HBO - Song of Ice&Fire Series -Varsity Thread - no TV only whiners (3 Viewers)

[PatsWillWin]

The boy Littlefinger has for Olenna is the one who accuses Cersei. It's why she was arrested at the end.

I don't think so. The "boy" is Lancel Lannister and given his attitude lately I doubt he's willing to do Petyr's bidding.

Do you think he'd lie and deny doing Cersei just to avoid doing Petyr's bidding?

I don't think he'd have anything to do with Petry anymore. He's gone full crazy. They certainly didn't seen to have an amenable relationship when Lancel threatened Petyr in the street.

Right, that's my take as well, and I think it supports Instinctive's assertion.

If Lancel is asked by the High Sparrow to provide testimony against Cersei, he will do so. Therefore, Cersei will be (at this point, was) accused and will be put on trial.

Petyr knows this. Therefore, the "boy" he has for Olenna is in fact Lancel. Petyr will tell Olenna about Lancel and Cersei, Olenna will tell the High Sparrow about Lancel and Cersei, and the High Sparrow will do with Cersei as he's done with Loras and Margaery.

In other words, when Petyr told Olenna, "I have a boy for you" (or whatever the exact wording was -- I think it was a "handsome" boy or some such), he didn't mean, "I have a boy for you who is fond of me and will do my bidding." He meant, "I know someone who'll make a good witness against Cersei; I'll tell you about him and you can approach the High Sparrow with the information."

I'm not 100% that Lancel is the "boy" Petyr had for Olenna, but that's what it seems like based on what we've seen so far.

I think it makes sense, I just feel like Lancel would've already come clean about that when he joined up as some part of a confession thing to get in. But I agree that it probably makes the most sense.

The only thing is if I were Olenna, would I not try and use Lancel as leverage first in some way? Throwing Cersei behind bars is good and fun, but it doesn't free her kids.

But yeah, like I said, Lancel makes the most sense. I guess the only other thing it could be is one of Rob's bastards. I have no idea how Petry would be connected to Gendry or whatever, but if the Septon were to find out that the king was born of incest, he could tear the whole thing down.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

I guess that raising them up thing was why they didn't stress that Jon's main point to save the wildlings was to prevent the army enlarging in the first place.

 

[(HULK)]

Awesome episode. Best in a while IMO

 

[hotdogcollars]

Awesome episode. Best in a while IMO

season has been sub par to this point but that was a killer episode and a nice departure (or at least acceleration) from the books as far as I can recall

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

So this is the first confirmation thy valaryian steel kills white walkers, right?

 

[Hot Diggity Dog]

So this is the first confirmation thy valaryian steel kills white walkers, right?

I believe so, and I think Tywin and Jaime give a count on how many valaryian steel swords there are in the world, when he gives Jaime his sword.

 

[Tusken Raider]

The name "Hardhome" just took on a deeper meaning.

 

[Abrantes]

Killer episode. Wow.

 

[rascal]

So, they've officially scrapped the books.

 

[PIK95]

So, they've officially scrapped the books.

That's what I have taken out of this season.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

So, they've officially scrapped the books.

That's what I have taken out of this season.

Which is probably why GRRM isn't penning anymore episodes. They're going to take a different journey to a mostly the same outcome I presume.

 

[Sabertooth]

I bet GRRM starts throwing some snarkiness out there about the HBO stuff at some point. How do you let another writer finish your life's work?

 

[Hot Diggity Dog]

So this is the first confirmation thy valaryian steel kills white walkers, right?

I believe so, and I think Tywin and Jaime give a count on how many valaryian steel swords there are in the world, when he gives Jaime his sword.

ANd I wonder if the key to valarlyian steel is it must be wielded by a Targaryen?

 

[=Smackdown=]

Great episode

From the previews it looks like Jon Snow is denied re-entry through the wall when he returns with the Wildlings

 

[Capella]

I bet GRRM starts throwing some snarkiness out there about the HBO stuff at some point. How do you let another writer finish your life's work?

Because you aren't willing to finish it yourself and you sold the television rights?

My impression is that he is filthy rich beyond anything he could ever spend and is probably satisfied with his legacy. Probably hard to get motivated to finish something at this point. I'm sure it's hard work.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

sweet episode.

Dany & Tyrion should be sweet, and Im sure in the books they will met up as some point

really the books will be left behind soon enough, lets see if GRRM can get book 6 out before next April

 

[pantherclub]

I bet GRRM starts throwing some snarkiness out there about the HBO stuff at some point. How do you let another writer finish your life's work?

$

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

what I found interesting was #1 the white walkers reaction as he strikes jon's sword and it doesn't get destroyed. #2 the nights king kind of acknowledged something about Jon in that stare down as he raised the dead, like he knows who/what Jon is

 

[CletiusMaximus]

So this is the first confirmation thy valaryian steel kills white walkers, right?

I believe so, and I think Tywin and Jaime give a count on how many valaryian steel swords there are in the world, when he gives Jaime his sword.

ANd I wonder if the key to valarlyian steel is it must be wielded by a Targaryen?

It does seem possible its as much about the guy swinging the sword as the fact the blade is Valyrian.

 

[Possum]

I bet GRRM starts throwing some snarkiness out there about the HBO stuff at some point. How do you let another writer finish your life's work?

Because you aren't willing to finish it yourself and you sold the television rights?

My impression is that he is filthy rich beyond anything he could ever spend and is probably satisfied with his legacy. Probably hard to get motivated to finish something at this point. I'm sure it's hard work.

Martin's actions over the last few years suggest to me that he's way more excited about enjoying his fame as the writer of ASOIAF than doing any actual writing on it. He seems to spend the majority of his time writing his blog, editing anthologies or making appearances at events instead. i wouldn't be surprised if it eventually comes out that he's just lost interest in finishing the story.

I'm sure he's not all that happy about the show doing it for him, but the prospect of that happening should've lit a fire under him several years ago if he really cared about it. Hard to really blame him, though - he's already made plenty of $ off it and writing those things has gotta be hard work.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

I bet GRRM starts throwing some snarkiness out there about the HBO stuff at some point. How do you let another writer finish your life's work?

Because you aren't willing to finish it yourself and you sold the television rights?

My impression is that he is filthy rich beyond anything he could ever spend and is probably satisfied with his legacy. Probably hard to get motivated to finish something at this point. I'm sure it's hard work.

Martin's actions over the last few years suggest to me that he's way more excited about enjoying his fame as the writer of ASOIAF than doing any actual writing on it. He seems to spend the majority of his time writing his blog, editing anthologies or making appearances at events instead. i wouldn't be surprised if it eventually comes out that he's just lost interest in finishing the story.

I'm sure he's not all that happy about the show doing it for him, but the prospect of that happening should've lit a fire under him several years ago if he really cared about it. Hard to really blame him, though - he's already made plenty of $ off it and writing those things has gotta be hard work.

Perhaps, but I think your initial statement remains true if you replace "the last few years" with "the past 15 years."

 

[Capella]

I have not read the books but my wife has. She loves them. We both think he will have somebody he trusts finish the story with him having editorial control.

 

[thecatch]

So this is the first confirmation thy valaryian steel kills white walkers, right?

I believe so, and I think Tywin and Jaime give a count on how many valaryian steel swords there are in the world, when he gives Jaime his sword.

ANd I wonder if the key to valarlyian steel is it must be wielded by a Targaryen?

It does seem possible its as much about the guy swinging the sword as the fact the blade is Valyrian.

I didn't get the vibe from that scene there was anything magical about Jon. To me, it just seemed that the lead white walker was intrigued that someone had anti white walker equipment, and then was basically just taunting him at the end.

 

[babydemon90]

Excellent episode.

Tyrion's discussion with Dany - he went through all the houses that wouldn't support her - he didn't mention Martell's, right? Seems odd, think they still will be reaching out to her at some point, obviously differently then in books though.

Ramsay's going to kill Stannis, leaving Melisandre and her boobs to return to the wall and Jon.

 

[babydemon90]

So this is the first confirmation thy valaryian steel kills white walkers, right?

I believe so, and I think Tywin and Jaime give a count on how many valaryian steel swords there are in the world, when he gives Jaime his sword.

ANd I wonder if the key to valarlyian steel is it must be wielded by a Targaryen?

It does seem possible its as much about the guy swinging the sword as the fact the blade is Valyrian.

Azor Ahai...

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Excellent episode.

Tyrion's discussion with Dany - he went through all the houses that wouldn't support her - he didn't mention Martell's, right? Seems odd, think they still will be reaching out to her at some point, obviously differently then in books though.

Ramsay's going to kill Stannis, leaving Melisandre and her boobs to return to the wall and Jon.

I think stannis sacrifices his daughter to try and win winterfell.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

The show seems to telegraph some things more so than the books I think.

 

[Gr00vus]

Great episode all the way around except for one quibble - why didn't the wildlings use fire on the zombies (or at least why didn't Snow tell them to)? At the point they're breaking through the pallisade, might as well light it on fire.

I doubt it happens, but it'd be an interesting twist if Ramsay took his "20 good men" and Sansa over to Stannis and sold out his own dad by agreeing to open Winterfell up to Stannis in exchange for being named warden of the north.

I wonder if they'll arrange to get Mellisandre back to castle black in time for the the assassination attempt on Jon. I think I'm more interested in seeing how that gets resolved than anything else right now.

Glad to see they kept the Cat of the Canals storyline.

 

[Gr00vus]

My other quibble is, they really need to rethink their pacing. Rathern than having 7 episodes of build up and 3 or three episodes of resolution, they need to start spreading things out throughout the season.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

My other quibble is, they really need to rethink their pacing. Rathern than having 7 episodes of build up and 3 or three episodes of resolution, they need to start spreading things out throughout the season.

yeah, this season suffered from that, but the previous seasons were paced well, heck season 3 something major happened every week.

the Jon stabbing might not happen until early next season, or is the final scene this season.

episode 10 is titled "mother mercy" so that has the Cersei walk in ti

 

[Sinn Fein]

My other quibble is, they really need to rethink their pacing. Rathern than having 7 episodes of build up and 3 or three episodes of resolution, they need to start spreading things out throughout the season.

yeah, this season suffered from that, but the previous seasons were paced well, heck season 3 something major happened every week.

the Jon stabbing might not happen until early next season, or is the final scene this season.

episode 10 is titled "mother mercy" so that has the Cersei walk in ti

And the Mother of Dragons...

 

[Kraft...]

Glad to see they kept the Cat of the Canals storyline.

got chills when I first saw her walking down the street with the cart. Big fan of her story line, especially after reading her WOW chapter

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

My other quibble is, they really need to rethink their pacing. Rathern than having 7 episodes of build up and 3 or three episodes of resolution, they need to start spreading things out throughout the season.

yeah, this season suffered from that, but the previous seasons were paced well, heck season 3 something major happened every week.

the Jon stabbing might not happen until early next season, or is the final scene this season.

episode 10 is titled "mother mercy" so that has the Cersei walk in ti

And the Mother of Dragons...

episode 9 is titled "dancing with dragons" and previews showed us the pit fights, so Im guessing the ride comes in that episode

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Will be interesting when Dany rides the dragon... what becomes of Tyrion then? Or does he hop on as well?

Edit: Otherwise, he'll be sitting there holding his #### while she's off at her new Dragonstone.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Cersei sent Meryn trant to Braavos, right? Arya will kill him I assume.

 

[Gr00vus]

My other quibble is, they really need to rethink their pacing. Rathern than having 7 episodes of build up and 3 or three episodes of resolution, they need to start spreading things out throughout the season.

yeah, this season suffered from that, but the previous seasons were paced well, heck season 3 something major happened every week.

the Jon stabbing might not happen until early next season, or is the final scene this season.

episode 10 is titled "mother mercy" so that has the Cersei walk in ti

And the Mother of Dragons...

episode 9 is titled "dancing with dragons" and previews showed us the pit fights, so Im guessing the ride comes in that episode

I hope Strong Belwas stays away from the crickets this time.

Oh, wait.

 

[Gr00vus]

Will be interesting when Dany rides the dragon... what becomes of Tyrion then? Or does he hop on as well?

I think this is a good change from the books - they've set things up so that Tyrion has to run the show in Mereen while Danaerys is riding around the countryside having her period and reuniting with her Dothraki pals.

 

[Gr00vus]

Someone remind me -

In the books Davos is sent off the Skaagos to go find Rikon, but I forget whether that was with Stannis's blessing or not. Does Stannis know Bran and Rikon are alive? I ask because that would make an attempt by Ramsay to barter with Stannis for being ward of the north futile if Stannis knows that they're not dead.

Jon knew in the show and the books, but I can't remember if he told Stannis.

 

[sn0mm1s]

Someone remind me -

In the books Davos is sent off the Skaagos to go find Rikon, but I forget whether that was with Stannis's blessing or not. Does Stannis know Bran and Rikon are alive? I ask because that would make an attempt by Ramsay to barter with Stannis for being ward of the north futile if Stannis knows that they're not dead.

Jon knew in the show and the books, but I can't remember if he told Stannis.

No, Stannis does not know. Jon doesn't know either. Sam knows because he ran into Bran.

 

[SeveredHorseHeads]

I think Sansa is going to send Brienne to find Rickon/Bran. It's a continuation of her quest to find the Stark kids.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Will be interesting when Dany rides the dragon... what becomes of Tyrion then? Or does he hop on as well?

I think this is a good change from the books - they've set things up so that Tyrion has to run the show in Mereen while Danaerys is riding around the countryside having her period and reuniting with her Dothraki pals.

I can agree with that, but if they already have Dany fly away in the next episode that's a pretty fast transition to power for Tyrion, imo.

 

[Gr00vus]

Someone remind me -

In the books Davos is sent off the Skaagos to go find Rikon, but I forget whether that was with Stannis's blessing or not. Does Stannis know Bran and Rikon are alive? I ask because that would make an attempt by Ramsay to barter with Stannis for being ward of the north futile if Stannis knows that they're not dead.

Jon knew in the show and the books, but I can't remember if he told Stannis.

No, Stannis does not know. Jon doesn't know either. Sam knows because he ran into Bran.

Thanks for reminding me.

 

[Gr00vus]

Will be interesting when Dany rides the dragon... what becomes of Tyrion then? Or does he hop on as well?

I think this is a good change from the books - they've set things up so that Tyrion has to run the show in Mereen while Danaerys is riding around the countryside having her period and reuniting with her Dothraki pals.

I can agree with that, but if they already have Dany fly away in the next episode that's a pretty fast transition to power for Tyrion, imo.

True, but that should make things interesting for Tyrion. It also sets him up as the guy who sends Daario off to get killed (if they follow through on that).

 

[Instinctive]

Last night's episode was pretty cool.

Just a quick ask though: can we make sure TWOW info is in spoiler tags? I don't know if anyone else is, but I am waiting for the whole book and would appreciate it!

 

[Gr00vus]

I don't know if anyone else is, but I am waiting for the whole book and would appreciate it!

I am too, but it's not super critical to me that stuff isn't spoiled. Given that the show is already going places the books haven't, I'm not feeling much uptight about some details of the sample chapters being leaked. Still for folks like you it'd be neighborly if others did use the spoilers.

 

[strykerpks]

I'm struggling to remember how the books described the wights. I don't remember anything about them being all World War Z. I guess I always assumed they would be slow and methodical like when Sam sees them at the Fist

 

[Good Posting Judge]

I'm struggling to remember how the books described the wights. I don't remember anything about them being all World War Z. I guess I always assumed they would be slow and methodical like when Sam sees them at the Fist

Jack Wight.

 

[SeveredHorseHeads]

I'm struggling to remember how the books described the wights. I don't remember anything about them being all World War Z. I guess I always assumed they would be slow and methodical like when Sam sees them at the Fist

I had the same observation but I think the portrayal of the wights at Hardhome makes them seem like more of a legitimate threat to the wall. I always wondered how a bunch of lumbering zombies would be a threat to breach a 700 ft ice wall.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

I'm struggling to remember how the books described the wights. I don't remember anything about them being all World War Z. I guess I always assumed they would be slow and methodical like when Sam sees them at the Fist

Yeah, they were slower in the books. Congealed blood in the hands and feet making them clumsy like the classic zombie.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Interesting bit here on the wight wiki page:

It is stated in the Seven-Pointed Star that spirits, wights, and revenants cannot harm a pious man, so long as he is armored in his faith.