HBO - Song of Ice&Fire Series -Varsity Thread - no TV only whiners (3 Viewers)

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Interesting bit here on the wight wiki page:

It is stated in the Seven-Pointed Star that spirits, wights, and revenants cannot harm a pious man, so long as he is armored in his faith.

have we seen any proof that the seven give anyone any powers? Lord of Light does, and the others are pretty sweet, many faced god gives some powers.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Interesting bit here on the wight wiki page:

It is stated in the Seven-Pointed Star that spirits, wights, and revenants cannot harm a pious man, so long as he is armored in his faith.

have we seen any proof that the seven give anyone any powers? Lord of Light does, and the others are pretty sweet, many faced god gives some powers.

Not that I can think of...

 

[Gr00vus]

Interesting bit here on the wight wiki page:

It is stated in the Seven-Pointed Star that spirits, wights, and revenants cannot harm a pious man, so long as he is armored in his faith.

have we seen any proof that the seven give anyone any powers? Lord of Light does, and the others are pretty sweet, many faced god gives some powers.

Not that I can think of...

Depends on if you buy into the notion that the seven actually are different names for other gods, e.g. the stranger == the many faced god ( I think they make that correlation at some point in the house of black and white).

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Interesting bit here on the wight wiki page:

It is stated in the Seven-Pointed Star that spirits, wights, and revenants cannot harm a pious man, so long as he is armored in his faith.

have we seen any proof that the seven give anyone any powers? Lord of Light does, and the others are pretty sweet, many faced god gives some powers.

Not that I can think of...

Depends on if you buy into the notion that the seven actually are different names for other gods, e.g. the stranger == the many faced god ( I think they make that correlation at some point in the house of black and white).

point being, the westerosi got it wrong.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Interesting bit here on the wight wiki page:

It is stated in the Seven-Pointed Star that spirits, wights, and revenants cannot harm a pious man, so long as he is armored in his faith.

have we seen any proof that the seven give anyone any powers? Lord of Light does, and the others are pretty sweet, many faced god gives some powers.

Not that I can think of...

Depends on if you buy into the notion that the seven actually are different names for other gods, e.g. the stranger == the many faced god ( I think they make that correlation at some point in the house of black and white).

Well yeah, the many faced god is all of the gods mentioned and more for those that follow him. But the Seven don't believe in the many faced god.

 

[Gr00vus]

Interesting bit here on the wight wiki page:

It is stated in the Seven-Pointed Star that spirits, wights, and revenants cannot harm a pious man, so long as he is armored in his faith.

have we seen any proof that the seven give anyone any powers? Lord of Light does, and the others are pretty sweet, many faced god gives some powers.

Not that I can think of...

Depends on if you buy into the notion that the seven actually are different names for other gods, e.g. the stranger == the many faced god ( I think they make that correlation at some point in the house of black and white).

Well yeah, the many faced god is all of the gods mentioned and more for those that follow him. But the Seven don't believe in the many faced god.

The seven includes the stranger - which seems to be essentially the same as the many faced god.

Great, I'm having a discussion about completely fictitious religions. ####### fbgs.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Interesting bit here on the wight wiki page:

It is stated in the Seven-Pointed Star that spirits, wights, and revenants cannot harm a pious man, so long as he is armored in his faith.

have we seen any proof that the seven give anyone any powers? Lord of Light does, and the others are pretty sweet, many faced god gives some powers.

Not that I can think of...

Depends on if you buy into the notion that the seven actually are different names for other gods, e.g. the stranger == the many faced god ( I think they make that correlation at some point in the house of black and white).

Well yeah, the many faced god is all of the gods mentioned and more for those that follow him. But the Seven don't believe in the many faced god.

The seven includes the stranger - which seems to be essentially the same as the many faced god.

Great, I'm having a discussion about completely fictitious religions. ####### fbgs.

The Many Faced God religion believes the red god, the seven (all of them), the old gods, etc are all different "faces" of the same god.

Edit: At least that's how I read it.

 

[CBusAlex]

The Seven are supposed to be the ones who ensure that trials by combat end up with the correct victor, right? So not only is there no evidence they exist, there's actually affirmative evidence that they don't.

I don't remember the Drowned God ever doing nothin' for no one either.

 

[Gr00vus]

Interesting bit here on the wight wiki page:

It is stated in the Seven-Pointed Star that spirits, wights, and revenants cannot harm a pious man, so long as he is armored in his faith.

have we seen any proof that the seven give anyone any powers? Lord of Light does, and the others are pretty sweet, many faced god gives some powers.

Not that I can think of...

Depends on if you buy into the notion that the seven actually are different names for other gods, e.g. the stranger == the many faced god ( I think they make that correlation at some point in the house of black and white).

Well yeah, the many faced god is all of the gods mentioned and more for those that follow him. But the Seven don't believe in the many faced god.

The seven includes the stranger - which seems to be essentially the same as the many faced god.

Great, I'm having a discussion about completely fictitious religions. ####### fbgs.

The Many Faced God religion believes the red god, the seven (all of them), the old gods, etc are all different "faces" of the same god.

Edit: At least that's how I read it.

From the ice and fire wiki:

The founder of the Faceless Men came to believe that all the diverse slave population of Valyria prayed for deliverance to the same god of death, just in different incarnations. Thus, in Qohor, the Many-Faced God is called the Black Goat; in Yi Ti, the Lion of Night and in the Faith of the Seven, the Stranger.[1]

This belief of a single god with many incarnations or 'faces' came to be reflected in the Guild's House of Black and White, which contains a public shrine with idols of many death gods, including the Stranger of the Faith of the Seven.

So it seems like the many faced god only relates to the stranger, not all 7.

 

[sn0mm1s]

I'm struggling to remember how the books described the wights. I don't remember anything about them being all World War Z. I guess I always assumed they would be slow and methodical like when Sam sees them at the Fist

I had the same observation but I think the portrayal of the wights at Hardhome makes them seem like more of a legitimate threat to the wall. I always wondered how a bunch of lumbering zombies would be a threat to breach a 700 ft ice wall.

From the books I get the impression they are slow - but not clumsy. They also seem to be more aware (or at least can be commanded) since they specifically targeted Lord Mormont when Jon and Ghost saved him in Clash of Kings. They also seem a lot harder to kill in the books.

As far as a threat to The Wall - we don't know the full extent of the magic used to raise The Wall. Thousands of wights digging under or climbing over - even if slow - could be a threat considering the Night's watch has so few members. ~8000 years of collecting corpses and dead animals probably means that the WWs' army is pretty large.

 

[Tom Hagen]

All this religion talk is bound to attract Timschochet. Is that what you guys want?

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

All this religion talk is bound to attract Timschochet. Is that what you guys want?

lol

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Interesting bit here on the wight wiki page:

It is stated in the Seven-Pointed Star that spirits, wights, and revenants cannot harm a pious man, so long as he is armored in his faith.

have we seen any proof that the seven give anyone any powers? Lord of Light does, and the others are pretty sweet, many faced god gives some powers.

Not that I can think of...

Depends on if you buy into the notion that the seven actually are different names for other gods, e.g. the stranger == the many faced god ( I think they make that correlation at some point in the house of black and white).

Well yeah, the many faced god is all of the gods mentioned and more for those that follow him. But the Seven don't believe in the many faced god.

The seven includes the stranger - which seems to be essentially the same as the many faced god.

Great, I'm having a discussion about completely fictitious religions. ####### fbgs.

The Many Faced God religion believes the red god, the seven (all of them), the old gods, etc are all different "faces" of the same god.

Edit: At least that's how I read it.

From the ice and fire wiki:

The founder of the Faceless Men came to believe that all the diverse slave population of Valyria prayed for deliverance to the same god of death, just in different incarnations. Thus, in Qohor, the Many-Faced God is called the Black Goat; in Yi Ti, the Lion of Night and in the Faith of the Seven, the Stranger.[1]

This belief of a single god with many incarnations or 'faces' came to be reflected in the Guild's House of Black and White, which contains a public shrine with idols of many death gods, including the Stranger of the Faith of the Seven.

So it seems like the many faced god only relates to the stranger, not all 7.

Fair enough. Feel like I need to read the books again now.

 

[thecatch]

I'm struggling to remember how the books described the wights. I don't remember anything about them being all World War Z. I guess I always assumed they would be slow and methodical like when Sam sees them at the Fist

I had the same observation but I think the portrayal of the wights at Hardhome makes them seem like more of a legitimate threat to the wall. I always wondered how a bunch of lumbering zombies would be a threat to breach a 700 ft ice wall.

From the books I get the impression they are slow - but not clumsy. They also seem to be more aware (or at least can be commanded) since they specifically targeted Lord Mormont when Jon and Ghost saved him in Clash of Kings. They also seem a lot harder to kill in the books.

As far as a threat to The Wall - we don't know the full extent of the magic used to raise The Wall. Thousands of wights digging under or climbing over - even if slow - could be a threat considering the Night's watch has so few members. ~8000 years of collecting corpses and dead animals probably means that the WWs' army is pretty large.

Isn't there a passage where Cold Hands basically says he can't pass through the wall because it's a magical (not just a physical) barrier? It's been 5 years since I read this stuff so maybe I made that up.

 

[Uruk-Hai]

That was as fun an episode as I've seen on this show. Maybe it's because they've wandered so far away from (or past) the books where I wasn't expecting the story beats from the books ("Baelor", "Rains", "Viper").

I think some of those story arcs are gonna circle back at least somewhat towards what's been published so far by the end of the season, no matter how far rogue they've gone on the TV show: Cercei, Jon, Arya, Dany, Theon.

Tyrion's in unpublished waters, but may get here anyway.

Sansa, Brienne, Jaime, Davos - no clue.

 

[Uruk-Hai]

I'm struggling to remember how the books described the wights. I don't remember anything about them being all World War Z. I guess I always assumed they would be slow and methodical like when Sam sees them at the Fist

I had the same observation but I think the portrayal of the wights at Hardhome makes them seem like more of a legitimate threat to the wall. I always wondered how a bunch of lumbering zombies would be a threat to breach a 700 ft ice wall.

From the books I get the impression they are slow - but not clumsy. They also seem to be more aware (or at least can be commanded) since they specifically targeted Lord Mormont when Jon and Ghost saved him in Clash of Kings. They also seem a lot harder to kill in the books.

As far as a threat to The Wall - we don't know the full extent of the magic used to raise The Wall. Thousands of wights digging under or climbing over - even if slow - could be a threat considering the Night's watch has so few members. ~8000 years of collecting corpses and dead animals probably means that the WWs' army is pretty large.

Isn't there a passage where Cold Hands basically says he can't pass through the wall because it's a magical (not just a physical) barrier? It's been 5 years since I read this stuff so maybe I made that up.

Mance bluffed that he had a mythical horn that would make the Wall come down.

 

[Gr00vus]

Feel like I need to read the books again now.

Me too. Don't have time to do it though.

 

[sn0mm1s]

I'm struggling to remember how the books described the wights. I don't remember anything about them being all World War Z. I guess I always assumed they would be slow and methodical like when Sam sees them at the Fist

I had the same observation but I think the portrayal of the wights at Hardhome makes them seem like more of a legitimate threat to the wall. I always wondered how a bunch of lumbering zombies would be a threat to breach a 700 ft ice wall.

From the books I get the impression they are slow - but not clumsy. They also seem to be more aware (or at least can be commanded) since they specifically targeted Lord Mormont when Jon and Ghost saved him in Clash of Kings. They also seem a lot harder to kill in the books.

As far as a threat to The Wall - we don't know the full extent of the magic used to raise The Wall. Thousands of wights digging under or climbing over - even if slow - could be a threat considering the Night's watch has so few members. ~8000 years of collecting corpses and dead animals probably means that the WWs' army is pretty large.

Isn't there a passage where Cold Hands basically says he can't pass through the wall because it's a magical (not just a physical) barrier? It's been 5 years since I read this stuff so maybe I made that up.

Yes, though the wights pass through just fine when the Night's Watch bring them through (and the hand that Ser Alliser takes to Joffrey remains moving all the way south in King's Landing). Jon also had problems sensing Ghost when he was on one side and Ghost the other. Melisandre didn't have any problems and, presumably, neither did Bloodraven as a mobile person or in his communications with Bran. It is unclear exactly what The Wall's limits/restrictions are.

 

[SeveredHorseHeads]

I'm struggling to remember how the books described the wights. I don't remember anything about them being all World War Z. I guess I always assumed they would be slow and methodical like when Sam sees them at the Fist

I had the same observation but I think the portrayal of the wights at Hardhome makes them seem like more of a legitimate threat to the wall. I always wondered how a bunch of lumbering zombies would be a threat to breach a 700 ft ice wall.

From the books I get the impression they are slow - but not clumsy. They also seem to be more aware (or at least can be commanded) since they specifically targeted Lord Mormont when Jon and Ghost saved him in Clash of Kings. They also seem a lot harder to kill in the books.

As far as a threat to The Wall - we don't know the full extent of the magic used to raise The Wall. Thousands of wights digging under or climbing over - even if slow - could be a threat considering the Night's watch has so few members. ~8000 years of collecting corpses and dead animals probably means that the WWs' army is pretty large.

Isn't there a passage where Cold Hands basically says he can't pass through the wall because it's a magical (not just a physical) barrier? It's been 5 years since I read this stuff so maybe I made that up.

You are remembering correctly.

 

[Gr00vus]

I'm struggling to remember how the books described the wights. I don't remember anything about them being all World War Z. I guess I always assumed they would be slow and methodical like when Sam sees them at the Fist

I had the same observation but I think the portrayal of the wights at Hardhome makes them seem like more of a legitimate threat to the wall. I always wondered how a bunch of lumbering zombies would be a threat to breach a 700 ft ice wall.

From the books I get the impression they are slow - but not clumsy. They also seem to be more aware (or at least can be commanded) since they specifically targeted Lord Mormont when Jon and Ghost saved him in Clash of Kings. They also seem a lot harder to kill in the books.

As far as a threat to The Wall - we don't know the full extent of the magic used to raise The Wall. Thousands of wights digging under or climbing over - even if slow - could be a threat considering the Night's watch has so few members. ~8000 years of collecting corpses and dead animals probably means that the WWs' army is pretty large.

Isn't there a passage where Cold Hands basically says he can't pass through the wall because it's a magical (not just a physical) barrier? It's been 5 years since I read this stuff so maybe I made that up.

Mance bluffed that he had a mythical horn that would make the Wall come down.

The Horn Of Joramun.

 

[Uruk-Hai]

I'm struggling to remember how the books described the wights. I don't remember anything about them being all World War Z. I guess I always assumed they would be slow and methodical like when Sam sees them at the Fist

I had the same observation but I think the portrayal of the wights at Hardhome makes them seem like more of a legitimate threat to the wall. I always wondered how a bunch of lumbering zombies would be a threat to breach a 700 ft ice wall.

From the books I get the impression they are slow - but not clumsy. They also seem to be more aware (or at least can be commanded) since they specifically targeted Lord Mormont when Jon and Ghost saved him in Clash of Kings. They also seem a lot harder to kill in the books.

As far as a threat to The Wall - we don't know the full extent of the magic used to raise The Wall. Thousands of wights digging under or climbing over - even if slow - could be a threat considering the Night's watch has so few members. ~8000 years of collecting corpses and dead animals probably means that the WWs' army is pretty large.

Isn't there a passage where Cold Hands basically says he can't pass through the wall because it's a magical (not just a physical) barrier? It's been 5 years since I read this stuff so maybe I made that up.

Mance bluffed that he had a mythical horn that would make the Wall come down.

The Horn Of Joramun.

Yep. Big theory that another character actually has it, though that character doesn't know it

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Interesting bit here on the wight wiki page:

It is stated in the Seven-Pointed Star that spirits, wights, and revenants cannot harm a pious man, so long as he is armored in his faith.

have we seen any proof that the seven give anyone any powers? Lord of Light does, and the others are pretty sweet, many faced god gives some powers.

Not that I can think of...

Depends on if you buy into the notion that the seven actually are different names for other gods, e.g. the stranger == the many faced god ( I think they make that correlation at some point in the house of black and white).

i thought that the many faced God just meant all religions have a God of death. The stranger being that of the 7.

 

[shuke]

I had enough problem keeping all of the Florents whose names started with "A" straight to think below the surface.

That was my problem, too. I'm rereading now, and trying to focus on what I think matters with respect to the story.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

ya know, if bran and the raven are under the big tree up north beyond the wall, who is under the tree in the godswood at winterfell?

 

[Sinn Fein]

So if Tyrion and Dany have already met up - do we assume that Dany comes back from her Dragon trip to team up with Tyrion, or was this just a tease for the TV audience before Dany leaves?

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Where was that link that had the differences between the books and the show? Was that posted here?

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Where was that link that had the differences between the books and the show? Was that posted here?

that link has to be huge, some site does a episode synopsis of that difference though

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Some good reminders/info on wights, white walkers and valeryian steel at Grantland

 

[PIK95]

I'm struggling to remember how the books described the wights. I don't remember anything about them being all World War Z. I guess I always assumed they would be slow and methodical like when Sam sees them at the Fist

I had the same observation but I think the portrayal of the wights at Hardhome makes them seem like more of a legitimate threat to the wall. I always wondered how a bunch of lumbering zombies would be a threat to breach a 700 ft ice wall.

From the books I get the impression they are slow - but not clumsy. They also seem to be more aware (or at least can be commanded) since they specifically targeted Lord Mormont when Jon and Ghost saved him in Clash of Kings. They also seem a lot harder to kill in the books.

As far as a threat to The Wall - we don't know the full extent of the magic used to raise The Wall. Thousands of wights digging under or climbing over - even if slow - could be a threat considering the Night's watch has so few members. ~8000 years of collecting corpses and dead animals probably means that the WWs' army is pretty large.

Isn't there a passage where Cold Hands basically says he can't pass through the wall because it's a magical (not just a physical) barrier? It's been 5 years since I read this stuff so maybe I made that up.

Mance bluffed that he had a mythical horn that would make the Wall come down.

The Horn Of Joramun.

Yep. Big theory that another character actually has it, though that character doesn't know it

? Who? I thought it was huge?

 

[Sabertooth]

ya know, if bran and the raven are under the big tree up north beyond the wall, who is under the tree in the godswood at winterfell?

My guess is Brandon Stark.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

ya know, if bran and the raven are under the big tree up north beyond the wall, who is under the tree in the godswood at winterfell?

My guess is Brandon Stark.

Somebody is under the tree at winterfell?

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

ya know, if bran and the raven are under the big tree up north beyond the wall, who is under the tree in the godswood at winterfell?

My guess is Brandon Stark.

Somebody is under the tree at winterfell?

Maybe??

 

[Uruk-Hai]

I'm struggling to remember how the books described the wights. I don't remember anything about them being all World War Z. I guess I always assumed they would be slow and methodical like when Sam sees them at the Fist

I had the same observation but I think the portrayal of the wights at Hardhome makes them seem like more of a legitimate threat to the wall. I always wondered how a bunch of lumbering zombies would be a threat to breach a 700 ft ice wall.

From the books I get the impression they are slow - but not clumsy. They also seem to be more aware (or at least can be commanded) since they specifically targeted Lord Mormont when Jon and Ghost saved him in Clash of Kings. They also seem a lot harder to kill in the books.

As far as a threat to The Wall - we don't know the full extent of the magic used to raise The Wall. Thousands of wights digging under or climbing over - even if slow - could be a threat considering the Night's watch has so few members. ~8000 years of collecting corpses and dead animals probably means that the WWs' army is pretty large.

Isn't there a passage where Cold Hands basically says he can't pass through the wall because it's a magical (not just a physical) barrier? It's been 5 years since I read this stuff so maybe I made that up.

Mance bluffed that he had a mythical horn that would make the Wall come down.

The Horn Of Joramun.

Yep. Big theory that another character actually has it, though that character doesn't know it

? Who? I thought it was huge?

Spoiler

Sam. He's got that old ratty, busted horn. It's not huge like the myth describes it. The point of the theory being that the myth is wrong (at least, as it's understood by "current" people).

 

[Swing 51]

George R.R. Martin explains why there's violence against women on Game of Thrones"If you portray a utopia, then you probably wrote a pretty boring book"

http://www.ew.com/article/2015/06/03/george-rr-martin-thrones-violence-women

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

ya know, if bran and the raven are under the big tree up north beyond the wall, who is under the tree in the godswood at winterfell?

My guess is Brandon Stark.

Somebody is under the tree at winterfell?

Maybe??

I thought that bran and blood raven just were able to use all the trees as a network that has both stored data seen there and current live feeds if you will. The children's powers were diminished because so many trees were cut down by the andals.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

So that totally turns Stannis into an evil sob. Why would they do that to his character?

 

[PIK95]

This TV show is an embarrassment. Wow.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

Still better than the last 2.5 books

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Totally unnecessary.

The rest of the episode I liked, but why do that to Stannis?

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

Totally unnecessary.

The rest of the episode I liked, but why do that to Stannis?

How do you know it is unnecessary until we see the outcome?

 

[Sinn Fein]

Totally unnecessary.

The rest of the episode I liked, but why do that to Stannis?

How do you know it is unnecessary until we see the outcome?

 

[Harry Manback]

There was a better way.

 

[Sinn Fein]

Wait until Stannis finds out that Melisandre was mistaken, and he is not the chosen one...

 

[PIK95]

Burning a handicapped (or deformed I guess) child alive. All time low for television? Yes or no?

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

Burning a handicapped (or deformed I guess) child alive. All time low for television? Yes or no?

OH COME ON

 

[Sinn Fein]

Show runners suggested afterwards that this scene came from Martin.

 

[bentley]

Show runners suggested afterwards that this scene came from Martin.

Good for him then. It made for great television.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Totally unnecessary.

The rest of the episode I liked, but why do that to Stannis?

How do you know it is unnecessary until we see the outcome?

Well it could be necessary for whatever their purpose may be, but i don't know why it'd be necessary to take such a divergent turn from the book that changes the character so much. Like somebody said in the other thread, people will want the Boltons to win now. There's pleanty of reprehensible people and things that have happened in this story, but this is probably the worst thing anybody has done. Just seems way out of character.

 

[John Bender]

That was ####in' awesome.

 

[Sinn Fein]

Totally unnecessary.

The rest of the episode I liked, but why do that to Stannis?

How do you know it is unnecessary until we see the outcome?

Well it could be necessary for whatever heir purpose may be, but i don't know why it's be necessary to take such a divergent turn from the book that changes the character so much. Like somebody said in the other thread, people will want the Boltons to win now. There's pleanty of reprehensible people and things that have happened in this story, but this is probably the worst thing anybody has done.

show runners in their interviewson HBO said it came from Martin....