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Have you ever been called a cheater by fellow owners? (1 Viewer)

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Buckeyedawgs

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I got this idea from pintas poll on haveing another owner pick a player off waivers for him and provideing him a draft pick compensation in return.

In my 30 years of fantasy life mostly all hi stake leagues I have been called a cheater twice.

Here are both instances one happening just this year. I'd like to hear others too.

One owner is still calling me a cheater and happened this year. I was trying to trade J.Wright to the Lewis owner for a bottom end receiver for a one week fill in AS A wr-3. I gave up when he wouldn't offer me anything better then I could find on waivers so I told him I would just dump him for a WR on waivers. And immediately did. One owner had a major problem with this because I had tipped off the owner I was dropping Wright trying to trade him first and the LEWIS owner immediately picked up. One owner in that league was so upset about this he threatened to quit and told me i'd be kicked out of his league for doing this. It just happened to be my brother.

I would never intentionally cheat or help any other opponet in any league I play in. But it offended one so bad he called me a cheater. Was I wrong accidently tipping off a owner I was about to dump Wright simpley because I tried to trade him first since he was the Lewis owner? This wouldnt even be an issue if they froze drops until next waiver run like most smart leagues!

The only other time I was ever called a cheater in 32 years was when I traded the rushing champion J. Anderson for Tiki BARBER. They thought I was nuts and two weeks later J. Andersons career was over. I was looking like a genious, not a cheater. haha Just my guts on Tiki back then as that was the only team I didnt draft TIKI that year and wanted him bad! Just something I picked up in preseason all on my own and the experts all thought Dayne was the future of NY. I won every league that year too! And Tiki probably went on to win me more $$$ then any other stud over the years. I miss him! lol

1. do you think I am guilty of cheating and 2. have you ever been called a cheater?

It really does tick me off when being called a cheater. I will never forgive them dudes.

 
Yep, the good old fashioned way for many years of meeting at a conference room. Drafting over beers all night. Calling in line-ups weekly and useing the paper to acumulate points. Oh, how much I love the internet.

 
I've only played for 11 years, since '97 (post-pencil, paper, sports section) and no, never been called a cheater in football. It'd be kinda hard to cheat with the way things are run on the internet unless you're commish. Yes, the bad trades happen, but IMO if anybody should look bad it's the guy making the ####ty end of the trade, not you. However, I was called a cheater once in my 2nd year of fantasy baseball for putting Chipper Jones at the wrong position for about a week. I had no idea I'd done anything wrong though. :lmao:

kevinallen said:
Buckeyedawgs said:
In my 30 years of fantasy life
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Playing since the late 70's? :lmao:
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It's crazy huh, my dad & his buds started in the mid-80's.
 
Yup, I was called a cheater last year just after Week 4. One owner was desperate, having gone 0-4, and I offered him Brett Favre and Ronnie Brown (both of whom had been stellar early in the season) for Drew Brees and Larry Johnson (both of whom were slumping horribly at this time). I fully expected Drew Brees to bounce back (he did), and figured there was a good chance that LJ would too (he didn't) - on the other hand, I also expected Brett and Ronnie to both crash back to earth, stats-wise (one-in-two... hey, I can't call 'em all). I was pretty deep at both QB and RB, so I figured I could afford to gamble on two guys that I thought would rebound in exchange for two guys that I thought were peaking. The other owner happily agreed to the trade, as he was a big Favre fan, and thought that Ronnie was in for a huge year.

So why was I called a cheater? I'd acquired Ronnie cheap in an early draft, when there were rumors swirling of Jesse Chatman getting the starting job, and one of the other league owners said I wasn't giving up nearly enough to get a "top 3 talent" in LJ - basically, because I was giving up someone whom I'd drafted in the 4th for someone who was drafted in the 1st, I was apparently "cheating". Never mind the fact that the OTHER OWNER HAD AGREED TO THE TRADE - obviously, I must have been controlling his mind or something. :lmao: Oh, and I was the #1 team in the league at the time... but I'm sure that had NOTHING to do with somebody being against my trade... *sarcasm*

People who vote down other trades simply because they don't want to see a good team get better annoy me more than anything else in fantasy football, and being called a "cheater" made it even worse.

 
Road Warriors said:
GregR said:
I was once caught videotaping my opponent entering his lineup into the website.
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But was the camera location accessible by your coaching staff during the entering of the lineup?
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According to my interpretation of the rules, I didn't think it was illegal. I didn't think it was illegal so much that I even coached my cameraman on how to pretend he was there for some other reason, in this case to tape my friend's sister getting in the shower.Before you :thumbup: , sorry, he didn't tape her in the shower. :unsure:
 
GregR said:
Road Warriors said:
GregR said:
I was once caught videotaping my opponent entering his lineup into the website.
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But was the camera location accessible by your coaching staff during the entering of the lineup?
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According to my interpretation of the rules, I didn't think it was illegal. I didn't think it was illegal so much that I even coached my cameraman on how to pretend he was there for some other reason, in this case to tape my friend's sister getting in the shower.Before you :goodposting: , sorry, he didn't tape her in the shower. :thumbup:
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:lmao:
 
Buckeyedawgs said:
One owner is still calling me a cheater and happened this year. I was trying to trade J.Wright to the Lewis owner for a bottom end receiver for a one week fill in AS A wr-3. I gave up when he wouldn't offer me anything better then I could find on waivers so I told him I would just dump him for a WR on waivers. And immediately did. One owner had a major problem with this because I had tipped off the owner I was dropping Wright trying to trade him first and the LEWIS owner immediately picked up. One owner in that league was so upset about this he threatened to quit and told me i'd be kicked out of his league for doing this. It just happened to be my brother. I would never intentionally cheat or help any other opponet in any league I play in. But it offended one so bad he called me a cheater. Was I wrong accidently tipping off a owner I was about to dump Wright simpley because I tried to trade him first since he was the Lewis owner? This wouldnt even be an issue if they froze drops until next waiver run like most smart leagues!
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I can't even remember what the J. in J. Wright stands for. How could any transaction involving him be considered cheating?
 
I was called a cheater for bringing a magazine to the draft back in the late 80's or early 90's, no one else had a grogans magazine or fanball but me, they all still had their hand notes. Ahh the good times. Years later the boys thought I was cheating because they all had the same magazine and I was back to hand notes, but I had finally found the early fantasy football websites and created my own up to date cheatsheets. Ahh even better times. Those were the easiest money years. Now everyone seems to have a more equal shot at winning with the spread and ease of finding fantasy information.

 
I don't know about 30 years ago, but we started in the mid 80's, and we got our rules and concepts from a group who had been doing fantasy football for years. So the 70's may not be to far fetched. he was spot on about the draft, calling in your line up to the commish and your opponent each week, having to total your points by hand through the newspaper stats, and then call the commish and your opponet with the total scores. There were a lot of girl friends and wifes who wouldn't take the call for line ups if their man wasn't home. They hated fantasy football more then than they even do now. And lots more beer was involved back then as well.

 
Buckeyedawgs said:
Yep, the good old fashioned way for many years of meeting at a conference room. Drafting over beers all night. Calling in line-ups weekly and useing the paper to acumulate points. Oh, how much I love the internet.
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Started in 95 and this is how we did it. I had a spreadsheet for the teams and to add up points but that was it. A couple of years later I started using the internet to get the stats. Downloading the stat pages from ESPN.com over my brand spankin new 56K modem still sucked even though it was better than my 33.3 modem. Doing stats took like 3 hours every week. But I was the most knowledgeable guy in the league because I read over the stat lines every week very closely because I had to...
 
Buckeyedawgs said:
I got this idea from pintas poll on haveing another owner pick a player off waivers for him and provideing him a draft pick compensation in return. In my 30 years of fantasy life mostly all hi stake leagues I have been called a cheater twice.Here are both instances one happening just this year. I'd like to hear others too. One owner is still calling me a cheater and happened this year. I was trying to trade J.Wright to the Lewis owner for a bottom end receiver for a one week fill in AS A wr-3. I gave up when he wouldn't offer me anything better then I could find on waivers so I told him I would just dump him for a WR on waivers. And immediately did. One owner had a major problem with this because I had tipped off the owner I was dropping Wright trying to trade him first and the LEWIS owner immediately picked up. One owner in that league was so upset about this he threatened to quit and told me i'd be kicked out of his league for doing this. It just happened to be my brother. I would never intentionally cheat or help any other opponet in any league I play in. But it offended one so bad he called me a cheater. Was I wrong accidently tipping off a owner I was about to dump Wright simpley because I tried to trade him first since he was the Lewis owner? This wouldnt even be an issue if they froze drops until next waiver run like most smart leagues! The only other time I was ever called a cheater in 32 years was when I traded the rushing champion J. Anderson for Tiki BARBER. They thought I was nuts and two weeks later J. Andersons career was over. I was looking like a genious, not a cheater. haha Just my guts on Tiki back then as that was the only team I didnt draft TIKI that year and wanted him bad! Just something I picked up in preseason all on my own and the experts all thought Dayne was the future of NY. I won every league that year too! And Tiki probably went on to win me more $$$ then any other stud over the years. I miss him! lol 1. do you think I am guilty of cheating and 2. have you ever been called a cheater? It really does tick me off when being called a cheater. I will never forgive them dudes.
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Perception is everything.
 
roadkill1292 said:
TheFanatic said:
Doing stats took like 3 hours every week. But I was the most knowledgeable guy in the league because I read over the stat lines every week very closely because I had to...
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Indeed, this was a nice little edge for us prehistoric commissioners.
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:goodposting: although in my hockey and baseball leagues, the commish and each team trusted each other enough to make everyone do their own, then turn them in. The commish spot-checked, nobody was ever caught cheating.
 
Never called a cheater but was kicked out of the league by the commish because he thought I wasn't who I said I was. It happened 2-3 years ago, and the commish had advertised on a site that I forget. Anyway he was looking for owners for a new league. He even did interviews online, asking very detailed questions to test your football knowledge. He selected me as one of the owners and all was cool. Sometime after that we were chatting on AIM, and because of the terminology I was using, he accused me of misrepresenting myself. I'm an older guy and was using terminology like, 'sup dude. I saw nothing wrong with it but he obviously thought I was not the older guy I had portrayed, so he said he didn't want me in the league. We got into a big online shouting match, and I told him to stick his league where the sun don't shine. :thumbup: The way I look at it, it was his loss not mine. Definitely one of the strangest FF moments I have ever experienced.

 
Let me get some opinions on this, because I consider it cheating and have called some guys cheats for doing it. Hoarding RBs and carrying only 1 TE & K and then leaving them in as starters during bye weeks. While this is probably an accepted practice to some, I think owners should have to start a full team every week, even if it means dropping RB#8 to pick up a replacement TE or K.

 
relic said:
Let me get some opinions on this, because I consider it cheating and have called some guys cheats for doing it. Hoarding RBs and carrying only 1 TE & K and then leaving them in as starters during bye weeks. While this is probably an accepted practice to some, I think owners should have to start a full team every week, even if it means dropping RB#8 to pick up a replacement TE or K.
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No, this is not cheating. Lighten up.
 
relic said:
Let me get some opinions on this, because I consider it cheating and have called some guys cheats for doing it. Hoarding RBs and carrying only 1 TE & K and then leaving them in as starters during bye weeks. While this is probably an accepted practice to some, I think owners should have to start a full team every week, even if it means dropping RB#8 to pick up a replacement TE or K.
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If your league has rules against starting players on byes and they knew this and still intentionally did it anyway, yes they are cheats. If not, then no, they aren't.There are plenty of circumstances where an owner has to decide between making a move that may help him this week, or not making the move which may help him in future weeks. Sometimes the correct answer is that not making the move would help his gametime efforts more overall even if it means he doesn't do as well this week. Your example is but one of them.

You aren't alone in wanting teams to not have what amount to blank starting lineups spots. Many other people do too. But, not everyone would agree that forcing teams to make a move they believe ultimately worsens their team, is a good thing. I don't know what the percentages are of people's preference, but I don't think it is a topic you'll come anywhere close to unanimous agreement. Either way, as long as the person didn't knowingly try to break a rule, I wouldn't refer to them as a cheat.

 
relic said:
Let me get some opinions on this, because I consider it cheating and have called some guys cheats for doing it. Hoarding RBs and carrying only 1 TE & K and then leaving them in as starters during bye weeks. While this is probably an accepted practice to some, I think owners should have to start a full team every week, even if it means dropping RB#8 to pick up a replacement TE or K.
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You're saying taking a zero is "cheating?" For who? The other guy?Roster management is not cheating, unless your rules state all fantasy starters must be playing that week.
 
Buckeyedawgs said:
One owner is still calling me a cheater and happened this year. I was trying to trade J.Wright to the Lewis owner for a bottom end receiver for a one week fill in AS A wr-3. I gave up when he wouldn't offer me anything better then I could find on waivers so I told him I would just dump him for a WR on waivers. And immediately did. One owner had a major problem with this because I had tipped off the owner I was dropping Wright trying to trade him first and the LEWIS owner immediately picked up. One owner in that league was so upset about this he threatened to quit and told me i'd be kicked out of his league for doing this. It just happened to be my brother.
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Sometimes you make your own luck. First of all, I would be very careful in making deals with a family member as you KNOW some jamoke will take exception to it. So your brother was the Lewis owner and a logical choice to have interest in Wright... and you wanted a "bottom-end" receiver.. but he wouldn't give you one better than waiver caliber? Just curious did he offer you anything? Maybe I wouldn't even have made the offer if I felt the waiver offered better options (just to avoid the cloud of collusion) but once the offer was rejected, I would not have told him I was releasing Wright. I think that is where you crossed a line...*Buckeyedawgs
 
TheFanatic said:
Buckeyedawgs said:
Yep, the good old fashioned way for many years of meeting at a conference room. Drafting over beers all night. Calling in line-ups weekly and useing the paper to acumulate points. Oh, how much I love the internet.
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Started in 95 and this is how we did it. I had a spreadsheet for the teams and to add up points but that was it. A couple of years later I started using the internet to get the stats. Downloading the stat pages from ESPN.com over my brand spankin new 56K modem still sucked even though it was better than my 33.3 modem. Doing stats took like 3 hours every week. But I was the most knowledgeable guy in the league because I read over the stat lines every week very closely because I had to...
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doing it since 89 (jets sucked well into the 90s, so FF was my salvation) man that was worst, live scoring was a god send!
 
tex said:
Never called a cheater but was kicked out of the league by the commish because he thought I wasn't who I said I was. It happened 2-3 years ago, and the commish had advertised on a site that I forget. Anyway he was looking for owners for a new league. He even did interviews online, asking very detailed questions to test your football knowledge. He selected me as one of the owners and all was cool. Sometime after that we were chatting on AIM, and because of the terminology I was using, he accused me of misrepresenting myself. I'm an older guy and was using terminology like, 'sup dude. I saw nothing wrong with it but he obviously thought I was not the older guy I had portrayed, so he said he didn't want me in the league. We got into a big online shouting match, and I told him to stick his league where the sun don't shine. :thumbdown: The way I look at it, it was his loss not mine. Definitely one of the strangest FF moments I have ever experienced.
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Something similar happened to me. I did not use my real name on a ESPN league. The guy asked me to use my real name. I used his. I was summarily replaced without notice by another with better longevity on the site. I felt the same way you did. His loss. I know I'm a good owner...modest and funny.

Another league I was "locked out and not invited back to" had a commish that forced his trades through early, but vetoed similar trades...multiple times...and every year from what I gathered from the other owners. I privately and repectfully emailed him and responded to each of his reasons/excuses. Being in that league is every owners loss. It is essentially the commish and another owner laughing behind the other teams backs year after year while they cheat and nobody stands up to them due to social censure. Still going strong though.

As to the original post, I do not think this is cheating. If you let him know you were going to just drop Wright for a waiver WR, that's just bad negotiating. He probably knew you were going to drop a player and probably Wright even if you didn't tell him. On that note, you should probably strongly suggest at least a 24 hour/1 day waiver period for dropped players.

As far as me being called a cheater, every trade. As a commish, every rule change. For proposing it for a vote to addressing any situation that needs a decision now. I stopped caring about it. I just do my best and as long as I'm satisfied I did the right thing, I'm good.

 
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