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HBO - Song of Ice&Fire Series -Varsity Thread - no TV only whiners (4 Viewers)
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Abrantes
Footballguy
SeveredHorseHeads
Footballguy
A Dance with Dragons came out in 2011. It's 2014 and we don't even have a release date for Winds of Winter. I don't see any scenario where the show is going to be able to buy enough time for him to finish. I'm just hoping he finishes before croaking at this point.
flysack
Footballguy
That's right. Instead he wakes up the Others. Nice going, ########.
ETA: holy crap, what if the horn was actually there, but Mance didn't find it before the Others began attacking him? i.e. the Others have the horn? That could make for some interesting and crazy story...
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sn0mm1s
Footballguy
He doesn't wake up the Others - he went looking for the horn because he needed a guaranteed way to get past The Wall. The Night's Watch has the horn - or at least the one that Mance dug up.
Uruk-Hai
Footballguy
The one Sam has with him in Oldtown, you mean - right?
sn0mm1s
Footballguy
No, Melisandre supposedly burned the horn Mance found when she burned fake Mance/real Rattleshirt. Later Tormund tells Jon the horn was a fake and that Mance never found the real horn.
So Melisandre either destroyed/or didn't destroy the real/fake horn - but no matter what combination you choose the horn Mance found and that we were shown in the books is/was at The Wall controlled by The Watch.
Some people think Sam's horn is the Horn of Joramun - others think it might be Victarions *shrug*. I don't think that is what the poster was referring to though.
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Uruk-Hai
Footballguy
No, Melisandre supposedly burned the horn Mance found when she burned fake Mance/real Rattleshirt. Later Tormund tells Jon the horn was a fake and that Mance never found the real horn.
So Melisandre either destroyed/or didn't destroy the real/fake horn - but no matter what combination you choose the horn Mance found and that we were shown in the books is/was at The Wall controlled by The Watch.
Some people think Sam's horn is the Horn of Joramun - others think it might be Victarions *shrug*. I don't think that is what the poster was referring to though.
So Melisandre either destroyed/or didn't destroy the real/fake horn - but no matter what combination you choose the horn Mance found and that we were shown in the books is/was at The Wall controlled by The Watch.
Some people think Sam's horn is the Horn of Joramun - others think it might be Victarions *shrug*. I don't think that is what the poster was referring to though.
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shuke
Black Ice Skeptic
No, Melisandre supposedly burned the horn Mance found when she burned fake Mance/real Rattleshirt. Later Tormund tells Jon the horn was a fake and that Mance never found the real horn.
So Melisandre either destroyed/or didn't destroy the real/fake horn - but no matter what combination you choose the horn Mance found and that we were shown in the books is/was at The Wall controlled by The Watch.
Some people think Sam's horn is the Horn of Joramun - others think it might be Victarions *shrug*. I don't think that is what the poster was referring to though.
So Melisandre either destroyed/or didn't destroy the real/fake horn - but no matter what combination you choose the horn Mance found and that we were shown in the books is/was at The Wall controlled by The Watch.
Some people think Sam's horn is the Horn of Joramun - others think it might be Victarions *shrug*. I don't think that is what the poster was referring to though.
Arsenal of Doom
Footballguy
The show produces also recently said it's going 7 seasons, which means only 3 more after the current.
babydemon90
Footballguy
Why are we using spoilers in this thread?
Uruk-Hai
Footballguy
jplvr
Footballguy
#### if I know.
I thought I posted in the book thread, but apparently not this one. I've been wondering if I was in the right place.
sn0mm1s
Footballguy
flysack
Footballguy
I'm pretty sure this was suggested. At least this is what I took away from the books when I read them last year. Mance was digging for the horn and he dug too deep in the wrong place and woke up the Others.sn0mm1s said:
ETA: Ygritte is the one who said this, to Jon.
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flysack
Footballguy
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
I put stuff in spoilers since not everyone has read all five books.
sn0mm1s
Footballguy
No, it was implied he released a bunch of ghosts (not Others) because he was digging up graves and tombs in his search for the horn. The reason he united all the people north of The Wall was because they couldn't fight the Others and needed to get all the wildlings/giants to the other side of The Wall.
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The quote you are looking for is:
"I am crying because we never found the Horn of Winter. We opened half a hundred graves and let all those shades loose in the world and never found the Horn of Joramun to bring this cold thing down."
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Sabertooth
Footballguy
I read about as fast as my 4th grader. I bet I could start A Game of Thrones tonight and take the next 3 years to complete the series and I'd still be done before GRRM has Winds of Winter out.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
- Mike Bona @bonefish914 Jan 24
@JaneJohnsonBakr years away as in 2015 at the earliest? Was certainly expecting this but the 'years' scares me...
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Jane Johnson @JaneJohnsonBakr Jan 24
@bonefish914 Certainly not this year.
JerseyToughGuys
Tough Guy
rewatching season 3.
They have done a fantastic job with the adaptation.
During the first go around, I was preoccupied with all the changes/differences. This time, I'm just watching and some of the best scenes are completely original. a few just off the top of my head:
- Cat confessing she wished death upon John, then nursed him back to health, then curses herself for doing (and taking blame for all of the subsequent stark misfortune bc she couldn't love a motherless child)
- Lady Olena and Varys
- Margery's manipulation of Joffrey
Even though the climax to the Dany/Slaver scene was telegraphed (I think it was in the books too), its fantastic in the show.
Fun stuff.
They have done a fantastic job with the adaptation.
During the first go around, I was preoccupied with all the changes/differences. This time, I'm just watching and some of the best scenes are completely original. a few just off the top of my head:
- Cat confessing she wished death upon John, then nursed him back to health, then curses herself for doing (and taking blame for all of the subsequent stark misfortune bc she couldn't love a motherless child)
- Lady Olena and Varys
- Margery's manipulation of Joffrey
Even though the climax to the Dany/Slaver scene was telegraphed (I think it was in the books too), its fantastic in the show.
Fun stuff.
shuke
Black Ice Skeptic
EYLive
Footballguy
Sabertooth
Footballguy
flysack
Footballguy
Naked boobies always make women more sympathetic.
I was thinking of her expanded role as a protector of Sansa. That scene at the docks when Sansa is talking with Petyr Baelish, and the prostitute tells Shae to beware of Petyr around Sansa. Shae immediately goes to Tyrion about it. I don't recall that from the novel. From my shoddy recollection, that scene was written into the TV show.
In general the character felt more expanded in the show than in the novels. Again, it's been a year since I read the books and awhile since I watched season 3. But that was the impression. I am a sucker for boobies though...
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flysack
Footballguy
In the previews we see Tyrion in irons, so I'm guessing it'll end much the same way as the corresponding novel: with Tyrion escaping the dungeons...and we all know what he does on his way out. Halfman justice.
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(Smash)
My guess is this season will end before the escape/crapper scene. It will get through Tyrion's trial, and trial by combat - but we'll be left with him in the dungeon awaiting his fate.
The "big" episode has typically been the 2nd to last of the season - so maybe that is the climax - but it seems like they would have to get though an awful lot to get from the wedding to the trial, to the trial by combat, and then have the escape all by the 9th episode.
SeveredHorseHeads
Footballguy
I expect the wedding to be early in the season and we'll get all the way through the crapper scene.
Swing 51
Footballguy
GRRM wrote episode 2 of season 4 and he usually pens the "holy ####" episodes.
The title of that episode is "The Lion and the Rose" which makes sense.
I don't think TV series will have Tyrion kill Shae. My guess is they will have Tywin kill her (or order her killed).
babydemon90
Footballguy
babydemon90
Footballguy
Only 9 episodes?My guess is this season will end before the escape/crapper scene. It will get through Tyrion's trial, and trial by combat - but we'll be left with him in the dungeon awaiting his fate.
The "big" episode has typically been the 2nd to last of the season - so maybe that is the climax - but it seems like they would have to get though an awful lot to get from the wedding to the trial, to the trial by combat, and then have the escape all by the 9th episode.
edit: didnt realize this only had 10 per season. I think you're right, 10 episodes isn't much, but who knows. I mean season 1 seemed like a lot to cover, but they did it.
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parrot
Footballguy
CBusAlex
Footballguy
I think they break the "holy-#### moments in episode 9" formula somewhat this season. The trial by combat will be in episode 9. To the non-readers, it'll feel like a holy-#### moment (everyone's favorite character is going to die!). Then Tywin, Littlefinger's reveal, and Lady Stonehart will all be towards the end of episode 10. I could actually picture the last shot of this season being Lysa falling from the moon door, in the same style that S1E1 ended with Bran falling from the tower.The "big" episode has typically been the 2nd to last of the season - so maybe that is the climax - but it seems like they would have to get though an awful lot to get from the wedding to the trial, to the trial by combat, and then have the escape all by the 9th episode.
I mean, they did Ned's death in episode 9, which was big, but what did episode 10 of that season bring us? ####ing dragons, that's what.
parrot
Footballguy
For the most part, they have stayed pretty true to the central events in the book. I fully expect Tyrion to kill both Tywin and Shae.
SeveredHorseHeads
Footballguy
I don't see why they would treat Shae any differently in the shows. It seems like in the previews they show her looking up from a bed looking surprised which I think would be from the scene in the tower - maybe I'm reading too much into it. They have also shown the interlocking hands chain on Tyrion several times. Any changes they made to her character just make her betrayal even more devastating for Tyrion, IMO.
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sn0mm1s
Footballguy
Yes, in the books Shae doesn't care at all about Sansa. The show (early on) made Cersei and Catelyn more sympathetic as well. IIRC the show had Cersei say she lost a child of Robert's after it was born to help comfort Catelyn when Bran was in his coma - neither the scene nor Cersei having one of Robert's kids was ever in the novels.
Naked boobies always make women more sympathetic.
I was thinking of her expanded role as a protector of Sansa. That scene at the docks when Sansa is talking with Petyr Baelish, and the prostitute tells Shae to beware of Petyr around Sansa. Shae immediately goes to Tyrion about it. I don't recall that from the novel. From my shoddy recollection, that scene was written into the TV show.
In general the character felt more expanded in the show than in the novels. Again, it's been a year since I read the books and awhile since I watched season 3. But that was the impression. I am a sucker for boobies though...
The other one (which I was annoyed they watered down) was Catelyn ripping into Jon when he comes to say farewell to Bran before leaving for The Wall.
I could see this - sort of - still think Tywins death ends episode 9 if it is this season. Episode 10, will be about wrapping up the other story lines, and Tyrion getting on the boat. Definitely could see Lysa falling in episode 10.I think they break the "holy-#### moments in episode 9" formula somewhat this season. The trial by combat will be in episode 9. To the non-readers, it'll feel like a holy-#### moment (everyone's favorite character is going to die!). Then Tywin, Littlefinger's reveal, and Lady Stonehart will all be towards the end of episode 10. I could actually picture the last shot of this season being Lysa falling from the moon door, in the same style that S1E1 ended with Bran falling from the tower.The "big" episode has typically been the 2nd to last of the season - so maybe that is the climax - but it seems like they would have to get though an awful lot to get from the wedding to the trial, to the trial by combat, and then have the escape all by the 9th episode.
I mean, they did Ned's death in episode 9, which was big, but what did episode 10 of that season bring us? ####ing dragons, that's what.
I also think Tyrion kills the #### out of Shea - they will build up the betrayal though the trial, and may even show Shae with Tywin during the trial. He'll still choke her right before he gets to Tywin.
flysack
Footballguy
flysack
Footballguy
Wrong. When Cersei meets Ned in the godswood in Book I, she reveals that she did get pregnant by Robert once, but her and Jaimee found a guy to abort it.
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babydemon90
Footballguy
Isn't killing Shae though a big part of what the character of Tyrion struggles with? Dunno, I don't see them straying so far from the story.
Pretty true to central events, but Tyrion's character is whitewashed a bit on TV - character is much more grey in book. Tyrion killing Tywin is a "central event" but Tyrion killing Shae is not. Tywin killing Shae provides more justification for Tyrion killing Tywin, keeps with clearly having Tyrion as a "good guy" for TV viewers.
Maybe I am wrong, but I just can't see TV Tyrion killing Shae. I think Shae somehow escaping with Sansa is more likely than that.
babydemon90
Footballguy
Jamie "helps Tyrion a great deal" this season. Did he help him much outside of escaping?
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