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As a non-reader, it looked to me that the men holding Stannis back were his own men. As if to get him to retreat. My guess from that is that he is able to flee and will still be a factor moving forward though must diminished after the licking at Kings Landing that he took.'culdeus said:
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I got the impression with the back and forth from Jamie and Eduard that Eduard Stark was quite the warrior in his prime. And he held his own against Jamie pretty well until being hit in the leg from behind.'wdcrob said:
I assumed it was the Kingsguard that we have seen several times (I can't remember his name) but the one where Tyrion told Bronn to kill if he talked again as an example of a threat. Basically that he hated Tyrion and saw his chance to end him in the fog of war.
He does- that is why he killed all (or almost all) of Robert's bastards because they would have a better claim on the throne than he would.
that was who i thought it was, where was that guy if this wasn't him?
Bastards never have a legitimate claim. It would go to a cousin or some other relation with Baratheon blood that was true born.
Officially it's Daenerys Targaryen
Pretty much. The throne was Robert's because he took it by force. Its not like the Baratheons were some long standing dynasty. At this point, I'd argue Joffrey is the "rightful" ruler, since they can't really prove he actually is a *******. And even if they could, his army has already beaten back the most significant challenger (who was only in that position because his big brother won a war)God I'm such a dork.'Matthias said:
Obviously this is academic but I'd guess the civil war extinguished the targaryen's legal claim to the throne.
Not sure why folks thought this - it was pretty clear an episode or 2 ago that Stannis was not bringing the witch to Kings Landing - to avoid the appearance that she won the battle. Now, in retrospect, maybe he should have brought her - but it was a pretty clear point made in the conversation between Stannis and Davos prior to setting sail towards Kings Landing.
I'm pretty sure there probably is, hence Renly's former lover teaming up with Tywin Lannister.
Ok. I must have missed that. Yeah, he's probably wishing he did bring her now though.
No, "them" equals Cat and the Kings Guard chick. Thought that was pretty clear. They were in the tent when Renly died and were the last ones present when he was alive. So why isn't there a posse after Cat and Kings Guard chick?'Matthias said:
Ok, I get it. Stannis absorbing Renly's army = no posse to send. And agreed on Renly's loverboy.Is Renly's wife Margaery done? I hope not for eye candy's sake at least.
Correct. It was Ser Mandon Moore.
How so 'officially'? The Targaryen dynasty was ended and the 'legitimate' heir would be the next in line of the Baratheon's. Of course, a case can be made for Targaryen but I don't see how that equates to 'officially'.
I thought Loras knew that it was NOT Cat and Brienne...which is why he joined Tywin to fight Stannis?
This was 'presented' but I don't remember any instance where it was an established alliances with the Tyrell's. Did I miss something or are you taking the hints of this and running with it?
well littlefinger did go talk to Maegery. But yeah they didnt show how the tyrells and lannisters joined forces.Loras wearing renley bartheons armour was nice touch.
Her family ruled for 300 years, founded the city of King's Landing, built the Red Keep, and forged the Iron Throne. The Bartheons for only 17. Robert had clam for being king as a result of being related to the Targaryens of old through his mother's side.
I think the time seems to be fine. Next season is supposed to be half of the 3rd book with the other half being season 4. Who knows if they do something similar with another book.
Pretty sure she dies in this battle in the book. A rather abrupt ending to both Stannis and the priestess. I haven't read Book 3 yet, so it's possible they make another appearance somehow, but I'm pretty sure that it's declared that they were both killed in this battle in Book 2.
Doesn't look like it per the previews of the final.
I don't think either of them died in Book 2
Not really. Robert's War started when the Mad King had Lyanna Stark kidnapped and then killed Ned Stark's brother and father. Baratheon was one of the leaders in that war, but he was chosen as such because his grandmother was a Targaryen and therefore he could make a loose claim to the Iron Throne once they won the rebellion.
Yeah, this is covered in the book more, but Robert wanted Ned to take the throne as he felt Ned would be a better king. Ned refused since he had no Targaryen blood in his family line. So even the usurpers felt like Targaryen blood was necessary to rule Westeros.
That's a relief. I do seem to remember one of the Lannisters saying that Stannis was killed at Blackwater. Thought it was an abrupt end for him. Although lots of character seem to come to abrupt ends in this series.
In the book Stannis hangs in the back of the battle, he doesn't fight in the vanguard like the show depicted.
As shuke mentioned it was a pretty big moment in the book and was handled with more drama, buildup and clarity. I thought they could have done a better job in the show, not a huge issue though.
Maybe that's why Robert was chosen in the first place but it would seem more logical that, once chosen, the baratheon's became the ruling family from which heirs are chosen. Certainly there is some baratheon with a closer connection to Robert than daenerys. In any event, I'd imagine there is some procedure for appointing kings in the absence of heirs that doesn't rely on giving the title back to a deposed king's daughter.
I'm with you on this. I think the buildup created in the various interviews where the producers went on about how they got more money from HBO for the battle created Braveheart level expectations for me. The wildfire scenes were fantastic, and they spent a lot of episode time on that, but the actual battle wasn't at the same level. At no point did it feel large scale. It was all 2 on 4, 10 on 20, 20 on 50 at the most. Again, after all the pre-press I was expecting it to be more epic.The Hound, Sansa and Joffrey were great. I think they've gone a little over the top with Cersei, but just a little.'Chaka said:It was supposed to be an invasion of an army of tens of thousands. Even assuming the wildfire took out half their forces Stannis still acknowledges that thousands will die. Then there are what? Four ladders used to scale the walls? Stannis and one or two other guys make it to the top. Maybe 60-100 total warriors are on screen at any given time (the editing and cuts make it seem like more but it's just the same people in different outfits). I'm not complaining, I think it was a wise decision not to waste production dollars on unnecessary actions sequences. But, beyond the wildfire, that battle was on par with the battle from the series finale of Buffy.ETA: There was nothing cheesy about Starship Troopers. That #### could happen man!'hotdogcollars said:'Chaka said:not sure if we watched the same show. cheesy is Transformers, or Starship Troopers, or anything with vampires.
curious as to what you found off about those scenes?
I'm assuming it would just get sorted out through war and would be resolved once someone claims the throne through battle.
Certainly, the discussion was just who would have a superior legal claim in the abstract. Obviously the actual ruler is whoever can take and defend the throne.
Chicks watch this show?
replace Dany? no way. remember she is playing a 14 year old girl who has a great sense of entitlement.
My bad, carry on
It's now Mrs. Dogg's favorite show. Ever.
How did you make that happen? My wife won't watch it. She calls it my nerd show.
My GF loves it.
carry on
