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Have you ever done steroids? (1 Viewer)

Have you ever done roids?

  • Yes, and with no regrets.

    Votes: 8 7.9%

  • Yes, but I wish I hadn’t.

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • No, I never had a desire to use steroids.

    Votes: 78 77.2%

  • No, I wanted to, but couldn’t get them.

    Votes: 4 4.0%

  • No, I wanted to, but I was afraid of getting arrested.

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • No, I wanted to, but was afraid of the side effects.

    Votes: 11 10.9%
  • Total voters
    101
Terminalxylem said:
FTR testosterone is a steroid hormone. So is estrogen.
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Yes. I was inferring that rather than considering an attempt to get gear from randoms at the gym or even guys who know what they’re doing to talk to a doctor to see if he qualifies for HRT.

 
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STEADYMOBBIN 22 said:
Yes. I was inferring that rather than considering an attempt to get gear from randoms at the gym or even guys who know what they’re doing to talk to a doctor to see if he qualifies for HRT.
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OK, but I’d be careful with the doctor he chooses (make sure it’s a board certified endocrinologist) as the whole “low T” concept is somewhat controversial and ripe for abuse by unscrupulous practitioners.

 
STEADYMOBBIN 22 said:
Some people take them to get huge and others take them to get cut up.

You still have to work hard to get huge or cut, if people just take steroids and don’t exercise you’ll blow up into a fat sloppy mess. 
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I don't know if they have to work hard. They can put in less time and effort than someone not on the juice and get the same results. Sure, there are those that take roids and are obsessive about working out but no matter the logic, they gain more whatever per time spent than someone not using.

 
sn0mm1s said:
I don't know if they have to work hard. They can put in less time and effort than someone not on the juice and get the same results. Sure, there are those that take roids and are obsessive about working out but no matter the logic, they gain more whatever per time spent than someone not using.
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You absolutely have to work hard to get the physical results. Sure you can lift more weight but it’s still heavy weight. 

The best way I can describe it is that you don’t tire and you’re supremely confident. As a 42 year old man I simply don’t feel like working out. I have to force myself. When you’re on teh juice you can work out all day long. 

So basically you feel great, you have the ability to exercise all day long as well as well as the desire to. But the weights are still heavy, the sun is still hot and you have to eat right.

 
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STEADYMOBBIN 22 said:
You absolutely have to work hard to get the physical results. Sure you can lift more weight but it’s still heavy weight. 

The best way I can describe it is that you don’t tire and you’re supremely confident. As a 42 year old man I simply don’t feel like working out. I have to force myself. When you’re on teh juice you can work out all day long. 

So basically you feel great, you have the ability to exercise all day long as well as the desire to. But the weights are still heavy, the sun is still hot and you have to eat right.
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You don't have to work or motivate yourself nearly as hard as someone off the juice. How is what you said any different than someone not on the juice - except they don't see the same results for working just as hard if not harder and having to motivate themselves more? In my teens/early 20s I worked out all the time. I hit a max bench of 315 weighing only 155. I remember a guy that freshman year was having difficulty doing reps at 135 all of a sudden as a sophomore puts up 350. Don't tell me he worked harder by popping pills/taking shots. Roid users saying they work just as hard is just a self-rationalization to make them think their ill gotten gains are actually earned - they aren't. It is like someone bragging they got 100% on a multiple choice test because they memorized the answers beforehand - and then saying "but I had to memorize A,B,C,D" rather than learn the actual material. 

 
I took them once. I was in the intramural mini-golf playoffs and I was looking for an edge. My teammate shot me up in the buttocks before our matches.  We lost in the finals, but I have no regrets.

 
sn0mm1s said:
You don't have to work or motivate yourself nearly as hard as someone off the juice. How is what you said any different than someone not on the juice - except they don't see the same results for working just as hard if not harder and having to motivate themselves more? In my teens/early 20s I worked out all the time. I hit a max bench of 315 weighing only 155. I remember a guy that freshman year was having difficulty doing reps at 135 all of a sudden as a sophomore puts up 350. Don't tell me he worked harder by popping pills/taking shots. Roid users saying they work just as hard is just a self-rationalization to make them think their ill gotten gains are actually earned - they aren't. It is like someone bragging they got 100% on a multiple choice test because they memorized the answers beforehand - and then saying "but I had to memorize A,B,C,D" rather than learn the actual material. 
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Fudge? 

 
sn0mm1s said:
Supposedly one of my bosses was using at a restaurant I worked in high school. TBH, he was a jerk, but not on the same level as other people I knew. He did give me a guilt trip when I quit working at the restaurant as if I was never going to amount to anything. I suppose it is possible that packing Moo Goo Gai Pan and Goo Lo Yuke for take out might be a matter of national security or something... but I was willing to take my chances and leave the minimum wage security blanket behind.
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Can confirm.   Unfortunately for him I don't think he ever figured out the whole cycle thing.  He would be yoked for a few months and then just look puffy.  Dude actually runs marathons now.   Looks very different.  Still a toolbox though.

Did you know the football player (Eric something) from BHS that committed suicide?  I remember his dad said it was due to steroid use.  He worked at the aforementioned restaurant for a couple of months.

 
sn0mm1s said:
You don't have to work or motivate yourself nearly as hard as someone off the juice. How is what you said any different than someone not on the juice - except they don't see the same results for working just as hard if not harder and having to motivate themselves more? In my teens/early 20s I worked out all the time. I hit a max bench of 315 weighing only 155. I remember a guy that freshman year was having difficulty doing reps at 135 all of a sudden as a sophomore puts up 350. Don't tell me he worked harder by popping pills/taking shots. Roid users saying they work just as hard is just a self-rationalization to make them think their ill gotten gains are actually earned - they aren't. It is like someone bragging they got 100% on a multiple choice test because they memorized the answers beforehand - and then saying "but I had to memorize A,B,C,D" rather than learn the actual material. 
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Results can certainly motivate, especially at plateaus.  I imagine the steroids create other positive factors as well.  I guess I just can’t relate to the risk/reward.  Everybody is different though.

 
McJose said:
Can confirm.   Unfortunately for him I don't think he ever figured out the whole cycle thing.  He would be yoked for a few months and then just look puffy.  Dude actually runs marathons now.   Looks very different.  Still a toolbox though.

Did you know the football player (Eric something) from BHS that committed suicide?  I remember his dad said it was due to steroid use.  He worked at the aforementioned restaurant for a couple of months.
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No, I think was still in junior high when that happened. I only worked there the one summer and about a month or two into the school year. My shift was F,Sa,Su, W from 5-to 9:30 or 10. Once I missed a few football games and parties I decided someone else could pack Chinese food. I still remember getting yelled at because I didn't catch a cockroach going out in a ginormous serving tray of fried rice. It was like a party of 10-12 people and the cockroach apparently was buried under several inches of rice. Owner was so mad because he was having to comp them a huge portion of the bill he yelled at me and Joe for like 10 minutes. I still am not sure what he expected me to do... it wasn't like I had some industrial sized fried rice sifter that I could send the mountain of rice through.

 
McJose said:
Fudge? 
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LOL no. Pretty sure he was never juicing. It was a random kid in my neighborhood that I grew up with. Went from one of the weakest in our group that worked out together to one of the strongest literally over a summer. 

 
sn0mm1s said:
You don't have to work or motivate yourself nearly as hard as someone off the juice. How is what you said any different than someone not on the juice - except they don't see the same results for working just as hard if not harder and having to motivate themselves more? In my teens/early 20s I worked out all the time. I hit a max bench of 315 weighing only 155. I remember a guy that freshman year was having difficulty doing reps at 135 all of a sudden as a sophomore puts up 350. Don't tell me he worked harder by popping pills/taking shots. Roid users saying they work just as hard is just a self-rationalization to make them think their ill gotten gains are actually earned - they aren't. It is like someone bragging they got 100% on a multiple choice test because they memorized the answers beforehand - and then saying "but I had to memorize A,B,C,D" rather than learn the actual material. 
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You seem to be looking for an argument. I never said anything about anyone working harder or didn’t have to work as hard or any of that. I never suggested the guys you lifted with didn’t use steroids. Literally said none of that. 

I simply stated you still have to work hard and the steroids give that ability 10 fold. It’s not even possible for a natural lifter to ever have the capability to work as hard as a steroid user. A steroid use will also be more motivated than  99.99999% of the population because they have that advantage. 

 
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Never had the desire to use anabolics when I was younger but as I get older definitely considering some TRT therapy which is basically steroids.  

 
When you were arguing over whether it matters that it's a naturally occurring substance in the body; made me think of this:  You have to have a strong immune system to handle a bunch of testosterone in your system. That's part of the reason why people with higher, naturally-occurring levels of testosterone are more attractive to the opposite sex. It's because the secondary sexual characteristics that occur due to high testosterone is also a signal of a stronger immune system. Obviously helpful for biological fitness and subsequently, choosing a mate.

 
I went to high school with a guy. He was valedictorian. Ended up succeeding very well at Rice University before transferring to Stanford. He played football in high school, just like his dad, and tried really hard at it. Probably the most-gifted middle linebacker of all time, mentally. Dude could do complex math inside his head with no pencil and paper. Anyway, he always used to "yearn for the opportunity to do one cycle of deca," as he used to say.

 
STEADYMOBBIN 22 said:
The problem with steroids (and all drugs) is that people abuse them.
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It's rough when you see someone who's done them incorrectly. Professional wrestlers come to mind as examples. Old, burnt out ones from the 1980s. A LOT of planning needs to take place before you try something like that, because once you put your body through those types of changes it's irreversible. It's good that they're regulated, because of how dumb a lot of people are, but I think they've gained a bad reputation - a worse reputation than they should have, and that they can be beneficial (and fun) if you are disciplined, humble, and responsible. And some steroids are worse for you than others, which I don't think has been mentioned yet.

 
ChainsawU said:
It's rough when you see someone who's done them incorrectly. Professional wrestlers come to mind as examples. Old, burnt out ones from the 1980s. A LOT of planning needs to take place before you try something like that, because once you put your body through those types of changes it's irreversible. It's good that they're regulated, because of how dumb a lot of people are, but I think they've gained a bad reputation - a worse reputation than they should have, and that they can be beneficial (and fun) if you are disciplined, humble, and responsible. And some steroids are worse for you than others, which I don't think has been mentioned yet.
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Yep. I’ve seen it first hand. Guys (and gals :eek: ) get a taste of it and they just want MOARRRRRRWWW! They go deeper and deeper and the trouble begins. 

On the flip side I know at least 3 guys off the top of my head that take a mild cycle every spring to just feel and look amazing for summer. These are guys who stay in shape year around and by that I mean they just don’t let themselves get into bad shape. 

One of them I am great friends with. His opinion is basically like look,  the positives outweigh the negatives. In his opinion he would rather enhance his life during his 40s, 50s and 60s even if it comes at the expense of living til he’s 90-100. 

IMO a guy who does a cycle for 10 weeks once a year is still going to be healthier than a guy who doesn’t exercise and eats poorly. He’s also often a happier, fit and more productive person. 

It’s a quality of life decision and that really up to the individual. 

 
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ChainsawU said:
It's rough when you see someone who's done them incorrectly. Professional wrestlers come to mind as examples. Old, burnt out ones from the 1980s.
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It’s funny you mention that because the podcast I referenced which inspired this thread was about Vince McMahon’s 1994 trial for allegedly distributing steroids to his wrestlers in the 80s and early 90s.

 
ChainsawU said:
When you were arguing over whether it matters that it's a naturally occurring substance in the body; made me think of this:  You have to have a strong immune system to handle a bunch of testosterone in your system. That's part of the reason why people with higher, naturally-occurring levels of testosterone are more attractive to the opposite sex. It's because the secondary sexual characteristics that occur due to high testosterone is also a signal of a stronger immune system. Obviously helpful for biological fitness and subsequently, choosing a mate.
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You lost me here. How does the immune system have anything to do with testosterone, and vice versa? 

Also, do have have a link supporting high testosterone levels with mating success?

 
STEADYMOBBIN 22 said:
Yep. I’ve seen it first hand. Guys (and gals :eek: ) get a taste of it and they just want MOARRRRRRWWW! They go deeper and deeper and the trouble begins. 

On the flip side I know at least 3 guys off the top of my head that take a mild cycle every spring to just feel and look amazing for summer. These are guys who stay in shape year around and by that I mean they just don’t let themselves get into bad shape. 

One of them I am great friends with. His opinion is basically like look,  the positives outweigh the negatives. In his opinion he would rather enhance his life during his 40s, 50s and 60s even if it comes at the expense of living til he’s 90-100. 

IMO a guy who does a cycle for 10 weeks once a year is still going to be healthier than a guy who doesn’t exercise and eats poorly. He’s also often a happier, fit and more productive person. 

It’s a quality of life decision and that really up to the individual. 
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I’m not sure we know the long term effects of intermittent cycling of anabolic steroids, but it’s possible to eat right, exercise and have a high quality of life in middle age without them.

 
Terminalxylem said:
I’m not sure we know the long term effects of intermittent cycling of anabolic steroids, but it’s possible to eat right, exercise and have a high quality of life in middle age without them.
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Yeah I'm not sure the newer stuff even has to be down cycled.  

 
sublimeone said:
I’ve always been interested in the local radio commercials I hear for HRT. Anyone have any experience?
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Both my wifes uncle and a friend of mine are currently on it. My wifes uncle turned into a savage for about two years and then said the positives wore off. He was on the creme and I think he was just abusing it at first and the doctor dialed him back. 

My friend said hes having a positive experience but I havent spoken to him about it in awhile. I'll ask him about it next time we play basketball. 

 
Terminalxylem said:
So you’re suggesting they can be used continuously without health detriment? Sounds too good to be true, but I’m open to reading about this “stuff” of which you post.
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In the past people took so much juice that they would shut down some systems.  My understanding is the protocol has changed somewhat with lower dosing such that the risk of endocrine damage is less. 

 
Binky The Doormat said:
I am pretty sure I have taken steroids on a number of occasions for asthma and poison ivy.  
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Yeah, OP is obviously talking anabolic steroids here.  I think folks need to realize just like with drugs there are levels to anabolics.  You have your marijuana and mushrooms and then you have your meth and crack.   Never tried it but I hear Tren is some crazy stuff and not for beginners.  

 
Major said:
Yeah, OP is obviously talking anabolic steroids here.  I think folks need to realize just like with drugs there are levels to anabolics.  You have your marijuana and mushrooms and then you have your meth and crack.   Never tried it but I hear Tren is some crazy stuff and not for beginners.  
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well, yeah ...I've done all those too. 

 
In 1998 I went through three bottles of androstenedione that I purchased otc. I was such a dolt I didn't know it was an anabolic steroid. Dr Jene Bramel informed me in messages here. I bought the first bottle because the marketing was impressive at a time when I was eating all kinds of supplements. It made a huge difference in my energy levels and performance in the men's open basketball league. I was 37 playing hoops like I was 22. I loved it. It was useful for everything WebMD says it might be useful for. The increased libido was... um... strong. My soon to be wife kept telling me it was something I was taking but I was sure I was just a sex beast. When I finished the bottle, I forgot about it. Until one day in the pharmacy I remembered. A few months without and bam... superman again. Lather rinse repeat. I love the stuff. No moobs, no zits, not one negative side effect. I was probably lucky in the way I purchased the bottles with a rest between, but maybe not. I would use them again if they were easy to get. 

 
culdeus said:
In the past people took so much juice that they would shut down some systems.  My understanding is the protocol has changed somewhat with lower dosing such that the risk of endocrine damage is less. 
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Maybe, but I’d be more concerned about clotting risk along with damage to the heart, liver and kidneys.

 
Major said:
Yeah, OP is obviously talking anabolic steroids here.  
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Correct.  I should have been more clear to avoid any ambiguity.

Thank you for all the posts from commenters who know the science behind the subject.  They’ve been informative.

 
culdeus said:
Do you have same concerns over the birth control pill?
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 A better comparison is probably hormone replacement therapy in post menopausal women, which has fallen largely out of favor in the medical community. Some women accept the risk though.

But to answer your question, no, I don’t have the same concerns. Do you think the risk:benefit is similar for anabolic steroids?

 
Terminalxylem said:
 A better comparison is probably hormone replacement therapy in post menopausal women, which has fallen largely out of favor in the medical community. Some women accept the risk though.

But to answer your question, no, I don’t have the same concerns. Do you think the risk:benefit is similar for anabolic steroids?
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I mean while Tren is super popular not everyone taking this stuff is doing it for those reasons, the whole LowT thing for what it's worth is doing things in that realm that make some sense.  Dosage for many of these are tiny.

I'm not super dialed into what people are taking but there are open users at the gym I go to that just get the low-t treatment type stuff.  They aren't coming down with gyno or anything and look big but not huge.

I think people have learned that there's a hard cap on this stuff.

 
I workout with a former body builder, he's now in his late 60's and trains the other body builders at the gym.   He's hinted that he can get me anything I need, "you know, to get you where you want to be"  I just laugh it off, and let him know I'm good with my NOXLODE

Besides, who am I trying to impress anyway?

 
culdeus said:
I mean while Tren is super popular not everyone taking this stuff is doing it for those reasons, the whole LowT thing for what it's worth is doing things in that realm that make some sense.  Dosage for many of these are tiny.

I'm not super dialed into what people are taking but there are open users at the gym I go to that just get the low-t treatment type stuff.  They aren't coming down with gyno or anything and look big but not huge.

I think people have learned that there's a hard cap on this stuff.
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Sounds like you are making a lot of assumptions predicated on smaller doses being inherently more safe. While that’s true for some side effects/toxicities, many reactions are idiosyncratic and occur at any dose. To be fair, I don’t think a lot of data exists to quantify the risks. 

If someone genuinely has low testosterone levels, I’m all for supplementation. Short of that, a bit of extra energy and muscle bulk don’t seem worth the downsides of injection drug use for more potent steroids, or the laundry list of side effects ranging from annoying (acne, hair loss, water retention, cough, insomnia), to disturbing (shrunken testes, enlarged breasts, mood lability) to dangerous (cardiovascular and clotting risk, kidney and liver damage, prostate cancer). Especially when one considers it is possible to maintain good health and fitness well into middle age free from PEDs. Or if you must, drink some coffee with a sprinkling of creatine.

 
ChainsawU said:
It's rough when you see someone who's done them incorrectly. Professional wrestlers come to mind as examples. Old, burnt out ones from the 1980s. A LOT of planning needs to take place before you try something like that, because once you put your body through those types of changes it's irreversible. It's good that they're regulated, because of how dumb a lot of people are, but I think they've gained a bad reputation - a worse reputation than they should have, and that they can be beneficial (and fun) if you are disciplined, humble, and responsible. And some steroids are worse for you than others, which I don't think has been mentioned yet.
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So the new stuff - Ostarine, Ligandrol?  Same, better, worse?

 
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So the new stuff - Ostarine, Ligandrol?  Same, better, worse?
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I only know medicines by their mascots like Xyzal the Owl. New sounds better though, but the ones you listed don't ring an immediate bell off the top of my head. Of course I've been watching a lot of on demand television lately. Commercial-free on demand programming. Ligandriol root word sounds like a potential wolf-like mascot. A jacked up wolf with a gleam in his eye who used to bench 135 in high school. Ostarine uses that top-heavy ostrich as their mascot, I know that for sure. Every mascot should just be a bull anyway. They all sound like bull to me.I'm not creative enough.

 
ChainsawU said:
I only know medicines by their mascots like Xyzal the Owl. New sounds better though, but the ones you listed don't ring an immediate bell off the top of my head. Of course I've been watching a lot of on demand television lately. Commercial-free on demand programming. Ligandriol root word sounds like a potential wolf-like mascot. A jacked up wolf with a gleam in his eye who used to bench 135 in high school. Ostarine uses that top-heavy ostrich as their mascot, I know that for sure. Every mascot should just be a bull anyway. They all sound like bull to me.I'm not creative enough.
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Those are the two most popular SARMs out there, I think.  I don't have any desire to take them, but was curious as to their results\popularity versus the heavy stuff.

 
Jeez, for some of you of guys who haven’t used PEDs, you certainly seem familiar with the lingo. I lifted for over two decades and never heard of any of this stuff - did people approach you in the gym and offer it up or did you just research it on your own?

 
culdeus said:
Sarms won't get you jacked, bro.  
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I'm too cheap to buy them.  Read a good bit about them, though.

Trust me, if we met the last thing you'd think was that I was on roids.

 
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