Hawk = BOD (1 Viewer)

[PizzaDeliveryGuy]

I won't say Hawk is a stud, yet, but he's been producing. You might say he's only getting his plays because the rest of the D sucks, so what? He's the #6 LB (in my leagues) as a rookie. Hardly a BUST.

To be clear I said Hawk will disappoint as a top 10 pick because he wont be a playmaker in the NFL.I never said he couldn't tackle...and looking at tackle totals in a vacuum is a poor way of determining ones effectiveness IMHO.If I'm drafting in the top 10 I'm drafting a difference maker...Hawk is going to be exactly what I said he would be, a solid pro that will play for a long time but will never be a high impact linebacker.

Just curious here, what kind of numbers would he have to put up to be worthy of the top 10 pick in your mind?

Bump

 

[-OZ-]

Tell me this.  If Hawk was a black LB from Marshall would be he be getting picked in the top 5?

I might need to make this a poll.

Hawk didn't go to a small school like Marshall he went to OHIO ST. He played against top level talent and no one could keep him away from the football. He has elite measurables and I don't think stop watches care if your black or white.

This just in...the Big 10 sucks.

I guess you missed the Texas game and the Notre Dame game as well. Hawk lived up to the bill in those game from what I can remember. He stuffs the run, moves sideline to sideline and blitz well. Look, I hate the Buckeyes, but you gotta give the guy his props as he's been one of the top LBs in the country on one of the best defenses in the country the last two years.

For my money he looked very average in those games which is partially why I think he should go in the late first/early second.I don't view him as the impact player that everybody else seems to.

Bush/Leinar/Davis...these guys are impact players. Hawk is a solid starter, who may never see a Pro Bowl.

Bump to clarify my position all the way back in April...which was spot on.

What exactly was "spot on"? There's nothing to indicate that Hawk won't see a Pro Bowl. He's played very well and produced already as a rookie. He's quickly become a leader on the defense. You really went out on a limb predicting that Bush would be an impact player.

As for Leinart, while he's played well, his team isn't winning many games. So far, it's difficult to gauge his impact.

Vernon Davis has caught 10 passes for 143 yards and 2TDs. So far, I'd say the jury is still out on him too.

Looks like you're seeing what you want to see.

bump to see if Lhucks can respond here.Bush, of course is an impact player, anyone following the NFL or college, outside of Houston knew that.

Leinart, many of us tagged as our go-to QB last draft, although VY has looked every bit as impressive.

Vernon Davis? What impact has he had? Certainly not more than Hawk at this point.

Spot on? Seems like a stain.

 

[LHUCKS]

I won't say Hawk is a stud, yet, but he's been producing. You might say he's only getting his plays because the rest of the D sucks, so what? He's the #6 LB (in my leagues) as a rookie. Hardly a BUST.

To be clear I said Hawk will disappoint as a top 10 pick because he wont be a playmaker in the NFL.I never said he couldn't tackle...and looking at tackle totals in a vacuum is a poor way of determining ones effectiveness IMHO.If I'm drafting in the top 10 I'm drafting a difference maker...Hawk is going to be exactly what I said he would be, a solid pro that will play for a long time but will never be a high impact linebacker.

Just curious here, what kind of numbers would he have to put up to be worthy of the top 10 pick in your mind?

Bump

I would like to have seen him make more big plays. Sacks, Turnovers, Broken Up Passes, Big Hits that cause fumbles etc. etc. His sack total is pretty good, but it just seems like he'll always just be there doing what's he supposed to do, instead of making a real difference...you can get guys that do what they're supposed to do for less money and for a much lower draft pick.

 

[LHUCKS]

Tell me this.  If Hawk was a black LB from Marshall would be he be getting picked in the top 5?

I might need to make this a poll.

Hawk didn't go to a small school like Marshall he went to OHIO ST. He played against top level talent and no one could keep him away from the football. He has elite measurables and I don't think stop watches care if your black or white.

This just in...the Big 10 sucks.

I guess you missed the Texas game and the Notre Dame game as well. Hawk lived up to the bill in those game from what I can remember. He stuffs the run, moves sideline to sideline and blitz well. Look, I hate the Buckeyes, but you gotta give the guy his props as he's been one of the top LBs in the country on one of the best defenses in the country the last two years.

For my money he looked very average in those games which is partially why I think he should go in the late first/early second.I don't view him as the impact player that everybody else seems to.

Bush/Leinar/Davis...these guys are impact players. Hawk is a solid starter, who may never see a Pro Bowl.

Bump to clarify my position all the way back in April...which was spot on.

What exactly was "spot on"? There's nothing to indicate that Hawk won't see a Pro Bowl. He's played very well and produced already as a rookie. He's quickly become a leader on the defense. You really went out on a limb predicting that Bush would be an impact player.

As for Leinart, while he's played well, his team isn't winning many games. So far, it's difficult to gauge his impact.

Vernon Davis has caught 10 passes for 143 yards and 2TDs. So far, I'd say the jury is still out on him too.

Looks like you're seeing what you want to see.

bump to see if Lhucks can respond here.Bush, of course is an impact player, anyone following the NFL or college, outside of Houston knew that.

Leinart, many of us tagged as our go-to QB last draft, although VY has looked every bit as impressive.

Vernon Davis? What impact has he had? Certainly not more than Hawk at this point.

Spot on? Seems like a stain.

I've stated several times in the shark pool that Leinart is on the verge of being one of the best five QBs in the game. Bush, was doing pretty much what I expected him to do, although I'm surprised at how good the N.O. offense has been...I thought they had a lot of risks heading into the seaon as a whole.

Vernon Davis is a stud, and is probably one of my top buy low candidates right now...his stats are incredibly misleading.

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

Tell me this.  If Hawk was a black LB from Marshall would be he be getting picked in the top 5?

I might need to make this a poll.

Hawk didn't go to a small school like Marshall he went to OHIO ST. He played against top level talent and no one could keep him away from the football. He has elite measurables and I don't think stop watches care if your black or white.

This just in...the Big 10 sucks.

I guess you missed the Texas game and the Notre Dame game as well. Hawk lived up to the bill in those game from what I can remember. He stuffs the run, moves sideline to sideline and blitz well. Look, I hate the Buckeyes, but you gotta give the guy his props as he's been one of the top LBs in the country on one of the best defenses in the country the last two years.

For my money he looked very average in those games which is partially why I think he should go in the late first/early second.I don't view him as the impact player that everybody else seems to.

Bush/Leinar/Davis...these guys are impact players. Hawk is a solid starter, who may never see a Pro Bowl.

Bump to clarify my position all the way back in April...which was spot on.

What exactly was "spot on"? There's nothing to indicate that Hawk won't see a Pro Bowl. He's played very well and produced already as a rookie. He's quickly become a leader on the defense. You really went out on a limb predicting that Bush would be an impact player.

As for Leinart, while he's played well, his team isn't winning many games. So far, it's difficult to gauge his impact.

Vernon Davis has caught 10 passes for 143 yards and 2TDs. So far, I'd say the jury is still out on him too.

Looks like you're seeing what you want to see.

bump to see if Lhucks can respond here.Bush, of course is an impact player, anyone following the NFL or college, outside of Houston knew that.

Leinart, many of us tagged as our go-to QB last draft, although VY has looked every bit as impressive.

Vernon Davis? What impact has he had? Certainly not more than Hawk at this point.

Spot on? Seems like a stain.

I've stated several times in the shark pool that Leinart is on the verge of being one of the best five QBs in the game. Bush, was doing pretty much what I expected him to do, although I'm surprised at how good the N.O. offense has been...I thought they had a lot of risks heading into the seaon as a whole.

Vernon Davis is a stud, and is probably one of my top buy low candidates right now...his stats are incredibly misleading.

Unreal. Dude, you're a real piece of work. Basically, when reality doesn't support your beliefs, you simply make assertions. I don't care if you've stated that Leinart is on the verge of anything. I'd like you to support that assertion.

I'll state it right now: AJ Hawk is on the verge of being one of the five best WLBs in the game. Does that make it true? No, but it should be good enough for you evidently.

VD could be a great player quite soon. But we have little proof of that so far.

 

[LHUCKS]

Unreal. Dude, you're a real piece of work. Basically, when reality doesn't support your beliefs, you simply make assertions. I don't care if you've stated that Leinart is on the verge of anything. I'd like you to support that assertion.I'll state it right now: AJ Hawk is on the verge of being one of the five best WLBs in the game. Does that make it true? No, but it should be good enough for you evidently.VD could be a great player quite soon. But we have little proof of that so far.

This is a fantasy football board based on opinions. There are opinions that can be supported by stats, there are opinions that can be supported by intangible evidence.Sheep look at stats.Sharks look at stats and find anomalies or stats that are misleading so they can prey on the sheep.

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

Unreal. Dude, you're a real piece of work. Basically, when reality doesn't support your beliefs, you simply make assertions.

I don't care if you've stated that Leinart is on the verge of anything. I'd like you to support that assertion.

I'll state it right now: AJ Hawk is on the verge of being one of the five best WLBs in the game. Does that make it true? No, but it should be good enough for you evidently.

VD could be a great player quite soon. But we have little proof of that so far.

This is a fantasy football board based on opinions.

There are opinions that can be supported by stats, there are opinions that can be supported by intangible evidence.

Sheep look at stats.

Sharks look at stats and find anomalies or stats that are misleading so they can prey on the sheep.

Yep, opinions can be supported by stats or intangible evidence. You haven't given us ANY intangible evidence OR meaningful stats. You've just plain asserted opinions. Sorry, but that doesn't offer any value.It's pretty funny -- this is obvious to the entire board -- except you.

 

[parasaurolophus]

i was very dissapointed when the Packers drafted Hawk. I think LB is a position where adequate players can be found for pretty cheap.

I also think LB is an overrated position in general. Give me a great dline and a good secondary and you will always have good linebackers. Give me 3 of the best LBs and a weak Dline and they will not be great for very many games.

Hawk was a very very safe pick from a GM standpoint and will be a solid player. But it was certainly a cop out pick and the easy way out. Thompson knows he cant afford to have a high pick that goes sour. That was the knock on Sherman.

 

[LHUCKS]

i was very dissapointed when the Packers drafted Hawk. I think LB is a position where adequate players can be found for pretty cheap. I also think LB is an overrated position in general. Give me a great dline and a good secondary and you will always have good linebackers. Give me 3 of the best LBs and a weak Dline and they will not be great for very many games. Hawk was a very very safe pick from a GM standpoint and will be a solid player. But it was certainly a cop out pick and the easy way out. Thompson knows he cant afford to have a high pick that goes sour. That was the knock on Sherman.

Agree 100%, and I think my argument got lost in my hyperbole, which is my fault.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Apart from Lofa Tatupu, who lacks ideal measurables but makes up for it with intangibles, what great defenders has the almighty Pac 10 produced in recent years?

T. Suggs

definitely, but he is in his 4th year as a pro already.

 

[azgroover]

Apart from Lofa Tatupu, who lacks ideal measurables but makes up for it with intangibles, what great defenders has the almighty Pac 10 produced in recent years?

T. Suggs

definitely, but he is in his 4th year as a pro already.

Fair enough..Staying with the same team, I suppose Haloti Ngata is doing well. That 4 year mark produced some good guys though. Trufant, Suggs, Lance Briggs, Polamalu, Nick Barnett to name a few.

 

[LHUCKS]

Apart from Lofa Tatupu, who lacks ideal measurables but makes up for it with intangibles, what great defenders has the almighty Pac 10 produced in recent years?

T. Suggs

definitely, but he is in his 4th year as a pro already.

Bruschi...played basketball with him at the rec center during my days at the UofA. :bragging:

 

[gocats]

Apart from Lofa Tatupu, who lacks ideal measurables but makes up for it with intangibles, what great defenders has the almighty Pac 10 produced in recent years?

T. Suggs

definitely, but he is in his 4th year as a pro already.

Bruschi...played basketball with him at the rec center during my days at the UofA. :bragging:

Mike Patterson,Troy P, J. Seau, need I go on?

 

[gocats]

Apart from Lofa Tatupu, who lacks ideal measurables but makes up for it with intangibles, what great defenders has the almighty Pac 10 produced in recent years?

T. Suggs

definitely, but he is in his 4th year as a pro already.

Bruschi...played basketball with him at the rec center during my days at the UofA. :bragging:

Mike Patterson,Troy P, J. Seau, need I go on?

 

[Cowboys#1]

hucks, davis has hands of stone, go back and rewatch the last game, and he has the nerve to call out his qb after the game.

he may be a workout warrior but if he cant catch the ball he's worthless.

 

[LHUCKS]

hucks, davis has hands of stone, go back and rewatch the last game, and he has the nerve to call out his qb after the game.he may be a workout warrior but if he cant catch the ball he's worthless.

His hands aren't that bad actually. He's made some amazing grabs in college. He'll get it together, and he's one of my top buy low candidates right now in dynasties. He has a gear that I've never seen in a TE before...amazing.

 

[PizzaDeliveryGuy]

Apart from Lofa Tatupu, who lacks ideal measurables but makes up for it with intangibles, what great defenders has the almighty Pac 10 produced in recent years?

T. Suggs

definitely, but he is in his 4th year as a pro already.

Bruschi...played basketball with him at the rec center during my days at the UofA. :bragging:

Mike Patterson,Troy P, J. Seau, need I go on?

 

[LHUCKS]

Apart from Lofa Tatupu, who lacks ideal measurables but makes up for it with intangibles, what great defenders has the almighty Pac 10 produced in recent years?

T. Suggs

definitely, but he is in his 4th year as a pro already.

Bruschi...played basketball with him at the rec center during my days at the UofA. :bragging:

Mike Patterson,Troy P, J. Seau, need I go on?

HOF down?

 

[PizzaDeliveryGuy]

Apart from Lofa Tatupu, who lacks ideal measurables but makes up for it with intangibles, what great defenders has the almighty Pac 10 produced in recent years?

T. Suggs

definitely, but he is in his 4th year as a pro already.

Bruschi...played basketball with him at the rec center during my days at the UofA. :bragging:

Mike Patterson,Troy P, J. Seau, need I go on?

HOF down?

No, but apparently "recent" is.

 

[LHUCKS]

Apart from Lofa Tatupu, who lacks ideal measurables but makes up for it with intangibles, what great defenders has the almighty Pac 10 produced in recent years?

T. Suggs

definitely, but he is in his 4th year as a pro already.

Bruschi...played basketball with him at the rec center during my days at the UofA. :bragging:

Mike Patterson,Troy P, J. Seau, need I go on?

HOF down?

No, but apparently "recent" is.

Missed that part.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Apart from Lofa Tatupu, who lacks ideal measurables but makes up for it with intangibles, what great defenders has the almighty Pac 10 produced in recent years?

T. Suggs

definitely, but he is in his 4th year as a pro already.

Mike Patterson,Troy P, J. Seau, need I go on?

Patterson was one of the few I could think of. Polamalu is a good one to mention as well. Seau is probably older than your father and certainly wouldn't qualify as recent by any stretch of one's imagination.Yes, please continue.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

I won't say Hawk is a stud, yet, but he's been producing. You might say he's only getting his plays because the rest of the D sucks, so what? He's the #6 LB (in my leagues) as a rookie. Hardly a BUST.

To be clear I said Hawk will disappoint as a top 10 pick because he wont be a playmaker in the NFL.I never said he couldn't tackle...and looking at tackle totals in a vacuum is a poor way of determining ones effectiveness IMHO.

If I'm drafting in the top 10 I'm drafting a difference maker...Hawk is going to be exactly what I said he would be, a solid pro that will play for a long time but will never be a high impact linebacker.

Dude, bail on this one. You know I dig your stuff, but that's not what you said. You compared him to Katzenmoyer, who was an all-time bustzilla.

 

[NorrisB]

Hawk is nothing special, he reminds me of Scott Fujita

 

[phthalatemagic]

Dude, bail on this one. You know I dig your stuff, but that's not what you said. You compared him to Katzenmoyer, who was an all-time bustzilla.

To be fair, Hawk still hasn't disproven that he will be a top LB, worthy of his draft status. Pretty good rookie year? Sure. Still, not locked in as an excellent LB.....and he was drafted very high.

 

[NorrisB]

Exactly he's put up Scott Fujita #s

 

[LHUCKS]

I used a little hyperbole to get the juices flowing in this thread with the Katzenmoyer comparison, but I stand by what I've said in this thread.

Hawk was so overhyped it was ridiculous...and I was the only person on the planet calling it out...the responses in this thread tell the entire story.

Great White Hype.

 

[NorrisB]

I used a little hyperbole to get the juices flowing in this thread with the Katzenmoyer comparison, but I stand by what I've said in this thread.Hawk was so overhyped it was ridiculous...and I was the only person on the planet calling it out...the responses in this thread tell the entire story.Great White Hype.

 

[LHUCKS]

Rereading the beginning of this thread I was a bit of a #####...unfortunately that tone overshadowed my point here.

 

[PizzaDeliveryGuy]

 

[cstu]

Dude, bail on this one. You know I dig your stuff, but that's not what you said. You compared him to Katzenmoyer, who was an all-time bustzilla.

To be fair, Hawk still hasn't disproven that he will be a top LB, worthy of his draft status. Pretty good rookie year? Sure. Still, not locked in as an excellent LB.....and he was drafted very high.

Year Team G Total Tkl Ast Sacks Int Yds Avg Lg TD Pass Def1996 Baltimore Ravens 14 110 94.0 16 2.5 1 0 0.0 0 0 52006 Green Bay Packers 16 119 82.0 37 3.5 2 31 15.5 25 0 6

 

[Hawk]

Damn, LHUCKS, why you hatin on me? Is it because I like Vince Young?

 

[JohnnyU]

Great White Hype.

What does race have to do with anything? If it was WR or RB I wouldn't say a word, but there are many white linebackers that have been and will be great.

 

[Sabertooth]

Hawk is going to be a force in the league. LHucks completely bricked this one. Once Hawk got his legs under him, he was a force last season.

 

[Sabertooth]

Great White Hype.

What does race have to do with anything? If it was WR or RB I wouldn't say a word, but there are many white linebackers that have been and will be great.

True, the best linebacker in the league is white. And this from a Packers fan.

 

[Bojang0301]

The USC schticks on this board are old, tired, childish and stupid.

 

[sho nuff]

Wow...two Pac 10 guys busting on a Big 10 guy.

He had a very solid season, well worth it at the #5 spot.

The defense was better with him in there. From 2005 -2006 the defense improved in several areas. Getting pressure on the QB, stopping outside rushing...not just crashing the middle. All problems the previous years. And Hawk was big in that improvement.

 

[Jene Bramel]

Dude, bail on this one. You know I dig your stuff, but that's not what you said. You compared him to Katzenmoyer, who was an all-time bustzilla.

To be fair, Hawk still hasn't disproven that he will be a top LB, worthy of his draft status. Pretty good rookie year? Sure. Still, not locked in as an excellent LB.....and he was drafted very high.

Year Team G Total Tkl Ast Sacks Int Yds Avg Lg TD Pass Def1996 Baltimore Ravens 14 110 94.0 16 2.5 1 0 0.0 0 0 52006 Green Bay Packers 16 119 82.0 37 3.5 2 31 15.5 25 0 6

Please don't tell me you're comparing AJ Hawk to Ray Lewis. Hawk may prove himself a very good all-around backer, but he'll never be the run-stuffing, intimidating player Lewis became after his rookie season. IMO, it's also going to be a reach for Hawk to be the player Lewis was in coverage and on the blitz, too, but that's at least possible.

Hawk is going to be a force in the league. LHucks completely bricked this one. Once Hawk got his legs under him, he was a force last season.

I don't know that I'd go so far as to call Hawk a force. A great many of his tackles were made in pursuit downfield and he was still getting washed out at the point of attack late in the season. He looks like he's going to be a solid all-around performer, though, and has a chance to be much better than I thought he'd be.As for the best LB in the league comment, there's a long, long, long way to go to reach that label. He may end up no better than the third best LB in his class when all is said and done.

 

[Sabertooth]

Dude, bail on this one. You know I dig your stuff, but that's not what you said. You compared him to Katzenmoyer, who was an all-time bustzilla.

To be fair, Hawk still hasn't disproven that he will be a top LB, worthy of his draft status. Pretty good rookie year? Sure. Still, not locked in as an excellent LB.....and he was drafted very high.

Year Team G Total Tkl Ast Sacks Int Yds Avg Lg TD Pass Def

1996 Baltimore Ravens 14 110 94.0 16 2.5 1 0 0.0 0 0 5

2006 Green Bay Packers 16 119 82.0 37 3.5 2 31 15.5 25 0 6

Please don't tell me you're comparing AJ Hawk to Ray Lewis. Hawk may prove himself a very good all-around backer, but he'll never be the run-stuffing, intimidating player Lewis became after his rookie season. IMO, it's also going to be a reach for Hawk to be the player Lewis was in coverage and on the blitz, too, but that's at least possible.

Hawk is going to be a force in the league. LHucks completely bricked this one. Once Hawk got his legs under him, he was a force last season.

I don't know that I'd go so far as to call Hawk a force. A great many of his tackles were made in pursuit downfield and he was still getting washed out at the point of attack late in the season. He looks like he's going to be a solid all-around performer, though, and has a chance to be much better than I thought he'd be.As for the best LB in the league comment, there's a long, long, long way to go to reach that label. He may end up no better than the third best LB in his class when all is said and done.

I was referencing Brian Urlacher as being the best. This was in reference to the Great White Hype comment.

 

[Jene Bramel]

Hawk is going to be a force in the league. LHucks completely bricked this one. Once Hawk got his legs under him, he was a force last season.

I don't know that I'd go so far as to call Hawk a force. A great many of his tackles were made in pursuit downfield and he was still getting washed out at the point of attack late in the season. He looks like he's going to be a solid all-around performer, though, and has a chance to be much better than I thought he'd be.

As for the best LB in the league comment, there's a long, long, long way to go to reach that label. He may end up no better than the third best LB in his class when all is said and done.

I was referencing Brian Urlacher as being the best. This was in reference to the Great White Hype comment.

Thought the cheesehead may have been getting a little tight. Thanks for clarifying for my addled brain.

 

[Sabertooth]

Please don't tell me you're comparing AJ Hawk to Ray Lewis. Hawk may prove himself a very good all-around backer, but he'll never be the run-stuffing, intimidating player Lewis became after his rookie season. IMO, it's also going to be a reach for Hawk to be the player Lewis was in coverage and on the blitz, too, but that's at least possible.

Why can't Hawk become the force that Ray Lewis became? Hawk is already an intimidating hitter with the desire to be the best. He's a workout freak who is alway trying to improve the physical and mental aspects of the game. Of course he hasn't killed anybody like Ray, so maybe he can never be as intimidating as Lewis. But on the field, I think he has the physical tools and mental makeup to be great.

 

[Jene Bramel]

Please don't tell me you're comparing AJ Hawk to Ray Lewis.

Hawk may prove himself a very good all-around backer, but he'll never be the run-stuffing, intimidating player Lewis became after his rookie season. IMO, it's also going to be a reach for Hawk to be the player Lewis was in coverage and on the blitz, too, but that's at least possible.

Why can't Hawk become the force that Ray Lewis became? Hawk is already an intimidating hitter with the desire to be the best. He's a workout freak who is alway trying to improve the physical and mental aspects of the game. Of course he hasn't killed anybody like Ray, so maybe he can never be as intimidating as Lewis. But on the field, I think he has the physical tools and mental makeup to be great.

That's a pretty good point. I don't think I'll argue that one.Anyway, I don't agree that Hawk is or will become as explosive and intimidating a hitter as Lewis was in his prime. Workout freak and desire aside, I don't believe that Hawk has the tools to reach the all-around ceiling that Lewis represents. I don't see him as ever being able to make plays through the trash as Lewis did or own the middle of the field as Lewis did. The comparison really isn't a fair one, though, because of the differences between the responsibilities of a MLB and OLB.

I like Hawk, don't read me wrong, and I like him more today than I did in July. I just think it's a stretch to compare the rookie seasons of he and Lewis and expect the same overall game in future seasons.

 

[LHUCKS]

Great White Hype.

What does race have to do with anything? If it was WR or RB I wouldn't say a word, but there are many white linebackers that have been and will be great.

We can't really turn this discussion into a race, marketability and sports discussioin here in the shark pool or it will get locked(a FBG policy I agree with). I'll start a thread/poll in the FFA if you'd like to discuss.

 

[Sabertooth]

Please don't tell me you're comparing AJ Hawk to Ray Lewis.

Hawk may prove himself a very good all-around backer, but he'll never be the run-stuffing, intimidating player Lewis became after his rookie season. IMO, it's also going to be a reach for Hawk to be the player Lewis was in coverage and on the blitz, too, but that's at least possible.

Why can't Hawk become the force that Ray Lewis became? Hawk is already an intimidating hitter with the desire to be the best. He's a workout freak who is alway trying to improve the physical and mental aspects of the game. Of course he hasn't killed anybody like Ray, so maybe he can never be as intimidating as Lewis. But on the field, I think he has the physical tools and mental makeup to be great.

That's a pretty good point. I don't think I'll argue that one.Anyway, I don't agree that Hawk is or will become as explosive and intimidating a hitter as Lewis was in his prime. Workout freak and desire aside, I don't believe that Hawk has the tools to reach the all-around ceiling that Lewis represents. I don't see him as ever being able to make plays through the trash as Lewis did or own the middle of the field as Lewis did. The comparison really isn't a fair one, though, because of the differences between the responsibilities of a MLB and OLB.

I like Hawk, don't read me wrong, and I like him more today than I did in July. I just think it's a stretch to compare the rookie seasons of he and Lewis and expect the same overall game in future seasons.

I'll buy that.

 

[cstu]

Please don't tell me you're comparing AJ Hawk to Ray Lewis.

Hawk may prove himself a very good all-around backer, but he'll never be the run-stuffing, intimidating player Lewis became after his rookie season. IMO, it's also going to be a reach for Hawk to be the player Lewis was in coverage and on the blitz, too, but that's at least possible.

Why can't Hawk become the force that Ray Lewis became? Hawk is already an intimidating hitter with the desire to be the best. He's a workout freak who is alway trying to improve the physical and mental aspects of the game. Of course he hasn't killed anybody like Ray, so maybe he can never be as intimidating as Lewis. But on the field, I think he has the physical tools and mental makeup to be great.

That's a pretty good point. I don't think I'll argue that one.Anyway, I don't agree that Hawk is or will become as explosive and intimidating a hitter as Lewis was in his prime. Workout freak and desire aside, I don't believe that Hawk has the tools to reach the all-around ceiling that Lewis represents. I don't see him as ever being able to make plays through the trash as Lewis did or own the middle of the field as Lewis did. The comparison really isn't a fair one, though, because of the differences between the responsibilities of a MLB and OLB.

I like Hawk, don't read me wrong, and I like him more today than I did in July. I just think it's a stretch to compare the rookie seasons of he and Lewis and expect the same overall game in future seasons.

I didn't mean to imply that Hawk will be as good as Lewis, but you have to respect what he did as a rookie and it compares favorably to one of the all-time greats. He's proven that he has the ability to play the position and while he's probably not on Lewis' ability level he's good enough to be a Pro Bowl caliber LB.

 

[Sabertooth]

Please don't tell me you're comparing AJ Hawk to Ray Lewis.

Hawk may prove himself a very good all-around backer, but he'll never be the run-stuffing, intimidating player Lewis became after his rookie season. IMO, it's also going to be a reach for Hawk to be the player Lewis was in coverage and on the blitz, too, but that's at least possible.

Why can't Hawk become the force that Ray Lewis became? Hawk is already an intimidating hitter with the desire to be the best. He's a workout freak who is alway trying to improve the physical and mental aspects of the game. Of course he hasn't killed anybody like Ray, so maybe he can never be as intimidating as Lewis. But on the field, I think he has the physical tools and mental makeup to be great.

That's a pretty good point. I don't think I'll argue that one.Anyway, I don't agree that Hawk is or will become as explosive and intimidating a hitter as Lewis was in his prime. Workout freak and desire aside, I don't believe that Hawk has the tools to reach the all-around ceiling that Lewis represents. I don't see him as ever being able to make plays through the trash as Lewis did or own the middle of the field as Lewis did. The comparison really isn't a fair one, though, because of the differences between the responsibilities of a MLB and OLB.

I like Hawk, don't read me wrong, and I like him more today than I did in July. I just think it's a stretch to compare the rookie seasons of he and Lewis and expect the same overall game in future seasons.

I didn't mean to imply that Hawk will be as good as Lewis, but you have to respect what he did as a rookie and it compares favorably to one of the all-time greats. He's proven that he has the ability to play the position and while he's probably not on Lewis' ability level he's good enough to be a Pro Bowl caliber LB.

 

[Family Matters]

Another example of hucks OSU bashing with his PAC 10 point of view. Guess he'll never learn. With the number of times he's bashed an OSU player for no reason other than he's an OSU player, and been dead wrong, I'm not sure I can ever take him seriously again.

 

[Sabertooth]

Another example of hucks OSU bashing with his PAC 10 point of view. Guess he'll never learn. With the number of times he's bashed an OSU player for no reason other than he's an OSU player, and been dead wrong, I'm not sure I can ever take him seriously again.

His schtick does get old.

 

[Kleck.]

I'm still plenty happy with the pick.

 

[LHUCKS]

I'm still plenty happy with the pick.

Do you think he's already justified the #5 pick...what will he need to do to justify that pick? A couple of Pro Bowls? Injury free starter? Create more TO's?? Personally, if you draft a LB at #5 I think he needs to at least see a Pro Bowl or two.(and not like a Phillip Rivers Pro Bowl bid, but a bid that is actually deserved)

 

[ImTheScientist]

I'm still plenty happy with the pick.

Do you think he's already justified the #5 pick...what will he need to do to justify that pick? A couple of Pro Bowls? Injury free starter? Create more TO's?? Personally, if you draft a LB at #5 I think he needs to at least see a Pro Bowl or two.