HBO - Song of Ice&Fire Series -Varsity Thread - no TV only whiners (5 Viewers)

[Kraft...]

Wait... so they are calling it the war of 5 Kings but they don't know about Dany (nor is she waging war) and they don't know about the Wildlings King beyond the Wall.... so, where are they getting 5 Kings? They being like how Tywin mentions 'they are calling it the war of five kings'

Jeff, Rob, Stanis, Renly and Balin Greyjoy

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Spoiler

I guess no Jojen and Meera Reed

I was a little disappointed in that. I thought after last week that they would be in this one but oh well. I wonder how

Spoiler

they're going to seperate Bran and Rickon later on or even if they are on the show

Don't read the spoiler if you havent read Storm of Swords

Wait... so they are calling it the war of 5 Kings but they don't know about Dany (nor is she waging war) and they don't know about the Wildlings King beyond the Wall.... so, where are they getting 5 Kings? They being like how Tywin mentions 'they are calling it the war of five kings'

That's a good question. I guess the 5 are Joffery, Stannis, Renly, Rob and Balin Greyjoy .

 

[EYLive]

Spoiler

I guess no Jojen and Meera Reed

I was a little disappointed in that. I thought after last week that they would be in this one but oh well. I wonder how

Spoiler

they're going to seperate Bran and Rickon later on or even if they are on the show

Don't read the spoiler if you havent read Storm of Swords

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I'm about a third of the way through ADWD, and Rickon and Osha were never mentioned again after they split from Bran's group. I'm hoping he and Shaggy Dog resurface before it's all over.

 

[Chadstroma]

Wait... so they are calling it the war of 5 Kings but they don't know about Dany (nor is she waging war) and they don't know about the Wildlings King beyond the Wall.... so, where are they getting 5 Kings? They being like how Tywin mentions 'they are calling it the war of five kings'

Jeff, Rob, Stanis, Renly and Balin Greyjoy

Greyjoy just jumped into the fray, raiding. So, will they amend it to the war of 6 kings? (renly being deceased)

 

[Steed]

Spoiler

I guess no Jojen and Meera Reed

I was a little disappointed in that. I thought after last week that they would be in this one but oh well. I wonder how

Spoiler

they're going to seperate Bran and Rickon later on or even if they are on the show

Don't read the spoiler if you havent read Storm of Swords

Wait... so they are calling it the war of 5 Kings but they don't know about Dany (nor is she waging war) and they don't know about the Wildlings King beyond the Wall.... so, where are they getting 5 Kings? They being like how Tywin mentions 'they are calling it the war of five kings'

That's a good question. I guess the 5 are Joffery, Stannis, Renly, Rob and Balin Greyjoy .With Renly it was five kings and he's the first casualty. You gotta figure at least a few more kings are slayed, doesn't change the name of the war in the end.

 

[shuke]

Not sure why the coming attractions said there are only 2 episodes left?Most GOT sites list 3 more. . .The Prince of WinterfellBlackwaterValar Morghulis

I'm guessing someone intended that to say only 2 more before the epic finale and someone at HBO screwed up.

 

[shuke]

Damn, Ygritte gets my motor running.

 

[EYLive]

Damn, Ygritte gets my motor running.

In the books, I got the impression that she was hot in a "women you find oddly attractive" kind of way. This actress is downright saucy, even when dressed like chewbanka.

 

[Abrantes]

A few months back, noobs in this thread were saying that the Ygritte actress wasn't even attractive.

 

[Major]

Damn, Ygritte gets my motor running.

she's also bringing the lols...form and function

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

A few months back, noobs in this thread were saying that the Ygritte actress wasn't even attractive.

dirty mouth on that one

 

[Chadstroma]

A few months back, noobs in this thread were saying that the Ygritte actress wasn't even attractive.

I don't find her attractive. Then again, I am not much for red heads. I think you imagine her body being better than it is (from google pictures of her, it is very 12 year old boyish to me) with all that winter clothing. That said, her character is kind of 'sexy' with the gyrating, flirting and the accent.

 

[EYLive]

A few months back, noobs in this thread were saying that the Ygritte actress wasn't even attractive.

I don't find her attractive. Then again, I am not much for red heads. I think you imagine her body being better than it is (from google pictures of her, it is very 12 year old boyish to me) with all that winter clothing. That said, her character is kind of 'sexy' with the gyrating, flirting and the accent.

What is that? Scottish? Irish?

 

[EYLive]

A few months back, noobs in this thread were saying that the Ygritte actress wasn't even attractive.

:swoon:

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Am I alone in being excited that the show take so many different paths from the book? It's like I'm getting a 2 for 1 with the book and the show.

 

[TeamDingo]

Spoiler

I'm about a third of the way through ADWD, and Rickon and Osha were never mentioned again after they split from Bran's group. I'm hoping he and Shaggy Dog resurface before it's all over.

Spoiler

Shaggydog and their location are referenced in the first Jon chapter in ADwD

 

[Abrantes]

A few months back, noobs in this thread were saying that the Ygritte actress wasn't even attractive.

:swoon:

 

[jdelsas]

A few months back, noobs in this thread were saying that the Ygritte actress wasn't even attractive.

I don't find pale red heads attractive, so IMO, I wouldn't touch her with Jon Snow's dagger.ETA: I guess all red heads are pale in most cases

 

[Major]

A few months back, noobs in this thread were saying that the Ygritte actress wasn't even attractive.

:swoon:

I can't believe tha ******* didn't bang the ginger. What a wimp

 

[Gr00vus]

The series has turned Dany from a conqueror into a begger like her brother. :(

Hadn't really thought about it that way, but at this point, you're kinda right.

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IMO she didn't really come into her own until after the house of the undying in the book either, so the show still seems on track to me with that. Why they're taking the particular deviations from the book with her path/motivation for going there remains to be seen. I think it's simplifying things for the show a bit, which is o.k., but this whole King of Qarth and wiping out the rest of the 13 seems like a big/unnecessary departure that will have ripple effects through out the rest of the story that didn't exist in the book. It's a pretty drastic change for the Xaro character.

 

[Gr00vus]

On one viewing it felt like there was too much talking in last night's episode.

Seems like Tywin might know who his cupbearer actually is.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

The series has turned Dany from a conqueror into a begger like her brother. :(

Hadn't really thought about it that way, but at this point, you're kinda right.

Spoiler

IMO she didn't really come into her own until after the house of the undying in the book either, so the show still seems on track to me with that. Why they're taking the particular deviations from the book with her path/motivation for going there remains to be seen. I think it's simplifying things for the show a bit, which is o.k., but this whole King of Qarth and wiping out the rest of the 13 seems like a big/unnecessary departure that will have ripple effects through out the rest of the story that didn't exist in the book. It's a pretty drastic change for the Xaro character.

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but the killing of the 11 of the 13 was sweet.

 

[renesauz]

The series has turned Dany from a conqueror into a begger like her brother. :(

Hadn't really thought about it that way, but at this point, you're kinda right.

Spoiler

IMO she didn't really come into her own until after the house of the undying in the book either, so the show still seems on track to me with that. Why they're taking the particular deviations from the book with her path/motivation for going there remains to be seen. I think it's simplifying things for the show a bit, which is o.k., but this whole King of Qarth and wiping out the rest of the 13 seems like a big/unnecessary departure that will have ripple effects through out the rest of the story that didn't exist in the book. It's a pretty drastic change for the Xaro character.

I don't remember the particulars of that part of the book that clearly but it just seemed Dany always had it together a little more than this.Disagree...she's still too young. Even in ADWD she still has moments where she's not QUITE together.

 

[Ilov80s]

The series has turned Dany from a conqueror into a begger like her brother. :(

Hadn't really thought about it that way, but at this point, you're kinda right.

Spoiler

IMO she didn't really come into her own until after the house of the undying in the book either, so the show still seems on track to me with that. Why they're taking the particular deviations from the book with her path/motivation for going there remains to be seen. I think it's simplifying things for the show a bit, which is o.k., but this whole King of Qarth and wiping out the rest of the 13 seems like a big/unnecessary departure that will have ripple effects through out the rest of the story that didn't exist in the book. It's a pretty drastic change for the Xaro character.

Spoiler

I don't remember the particulars of that part of the book that clearly but it just seemed Dany always had it together a little more than this.

Disagree...she's still too young. Even in ADWD she still has moments where she's not QUITE together.That should probably be in a spoiler tag.

 

[Balco]

Seems like Tywin might know who his cupbearer actually is.

I think he absolutely knows who it is. I am very interested in how that storyline turns out.

 

[Maik Jeaunz]

Seems like Tywin might know who his cupbearer actually is.

I think he absolutely knows who it is. I am very interested in how that storyline turns out.

just my opinion, but I don't think so. I think he's just enjoying the ironic company of this servant girl who appears to be smarter than his own commanding officers. I don't think there's any reason for him to suspect that Arya is not still trapped within the capital. if he really thought it was her, she would be the first suspect if he thought someone was trying to assassinate him.

 

[Brady Marino]

Arya has been awesome all series, and her interactions with Tywin might be one of, if not THE, best running storyline of the season so far.

 

[Balco]

Seems like Tywin might know who his cupbearer actually is.

I think he absolutely knows who it is. I am very interested in how that storyline turns out.

just my opinion, but I don't think so. I think he's just enjoying the ironic company of this servant girl who appears to be smarter than his own commanding officers. I don't think there's any reason for him to suspect that Arya is not still trapped within the capital. if he really thought it was her, she would be the first suspect if he thought someone was trying to assassinate him.

You know what? That is a great point. He just seems so suspicious of her and her intelligence for someone who allegedly was a stone mason's child.

 

[Balco]

Arya has been awesome all series, and her interactions with Tywin might be one of, if not THE, best running storyline of the season so far.

 

[Mario Kart]

Arya has been awesome all series, and her interactions with Tywin might be one of, if not THE, best running storyline of the season so far.

Odds she gets nominated for something? She has played her part/scenes very well. Her story so far is great.Dany's story is as strong as ever I think because when she comes into her own with those dragons she is going to be badass... I hope since I have not read past the first book yet.Jon Snow's story is pretty good too. Not sure what the culmination is going to be but he does do well in his scenes.I'm not liking Joffrey but at least he was not in the last episode. I hope he bites it soon.

 

[Brady Marino]

Arya has been awesome all series, and her interactions with Tywin might be one of, if not THE, best running storyline of the season so far.

Odds she gets nominated for something? She has played her part/scenes very well. Her story so far is great.

She should. She's earned it.

Dany's story is as strong as ever I think because when she comes into her own with those dragons she is going to be badass... I hope since I have not read past the first book yet.

I sure hope you're right. My guess is they're building to her going all Michael Corleone on Quarth.

Jon Snow's story is pretty good too. Not sure what the culmination is going to be but he does do well in his scenes.

Disagree. I'm not a fan of the character at all so far. Still holding hope that he grows a spine.

I'm not liking Joffrey but at least he was not in the last episode. I hope he bites it soon.

His character wasn't made to last, I don't think. Yeah, he's great at playing a total ####, but he's so hardcore that he's going to get burned badly.

 

[Maelstrom]

Seems like Tywin might know who his cupbearer actually is.

I think he absolutely knows who it is. I am very interested in how that storyline turns out.

just my opinion, but I don't think so. I think he's just enjoying the ironic company of this servant girl who appears to be smarter than his own commanding officers. I don't think there's any reason for him to suspect that Arya is not still trapped within the capital. if he really thought it was her, she would be the first suspect if he thought someone was trying to assassinate him.

You know what? That is a great point. He just seems so suspicious of her and her intelligence for someone who allegedly was a stone mason's child.

He knows something is up, but I don't think he knows WHO she is. They kept her disappearance from the capitol very quiet, pretty sure Littlefinger told Lady Stark that both girls were doing just fine when she asked about them when they met in Renly's camp. Definitely not something they would have put in a raven's message or trusted to a messenger.

 

[mad sweeney]

Seems like Tywin might know who his cupbearer actually is.

I think he absolutely knows who it is. I am very interested in how that storyline turns out.

just my opinion, but I don't think so. I think he's just enjoying the ironic company of this servant girl who appears to be smarter than his own commanding officers. I don't think there's any reason for him to suspect that Arya is not still trapped within the capital. if he really thought it was her, she would be the first suspect if he thought someone was trying to assassinate him.

Gotta agree. He knows she's something, but I can't imagine with how much he wants Jaime back that he wouldn't lock her up immediately if he knew.

 

[Mile High]

Seems like Tywin might know who his cupbearer actually is.

I think he absolutely knows who it is. I am very interested in how that storyline turns out.

just my opinion, but I don't think so. I think he's just enjoying the ironic company of this servant girl who appears to be smarter than his own commanding officers. I don't think there's any reason for him to suspect that Arya is not still trapped within the capital. if he really thought it was her, she would be the first suspect if he thought someone was trying to assassinate him.

You know what? That is a great point. He just seems so suspicious of her and her intelligence for someone who allegedly was a stone mason's child.

He knows she is more then she is pretending to be, but I don't think he knows who she really is.

 

[Mile High]

Arya has been awesome all series, and her interactions with Tywin might be one of, if not THE, best running storyline of the season so far.

Odds she gets nominated for something? She has played her part/scenes very well. Her story so far is great.

She should. She's earned it.

Dany's story is as strong as ever I think because when she comes into her own with those dragons she is going to be badass... I hope since I have not read past the first book yet.

I sure hope you're right. My guess is they're building to her going all Michael Corleone on Quarth.

Jon Snow's story is pretty good too. Not sure what the culmination is going to be but he does do well in his scenes.

Disagree. I'm not a fan of the character at all so far. Still holding hope that he grows a spine.

I'm not liking Joffrey but at least he was not in the last episode. I hope he bites it soon.

His character wasn't made to last, I don't think. Yeah, he's great at playing a total ####, but he's so hardcore that he's going to get burned badly.

Seemed like Tyrion was hinting to Cersei that maybe it would be better if Joffrey was out of the way.

 

[Mario Kart]

I think one huge piece of information that cannot be explained all that well is how old these characters are. The actors are older than their characters actual age.

Character 	book age  	TV age  	Actor age  Eddard Stark	35	40	52Catelyn Stark	34	35	39Robb Stark	14	17	25Jon Snow	14	17	25Sansa Stark	11	13	13Arya Stark	9	11	11Bran Stark	7	10	11(?)Robert Baratheon	36	40	47Joffrey Baratheon	13	13	18Tyrion Lannister	24	30	40Jaime Lannister	32	35	40Cersei Lannister	32	35	37Sandor Clegane	27 (?)		42Theon Greyjoy	19	19	24Viserys Targaryen 	23	20	27Daenerys Targaryen	13	15	22Jorah Mormont	40	40	49

 

[mad sweeney]

There are a lot of time restrictions for actors under 18 years old, so that's a big part of it especially for Robb and Jon.

 

[Mario Kart]

There are a lot of time restrictions for actors under 18 years old, so that's a big part of it especially for Robb and Jon.

I understand that but these actors look older than what they are playing. So, Jon has a 25 year old man playing a 14 year old, right now. Some of his behavior does not make sense for someone in the 20-25 year old range but does for a 14 year old. People tend to forget this. Same with Arya, 15 playing a 9. Even Dany since she is 25 and some of her actions do not make sense but for a 13 year old girl, they do.

 

[mad sweeney]

There are a lot of time restrictions for actors under 18 years old, so that's a big part of it especially for Robb and Jon.

I understand that but these actors look older than what they are playing. So, Jon has a 25 year old man playing a 14 year old, right now. Some of his behavior does not make sense for someone in the 20-25 year old range but does for a 14 year old. People tend to forget this. Same with Arya, 15 playing a 9. Even Dany since she is 25 and some of her actions do not make sense but for a 13 year old girl, they do.

Jon's a 25 year old playing a 17 year old.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Great episode.

My only issue is

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i wish they didnt foreshadow at all with those orphan boys. I feel like they made it too obvious that he killed them and not Bran and Rickon. Why not make it a more grusome cliffhanger?

 

[shadyridr]

There are a lot of time restrictions for actors under 18 years old, so that's a big part of it especially for Robb and Jon.

I understand that but these actors look older than what they are playing. So, Jon has a 25 year old man playing a 14 year old, right now. Some of his behavior does not make sense for someone in the 20-25 year old range but does for a 14 year old. People tend to forget this. Same with Arya, 15 playing a 9. Even Dany since she is 25 and some of her actions do not make sense but for a 13 year old girl, they do.

They cant hire child actors because it will be another Walt from Lost situation. Im curious to see how they keep Arya from aging too quickly

 

[Mario Kart]

There are a lot of time restrictions for actors under 18 years old, so that's a big part of it especially for Robb and Jon.

I understand that but these actors look older than what they are playing. So, Jon has a 25 year old man playing a 14 year old, right now. Some of his behavior does not make sense for someone in the 20-25 year old range but does for a 14 year old. People tend to forget this. Same with Arya, 15 playing a 9. Even Dany since she is 25 and some of her actions do not make sense but for a 13 year old girl, they do.

They cant hire child actors because it will be another Walt from Lost situation. Im curious to see how they keep Arya from aging too quickly

I get this but for people not familiar with the books they may not know the actual ages of the characters. Thus, some mannerisms that speak to a much younger person do not relate with the viewer because they see an older character depicted on tv. And, Jon Snow's book age is 14, tv age is 17. But, we see a 25 year old supposed to be acting like a 14-17 year old. Some mannerisms do not match up. Overall, I think this aspect is being misread by viewers not familiar with the books.

 

[shuke]

There are a lot of time restrictions for actors under 18 years old, so that's a big part of it especially for Robb and Jon.

I understand that but these actors look older than what they are playing. So, Jon has a 25 year old man playing a 14 year old, right now. Some of his behavior does not make sense for someone in the 20-25 year old range but does for a 14 year old. People tend to forget this. Same with Arya, 15 playing a 9. Even Dany since she is 25 and some of her actions do not make sense but for a 13 year old girl, they do.

They cant hire child actors because it will be another Walt from Lost situation. Im curious to see how they keep Arya from aging too quickly

I get this but for people not familiar with the books they may not know the actual ages of the characters. Thus, some mannerisms that speak to a much younger person do not relate with the viewer because they see an older character depicted on tv. And, Jon Snow's book age is 14, tv age is 17. But, we see a 25 year old supposed to be acting like a 14-17 year old. Some mannerisms do not match up. Overall, I think this aspect is being misread by viewers not familiar with the books.

I think you're really overthinking this.

 

[mad sweeney]

There are a lot of time restrictions for actors under 18 years old, so that's a big part of it especially for Robb and Jon.

I understand that but these actors look older than what they are playing. So, Jon has a 25 year old man playing a 14 year old, right now. Some of his behavior does not make sense for someone in the 20-25 year old range but does for a 14 year old. People tend to forget this. Same with Arya, 15 playing a 9. Even Dany since she is 25 and some of her actions do not make sense but for a 13 year old girl, they do.

They cant hire child actors because it will be another Walt from Lost situation. Im curious to see how they keep Arya from aging too quickly

I get this but for people not familiar with the books they may not know the actual ages of the characters. Thus, some mannerisms that speak to a much younger person do not relate with the viewer because they see an older character depicted on tv. And, Jon Snow's book age is 14, tv age is 17. But, we see a 25 year old supposed to be acting like a 14-17 year old. Some mannerisms do not match up. Overall, I think this aspect is being misread by viewers not familiar with the books.

No, we see a 25 year old acting like a 17 year old. They aged the character, like they did most of them.

 

[Sabertooth]

Was Tyrion planting the seed of regicide and infanticide in Cercei's mind there? Seems he was stopping just short of that.

 

[gump]

I agree with Mario's point...but only on certain characters...agree when it comes to Jon for example, but not for Robb.

 

[belljr]

There are a lot of time restrictions for actors under 18 years old, so that's a big part of it especially for Robb and Jon.

I understand that but these actors look older than what they are playing. So, Jon has a 25 year old man playing a 14 year old, right now. Some of his behavior does not make sense for someone in the 20-25 year old range but does for a 14 year old. People tend to forget this. Same with Arya, 15 playing a 9. Even Dany since she is 25 and some of her actions do not make sense but for a 13 year old girl, they do.

I didn't read the books and this doesn't seem like an issue to me.90% of the time in movies and tv shows adults are playing kids roles

 

[bigbottom]

There are a lot of time restrictions for actors under 18 years old, so that's a big part of it especially for Robb and Jon.

I understand that but these actors look older than what they are playing. So, Jon has a 25 year old man playing a 14 year old, right now. Some of his behavior does not make sense for someone in the 20-25 year old range but does for a 14 year old. People tend to forget this. Same with Arya, 15 playing a 9. Even Dany since she is 25 and some of her actions do not make sense but for a 13 year old girl, they do.

I didn't read the books and this doesn't seem like an issue to me.90% of the time in movies and tv shows adults are playing kids roles

Yeah, not sure graphic sex scenes with a 13-year-old Dany would have gone over very well.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Was Tyrion planting the seed of regicide and infanticide in Cercei's mind there? Seems he was stopping just short of that.

That's how it appeared to me and it also appeared to me that she understood why and to an extent even felt the same way, JMO.

 

[CBusAlex]

He knows something is up, but I don't think he knows WHO she is. They kept her disappearance from the capitol very quiet, pretty sure Littlefinger told Lady Stark that both girls were doing just fine when she asked about them when they met in Renly's camp. Definitely not something they would have put in a raven's message or trusted to a messenger.

Good point. Tyrion didn't know that Arya was missing until he got to King's Landing; Tywin might not either.