (the first one in this thread) was the following...

#2, I think 4 is incredibly way way way too high

So if you believe he can finish as high as 7th and no lower than 12th, how is drafting him 4th "incredibly, way, way too high"?

I would not draft a player higher than I think he can finish. That's foolish. I think he LIKELY finishes around 9th... which is where I rank him among RBs currently. Though that is probably going to drop as I see some more reports form the rookies, and get more info from the Cowboys.

Are there a half dozen WRs and QBs you value higher than Barber? If not, I don't see where this is coming from.

? ?? No, but there are a half dozen Rbs I figure CAN finish higher, and likely WILL.

LT, ADP, SJAX, Westbrook, Addai, Gore - so why draft Barber at #4, when I think any of these RBs will finish higher?

And the fact remains, if you want Barber, you would have to draft him 4th, because he won't be there for you in the 2nd.

Then you pay that price... but why would I want Barber more than a player who I think will outscore him?

You can draft whoever you want... whenever you want. I still can't wrap my head around your comment that drafting Barber from the 4 spot is "incredibly way, way too high". Then basically laughing at the dude for even suggesting it. That's all I'm saying. You obviously don't intend to justify or explain that comment, so I'll leave it alone.To the original poster... taking Barber 4th overall seems a little high given the presence of Felix Jones. But he's a solid player on a damn good offense who WILL score touchdowns. And I think it's a pretty safe pick that won't hurt you as long as Barber stays healthy. I also believe he has more upside than some others in this thread tend to believe.

 

[Pipes]

In my opinion, if you can't get the player you want in the next round, then it is not a "reach." I took Addai third in a league last year and many felt it was a reach, but I was avoiding LJ like the plague, and I could have done better, but I was happy with the pick. If MBIII is that high on your board, take him. Don't follow the ADP guidelines, just so someone with the 9th or 10th pick can grab him at a pick where he is "supposed" to go. It's silly to follow that stuff, in my opinion. I wish I had "reached" on Brady and Peterson last year.

If everyone in your league followed ADP exactly then you wouldn't even need to have a draft. What fun that would be. ADP is mean't to give you a ballpark not an absolute so if MBII's ADP is 7 and someone drafts him 4 I don't see what the big deal is. It's not really a reach at all.

 

[Bears_Man2]

Take who you want.

I don't think it's a reach myself. Both he and Addai are in top notch offenses, question with both IMO is durability (then again, you can say that about most RB's for 16 games).

If Jackson's there, I'd take him @ 4. I'd take Barber over Gore (who I won't take in Round 1 period with that mess in SF)

 

[pollardsvision]

if westbrook is their ill take him but assume hes taken at 3--leave me steven jackson as the obvious pick. what does everyone thing about marion barber--i get .5 a reception and he seems like the guy thats goin to catch a lot of screen plays and dumpoffs . i think hell be a lot like westbrook in his usage. dont like that jackson is holding out this long and obviously not in shape. is taking barber at #4 a reach?

if westy's gone and you really don't want to take the risk on s-jax, go for it. i wouldn't, but it's your team. it's funny, if you asked this question of joseph addai, no one would call you crazy. barber is more talented than addai, in every bit as good an offense, and his backup is a rookie, while addai's backup is a former 1000 yard rusher in the NFL.barber is one of a handful of guys worthy of considertation at that spot. he probably wouldn't be my choice, but i could understand the thought process.

 

[PatsWillWin]

Link

 

[oddball]

Yesterday in the mon:e:y league I took him 1.03.

LT

AP

MB3

I don't care. I think he has too much upside to worry about taking him 3-4 spots too soon.

 

[Moe Green]

Do what you think is best -- after LT2, Westbrook, and ADP the next 6 or 7 backs are a toss-up, IMO.

 

[sjacksonfan]

considering ive won my league twice U should keep your smartass comments to yourself jackass.

The nerds who post here 24/7 make this place unreadable. Ignore them.

Moreso people who don't know the proper forum to post in.

If I ever start worrying/knowing/caring about which subforum is the proper one to post a fantasy football question on a fantasy football internet message board I pray Dr. Kevorkian is alive and out of prison at that time.

No idea about Dr. Krevorkian but please worry/know/care about the right forum for posting if you'd like to continue posting here. TIA.J

I'll do my best, Mr. Barnum.

 

[HellToupee]

considering ive won my league twice U should keep your smartass comments to yourself jackass.

The nerds who post here 24/7 make this place unreadable. Ignore them.

Moreso people who don't know the proper forum to post in.

If I ever start worrying/knowing/caring about which subforum is the proper one to post a fantasy football question on a fantasy football internet message board I pray Dr. Kevorkian is alive and out of prison at that time.

No idea about Dr. Krevorkian but please worry/know/care about the right forum for posting if you'd like to continue posting here. TIA.J

I'll do my best, Mr. Barnum.

 

[s1eepinglionhart]

in one word? yup.

 

[North]

considering ive won my league twice U should keep your smartass comments to yourself jackass.

The nerds who post here 24/7 make this place unreadable. Ignore them.

I think this is the wrong forum for this question but I'll answer.I'm high on MBIII but I would consider Portis ahead of him and definately LT,ADP, BW, Addai and SJAX. Switz summed it up, Felix WILL be in the mix (not as much as he thinks) but he will be. I think MBII will finish the season 5-8 in most fantasy scoring systems. 4th might be a reach but you gotta do what you gotta do!

 

[swirvenirvin]

if westbrook is their ill take him but assume hes taken at 3--leave me steven jackson as the obvious pick. what does everyone thing about marion barber--i get .5 a reception and he seems like the guy thats goin to catch a lot of screen plays and dumpoffs. i think hell be a lot like westbrook in his usage. dont like that jackson is holding out this long and obviously not in shape. is taking barber at #4 a reach?

#1, try a search

#2, I think 4 is incredibly way way way too high

#3, his receptions are more likely to go down than up this season

I would take him at # 4 right now in a second, him and S-jax are close, but MBIII plays in a lot better team, so not sure why you think it's so funny

 

[swirvenirvin]

considering ive won my league twice U should keep your smartass comments to yourself jackass.

The nerds who post here 24/7 make this place unreadable. Ignore them.

Moreso people who don't know the proper forum to post in.

If I ever start worrying/knowing/caring about which subforum is the proper one to post a fantasy football question on a fantasy football internet message board I pray Dr. Kevorkian is alive and out of prison at that time.

We're all praying that you get your wish.

DUMB

 

[oddball]

considering ive won my league twice U should keep your smartass comments to yourself jackass.

The nerds who post here 24/7 make this place unreadable. Ignore them.

Moreso people who don't know the proper forum to post in.

If I ever start worrying/knowing/caring about which subforum is the proper one to post a fantasy football question on a fantasy football internet message board I pray Dr. Kevorkian is alive and out of prison at that time.

We're all praying that you get your wish.

DUMB

Christo isn't a stupid man, but his social graces do lack. A LOT.

 

[Pittsburgh United]

if westbrook is their ill take him but assume hes taken at 3--leave me steven jackson as the obvious pick. what does everyone thing about marion barber--i get .5 a reception and he seems like the guy thats goin to catch a lot of screen plays and dumpoffs. i think hell be a lot like westbrook in his usage. dont like that jackson is holding out this long and obviously not in shape. is taking barber at #4 a reach?

:X #1, try a search

#2, I think 4 is incredibly way way way too high

#3, his receptions are more likely to go down than up this season

I would take him at # 4 right now in a second, him and S-jax are close, but MBIII plays in a lot better team, so not sure why you think it's so funny

For the same reason he thinks it's funny to have a picture of Clay Aiken for his avatar.

 

[buster c]

Well the tone of the first 2 replies in this thread were basically laughing at the OP for even considering Barber at 4... illustrated by the rolling, laughing smilies. The guy has scored 28 touchdowns over the past 2 seasons in a non-full-time role. He's the goal line back on an offense that will consistently be in a position to score TDs. There's no evidence to support the claim that Felix Jones will get any more touches than Julius Jones did. You would have to be completely arrogant to insist MB3 has NO SHOT at improving on last year's numbers... and/or living up to a #4 overall selection.

Those two things are not one and the same. Improving on last years #s - quite likely.

Finishing in the top-4, pretty unrealistic.

Here's what would need to happen for Barber to finish in the top-4.

Per FBG, last season Barber finished at #7 with 197.5 points... that was about 25 points behind #6, and 110 points behind #1. The #4 scored 235.9 points, 38.4 more than Barber.

In 2006, the #7 RB scored 215.5 points, or 18 more than Barber did last season. The #4 scored 254.4 points, or 57 points more than Barber did last season.

Barber's production, meanwhile, only increased by 26.3 points from 171.2 to 197.5 while his workload increased from 147 touches to 248 touches. That's 100 more touches for an increases of ONLY 26.3 points. If you assume Barber will receive and additional 100 touches (giving him 348, which is unlikely as he is probably not going to get more than 250 carries.)

Even if he does increase his production by 27 points, that in a normal year wouldn't put him up to #4. He'd still be at #7.

Four more touchdowns in 2008 (not at all a stretch) would bring him up near that total. So he finishes 7th. Still can't figure out why drafting him 4th would get a guy laughed out of the Shark Pool. Barber also had 6 games last year where he carried the ball 8 or fewer times. Can't imagine there will be many games this season where he has single digit carries. So his rushing yardage should be higher this season as well. If all this falls into place, Barber could break the Top 4... couldn't he?

did anybody see this?? this is where the Swiz statistacal extrapolation breaks down.go for MB3 at #4 - why not? it's not like the preseason rankings hold form

 

[ScoobyDoo]

I have the 4th pick as well. I was leaning Addai or praying Westbrook would fall. Course if I take Addai he'll be this years version of last years Willie Parker (my pick at 5 last year).

Maybe if they stopped drawing my name at the same stinking spot.

 

[switz]

Well the tone of the first 2 replies in this thread were basically laughing at the OP for even considering Barber at 4... illustrated by the rolling, laughing smilies. The guy has scored 28 touchdowns over the past 2 seasons in a non-full-time role. He's the goal line back on an offense that will consistently be in a position to score TDs. There's no evidence to support the claim that Felix Jones will get any more touches than Julius Jones did. You would have to be completely arrogant to insist MB3 has NO SHOT at improving on last year's numbers... and/or living up to a #4 overall selection.

Those two things are not one and the same. Improving on last years #s - quite likely.

Finishing in the top-4, pretty unrealistic.

Here's what would need to happen for Barber to finish in the top-4.

Per FBG, last season Barber finished at #7 with 197.5 points... that was about 25 points behind #6, and 110 points behind #1. The #4 scored 235.9 points, 38.4 more than Barber.

In 2006, the #7 RB scored 215.5 points, or 18 more than Barber did last season. The #4 scored 254.4 points, or 57 points more than Barber did last season.

Barber's production, meanwhile, only increased by 26.3 points from 171.2 to 197.5 while his workload increased from 147 touches to 248 touches. That's 100 more touches for an increases of ONLY 26.3 points. If you assume Barber will receive and additional 100 touches (giving him 348, which is unlikely as he is probably not going to get more than 250 carries.)

Even if he does increase his production by 27 points, that in a normal year wouldn't put him up to #4. He'd still be at #7.

Four more touchdowns in 2008 (not at all a stretch) would bring him up near that total. So he finishes 7th. Still can't figure out why drafting him 4th would get a guy laughed out of the Shark Pool. Barber also had 6 games last year where he carried the ball 8 or fewer times. Can't imagine there will be many games this season where he has single digit carries. So his rushing yardage should be higher this season as well. If all this falls into place, Barber could break the Top 4... couldn't he?

did anybody see this?? this is where the Swiz statistacal extrapolation breaks down.go for MB3 at #4 - why not? it's not like the preseason rankings hold form

You think in 6 games he is going to make up 100 touches?I don't think you understand "extrapolate" either

I'm done with the Barber talk... I only hope people in my league buy into the Barber hype. It's like people taking MJD in the 2nd last year because they didn't want to miss out on him in the 3rd.

 

[buster c]

Well the tone of the first 2 replies in this thread were basically laughing at the OP for even considering Barber at 4... illustrated by the rolling, laughing smilies. The guy has scored 28 touchdowns over the past 2 seasons in a non-full-time role. He's the goal line back on an offense that will consistently be in a position to score TDs. There's no evidence to support the claim that Felix Jones will get any more touches than Julius Jones did. You would have to be completely arrogant to insist MB3 has NO SHOT at improving on last year's numbers... and/or living up to a #4 overall selection.

Those two things are not one and the same. Improving on last years #s - quite likely.

Finishing in the top-4, pretty unrealistic.

Here's what would need to happen for Barber to finish in the top-4.

Per FBG, last season Barber finished at #7 with 197.5 points... that was about 25 points behind #6, and 110 points behind #1. The #4 scored 235.9 points, 38.4 more than Barber.

In 2006, the #7 RB scored 215.5 points, or 18 more than Barber did last season. The #4 scored 254.4 points, or 57 points more than Barber did last season.

Barber's production, meanwhile, only increased by 26.3 points from 171.2 to 197.5 while his workload increased from 147 touches to 248 touches. That's 100 more touches for an increases of ONLY 26.3 points. If you assume Barber will receive and additional 100 touches (giving him 348, which is unlikely as he is probably not going to get more than 250 carries.)

Even if he does increase his production by 27 points, that in a normal year wouldn't put him up to #4. He'd still be at #7.

Four more touchdowns in 2008 (not at all a stretch) would bring him up near that total. So he finishes 7th. Still can't figure out why drafting him 4th would get a guy laughed out of the Shark Pool. Barber also had 6 games last year where he carried the ball 8 or fewer times. Can't imagine there will be many games this season where he has single digit carries. So his rushing yardage should be higher this season as well. If all this falls into place, Barber could break the Top 4... couldn't he?

did anybody see this?? this is where the Swiz statistacal extrapolation breaks down.go for MB3 at #4 - why not? it's not like the preseason rankings hold form

You think in 6 games he is going to make up 100 touches?I don't think you understand "extrapolate" either

I'm done with the Barber talk... I only hope people in my league buy into the Barber hype. It's like people taking MJD in the 2nd last year because they didn't want to miss out on him in the 3rd.

he doesn't need 100 touches to make up 2 points per game