HBO - Song of Ice&Fire Series -Varsity Thread - no TV only whiners (4 Viewers)

[Maelstrom]

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Regardless, Tywin obviously didn't trust Tyrion to defend the city (rightly so), it won't be very difficult to write Tyrion out of the victory...what did Tyrion really do anyway? He launched the wildfire which Cersei had made.

<br />Cersei's plan was to launch jars of wildfire at Stannis's troops with catapults. As Bronn pointed out, some wildfire would have been thrown back over the wall in that case, and the city, or substantial parts of it, may have burned.<br /><br />Tyrion's much better idea was to send one boat out into the harbor leaking wildfire, and then light it all up from long distance with a flaming arrow.<br /><br />

He planned some sneak attack which ended up with his men getting attacked from behind.

<br />He rallied and led the troops when Joffrey and the Hound would not, and the rest of the Lannister army inside the wall was ready to call it quits. Even if that didn't have a big effect on the outcome, it showed leadership that nobody else in the city could match.<br />

<br /><br />This is one point where a character really got shortchanged in the show due to deviation from the books. The concept and execution of the chain sealing off the river (which Tyrion was solely responsible for) was a big deal in establishing his competency (and also had a symbolic connection to some later events). I think it was a mistake leaving it out of the show.<br />

<br /><br /><br />I disagree about the chain. It wouldn't have played well on TV, and it wasn't really necessary. I expect the relationship between Tywin/Tyrion to be explored a bit further next season, and I think they did a fine job building up Tyrion's cleverness.

 

[Tabasco Red]

Regardless, Tywin obviously didn't trust Tyrion to defend the city (rightly so), it won't be very difficult to write Tyrion out of the victory...what did Tyrion really do anyway? He launched the wildfire which Cersei had made.

Cersei's plan was to launch jars of wildfire at Stannis's troops with catapults. As Bronn pointed out, some wildfire would have been thrown back over the wall in that case, and the city, or substantial parts of it, may have burned.Tyrion's much better idea was to send one boat out into the harbor leaking wildfire, and then light it all up from long distance with a flaming arrow.

He planned some sneak attack which ended up with his men getting attacked from behind.

He rallied and led the troops when Joffrey and the Hound would not, and the rest of the Lannister army inside the wall was ready to call it quits. Even if that didn't have a big effect on the outcome, it showed leadership that nobody else in the city could match.

This is one point where a character really got shortchanged in the show due to deviation from the books. The concept and execution of the chain sealing off the river (which Tyrion was solely responsible for) was a big deal in establishing his competency (and also had a symbolic connection to some later events). I think it was a mistake leaving it out of the show.

This. ^In the books Tyrion planned and won that war accordingly. He destroyed Stannis' fleet, rallied the troops to defend the mud gate after Joffrey retreated, and killed the assassin his sister sent after him while he was about to die. Tywin running off the remnants of Tannis' army is greatly overplayed in the HBO series. The fact that Tywin appointed him as the Hand of the King says how much confidence he has in him. Tywin's biggest problem is he doesn't want a halfling in the eyes of the public representing the name Lannister, but he had no choice as Cercei was screwing everything up.My three favorite characters are Arya, Tyrion, and Daenerys in that order. HBO gave Tyrion very little credit for his efforts in this book.

 

[Tabasco Red]

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Regardless, Tywin obviously didn't trust Tyrion to defend the city (rightly so), it won't be very difficult to write Tyrion out of the victory...what did Tyrion really do anyway? He launched the wildfire which Cersei had made.

<br />Cersei's plan was to launch jars of wildfire at Stannis's troops with catapults. As Bronn pointed out, some wildfire would have been thrown back over the wall in that case, and the city, or substantial parts of it, may have burned.<br /><br />Tyrion's much better idea was to send one boat out into the harbor leaking wildfire, and then light it all up from long distance with a flaming arrow.<br /><br />

He planned some sneak attack which ended up with his men getting attacked from behind.

<br />He rallied and led the troops when Joffrey and the Hound would not, and the rest of the Lannister army inside the wall was ready to call it quits. Even if that didn't have a big effect on the outcome, it showed leadership that nobody else in the city could match.<br />

<br /><br />This is one point where a character really got shortchanged in the show due to deviation from the books. The concept and execution of the chain sealing off the river (which Tyrion was solely responsible for) was a big deal in establishing his competency (and also had a symbolic connection to some later events). I think it was a mistake leaving it out of the show.<br />

<br /><br /><br />I disagree about the chain. It wouldn't have played well on TV, and it wasn't really necessary. I expect the relationship between Tywin/Tyrion to be explored a bit further next season, and I think they did a fine job building up Tyrion's cleverness.

I have to disagree. Tyrion overrode his sisters orders of what every smith in Kings Landing was working on. He had them stop what they're doing and build the links for a chain of iron. This was one of several tactics he used to disarm Cercei's control over the city. Cercei is an idiot, and Tyrion was able to wrest control of the city from her fairly quickly. That whole story line was summed up with Tyrion cutting off Maester Pycell's beard. Poorly done.

 

[Maelstrom]

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Regardless, Tywin obviously didn't trust Tyrion to defend the city (rightly so), it won't be very difficult to write Tyrion out of the victory...what did Tyrion really do anyway? He launched the wildfire which Cersei had made.

<br />Cersei's plan was to launch jars of wildfire at Stannis's troops with catapults. As Bronn pointed out, some wildfire would have been thrown back over the wall in that case, and the city, or substantial parts of it, may have burned.<br /><br />Tyrion's much better idea was to send one boat out into the harbor leaking wildfire, and then light it all up from long distance with a flaming arrow.<br /><br />

He planned some sneak attack which ended up with his men getting attacked from behind.

<br />He rallied and led the troops when Joffrey and the Hound would not, and the rest of the Lannister army inside the wall was ready to call it quits. Even if that didn't have a big effect on the outcome, it showed leadership that nobody else in the city could match.<br />

<br /><br />This is one point where a character really got shortchanged in the show due to deviation from the books. The concept and execution of the chain sealing off the river (which Tyrion was solely responsible for) was a big deal in establishing his competency (and also had a symbolic connection to some later events). I think it was a mistake leaving it out of the show.<br />

<br /><br /><br />I disagree about the chain. It wouldn't have played well on TV, and it wasn't really necessary. I expect the relationship between Tywin/Tyrion to be explored a bit further next season, and I think they did a fine job building up Tyrion's cleverness.

I have to disagree. Tyrion overrode his sisters orders of what every smith in Kings Landing was working on. He had them stop what they're doing and build the links for a chain of iron. This was one of several tactics he used to disarm Cercei's control over the city. Cercei is an idiot, and Tyrion was able to wrest control of the city from her fairly quickly. That whole story line was summed up with Tyrion cutting off Maester Pycell's beard. Poorly done.

It may have been pivotal in the books (I'll still disagree about that, but not as strongly.) It would not have played well on TV. I can't think of any way it could be pulled off in a way that visually makes the kind of connections you say should be drawn from it. This, to me, was an example of good editing as they decided what should and shouldn't be in the show.Give it another 6 episodes per season (wouldn't that be grand!) and I think they might have been able to explain it and make use of it. In the condensed timeline and budget, you would see 5s of a massive chain under the water, and that would be it. And people would be asking in here "what was that chain thing?"

 

[Gr00vus]

I disagree about the chain. It wouldn't have played well on TV, and it wasn't really necessary.

Yet here we have people in this thread discounting Tyrion's contributions to winning the battle because they didn't show enough of what he did in the books. So apparently it was necessary for some if the goal was to depict how valuable Tyrion's contributions were to winning the battle.And I think it would have played just as well as the scenes showing Varys divulging secret passages to him, mooning over Shae, etc. In fact, the scene where he lays the hammer down on the smiths ignoring his demands would have been on screen. Also the dialog involving Cersei cutting on him for wasting time with the chain and circumventing her orders to the smiths would have been good.

 

[Chaka]

I disagree about the chain. It wouldn't have played well on TV, and it wasn't really necessary.

Yet here we have people in this thread discounting Tyrion's contributions to winning the battle because they didn't show enough of what he did in the books. So apparently it was necessary for some if the goal was to depict how valuable Tyrion's contributions were to winning the battle.And I think it would have played just as well as the scenes showing Varys divulging secret passages to him, mooning over Shae, etc. In fact, the scene where he lays the hammer down on the smiths ignoring his demands would have been on screen. Also the dialog involving Cersei cutting on him for wasting time with the chain and circumventing her orders to the smiths would have been good.

I haven't read the books and it seemed pretty obvious to me that without Tyrion the defense of King's Landing would have been about as effective as leaving the Mud Gate open.

 

[Maelstrom]

I disagree about the chain. It wouldn't have played well on TV, and it wasn't really necessary.

Yet here we have people in this thread discounting Tyrion's contributions to winning the battle because they didn't show enough of what he did in the books. So apparently it was necessary for some if the goal was to depict how valuable Tyrion's contributions were to winning the battle.And I think it would have played just as well as the scenes showing Varys divulging secret passages to him, mooning over Shae, etc. In fact, the scene where he lays the hammer down on the smiths ignoring his demands would have been on screen. Also the dialog involving Cersei cutting on him for wasting time with the chain and circumventing her orders to the smiths would have been good.

Don't get me wrong, I would have loved to see it if done well. But I think most people got the point, and the other stuff (secret passages, Shae) ... well ...

Spoiler

that is going to be important in the grand scheme of the story arc. In fact, if they hold true to the book in that aspect, their importance should come to a head right about the same time, although likely a few seasons of TV time from now.

 

[Chadstroma]

First thing about writing on the series that I did not like. I am not really excited about the 'white walkers' or aka zombies.

 

[EYLive]

You'll like the whitewalkers when Jon leads an army of them into King's Landing.

 

[Polish Hammer]

Spoiler

You'll like the whitewalkers when Jon leads an army of them into King's Landing.

If this is at all accurate, it really should have been in spoilers. I'm kinda pissed I read this if in fact it is true.

 

[Rick James]

Spoiler

You'll like the whitewalkers when Jon leads an army of them into King's Landing.

If this is at all accurate, it really should have been in spoilers. I'm kinda pissed I read this if in fact it is true.he's just jerking you around

 

[pantherclub]

Spoiler

You'll like the whitewalkers when Jon leads an army of them into King's Landing.

Spoiler

If this is at all accurate, it really should have been in spoilers. I'm kinda pissed I read this if in fact it is true.

he's just jerking you aroundor is he???????

 

[Rick James]

Regardless, Tywin obviously didn't trust Tyrion to defend the city (rightly so), it won't be very difficult to write Tyrion out of the victory...what did Tyrion really do anyway? He launched the wildfire which Cersei had made.

Cersei's plan was to launch jars of wildfire at Stannis's troops with catapults. As Bronn pointed out, some wildfire would have been thrown back over the wall in that case, and the city, or substantial parts of it, may have burned.Tyrion's much better idea was to send one boat out into the harbor leaking wildfire, and then light it all up from long distance with a flaming arrow.

He planned some sneak attack which ended up with his men getting attacked from behind.

He rallied and led the troops when Joffrey and the Hound would not, and the rest of the Lannister army inside the wall was ready to call it quits. Even if that didn't have a big effect on the outcome, it showed leadership that nobody else in the city could match.

This is one point where a character really got shortchanged in the show due to deviation from the books. The concept and execution of the chain sealing off the river (which Tyrion was solely responsible for) was a big deal in establishing his competency (and also had a symbolic connection to some later events). I think it was a mistake leaving it out of the show.

This. ^

In the books Tyrion planned and won that war accordingly. He destroyed Stannis' fleet, rallied the troops to defend the mud gate after Joffrey retreated, and killed the assassin his sister sent after him while he was about to die. Tywin running off the remnants of Tannis' army is greatly overplayed in the HBO series. The fact that Tywin appointed him as the Hand of the King says how much confidence he has in him. Tywin's biggest problem is he doesn't want a halfling in the eyes of the public representing the name Lannister, but he had no choice as Cercei was screwing everything up.

My three favorite characters are Arya, Tyrion, and Daenerys in that order. HBO gave Tyrion very little credit for his efforts in this book.

1) Tyrion did not kill the assassin-- that was Pod, both in the book and show.2) Even with Tyrion's master plan, the Lannisters would have lost King's Landing without Tywin and the Tyrells arriving when they did.

From the ASOIAF wiki:

After the loss of the Hand, the defenders retreated within the city walls, freeing Stannis to transport enough men over the river to assault the city in earnest. Ser Guyard Morrigen led the van. Queen Cersei, fearing for her son, had King Joffrey withdraw to the Red Keep from amongst the men[14]; as soon as the defenders saw the king retire, their morale broke and they began throwing down their spears and fled by the hundreds leaving the walls, killing their officers, including Ser Jacelyn Bywater, in the process. At this point the battle seemed to be lost.

 

[Bronx Bomber]

Spoiler

You'll like the whitewalkers when Jon leads an army of them into King's Landing.

Spoiler

If this is at all accurate, it really should have been in spoilers. I'm kinda pissed I read this if in fact it is true.

he's just jerking you aroundYeah. I saw it too before it had a tag. I hope its not really a spoiler. If its true it definitely makes me want to hurry though the books to find out how it comes to be.

 

[mad sweeney]

First thing about writing on the series that I did not like. I am not really excited about the 'white walkers' or aka zombies.

The White Walkers, aka Others, aren't zombies. People they kill become the zombies (wights).Eta: the Walkers are extremely dangerous but thought of mostly as legends since they haven't been seen in 1000 years. So dangerous that they built a 700 foot tall, magically strengthened wall to keep the Others trapped.

 

[shadyridr]

Seriously, this posting fake (or possibly real) spoilers needs to stop

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Seriously, this posting fake (or possibly real) spoilers needs to stop

Yeah it does...WTF is wrong with people? Not cool.

 

[jdoggydogg]

Yeah, didn't get the burning of Winterfell either.

Why would Stark's bannermen do this? To smoke out the Greyjoy battalion?

 

[UniAlias]

After seeing some of the book-reader's responses to the House of Undying scene I'm really curious to read how it went down in the book. I thought it was a pretty good scene, although a little anti-climatic.

 

[gump]

After seeing some of the book-reader's responses to the House of Undying scene I'm really curious to read how it went down in the book. I thought it was a pretty good scene, although a little anti-climatic.

I read a summary here.....assume this is close to the book story and doesn't give away any spoilers at this point:http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/House_of_the_Undying

 

[jdoggydogg]

Spoiler

You'll like the whitewalkers when Jon leads an army of them into King's Landing.

If this is a real spoiler, you should get banned.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

cant wait for the elves and orcs to make an appearance!

 

[belljr]

I'm going back to the tv only thread

 

[Gr00vus]

After seeing some of the book-reader's responses to the House of Undying scene I'm really curious to read how it went down in the book. I thought it was a pretty good scene, although a little anti-climatic.

It's too hard to explain it all here. Not only is it an entire chapter, but it also references many other long running story threads. You're better off just reading it for yourself.I didn't have a problem with how they treated it in the show. In hindsight much of what goes down in that scene in the book would make absolutely no sense to someone who's only seen the show. I'm more confused by how/why they've changed the treatment of Dany's handmaidens than anything, but they're truly minor characters so even that isn't very important.Suffice it to say, pretty much the entirety of Dany's stay in Qarth was reworked for the show. I think they really need more time to tell this story. The limitations of 10-11 hours hampered this season in relation to the richness of the book and many of the characters on the show. Arya and Jon in particular really got shortchanged. I understand why they chose to curtail their time, but still I miss some of the interesting parts of their story that didn't make it on to the screen. 20 hours per season would be much better. One other thing that struck me in hindsight about the Blackwater episode, somewhat related to the omission of Tyrion's chain - no Salladhor Saan. It seems weird that they'd introduced such an interesting character in the 1st episode of the season and then didn't have him show up again at some point. I mean, at least one more affirmation of how much he wanted to #### the queen would have been nice.

 

[Tremendous Upside]

The actor who plays Theon, Alfie Allen, is singer Lily Allen's younger brother

She even wrote a song about him on her first album:

I did not know these things

 

[Fiddles]

Regardless, Tywin obviously didn't trust Tyrion to defend the city (rightly so), it won't be very difficult to write Tyrion out of the victory...what did Tyrion really do anyway? He launched the wildfire which Cersei had made.

Cersei's plan was to launch jars of wildfire at Stannis's troops with catapults. As Bronn pointed out, some wildfire would have been thrown back over the wall in that case, and the city, or substantial parts of it, may have burned.Tyrion's much better idea was to send one boat out into the harbor leaking wildfire, and then light it all up from long distance with a flaming arrow.

He planned some sneak attack which ended up with his men getting attacked from behind.

He rallied and led the troops when Joffrey and the Hound would not, and the rest of the Lannister army inside the wall was ready to call it quits. Even if that didn't have a big effect on the outcome, it showed leadership that nobody else in the city could match.

This is one point where a character really got shortchanged in the show due to deviation from the books. The concept and execution of the chain sealing off the river (which Tyrion was solely responsible for) was a big deal in establishing his competency (and also had a symbolic connection to some later events). I think it was a mistake leaving it out of the show.

whats the symbolic connection to later events? :whoosh:

 

[Gr00vus]

Regardless, Tywin obviously didn't trust Tyrion to defend the city (rightly so), it won't be very difficult to write Tyrion out of the victory...what did Tyrion really do anyway? He launched the wildfire which Cersei had made.

Cersei's plan was to launch jars of wildfire at Stannis's troops with catapults. As Bronn pointed out, some wildfire would have been thrown back over the wall in that case, and the city, or substantial parts of it, may have burned.Tyrion's much better idea was to send one boat out into the harbor leaking wildfire, and then light it all up from long distance with a flaming arrow.

He planned some sneak attack which ended up with his men getting attacked from behind.

He rallied and led the troops when Joffrey and the Hound would not, and the rest of the Lannister army inside the wall was ready to call it quits. Even if that didn't have a big effect on the outcome, it showed leadership that nobody else in the city could match.

This is one point where a character really got shortchanged in the show due to deviation from the books. The concept and execution of the chain sealing off the river (which Tyrion was solely responsible for) was a big deal in establishing his competency (and also had a symbolic connection to some later events). I think it was a mistake leaving it out of the show.

whats the symbolic connection to later events? :whoosh:

Spoiler

In the book, Tyrion actually had 2 chains made - one for the harbor, one for Shae's neck...

 

[EYLive]

Spoiler

You'll like the whitewalkers when Jon leads an army of them into King's Landing.

Spoiler

If this is at all accurate, it really should have been in spoilers. I'm kinda pissed I read this if in fact it is true.

Spoiler

he's just jerking you around

or is he???????'twas merely a jape.

 

[Slider6]

After seeing some of the book-reader's responses to the House of Undying scene I'm really curious to read how it went down in the book. I thought it was a pretty good scene, although a little anti-climatic.

I read a summary here.....assume this is close to the book story and doesn't give away any spoilers at this point:http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/House_of_the_Undying

There is actually a pretty big spoiler in the Visions section.

 

[Sinn Fein]

I wonder what the split is among viewers between book-readers, and non-book readers. And to what extent viewership will be impacted when current viewers read the books.

I know there have been deviations from the books, but I suspect no significant deviations from critical junctures. (i.e. characters will still end up where they need to be at a given cross-roads, but they may take a slightly different path getting there). As more people read the books, as a result of watching the series, I wonder if it loses its luster once most people :know: what is going to happen. How many will watch knowing the outcome/fate of various characters?

 

[culdeus]

I wonder what the split is among viewers between book-readers, and non-book readers. And to what extent viewership will be impacted when current viewers read the books.I know there have been deviations from the books, but I suspect no significant deviations from critical junctures. (i.e. characters will still end up where they need to be at a given cross-roads, but they may take a slightly different path getting there). As more people read the books, as a result of watching the series, I wonder if it loses its luster once most people :know: what is going to happen. How many will watch knowing the outcome/fate of various characters?

I'm starting the books now. I'm planning on getting to some semblance of a stopping point in the 3rd book and letting the TV show play out. If the TV and books diverge too much I'll just finish the books after the 3rd season is over.I guess ETA of next TV episode is sometime around 4/13. peas.

 

[Kraft...]

Couple TV things revealed I was disappointed in

Spoiler

That Littlefinger is helping Sansa. No Dontas middle man so the suspense of who Dontas is working for is lost. That went the entire 3rd book IIRC.

And the fact that Theon was left alive, wasn't clear in the books.

I understand that things need to be condensed for TV but was bummed those suspenseful stories were wrapped up early.

 

[gump]

After seeing some of the book-reader's responses to the House of Undying scene I'm really curious to read how it went down in the book. I thought it was a pretty good scene, although a little anti-climatic.

I read a summary here.....assume this is close to the book story and doesn't give away any spoilers at this point:http://awoiaf.wester..._of_the_Undying

There is actually a pretty big spoiler in the Visions section.

Not if you didn't read the books and don't click on other links, right? None of that means anything to me anyway.

 

[Bronx Bomber]

Im planning to finish the books before each season so that I can fill in the blanks and pick up on the details as I watch. And it will be nice to not have to worry about spoilers in this thread.

 

[Slider6]

After seeing some of the book-reader's responses to the House of Undying scene I'm really curious to read how it went down in the book. I thought it was a pretty good scene, although a little anti-climatic.

I read a summary here.....assume this is close to the book story and doesn't give away any spoilers at this point:http://awoiaf.wester..._of_the_Undying

There is actually a pretty big spoiler in the Visions section.

Not if you didn't read the books and don't click on other links, right? None of that means anything to me anyway.

I don't remember if you are a reader or not, so I'll explain in spoiler tags.

Spoiler

Vision #2 says its a reference to the Red Wedding and with the description of the vision, you can probably figure out what is going to happen.

 

[Slider6]

Couple TV things revealed I was disappointed in

Spoiler

That Littlefinger is helping Sansa. No Dontas middle man so the suspense of who Dontas is working for is lost. That went the entire 3rd book IIRC. And the fact that Theon was left alive, wasn't clear in the books. I understand that things need to be condensed for TV but was bummed those suspenseful stories were wrapped up early.

Spoiler

Am I mistaken or is the Jon arc way behind the Sam arc?

 

[Bigboy10182000]

I wonder what the split is among viewers between book-readers, and non-book readers. And to what extent viewership will be impacted when current viewers read the books.I know there have been deviations from the books, but I suspect no significant deviations from critical junctures. (i.e. characters will still end up where they need to be at a given cross-roads, but they may take a slightly different path getting there). As more people read the books, as a result of watching the series, I wonder if it loses its luster once most people :know: what is going to happen. How many will watch knowing the outcome/fate of various characters?

I started reading the books after season 1. I thought I'd be disappointed in what the show left out like I typically am when reading a book but I wasn't with the show. The different paths they took to get places made the show more interesting to me.

 

[Charlie Frown]

"After all, as some of you like to point out in your emails, I am sixty years old and fat, and you don't want me to 'pull a Robert Jordan' on you and deny you your book. Okay, I've got the message. You don't want me doing anything except A Song of Ice and Fire. Ever. (Well, maybe it's okay if I take a leak once in a while?)

—George R. R. Martin on his blog in 2009[100]

 

[Bigboy10182000]

"After all, as some of you like to point out in your emails, I am sixty years old and fat, and you don't want me to 'pull a Robert Jordan' on you and deny you your book. Okay, I've got the message. You don't want me doing anything except A Song of Ice and Fire. Ever. (Well, maybe it's okay if I take a leak once in a while?)—George R. R. Martin on his blog in 2009[100]

How big of a worry is his age and condition? His books are the first of this kind that I've read. I normally only read non-fiction and it's a quick one and done. Would someone just take over writing them or are they already written and waiting for release? How would all of this work?

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

"After all, as some of you like to point out in your emails, I am sixty years old and fat, and you don't want me to 'pull a Robert Jordan' on you and deny you your book. Okay, I've got the message. You don't want me doing anything except A Song of Ice and Fire. Ever. (Well, maybe it's okay if I take a leak once in a while?)—George R. R. Martin on his blog in 2009[100]

How big of a worry is his age and condition? His books are the first of this kind that I've read. I normally only read non-fiction and it's a quick one and done. Would someone just take over writing them or are they already written and waiting for release? How would all of this work?

From what I think I remember reading somewhere, maybe in this thread, he doesn't want anyone else to finish the books for him, but he does want HBO to finish the TV show, and he's told somebody at HBO how the plot is supposed to unfold.

 

[Charlie Frown]

cant wait for the elves and orcs to make an appearance!

Spoiler

You will get half your wish. Sort of.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

"After all, as some of you like to point out in your emails, I am sixty years old and fat, and you don't want me to 'pull a Robert Jordan' on you and deny you your book. Okay, I've got the message. You don't want me doing anything except A Song of Ice and Fire. Ever. (Well, maybe it's okay if I take a leak once in a while?)—George R. R. Martin on his blog in 2009[100]

How big of a worry is his age and condition? His books are the first of this kind that I've read. I normally only read non-fiction and it's a quick one and done. Would someone just take over writing them or are they already written and waiting for release? How would all of this work?

From what I think I remember reading somewhere, maybe in this thread, he doesn't want anyone else to finish the books for him, but he does want HBO to finish the TV show, and he's told somebody at HBO how the plot is supposed to unfold.

Figures the one series I start to read has the thread of a dying author...awesome.

 

[Brady Marino]

Rewatching the last episode again and it just now struck me how much Arya looks like her mother Catelyn. One of the most believable mother-daughter combos in television history as far as looks go, IMO.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

While I love Jon Snow's stuff so far in Storm of Swords I think I like the angle they went on the show better, anyone else feel the same?

 

[Chaka]

Anything we can do to get EYLive to stop pissing in this thread?

 

[Maik Jeaunz]

question for book-readers...

if Tyrion put up a chain to keep Stannis' fleet in the harbor, how did Stannis get away in the book?

 

[Bigboy10182000]

question for book-readers...if Tyrion put up a chain to keep Stannis' fleet in the harbor, how did Stannis get away in the book?

He never went in...he stayed away and watched the fighting

 

[Brady Marino]

Anything we can do to get EYLive to stop pissing in this thread?

Report him and hope one of the mods has read the books before?Nevermind, offending posts have been removed.

 

[sn0mm1s]

While I love Jon Snow's stuff so far in Storm of Swords I think I like the angle they went on the show better, anyone else feel the same?

Spoiler

Not really. The deaths of the other guys with him are his fault in the show - that isn't the case in the book. Also, we are completely missing Jon seeing through Ghost's eyes and Varamyr Six Skins. Basically, what is a conscious decision in the book (releasing Ygritte) is now a bumbling mistake that results in him being captured and everyone else being killed.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

While I love Jon Snow's stuff so far in Storm of Swords I think I like the angle they went on the show better, anyone else feel the same?

Spoiler

Not really. The deaths of the other guys with him are his fault in the show - that isn't the case in the book. Also, we are completely missing Jon seeing through Ghost's eyes and Varamyr Six Skins. Basically, what is a conscious decision in the book (releasing Ygritte) is now a bumbling mistake that results in him being captured and everyone else being killed.

Spoiler

I agree. My only (minor) complaint about the Jon Snow storyline in the tv show is that he seems a bit of a moron.

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