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HBO - Song of Ice&Fire Series -Varsity Thread - no TV only whiners (2 Viewers)

Sabertooth said:
Did Brienne and Hound fight in the books? I don't recall that. It was so long ago that I was surprised. I don't ever remember her being badass enough to take out the Hound.
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No. IIRC they never crossed paths. She got into a fight with Biter and Rorge. Of course the Hound killed them a few weeks back so...

 
JerseyToughGuys said:
Leeroy Jenkins said:
I didn't like that they skipped the whole first marriage whore story though.
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Yep. Made it all about shae.

Shame
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you have to remember, besides a small conversation in season 1, they hardly mention his first wife. For the show it made much more sense to make it more Shae centric.

interesting about the Jamie/Tyrion farewell too, make you wonder if they meet again and make up in the books?

 
The changes to Brienne's story line were great. No one wants to watch her fool's errand. The fight scene with the Hound was epic.

I have to admit, they could have done a better job with Tyrion's escape. I was bummed about no altercation with Jamie and no "wherever whores go."

These are nitpicks, though. It was an excellent episode.

 
The Hound did everything he could to get Arya to finish him off. But since she didn't, is here any chance that the Hound doesn't die?

 
Honest question, has a #### kick/punch ever been shown on screen before? Amazing fight scene.

Surprised at last year and this years final scenes. They went shocker/cliffhanger 1st two seasonS, but now sort of just "well alrighty then, moving the story along."

 
Apathetic said:
Guess we'll never know where whores go :/
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much of that angst is in his head, and was never explored in the show.... Probably simpler for the on-screen experience to make it about Shae.

I don't mind them not having him fight with jaime - him leaving being grateful is a fine split, especially if they're skipping the ex-wifewhore part.

Was surprised we got nothing on the Stoneheart angle though.

 
Solid ending for non-book viewers but I think the writers have made strange departures from source material this season. Bronn and Tyrion discussed what happened to Tysha - why leave off that angle? I thought the whole Shae/Tywin/Tyrion/Jaime/Varys interaction missed on a lot of fronts.

The extended skeleton fighting scene was a little meh. Jojen dying pretty much means he is likely not an important part in the books (this was sort of hinted at anyway but offing him here confirms it).

 
You sure you've all read teh books?

Stoneheart would have been a cool cliffhanger but I never understood the fascination with it. If you drop that at the end of this year, you have to advance the story next year. There's not much to build on unless they make stuff up to fill time. Really dumb IMO

And it happened a little different, but zombies did attack Bran and Co.

 
I'm glad the Hound didn't just die from an infection; the fight scene was a good way to go out.

I imagined Leaf was going to be smaller, like Tinkerbell. :bag:

 
Very satisfying. But they kind of rushed the Shae scene and didn't really have a great line for Tyrion as he took out Tywin. Was good enough.

Last two episodes fantastic. Need to watch again.

 
Mister Martie said:
The changes to Brienne's story line were great. No one wants to watch her fool's errand. The fight scene with the Hound was epic.

I have to admit, they could have done a better job with Tyrion's escape. I was bummed about no altercation with Jamie and no "wherever whores go."

These are nitpicks, though. It was an excellent episode.
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Plus the whole Jaime confrontation and reveal is what motivates him to go find Tywin anyway. What was tyrion's motivation and plan in the show?

 
Yeah I thought him just stopping in the tunnels was kind of deus ex machina for sure. I guess his intention was to kill his father all along. Happy Father's Day.

 
bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
JerseyToughGuys said:
Leeroy Jenkins said:
I didn't like that they skipped the whole first marriage whore story though.
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Yep. Made it all about shae.Shame
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you have to remember, besides a small conversation in season 1, they hardly mention his first wife. For the show it made much more sense to make it more Shae centric.interesting about the Jamie/Tyrion farewell too, make you wonder if they meet again and make up in the books?
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Yep. I get it.

But that is the backbone of the book tyrion. And I also think it's a significant part of Jamie's character too.

If Martin is okay with it, I'm okay with it ;-)

 
Leeroy Jenkins said:
Mister Martie said:
The changes to Brienne's story line were great. No one wants to watch her fool's errand. The fight scene with the Hound was epic.

I have to admit, they could have done a better job with Tyrion's escape. I was bummed about no altercation with Jamie and no "wherever whores go."

These are nitpicks, though. It was an excellent episode.
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Plus the whole Jaime confrontation and reveal is what motivates him to go find Tywin anyway. What was tyrion's motivation and plan in the show?
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Exactly

 
JerseyToughGuys said:
Leeroy Jenkins said:
Mister Martie said:
The changes to Brienne's story line were great. No one wants to watch her fool's errand. The fight scene with the Hound was epic.

I have to admit, they could have done a better job with Tyrion's escape. I was bummed about no altercation with Jamie and no "wherever whores go."

These are nitpicks, though. It was an excellent episode.
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Plus the whole Jaime confrontation and reveal is what motivates him to go find Tywin anyway. What was tyrion's motivation and plan in the show?
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Exactly
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well gee I dont know perhaps your father never loving you and sentencing you to death?

bringin up Tysha would of just made viewers go, huh?

the motivation is pretty strong seeing the women you love in your fathers bed.

It could of been better, but really to cover everything exactly book wise would take 10+ seasons

 
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bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
JerseyToughGuys said:
Leeroy Jenkins said:
Mister Martie said:
The changes to Brienne's story line were great. No one wants to watch her fool's errand. The fight scene with the Hound was epic.

I have to admit, they could have done a better job with Tyrion's escape. I was bummed about no altercation with Jamie and no "wherever whores go."

These are nitpicks, though. It was an excellent episode.
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Plus the whole Jaime confrontation and reveal is what motivates him to go find Tywin anyway. What was tyrion's motivation and plan in the show?
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Exactly
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well gee I dont know perhaps your father never loving you and sentencing you to death?bringin up Tysha would of just made viewers go, huh?

the motivation is pretty strong seeing the women you love in your fathers bed.

It could of been better, but really to cover everything exactly book wise would take 10+ seasons
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They didn't develop it so yes dropping it in there wouldn't have made sense. I get that. And they probably didn't devlop it because a lot of it was inner dialogue/struggle.

BUT

Mah man Leroy's point is why did tyrion go up in the first place (in the show)? To say goodbye? To murder him? The viewers are complaining duex ex machina and I agree, from their viewpoint.

In the book, the tysha reveal was a pretty big catalyst IMO. She wasn't a whore, but his father had her raped anyway. That sent Tyrion up the ladder. And when he gets there what does he find? A whore in tywins bed.

 
JerseyToughGuys said:
That's a beautiful bit of story telling that got left on the editing ro floor IMO
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I agree with your take on this. That scene felt a little flat for me because of it. When Jaime just walked away I was disappointed. I understand why they did it, but I feel they still could have set it up without taking up too much screen time.

 
strykerpks said:
You sure you've all read teh books?

Stoneheart would have been a cool cliffhanger but I never understood the fascination with it. If you drop that at the end of this year, you have to advance the story next year. There's not much to build on unless they make stuff up to fill time. Really dumb IMO

And it happened a little different, but zombies did attack Bran and Co.
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I hope you aren't referring to me. If you are - you are very new to this thread.

 
Also. As mrs jtg pointed out, no baby mance or princess wildling.

I suppose they could back fill those. Maybe stannis' daughter takes the place of the kings blood baby.

 
strykerpks said:
You sure you've all read teh books?

Stoneheart would have been a cool cliffhanger but I never understood the fascination with it. If you drop that at the end of this year, you have to advance the story next year. There's not much to build on unless they make stuff up to fill time. Really dumb IMO

And it happened a little different, but zombies did attack Bran and Co.
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As evident with Jojen, we're getting to the point where the show will preemptively elminate extraneous #### from future books. I'm assuming Stoneheart's still relevant because of the #### whupping she lays on the Frey family. I can't believe the books won't go back to them at some point.

 
JerseyToughGuys said:
Also. As mrs jtg pointed out, no baby mance or princess wildling.

I suppose they could back fill those. Maybe stannis' daughter takes the place of the kings blood baby.
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I think the scene with the fire last night where Jon saw Missandri looking at him shows that she knows he's the son of Rheagar and therefore has the blood of kings in him.

 
Thunderlips said:
JerseyToughGuys said:
Also. As mrs jtg pointed out, no baby mance or princess wildling.

I suppose they could back fill those. Maybe stannis' daughter takes the place of the kings blood baby.
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I think the scene with the fire last night where Jon saw Missandri looking at him shows that she knows he's the son of Rheagar and therefore has the blood of kings in him.
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I don't think there is any evidence for that in the show or in the books. Melisandre looks for Jon in her fires in the books - but there is no mention of him being a king or descended from a king.

 
sn0mm1s said:
Thunderlips said:
JerseyToughGuys said:
Also. As mrs jtg pointed out, no baby mance or princess wildling.

I suppose they could back fill those. Maybe stannis' daughter takes the place of the kings blood baby.
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I think the scene with the fire last night where Jon saw Missandri looking at him shows that she knows he's the son of Rheagar and therefore has the blood of kings in him.
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I don't think there is any evidence for that in the show or in the books. Melisandre looks for Jon in her fires in the books - but there is no mention of him being a king or descended from a king.
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If he has Targ blood, then he most def has blood of kings in him. That we don't have her POV means she might now and just isn't saying for whatever reason.

To me, Jon being Rheager's son is almost canon. Makes too much sense. Sure, Martin could throw a swerve at the sleuths who deduced that and give us that he's nothing more than him being the product of a one night stand of Ned's.....but being petty like that would hurt the story.

 
Thunderlips said:
sn0mm1s said:
Thunderlips said:
JerseyToughGuys said:
Also. As mrs jtg pointed out, no baby mance or princess wildling.

I suppose they could back fill those. Maybe stannis' daughter takes the place of the kings blood baby.
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I think the scene with the fire last night where Jon saw Missandri looking at him shows that she knows he's the son of Rheagar and therefore has the blood of kings in him.
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I don't think there is any evidence for that in the show or in the books. Melisandre looks for Jon in her fires in the books - but there is no mention of him being a king or descended from a king.
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If he has Targ blood, then he most def has blood of kings in him. That we don't have her POV means she might now and just isn't saying for whatever reason.

To me, Jon being Rheager's son is almost canon. Makes too much sense. Sure, Martin could throw a swerve at the sleuths who deduced that and give us that he's nothing more than him being the product of a one night stand of Ned's.....but being petty like that would hurt the story.
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I am not disputing the fact the he is the son of Rhaegar and Lyanna - I am disputing the fact that Melisandre knows about it. Also, we do have her POV in ADWD and AFAIK there is no hinting of her having that knowledge.

 
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