bentley
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Or, maybe some combination of Jon Snow and the remaining Starks.
Did any of you really think Stannis was the good guy in this before tonight? If so, did your mother feed you lead paint chips as a child?
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HBO - Song of Ice&Fire Series -Varsity Thread - no TV only whiners (2 Viewers)
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Did any of you really think Stannis was the good guy in this before tonight? If so, did your mother feed you lead paint chips as a child?
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
bentley
Footballguy
Good luck with that. This thread has definitely convinced me that the books are a waste.
Officer Pete Malloy
Footballguy
Staniss had been portrayed a pretty much a boob blinded by faith and his hunger for power. The roasting of Susie McScaleface wasn't out of character.
I am assuming Stannis will have his daughter sacrificed in the book also...as I recall the books left off with him still outside of Winterfell...
Officer Pete Malloy
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In the book Staniss takes his daughter to the Mayo clinic where the cold chisel the mud off her face. Then they go to Red Robin.
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John Bender
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Last episode is the Cersie walk of shame and Snow getting shanked prison style...and all is right with the tv vs book world.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
From the book. If it was the author's idea I guess it can't impact the overall story that much though. Stannis didn't seem to ever fully buy into the red woman #### in the book.. This is the extreme other side of it.
I guess Dany's husband or whatever wasn't in on the plot in the show either for some reason.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
True. Stannis was trusted by Ned and seemed honorable and fair. I guess it could happen, just seems crazy.
KarmaPolice
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Really? I thought the momentum of the show screeched to a halt after the last episode. Dorne is still dumb, Arya still not doing anything, and Dany riding the dragon made me
John Bender
Footballguy
Really? I thought the momentum of the show screeched to a halt after the last episode. Dorne is still dumb, Arya still not doing anything, and Dany riding the dragon made me
Thought it was great.What would have made it awesome in your opinion?
Thunderlips
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Stannis talk of Destiny is b.s. in the idea that the Destiny is only predicated on a conscious decision to sacrifice to the God.
It paints Stannis as not worthy, an obstacle to the endgame and I imagine Ramseys letter to Jon is true. Whether the Red Woman survives or not is a good question as I'm not sure whether she ever said he was definitively "The One". I'd have to go back and look....but I wouldn't be surprised if her rhetoric to him all this time has been cryptic enough to hide that in the end he needs to be sacrificed to facilitate the coming of the savior against the White Walkers.
I imagine Arya gets Meryn Trant.....and deviating from the path of the Faceless Men brings about her blindness.
I think Jamie's done for.
It paints Stannis as not worthy, an obstacle to the endgame and I imagine Ramseys letter to Jon is true. Whether the Red Woman survives or not is a good question as I'm not sure whether she ever said he was definitively "The One". I'd have to go back and look....but I wouldn't be surprised if her rhetoric to him all this time has been cryptic enough to hide that in the end he needs to be sacrificed to facilitate the coming of the savior against the White Walkers.
I imagine Arya gets Meryn Trant.....and deviating from the path of the Faceless Men brings about her blindness.
I think Jamie's done for.
shuke
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Sabertooth
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Stannis is evil. What was the point of the scene with Davos and Shirene? To show he really liked her? I thought he was going to kidnap her there.
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bicycle_seat_sniffer
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boy karmap is in a fishing mood huh.
Dorne sucks, araya's story while good in the book just don't translate well to tv.
They telegraphed the Stannis move for awhile, and it was pretty ####ed up on screen. They keep telegraphing Olly too, we all know he is gonna stab Jon snow.
The danny pit sequence was good, do they have her land in the dothraki sea to try and bring re-enforcements back to meereen?
Will be interesting to see what happens to sansa in episode 10.
Dorne sucks, araya's story while good in the book just don't translate well to tv.
They telegraphed the Stannis move for awhile, and it was pretty ####ed up on screen. They keep telegraphing Olly too, we all know he is gonna stab Jon snow.
The danny pit sequence was good, do they have her land in the dothraki sea to try and bring re-enforcements back to meereen?
Will be interesting to see what happens to sansa in episode 10.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
The opener left a bad taste in my mouth, so that could be part of it. Not a fan of Ramsay and a small crew going in and doing that much damage out of the blue. Twice now he has been able to do something like that.Really? I thought the momentum of the show screeched to a halt after the last episode. Dorne is still dumb, Arya still not doing anything, and Dany riding the dragon made me
What would have made it awesome in your opinion?
This season has been a disappointment for me overall, and we got a heavy dose of what I like the least this week: Dorne, Dany, and boring Stannis (although I do like that he had the balls to go through with it). Basically we are at the wall long enough to get a comment from Thorne and glare from Olly (not a fan of that plot kid). Arya I still like, but not much came out of that besides her following pediTrant around. Nothing from Kings Landing.
Overall, I don't remember much about books 4 and 5 besides thinking that they dragged and remembering being pissed at where Dany ends up after reading about her sitting on her ### for 3 books. I think I was just hoping that one season combing those two books would end up being more interesting than it has played out. There is stuff they cut out to streamline that I did think was interesting in the books, like some of the Iron Island stuff. I think the last couple episodes are an improvement over the rest of the season, but they still felt to me like 40mins of not much happening with a decent 20mins to cap it off (with last week being much better than the fighting pits).
Sabertooth
Footballguy
What was more offensive to you Karma? The rape of Sansa? Or the burning of Shirene?
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KarmaPolice
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Not looking like Bastian riding Falkor?How did you picture it happening in your mind?and Dany riding the dragon made me
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Neither? I don't get offended by TV shows and books. I said several times that I got why people were upset about Sansa, but other things have upset me more - ie Robb's wife.
I think Shireen was a more interesting turn for the show.
KarmaPolice
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babydemon90
Footballguy
That was hard to watch.
sn0mm1s
Footballguy
I don't think it would be necessarily out of character in the books for Stannis to kill Shireen. We have a story of the previous Azor Ahai killing his wife to temper a blade. However, Stannis' daughter, wife, and Melisandre are at The Wall in the books - not with Stannis outside of the walls of Winterfell. Stannis has burned family members already (his wife's side), was willing to kill Edric Storm (his brother's *******), and was willing to kill Davos as well. He also participated in the rituals that killed his own brother and Penrose. I find it far more likely that he would burn Asha Greyjoy in the books since she is the daughter of the twice self proclaimed King of the Iron Isles.
I suspect the scene between Davos and Shireen is to set up Davos siding with Sansa and helping her find Rickon and siding with the Starks. As for Melisandre's visions, I think it is pretty clear that Stannis is not Azor Ahai or the Prince who was Promised but she also said she saw him sitting the Iron Throne. Whether or not her vision was of the actual throne or some symbolic throne is open to interpretation I suppose.
I suspect the scene between Davos and Shireen is to set up Davos siding with Sansa and helping her find Rickon and siding with the Starks. As for Melisandre's visions, I think it is pretty clear that Stannis is not Azor Ahai or the Prince who was Promised but she also said she saw him sitting the Iron Throne. Whether or not her vision was of the actual throne or some symbolic throne is open to interpretation I suppose.
KarmaPolice
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...and stood there for 5 minutes not attacking as they outnumbered them by about 20-1 ?
Super King
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Ninja code....
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This season, between the multiple rapes, the burning of a child, and closing with the murder of Jon Snow will just decimate those who don't know its coming.
I bet viewership is down next season as a result. I love this story and began reading it last millennia... and even I, when watching last night, was like F Stannis in the A!
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Arya's story is getting extra interesting with Trant showing up. She'll kill him next weekend imo.Really? I thought the momentum of the show screeched to a halt after the last episode. Dorne is still dumb, Arya still not doing anything, and Dany riding the dragon made me
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Its a lock Stannis wins the battle of Winterfell now. The Lord of Light is 100% when sacrifices are made imo.
I could actually see a scenario where GRRM is just messing with us, and Stannis is indeed Azhor Azzhi. We all think he's not, but he certainly could be.
If you've read any of Martin's other work, you'd know he's a twisted soul.
I could actually see a scenario where GRRM is just messing with us, and Stannis is indeed Azhor Azzhi. We all think he's not, but he certainly could be.
If you've read any of Martin's other work, you'd know he's a twisted soul.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
yeah she will be the next pedi to get lined up with him and she stabs himArya's story is getting extra interesting with Trant showing up. She'll kill him next weekend imo.Really? I thought the momentum of the show screeched to a halt after the last episode. Dorne is still dumb, Arya still not doing anything, and Dany riding the dragon made me
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
kentric
Footballguy
How do you go from the surprise of killing off main characters to having something totally predictable? I bet that 95% of the viewers thought the day would be saved by the dragon. That took away from what would have been a very good episode.
eta: eek... just noticed that this is the book club.
eta: eek... just noticed that this is the book club.
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bicycle_seat_sniffer
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that's the great thing about this story, no good guys, no bad guys, various shades of gray. I was rooting for stannis to win the battle of blackwater because no one liked joffery, however I cant see anyone rooting for him now, even though we want the boltons to lose as well
I'm a huge fan but this season has been hard to get through with the exception of Hardhome, which was amazing.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
babydemon90
Footballguy
Think I'm rooting for Littlefinger now to come in and clean out whoever is left in the North.
There's a ton of drama in Winterfell that's getting left out, but maybe once the army begins the siege they'll get to it?
I'm hoping it's not that little kid that stabs Jon now, it's just too damn obvious.
There's a ton of drama in Winterfell that's getting left out, but maybe once the army begins the siege they'll get to it?
I'm hoping it's not that little kid that stabs Jon now, it's just too damn obvious.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
This is plenty twisted for me, thanks.
I doubt I finish the books. Actually I doubt he finishes the books.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Stannis is a believer whereas the Boltons are just evil incarnate and kill for fun. At least Ramsay does.
I'm still rooting for Stannis to win Winterfell. No matter who wins, they are simply a placeholder anyway.
The girl was dead either way.
What was the Dance with Dragons story again and how did that relate?
I'm still rooting for Stannis to win Winterfell. No matter who wins, they are simply a placeholder anyway.
The girl was dead either way.
What was the Dance with Dragons story again and how did that relate?
sn0mm1s
Footballguy
Probably a foreshadowing of the complete fall of House Baratheon and other houses whose family members appear to be turning on themselves. I could also see it as a metaphor for all the hard choices that we know Stannis has had to make in comparison to the innocence of Shireen. Stannis asks her who she would've chosen and she says she wouldn't have chosen either - but in reality that isn't a choice.
Notorious T.R.E.
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Yup - he killed his brother for the sake of power, no reason for his daughter to be much differentStannis has always been painted as unlikable. F him.
Notorious T.R.E.
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Plus he burned all of the priests of the seven too. Not cool, bro.Yup - he killed his brother for the sake of power, no reason for his daughter to be much different
Kraft...
Footballguy
He's been a major **** to Davos in the books too. The show made him more sympathetic and less douchey.Plus he burned all of the priests of the seven too. Not cool, bro.Yup - he killed his brother for the sake of power, no reason for his daughter to be much different
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Still though, I don't think he's evil. I think he feels he's right and he'll do whatever it takes to prove he's right. Kind of reminds me of my wife now that I think about it.
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sn0mm1s
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Can't really argue with the author - but I would've chosen:
Quentyn, Stoneheart, Arianne, Wyman Manderly, and one of Victarion or Euron (as a Greyjoy going to meet Dany).
Gr00vus
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The way the scene was shot, it sure seemed to me like Mellisandre wasn't exactly distressed about what was going on. I'm thinking she may have helped things along a bit even if she wasn't in on the plan from the start.
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