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HBO Series "The Night Of" (1 Viewer)

Doctor Detroit said:
That's not crack they are smoking, it's free base heroin.  Glad you critique generators are up on all the details.  :thumbup:

And Riker's Island has 10k "guests" it's to prison what prison is to prison.  This conversation has now plummeted to the bottom of the gene pool. 
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Fwiw OPP in New Orleans is notorious for taking in prisoners from other places. Here the Sheriff is a businessman, only recently have the Feds intervened to (try to) stop really harrowing goings on.

 
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When Detective Box takes the stand for the second time:

Chandra (with grin):  Detective, welcome back!

Detective Box:. Blank stare 

:lmao:

I could watch just Stone and Box.  Two really superb characters.  

 
The show is a bit of a mixed bag at this point. Positive, negative together. Turturro the vet is becoming a bit of a caricature who mostly chases leads like Columbo, while Chandra the young attorney is doing her first trial like a pro? And if I was a juror I'd believe Box because the inhaler actually puts Nas at the scene of the crime. Double edged sword for Chandra to raise that.

 
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Just looked up the actress who played Chandra. Her wiki page is pretty amazing..pretty accomplished/interesting person:

Karan was born in Wimbledon, London in 1984 to Sri Lankan Tamil parents who had emigrated to Britain from Zambia two years before she was born. She was born and brought up in Wimbledon and attended Wimbledon High School.[5]

Karan went on to study at St Catherine's College, Oxford University[6] and while there began acting in amateur plays including Sunday Morning at the Centre of the World at the Burton Taylor Theatre for which she received rave reviews[7] and was also singled out for her performance in When We Are Married at the Old Fire Station theatre.[8] During her time at Oxford, Karan wrote, directed, produced, and acted in a short film, By Myself, which came in second place in the 2002 Shoestring Shorts Competition.[9]

She began her career as an investment banker (at Hawkpoint and CIBC World Markets) specialising in mergers and acquisitions,[10] before studying for an MA degree in acting[citation needed] at The Arts Educational Schools London.[11]

She carried the 2008 Olympic Torch during its time in London.[12]

 
Otis said:
Just looked up the actress who played Chandra. Her wiki page is pretty amazing..pretty accomplished/interesting person:

Karan was born in Wimbledon, London in 1984 to Sri Lankan Tamil parents who had emigrated to Britain from Zambia two years before she was born. She was born and brought up in Wimbledon and attended Wimbledon High School.[5]

Karan went on to study at St Catherine's College, Oxford University[6] and while there began acting in amateur plays including Sunday Morning at the Centre of the World at the Burton Taylor Theatre for which she received rave reviews[7] and was also singled out for her performance in When We Are Married at the Old Fire Station theatre.[8] During her time at Oxford, Karan wrote, directed, produced, and acted in a short film, By Myself, which came in second place in the 2002 Shoestring Shorts Competition.[9]

She began her career as an investment banker (at Hawkpoint and CIBC World Markets) specialising in mergers and acquisitions,[10] before studying for an MA degree in acting[citation needed] at The Arts Educational Schools London.[11]

She carried the 2008 Olympic Torch during its time in London.[12]
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Very little amazing or outstanding there.  

She was born to seemingly wealthy immigrant parents and attended an expensive, ritzy high school.  She then went to a good college where she acted in some plays and made a short film.  She got hired as an analyst by a second/third tier bank and then went on to do a graduate degree in acting.  She was one of thousands of people who paid to carry the Olympic torch when London hosted the Olympics.

The most impressive part, IMO, is probably her short film.

She is very attractive though.

 
I'm hoping they don't give us closure on it at this point.  There just seems to be so much left to tie up in 1 episode that I fear next week is going to be terribly rushed.

 
This shows what a strong premiere and good acting will get you with me. It's been a few weeks since I've not taken issue with the story, but the acting is great and I just really want to see the finale at this point. 

So so many strange choices made.  Why introduce Chandra/Nas love subplot?  Why introduce all of these new trial elements so late in the game like who owned the house, and even now I still don't understand the need for soooo much foot and cat stuff. Like I get it, the cat allergy maybe led Stone to figuring out about the inhaler stuff. Big deal?  We needed an hour of animal planet to get to that point?  Why couldn't he just rub up on a cat and figure it out?

just odd choices for an otherwise quality piece. 

 
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Maurile Tremblay said:
Naz has already admitted being at the scene of the crime.
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And introducing the inhaler only reminds them of that, no? And his allergy is also another fact that Nas did not tell his lawyers, there's a lot he didn't tell them good and bad. They could have just as easily called a doctor to talk about his allergies. But of course they didn't because Nas didn't tell them.

 
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The defense has to create reasonable doubt in the mind of the jury, so I'm guessing next week will be the step father on the stand? 

There are a lot of moving parts through 7 episodes that aren't going to have an ounce of relevance next week. 

 
Ned said:
I'm hoping they don't give us closure on it at this point.  There just seems to be so much left to tie up in 1 episode that I fear next week is going to be terribly rushed.
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They've got 95 minutes commercial free.  That's essentially a feature-length motion picture.  I think they can pull it off.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
And introducing the inhaler only reminds them of that, no? And his allergy is also another fact that Nas did not tell his lawyers, there's a lot he didn't tell them good and bad. They could have just as easily called a doctor to talk about his allergies. But of course they didn't because Nas didn't tell them.
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But the inhaler now has the story that the police removed evidence from the chain.  And there is a knife missing.  It connects.  At least, they hope it does.  Couple that with the lead investigator saying that they didn't interview 2 people and didn't even know about them.  I think they are getting closer to reasonable doubt.  Don't know if they are there yet though.

 
Tom Skerritt said:
I'm starting to think Naz killed her. 
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Well, they dropped a hint last night that he did not - when they showed a body of another girl killed in the same manner.

Having said that, I'll leave open the possibility that Freddy/Omar had something to do with the 2nd body - using one of his outside crew to make it look like Naz is not the killer. :shrug:  

I think the "kiss" will come back to haunt the lawyer - we saw it on camera, and in the scenes from next week we heard, what I think was - Stone giving the closing arguments.  So, the lawyer either steps away, Naz tells her to step down (based on Freddy's advice), or there are some ethical charges filed, requiring her to step down.

I still think this ends in a Naz conviction at trial, followed immediately by a motion for new trial on the basis that the prosecution did not turn over potentially exculpatory evidence - the new crime that appears to be identical - and in the end, Naz walks out of Rikers a "free" man.  Obviously nothing will be the same.  Naz is probably indebted to Freddy, and is better equipped to work for Freddy on the outside, than anything else right now - unless he can magically transform back to old Naz - which I doubt.  His family is literally in shambles - mom has disowned him, they sold most of their possessions, Dad lost his cab medallion, etc.  

Ultimately, this is a bad case - Naz is not the killer, and so he and his family were thrown into a bad situation.  But, almost all of it boils down to a series of bad decisions by Naz - going to the party, taking the cab, picking up the girl, taking the drugs, panicking afterwards (though that at least makes some sense), and then the slew of bad decisions made in jail - even accepting that some decisions were made in self-preservation mode.

 
El Floppo said:
I'm continuing to think that they aren't going to show us who killed her. (which is better, IMO). 
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How is that better?  Investing 10 hours into a story with no conclusion is a waste of time.  If you just want to show how a person can affect their family, you could have done that with us knowing the culprit from day 1. 

 
Sinn Fein said:
Well, they dropped a hint last night that he did not - when they showed a body of another girl killed in the same manner.
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I don't think the two had anything to do with each other.  It was just a preachy bit about "rich white girl = news, black hooker = no one cares."

 
bigmarc27 said:
How is that better?  Investing 10 hours into a story with no conclusion is a waste of time.  If you just want to show how a person can affect their family, you could have done that with us knowing the culprit from day 1. 
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I don't need definitive finality or resolution with this kind of thing... kind of cheapens it, IMO. I prefer having subtlety and room for interpretation. would seem to be a better fit for a show about some of the inner workings of the legal system- a system that is about never really knowing the absolute truths, just getting a group of people to buy one version or story about it.

but that works if the rest of it works- and so far the rest of it has been too up and down for me to be convinced that it will the writers will do a good job resolving it well.

 
El Floppo said:
I don't need definitive finality or resolution with this kind of thing... kind of cheapens it, IMO. I prefer having subtlety and room for interpretation. would seem to be a better fit for a show about some of the inner workings of the legal system- a system that is about never really knowing the absolute truths, just getting a group of people to buy one version or story about it.

but that works if the rest of it works- and so far the rest of it has been too up and down for me to be convinced that it will the writers will do a good job resolving it well.
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I'm just tired of every show providing endings that are open-ended. I don't see it as interpretation anymore, I see it as "I don't know how to end this, so let's just be really vague and no one can call us out on it."

 
bigmarc27 said:
How is that better?  Investing 10 hours into a story with no conclusion is a waste of time.  If you just want to show how a person can affect their family, you could have done that with us knowing the culprit from day 1. 
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The story is the court case and the system, not who actually was responsible for the murder. I am not expecting clear resolution on who did it. Which is often how it goes in real life. A lot of murder cases are not slam dunks and end up with doubt over who did it.

bigmarc27 said:
I don't think the two had anything to do with each other.  It was just a preachy bit about "rich white girl = news, black hooker = no one cares."
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It was definitely that too, but people turning up stabbed 20+ times isn't exactly a common occurrence in NYC. That would be relevant to the Naz investigation but the emphasis on his proximity to retirement and with the case already at trial and nearing closing arguments - not to mention his disdain at having his credibility questioned - it's looking like he is again going to pass on following up on that.

 
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bigmarc27 said:
I'm just tired of every show providing endings that are open-ended. I don't see it as interpretation anymore, I see it as "I don't know how to end this, so let's just be really vague and no one can call us out on it."
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You think it's challenging to say so and so did it? It isn't. Leaving it vague gets way more people hot and bothered than any neatly tied up conclusion. Just ask David Chase.

 
bigmarc27 said:
I'm just tired of every show providing endings that are open-ended. I don't see it as interpretation anymore, I see it as "I don't know how to end this, so let's just be really vague and no one can call us out on it."
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it's either done well or it isn't. IMO, if they showed the actual murder and who did it, it would cheapen the show and the story they're trying to tell (which isn't who did it, but more what the journey through the legal system is like).

 
Yankee23Fan said:
But the inhaler now has the story that the police removed evidence from the chain.  And there is a knife missing.  It connects.  At least, they hope it does.  Couple that with the lead investigator saying that they didn't interview 2 people and didn't even know about them.  I think they are getting closer to reasonable doubt.  Don't know if they are there yet though.
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I can't remember what scene it was now (getting old) but I blurted out loud "that's reasonable doubt" at one point last night. I think they're there. 

 
Agree that I want to see some sort of resolution to who the actual killer is. 

I'm leaning that Naz gets convicted, but then we see the real killer out there doing his thing.  

My buddy thinks that Naz gets off, but then gets out of prison and kills for MkW as a favor.

 
Ned said:
I'm hoping they don't give us closure on it at this point.  There just seems to be so much left to tie up in 1 episode that I fear next week is going to be terribly rushed.
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I was thinking the ending will be, "We, the jury, find the defendant ..." FADE TO BLACK

 
If I had to bet money right now I think I'm leaning towards Naz gets off and has to end up being indebbted to Freddie on the outside and turns into a drug dealer/enforcer of some kind and the final scene is him getting killed in a bad deal.  I'm not convinced yet, though, that he is actually innocent.

 
bigmarc27 said:
No wonder they hate Uber so much. 
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This has been a theme in NO as well but here there are lawyers and politicians who own the licenses. I know for a fact in a neighboring parish that the only way Uber got to operate there was by cutting certain powerful people into the deal. I am guessing that happened in NO too.

 
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Another thing that gets me is how Nas is risking years in jail with the insane stuff that Freddy has him into. Rationally he would know that he refused to make a confession in open court and risked life in jail and that it would be senseless to just additionally risk everything on the inside at the same time.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
Another thing that gets me is how Nas is risking years in jail with the insane stuff that Freddy has him into. Rationally he would know that he refused to make a confession in open court and risked life in jail and that it would be senseless to just additionally risk everything on the inside at the same time.
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He's a sociopath.  I think that has been made to be as obvious as they can make it without actually telling you he has a clinical diagnosis.  He all but admitted it when he told the story of pushing the kid down the stairs.  If he incapable of feeling any amount of empathy at all (assuming his story on his feelings, or lack thereof, was true) then he is the textbook example.

Look at what we know about him - attacked two students in his previous school; admits to not feeling a thing at the stairs incident at all; new school in the first episode he was quiet and shy in that first locker room scene and very submissive in his mannerisms; he was very submissive with the victim; he showed literally almost no emotion in the jail house in the first episode of any kind until the frisked him; for an innocent guy he has never broken down sobbing with his lawyers or his parents begging them to help him; his actions in prison all tie into sociopathic behavior on the level that a psych 101 student would catch it.  Even in the incident where Freddy was going to let him beat the guy that burned his bed he hesitated until the guy verbally abused him and then he beat him.

We've been shown a story that lends itself to him being forced to do all of this stuff against his will and that the system is doing it to him.  You can make a pretty strong argument that he was always a sociopath and the system is just bringing it out of him and he is actually fairly comfortable in his skin at the moment.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
Another thing that gets me is how Nas is risking years in jail with the insane stuff that Freddy has him into. Rationally he would know that he refused to make a confession in open court and risked life in jail and that it would be senseless to just additionally risk everything on the inside at the same time.
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I think they did a good job of showing that he really didn't have any choice if he wanted to survive. The bed being caught on fire, the oil/water burn etc.  He tried to not get caught up with Freddy, and they showed him delay a few episodes, but after awhile he had no choice.

 
Spin said:
I think they did a good job of showing that he really didn't have any choice if he wanted to survive. The bed being caught on fire, the oil/water burn etc.  He tried to not get caught up with Freddy, and they showed him delay a few episodes, but after awhile he had no choice.
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Pieces of it were done for survival, but stuff like the knuckle tats fly in the face of just trying to survive and lead you more to believe he's a sociopath. His character had an abrupt change from episode one. He was soft spoken and kind, then presumably a few months later he has tats saying "sin" and something else (evil?) for everyone to see. 

 
bigmarc27 said:
Pieces of it were done for survival, but stuff like the knuckle tats fly in the face of just trying to survive and lead you more to believe he's a sociopath. His character had an abrupt change from episode one. He was soft spoken and kind, then presumably a few months later he has tats saying "sin" and something else (evil?) for everyone to see. 
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bad :lmao:

 
No way that the father would sell his third of the medallion for $75k.  He could actually hold the other two "hostage" by refusing to go ahead with their plans until they agreed on a fair price.

 
I will say it again. The first 4 episodes were outstanding. Episode 5...it started to get strange. 6 and 7 off the rails for me. But I am invested. Looking forward to the series finale and seeing what happens.

 
bigmarc27 said:
Pieces of it were done for survival, but stuff like the knuckle tats fly in the face of just trying to survive and lead you more to believe he's a sociopath. His character had an abrupt change from episode one. He was soft spoken and kind, then presumably a few months later he has tats saying "sin" and something else (evil?) for everyone to see. 
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I agree with that.  The tattoos are strange.  I think the wolf tattoo is another call back to Call of the Wild, which is about a domestic dog who eventually becomes a leader of a pack of wild wolves, or something like that.  That's what essentially the theme of this show seems to be going.  

 
Mine cut out right as she was reading the tv forensics guys compliment of the cops forensic guy. Where did that go and did I miss anything else of note?

 
Colts Win said:
Mine cut out right as she was reading the tv forensics guys compliment of the cops forensic guy. Where did that go and did I miss anything else of note?
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He gave up the charade and admitted to being the killer.  After the collective sounds of the gallery stopped and the judge finally got the room back into order, the limo guy stormed in dressed like Samson, called the prosecutor an evil Delilah and shot her with a gun he snuck in in his hair wig.  Stone grabbed his co counsel and threw himself over her to protect her on the ground, knocking his shoes off revealing the rashes had returned and he didn't even realize it yet, and Naz just sat there without emotion and took a puff of his inhaler.

 
Yankee23Fan said:
He gave up the charade and admitted to being the killer.  After the collective sounds of the gallery stopped and the judge finally got the room back into order, the limo guy stormed in dressed like Samson, called the prosecutor an evil Delilah and shot her with a gun he snuck in in his hair wig.  Stone grabbed his co counsel and threw himself over her to protect her on the ground, knocking his shoes off revealing the rashes had returned and he didn't even realize it yet, and Naz just sat there without emotion and took a puff of his inhaler.
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But what happened with the cat?

 
Dickies said:
But what happened with the cat?
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The chinese doctor took him as payment for something.  I expect we will get one more scene next week with that guy eating some kind of dish and Stone sneezes and can't figure out why.  Then as he is walking out........ he knows.  End show.

Turns out, the entire thing is really about how one drug filled night of sex and passion can cause a series of events that turns a normal ordinary house cat into...... dinner.

 
bigmarc27 said:
I'm just tired of every show providing endings that are open-ended. I don't see it as interpretation anymore, I see it as "I don't know how to end this, so let's just be really vague and no one can call us out on it."
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Unless every single character dies and the world explodes (or space itself, to include about 2 dozen TV shows), you've been tired of every TV series ever? Where's the line? Even if one of the main character(s) die, their kids, friends, coworkers, pool boys, etc..... go on.  

 
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