Sabertooth
Footballguy
Well it's pretty hard to say he justifies a Number 5 overall pick already. So far so good, I'd say and if he continues on his path he'll justify it easily.
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V1LL
Footballguy
Shawne Merriman is white?
Pipes
Footballguy
Why limit this to LB's? I think everyone drafted in the top 5, regardless of position, needs to see a Pro Bowl or two in his career to not be considered a bust.
CalBear
Footballguy
Hawk's season was at least as good as Mario Williams and D'Brick, way, way better than Vernon Davis, and basically appropriate for where he was drafted. He didn't tear up the league, but he was a solid contributor with potential to be a good player for a long time. If 2006 is his best season, he wasn't worth the #5 pick, but how many people drafted after him would have been worth it based on their 2006 season? I think he's likely to be a valuable contributor.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
Disagree...there are certain positions you draft at the top...LT, QB, RB, DE etc. You don't see a lot of LBs go top 5 because the skillset isn't as unique.
Michael Fox Fan
Footballguy
Lhucks - since you aren't high on the Hawk pick, based on your comment above, does that mean you think Hawk will NOT make a couple of Pro Bowls? I happen to think Hawk will be a 4-5 time pro bowler. But only time will tell.
Pipes
Footballguy
So Mario Williams won't be a bust if he never makes a probowl?While I agree a LB isn't an ideal top 5 pick AJ appears like he's going to be a very good pro. That really doesn't make him a bust. Why not crack on the Raiders for taking Michael Huff at 7...aren't safeties a dime a dozen?
LHUCKS
Footballguy
If he makes 4-5 he's well worth the pick...I don't think that he will.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
We shall see.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
I didn't say that.
If he ends up being a "good pro" I agree he will not be considereda bust.
Because Huff wasn't getting the media hype that Hawk was.
trader jake
Footballguy
How deep is this hole you're digging going to get LHUCKS?Hawk is a player and clearly your prediction of bust was incorrect...no matter how much you type.
-OZ-
Footballguy
Things we learned todayA) avoid the water in CaliforniaB) NorrisB is a LHucks alias.
PadresLakers
Footballguy
So there is this thread and the Phillips Rivers one... has LHUCKS been right on any player yet in naming busts?
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
You know what they say about throwing peices of poo at the wall.
PizzaDeliveryGuy
extra sausage
The Jacket
Footballguy
Strange bump.
Hawk is neither a bust or a guy who plays anything like a top-five draft pick.
Hawk is neither a bust or a guy who plays anything like a top-five draft pick.
PizzaDeliveryGuy
extra sausage
Not good enough. Ask LHUCKS and his alias NorrisB. He is going to need 200 tackles, 14 sacks, 5 FF, and 5 ints to prove valuable.
Hue G
Footballguy
yeah, they'll both be MVPs someday Two of the biggest busts of the draft in terms of expectations, so far at least
Dusty Rhodes
Footballguy
Ok, I am finally going to say this...... Let me compose myself here..................
I AGREE with LHUCKS
I won't go as far as a bust, but he's definitely not playing like a top 5 pick. He's a very solid LB, but he's no Brian Urlacher.
:gulp: That was difficult
I AGREE with LHUCKS
I won't go as far as a bust, but he's definitely not playing like a top 5 pick. He's a very solid LB, but he's no Brian Urlacher.
:gulp: That was difficult
Warhogs
Footballguy
1. Houston - Mario Williams, DE North Carolina State
2. New Orleans - Reggie Bush, RB USC
3. Tennessee - Vince Young, QB Texas
4. N.Y. Jets - D'Brickashaw Ferguson, OT Virginia
5. Green Bay - A.J. Hawk, LB Ohio State
6. San Francisco - Vernon Davis, TE Maryland
7. Oakland - Michael Huff, DB Texas
8. Buffalo - Donte Whitner, S Ohio State
9. Detroit - Ernie Sims, LB Florida State
10. Arizona - Matt Leinart, QB USC
11. Denver (from St. Louis) - Jay Cutler, QB Vanderbilt
12. Baltimore (from Cleveland) - Haloti Ngata, DT Oregon
13. Cleveland (from Baltimore) - Kamerion Wimbley, DE/OLB Florida State
14. Philadelphia - Broderick Bunkley, DT Florida State
15. St. Louis (from Atlanta through Denver) - Tye Hill, Cb Clemson
16. Miami - Jason Allen, DB Tennessee
17. Minnesota - Chad Greenway, LB Iowa
18. Dallas - Bobby Carpenter, LB Ohio State
19. San Diego - Antonio Cromartie, CB Florida State
20. Kansas City - Tamba Hali, DE Penn State
21. New England - Laurence Maroney, RB Minnesota
22. San Francisco (from Washington through Denver) - Manny Lawson, DE/OLB North Carolina State
23. Tampa Bay - Davin Joseph, G Oklahoma
24. Cincinnati - Johnathan Joseph, CB South Carolina
25. Pittsburgh (from N.Y. Giants) - Santonio Holmes, WR Ohio State
26. Buffalo (from Chicago) - John McCargo, DT North Carolina State
27. Carolina - DeAngelo Williams, RB Memphis
28. Jacksonville - Marcedes Lewis, TE UCLA
29. NY Jets (from Denver through Atlanta) - Nick Mangold, C Ohio State
30. Indianapolis - Joseph Addai, RB LSU
31. Seattle - Kelly Jennings, CB Miami (FL)
32. N.Y. Giants (from Pittsburgh) - Mathias Kiwanuka, DE Boston College
I was not thrilled with the pick when it was made but Hawk is an OK LBer. A disappointment yes but I see some other candidates that seem like bigger busts to me.
2. New Orleans - Reggie Bush, RB USC
3. Tennessee - Vince Young, QB Texas
4. N.Y. Jets - D'Brickashaw Ferguson, OT Virginia
5. Green Bay - A.J. Hawk, LB Ohio State
6. San Francisco - Vernon Davis, TE Maryland
7. Oakland - Michael Huff, DB Texas
8. Buffalo - Donte Whitner, S Ohio State
9. Detroit - Ernie Sims, LB Florida State
10. Arizona - Matt Leinart, QB USC
11. Denver (from St. Louis) - Jay Cutler, QB Vanderbilt
12. Baltimore (from Cleveland) - Haloti Ngata, DT Oregon
13. Cleveland (from Baltimore) - Kamerion Wimbley, DE/OLB Florida State
14. Philadelphia - Broderick Bunkley, DT Florida State
15. St. Louis (from Atlanta through Denver) - Tye Hill, Cb Clemson
16. Miami - Jason Allen, DB Tennessee
17. Minnesota - Chad Greenway, LB Iowa
18. Dallas - Bobby Carpenter, LB Ohio State
19. San Diego - Antonio Cromartie, CB Florida State
20. Kansas City - Tamba Hali, DE Penn State
21. New England - Laurence Maroney, RB Minnesota
22. San Francisco (from Washington through Denver) - Manny Lawson, DE/OLB North Carolina State
23. Tampa Bay - Davin Joseph, G Oklahoma
24. Cincinnati - Johnathan Joseph, CB South Carolina
25. Pittsburgh (from N.Y. Giants) - Santonio Holmes, WR Ohio State
26. Buffalo (from Chicago) - John McCargo, DT North Carolina State
27. Carolina - DeAngelo Williams, RB Memphis
28. Jacksonville - Marcedes Lewis, TE UCLA
29. NY Jets (from Denver through Atlanta) - Nick Mangold, C Ohio State
30. Indianapolis - Joseph Addai, RB LSU
31. Seattle - Kelly Jennings, CB Miami (FL)
32. N.Y. Giants (from Pittsburgh) - Mathias Kiwanuka, DE Boston College
I was not thrilled with the pick when it was made but Hawk is an OK LBer. A disappointment yes but I see some other candidates that seem like bigger busts to me.
hauser42
Footballguy
If you are going to sit around and complain that Hawk should not have been taken, then man up and say what player should have been taken in that spot.
Packers needed to get better at LB and Hawk was the best player at that spot in that draft. You might argue Huff, but he was not an extreme safety that you go pick at 5th overall. Hawk has hepled the Packers have solid players at LB and not worry about filling avoid on the defense for the next ten years. IMO the Pro Bowl is a waste of time, and I hope Hawk never has to go there and play in that mockery of a football game.
Packers needed to get better at LB and Hawk was the best player at that spot in that draft. You might argue Huff, but he was not an extreme safety that you go pick at 5th overall. Hawk has hepled the Packers have solid players at LB and not worry about filling avoid on the defense for the next ten years. IMO the Pro Bowl is a waste of time, and I hope Hawk never has to go there and play in that mockery of a football game.
RBM
Footballguy
I count 4 top 10 picks worse than Hawk has been. Young, Leinert, Huff, Davis
Steady Mooobin
Footballguy
I think Hawk is playing pretty well.
sho nuff
Footballguy
True...he is no Brian Urlacher.One is an MLB...one is an OLB.Ok, I am finally going to say this...... Let me compose myself here..................I AGREE with LHUCKS
I won't go as far as a bust, but he's definitely not playing like a top 5 pick. He's a very solid LB, but he's no Brian Urlacher.:gulp: That was difficult
jojoh07
Footballguy
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
LOL at hucks and Leinart
mr. furley
Footballguy
nice article in the paper the other day in light of Hawk's recent lack of production recently.
barring Mario Williams.. who else do you want on the roster from the top 15? Bush? Ngata would be the next best but do you grab a 350 lb d-tackle at the #5? maybe if he's a pass rush threat and a great run stuffer.
they didn't have a need at tackle, Davis is a complete bust and they had Rodgers at QB... Huff is a bust.. Whitner is a starter but nothing special... Sims? Leinart? Wimbley?
not exactly a top heavy draft flush with studs.
barring Mario Williams.. who else do you want on the roster from the top 15? Bush? Ngata would be the next best but do you grab a 350 lb d-tackle at the #5? maybe if he's a pass rush threat and a great run stuffer.
they didn't have a need at tackle, Davis is a complete bust and they had Rodgers at QB... Huff is a bust.. Whitner is a starter but nothing special... Sims? Leinart? Wimbley?
not exactly a top heavy draft flush with studs.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Bingo.He started off on fire this year...the injury slowed him up for sure...but he is back and not playing great...of course...he is the least of my concern right now at RB for them.Barnett has been plain bad...missing tackles he did not miss last season even...not sure whats up with him.mr. furley said:
mr. furley
Footballguy
tired/inexperienced/ineffective d-line in front of himPickett, Kampman and Jolly are playing way too many snaps. they had a ton of quality depth last year.. this year.. not so much.gotta have someone to slow the guards from firing off the line. he's not a 250lb run stuffing MLB. he needs to be given room to run.
sho nuff
Footballguy
some truth for sure.though...his missed tackles are whats killing me...he is taking some poor angles at times too (it started in the preseason and has kept on through the season).I really think they need someone on that D to step up in a leadership role. Something that has been missing since Leroy Butler was around.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
Phase of the Game
Footballguy
Looks like you were wrong. the BOD=Vince Young.
strykerpks
Footballguy
And 20 minutes later, wrong....again
Phase of the Game
Footballguy
Just a note to the Shark Pool...you have to be careful about what you say about LHUCKS. He loves the report function but I think the mods have him on ignore!
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bonesman
Footballguy
Looks like you were wrong. the BOD=Vince Young.
Although Bush is giving him a run for his money.lsucks only tarnishes his already soiled reputation with chest beating bumps like this.
orly?
buck naked
Footballguy
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cobalt_27
Footballguy
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
nice bump.
the Packers depth at linebacker isn't doing him any favors, but at least Hawk is starting while Young and Leinart are holding the clipboard.
the Packers depth at linebacker isn't doing him any favors, but at least Hawk is starting while Young and Leinart are holding the clipboard.
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Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
Please recognize whose thread you are in and take your logic and reason elsewhere.
King of the Wolfies
Footballguy
this may not be much longer from reporting in Wisconsin today. his plays are already being cut back.
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
That doesn't matter we're in bizarro world. So in order for LHUCKS to be right in his predicition Hawk has to be the bust of the draft which clearly he hasn't been thus far. So, yay bizarro world. I win.
theglorydays
Footballguy
Kitrick Taylor
Footballguy
exactly. Hawk has panned out to be an average NFL linebacker. Has he been worthy of a top 5 pick? Absolutely not. Is he a bust? Absolutely not. I'd still take Hawk over almost half of the top 10 draft choices of that year. Hawk > Young, Davis, Huff, Leinart. Hawk about equal with Bush and Sims. He hasn't panned out as good as Williams, Ferguson or Whitner. 2 of the 3 of which went before him in the draft. Whitner also was considered a real reach at the time. Bottom line is that is wasn't a very good draft for 1st rounders. More busts/mediocre players than usual. Could the Packers have done better with the pick than Hawk? No doubt. But TT clearly sucks anyway. He only pulled 5 starters out of this draft.
