HBO - Song of Ice&Fire Series -Varsity Thread - no TV only whiners (1 Viewer)

[GroveDiesel]

I'm not sure whether it will be this next episode or the one after, but I can't wait to see Dany and the House of the Undying. That whole thing is just flat out made for tv and should be epic.

 

[jdoggydogg]

Seems like Tywin might know who his cupbearer actually is.

I think he absolutely knows who it is. I am very interested in how that storyline turns out.

just my opinion, but I don't think so. I think he's just enjoying the ironic company of this servant girl who appears to be smarter than his own commanding officers. I don't think there's any reason for him to suspect that Arya is not still trapped within the capital. if he really thought it was her, she would be the first suspect if he thought someone was trying to assassinate him.

You know what? That is a great point. He just seems so suspicious of her and her intelligence for someone who allegedly was a stone mason's child.

He knows she is more then she is pretending to be, but I don't think he knows who she really is.

I think Mrs. Dogg is right: if he knew that was Aria, she'd be a very valuable hostage in this war. I think he knows something is fishy, but he doesn't know it's her.

 

[Major]

Seems like Tywin might know who his cupbearer actually is.

I think he absolutely knows who it is. I am very interested in how that storyline turns out.

just my opinion, but I don't think so. I think he's just enjoying the ironic company of this servant girl who appears to be smarter than his own commanding officers. I don't think there's any reason for him to suspect that Arya is not still trapped within the capital. if he really thought it was her, she would be the first suspect if he thought someone was trying to assassinate him.

You know what? That is a great point. He just seems so suspicious of her and her intelligence for someone who allegedly was a stone mason's child.

He knows she is more then she is pretending to be, but I don't think he knows who she really is.

I think Mrs. Dogg is right: if he knew that was Aria, she'd be a very valuable hostage in this war. I think he knows something is fishy, but he doesn't know it's her.

Yep. He's still intrigued and trying to solve the puzzle. He knows he has something.

 

[Maik Jeaunz]

I think one huge piece of information that cannot be explained all that well is how old these characters are. The actors are older than their characters actual age.

Character 	book age  	TV age  	Actor age  Eddard Stark	35	40	52Catelyn Stark	34	35	39Robb Stark	14	17	25Jon Snow	14	17	25Sansa Stark	11	13	13Arya Stark	9	11	11Bran Stark	7	10	11(?)Robert Baratheon	36	40	47Joffrey Baratheon	13	13	18Tyrion Lannister	24	30	40Jaime Lannister	32	35	40Cersei Lannister	32	35	37Sandor Clegane	27 (?)		42Theon Greyjoy	19	19	24Viserys Targaryen 	23	20	27Daenerys Targaryen	13	15	22Jorah Mormont	40	40	49

wait, so Dany is supposed to be 15 in the TV show? I should probably be locked up for some of the thoughts I've had, then...

 

[EYLive]

Seems like Tywin might know who his cupbearer actually is.

I think he absolutely knows who it is. I am very interested in how that storyline turns out.

just my opinion, but I don't think so. I think he's just enjoying the ironic company of this servant girl who appears to be smarter than his own commanding officers. I don't think there's any reason for him to suspect that Arya is not still trapped within the capital. if he really thought it was her, she would be the first suspect if he thought someone was trying to assassinate him.

You know what? That is a great point. He just seems so suspicious of her and her intelligence for someone who allegedly was a stone mason's child.

He knows she is more then she is pretending to be, but I don't think he knows who she really is.

I think Mrs. Dogg is right: if he knew that was Aria, she'd be a very valuable hostage in this war. I think he knows something is fishy, but he doesn't know it's her.

Tywin's got a lot on his plate (not mutton). He's losing a war to Robb. His son is captured. His daughter is nuts. The ID of his cupbearer isn't a big deal for him. He finds her amusing, but that's about it.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Damn, Ygritte gets my motor running.

In the books, I got the impression that she was hot in a "women you find oddly attractive" kind of way. This actress is downright saucy, even when dressed like chewbanka.

lol

 

[Gr00vus]

Seems like Tywin might know who his cupbearer actually is.

I think he absolutely knows who it is. I am very interested in how that storyline turns out.

just my opinion, but I don't think so. I think he's just enjoying the ironic company of this servant girl who appears to be smarter than his own commanding officers. I don't think there's any reason for him to suspect that Arya is not still trapped within the capital. if he really thought it was her, she would be the first suspect if he thought someone was trying to assassinate him.

You know what? That is a great point. He just seems so suspicious of her and her intelligence for someone who allegedly was a stone mason's child.

He knows she is more then she is pretending to be, but I don't think he knows who she really is.

I think Mrs. Dogg is right: if he knew that was Aria, she'd be a very valuable hostage in this war. I think he knows something is fishy, but he doesn't know it's her.

Tywin's got a lot on his plate (not mutton). He's losing a war to Robb. His son is captured. His daughter is nuts. The ID of his cupbearer isn't a big deal for him. He finds her amusing, but that's about it.

He knows she was escaping north disguised as a boy among those headed to the wall to join the night's watch, a group that left King's Landing right after Ned Stark's beheading and Arya's disappearance. I think he finds her more than amusing at this point given how much he's been able to read off her in their interactions. Maybe he doesn't know/think she's Arya Stark, but he's probably sure she's not just some random peasant girl either.

 

[Drifter]

Seems like Tywin might know who his cupbearer actually is.

I think he absolutely knows who it is. I am very interested in how that storyline turns out.

just my opinion, but I don't think so. I think he's just enjoying the ironic company of this servant girl who appears to be smarter than his own commanding officers. I don't think there's any reason for him to suspect that Arya is not still trapped within the capital. if he really thought it was her, she would be the first suspect if he thought someone was trying to assassinate him.

You know what? That is a great point. He just seems so suspicious of her and her intelligence for someone who allegedly was a stone mason's child.

He knows she is more then she is pretending to be, but I don't think he knows who she really is.

I think Mrs. Dogg is right: if he knew that was Aria, she'd be a very valuable hostage in this war. I think he knows something is fishy, but he doesn't know it's her.

Tywin's got a lot on his plate (not mutton). He's losing a war to Robb. His son is captured. His daughter is nuts. The ID of his cupbearer isn't a big deal for him. He finds her amusing, but that's about it.

He knows she was escaping north disguised as a boy among those headed to the wall to join the night's watch, a group that left King's Landing right after Ned Stark's beheading and Arya's disappearance. I think he finds her more than amusing at this point given how much he's been able to read off her in their interactions. Maybe he doesn't know/think she's Arya Stark, but he's probably sure she's not just some random peasant girl either.

He doesn't know what group she came in with - only that she was a prisoner when he arrived. I doubt they were ID'ing and cataloging the prisoners they brought in on their sweeps looking for coin and the Brotherhood. At this point, he just knows that she's not the daughter of a stone mason and that she is well bred. There are tons of well bred folks running around. Jumping right to her being Arya Stark would be a huge leap - especially since he hasn't been told that she's not still in King's Landing.

 

[Gr00vus]

He doesn't know what group she came in with - only that she was a prisoner when he arrived. I doubt they were ID'ing and cataloging the prisoners they brought in on their sweeps looking for coin and the Brotherhood. At this point, he just knows that she's not the daughter of a stone mason and that she is well bred. There are tons of well bred folks running around. Jumping right to her being Arya Stark would be a huge leap - especially since he hasn't been told that she's not still in King's Landing.

I figure Lorch would have mentioned it at some point - they did fight and lose some men as a result of holding Joren's group up trying to find Robert's offspring. It wasn't some random group of outlaws they brought her in with. Also I'm not so certain he isn't aware of Arya's absence from King's Landing. You have to think he's in communication with Tyrion and that the subject has been broached in relation to possible deals to get Jamie released.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

The whole m'lady and my lady stuff was in the book, but I forget who actually said it to her and what happened afterwards.

 

[Gr00vus]

The whole m'lady and my lady stuff was in the book, but I forget who actually said it to her and what happened afterwards.

Spoiler

IIRC that conversation actually happens between Sansa and Littlefinger much later in the series when she's posing as his natural child.

 

[Sabertooth]

Was Tyrion planting the seed of regicide and infanticide in Cercei's mind there? Seems he was stopping just short of that.

That's how it appeared to me and it also appeared to me that she understood why and to an extent even felt the same way, JMO.

Which is interesting considering her conversation with Sansa about loving you children and having no choice. And also how Sansa should concentrate on that instead of trying to love Joffrey.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

The whole m'lady and my lady stuff was in the book, but I forget who actually said it to her and what happened afterwards.

Spoiler

IIRC that conversation actually happens between Sansa and Littlefinger much later in the series when she's posing as natural child.

You're right!

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Tywin's got a lot on his plate (not mutton). He's losing a war to Robb. His son is captured. His daughter is nuts. The ID of his cupbearer isn't a big deal for him. He finds her amusing, but that's about it.

FWIW this is how I took it as well.I agree that he is interested but I don't think he thinks she is anything special

 

[=Smackdown=]

I'm not sure whether it will be this next episode or the one after, but I can't wait to see Dany and the House of the Undying. That whole thing is just flat out made for tv and should be epic.

 

[Maik Jeaunz]

He doesn't know what group she came in with - only that she was a prisoner when he arrived. I doubt they were ID'ing and cataloging the prisoners they brought in on their sweeps looking for coin and the Brotherhood. At this point, he just knows that she's not the daughter of a stone mason and that she is well bred. There are tons of well bred folks running around. Jumping right to her being Arya Stark would be a huge leap - especially since he hasn't been told that she's not still in King's Landing.

my guess is that he will figure out who she is immediately after she escapes his custody.

 

[Abrantes]

He doesn't know what group she came in with - only that she was a prisoner when he arrived. I doubt they were ID'ing and cataloging the prisoners they brought in on their sweeps looking for coin and the Brotherhood. At this point, he just knows that she's not the daughter of a stone mason and that she is well bred. There are tons of well bred folks running around. Jumping right to her being Arya Stark would be a huge leap - especially since he hasn't been told that she's not still in King's Landing.

my guess is that he will figure out who she is immediately after she escapes his custody.

Solid guess.

 

[Funktrain]

Seems like Tywin might know who his cupbearer actually is.

I think he absolutely knows who it is. I am very interested in how that storyline turns out.

just my opinion, but I don't think so. I think he's just enjoying the ironic company of this servant girl who appears to be smarter than his own commanding officers. I don't think there's any reason for him to suspect that Arya is not still trapped within the capital. if he really thought it was her, she would be the first suspect if he thought someone was trying to assassinate him.

You know what? That is a great point. He just seems so suspicious of her and her intelligence for someone who allegedly was a stone mason's child.

He knows she is more then she is pretending to be, but I don't think he knows who she really is.

I think Mrs. Dogg is right: if he knew that was Aria, she'd be a very valuable hostage in this war. I think he knows something is fishy, but he doesn't know it's her.

Tywin's got a lot on his plate (not mutton). He's losing a war to Robb. His son is captured. His daughter is nuts. The ID of his cupbearer isn't a big deal for him. He finds her amusing, but that's about it.

He knows she was escaping north disguised as a boy among those headed to the wall to join the night's watch, a group that left King's Landing right after Ned Stark's beheading and Arya's disappearance. I think he finds her more than amusing at this point given how much he's been able to read off her in their interactions. Maybe he doesn't know/think she's Arya Stark, but he's probably sure she's not just some random peasant girl either.

I don't think he does. Remember they went after the party going to the wall to get the King's other son, not her. She assumes they are after her, and they specifically call out the blacksmith, to her surprise.

 

[The Ref]

I'm curious as to what is in Bob with a side of duck sauce vault.

 

[parrot]

I think one huge piece of information that cannot be explained all that well is how old these characters are. The actors are older than their characters actual age.

Character 	book age  	TV age  	Actor age  Eddard Stark	35	40	52Catelyn Stark	34	35	39Robb Stark	14	17	25Jon Snow	14	17	25Sansa Stark	11	13	13Arya Stark	9	11	11Bran Stark	7	10	11(?)Robert Baratheon	36	40	47Joffrey Baratheon	13	13	18Tyrion Lannister	24	30	40Jaime Lannister	32	35	40Cersei Lannister	32	35	37Sandor Clegane	27 (?)		42Theon Greyjoy	19	19	24Viserys Targaryen 	23	20	27Daenerys Targaryen	13	15	22Jorah Mormont	40	40	49

wait, so Dany is supposed to be 15 in the TV show? I should probably be locked up for some of the thoughts I've had, then...

How can Dany and Jon be so far apart in age on the show? Did I miss something? Isn't the backstory consistent with the book that they were both conceived/born toward the end of Robert's Rebellion?

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

I'm curious as to what is in Bob with a side of duck sauce vault.

LOL

 

[FreeBaGeL]

There are a lot of time restrictions for actors under 18 years old, so that's a big part of it especially for Robb and Jon.

I understand that but these actors look older than what they are playing. So, Jon has a 25 year old man playing a 14 year old, right now. Some of his behavior does not make sense for someone in the 20-25 year old range but does for a 14 year old. People tend to forget this. Same with Arya, 15 playing a 9. Even Dany since she is 25 and some of her actions do not make sense but for a 13 year old girl, they do.

They cant hire child actors because it will be another Walt from Lost situation. Im curious to see how they keep Arya from aging too quickly

I get this but for people not familiar with the books they may not know the actual ages of the characters. Thus, some mannerisms that speak to a much younger person do not relate with the viewer because they see an older character depicted on tv. And, Jon Snow's book age is 14, tv age is 17. But, we see a 25 year old supposed to be acting like a 14-17 year old. Some mannerisms do not match up. Overall, I think this aspect is being misread by viewers not familiar with the books.

I think you're really overthinking this.

I'm not sure he is. I didn't read the books and I'd just assumed all the characters were in their mid to late 20's. Actors like Robb, Jon, and Dany look nothing like the ages they're supposed to be in that list and it had never occurred to me that they were supposed to be that young. It certainly puts how childish some of them (Dany, Jon) are acting into perspective (and also makes more sense as to how Jon would still be a virgin).It's also pretty different looking at Robb as a 17 year old leading a huge army compared to him being what I'd assumed was somewhere around a 28 year old doing it.

I like them better being in their 20's (getting tired of 14 year old heroes) so I'm going to keep pretending that anyway

ETA: I actually can't believe the actress playing Cat is as young as she is. I'd assumed that both her and her character were in her late 50's.

 

[Steed]

In the scene where Tyrion is called a demon monkey, he admits to not getting any raven mail from his father for weeks. Tywin is completely focused on defeating Robb Stark.

He doesn't know what group she came in with - only that she was a prisoner when he arrived. I doubt they were ID'ing and cataloging the prisoners they brought in on their sweeps looking for coin and the Brotherhood. At this point, he just knows that she's not the daughter of a stone mason and that she is well bred. There are tons of well bred folks running around. Jumping right to her being Arya Stark would be a huge leap - especially since he hasn't been told that she's not still in King's Landing.

I figure Lorch would have mentioned it at some point - they did fight and lose some men as a result of holding Joren's group up trying to find Robert's offspring. It wasn't some random group of outlaws they brought her in with. Also I'm not so certain he isn't aware of Arya's absence from King's Landing. You have to think he's in communication with Tyrion and that the subject has been broached in relation to possible deals to get Jamie released.

 

[renesauz]

He knows she was escaping north disguised as a boy among those headed to the wall to join the night's watch, a group that left King's Landing right after Ned Stark's beheading and Arya's disappearance. I think he finds her more than amusing at this point given how much he's been able to read off her in their interactions. Maybe he doesn't know/think she's Arya Stark, but he's probably sure she's not just some random peasant girl either.

He does NOT know this. It was believed Robert's ******* was in the group heading to the wall...and they think they already killed him (the helmet thing). The Lannister's are completely clueless as to Arya's whereabouts.I don't think the book had much interplay between Tywin and Arya at all (but it's been several years since I read that book). I think he suspects she's more than a miller's kid (probably a minor northern noble's daughter), but he has no clue who she really is or she wouldn't be walking around the castle so freely.

 

[JerseyToughGuys]

I think one huge piece of information that cannot be explained all that well is how old these characters are. The actors are older than their characters actual age.

Character book age TV age Actor age Eddard Stark 35 40 52Catelyn Stark 34 35 39Robb Stark 14 17 25Jon Snow 14 17 25Sansa Stark 11 13 13Arya Stark 9 11 11Bran Stark 7 10 11(?)Robert Baratheon 36 40 47Joffrey Baratheon 13 13 18Tyrion Lannister 24 30 40Jaime Lannister 32 35 40Cersei Lannister 32 35 37Sandor Clegane 27 (?) 42Theon Greyjoy 19 19 24Viserys Targaryen 23 20 27Daenerys Targaryen 13 15 22Jorah Mormont 40 40 49

wait, so Dany is supposed to be 15 in the TV show? I should probably be locked up for some of the thoughts I've had, then...

How can Dany and Jon be so far apart in age on the show? Did I miss something? Isn't the backstory consistent with the book that they were both conceived/born toward the end of Robert's Rebellion?

Spoiler

Some folks believe Jon's conception actually started the rebellion hmy:Maybe the speculation regarding Jon's true father/mother can be debunked via this discrepancy. Or, they could just say in the show the rebellion was a 3 year war. Who knows.

 

[Rustoleum]

I think one huge piece of information that cannot be explained all that well is how old these characters are. The actors are older than their characters actual age.

Character book age TV age Actor age Eddard Stark 35 40 52Catelyn Stark 34 35 39Robb Stark 14 17 25Jon Snow 14 17 25Sansa Stark 11 13 13Arya Stark 9 11 11Bran Stark 7 10 11(?)Robert Baratheon 36 40 47Joffrey Baratheon 13 13 18Tyrion Lannister 24 30 40Jaime Lannister 32 35 40Cersei Lannister 32 35 37Sandor Clegane 27 (?) 42Theon Greyjoy 19 19 24Viserys Targaryen 23 20 27Daenerys Targaryen 13 15 22Jorah Mormont 40 40 49

wait, so Dany is supposed to be 15 in the TV show? I should probably be locked up for some of the thoughts I've had, then...

How can Dany and Jon be so far apart in age on the show? Did I miss something? Isn't the backstory consistent with the book that they were both conceived/born toward the end of Robert's Rebellion?

Spoiler

Some folks believe Jon's conception actually started the rebellion hmy:Maybe the speculation regarding Jon's true father/mother can be debunked via this discrepancy. Or, they could just say in the show the rebellion was a 3 year war. Who knows.

Spoiler

Jon still would need to have at least one Stark parent for the dire wolf bonding stuff to happen, wouldn't he?

 

[JerseyToughGuys]

I think one huge piece of information that cannot be explained all that well is how old these characters are. The actors are older than their characters actual age.

Character book age TV age Actor age Eddard Stark 35 40 52Catelyn Stark 34 35 39Robb Stark 14 17 25Jon Snow 14 17 25Sansa Stark 11 13 13Arya Stark 9 11 11Bran Stark 7 10 11(?)Robert Baratheon 36 40 47Joffrey Baratheon 13 13 18Tyrion Lannister 24 30 40Jaime Lannister 32 35 40Cersei Lannister 32 35 37Sandor Clegane 27 (?) 42Theon Greyjoy 19 19 24Viserys Targaryen 23 20 27Daenerys Targaryen 13 15 22Jorah Mormont 40 40 49

wait, so Dany is supposed to be 15 in the TV show? I should probably be locked up for some of the thoughts I've had, then...

How can Dany and Jon be so far apart in age on the show? Did I miss something? Isn't the backstory consistent with the book that they were both conceived/born toward the end of Robert's Rebellion?

Spoiler

Some folks believe Jon's conception actually started the rebellion hmy:

Maybe the speculation regarding Jon's true father/mother can be debunked via this discrepancy. Or, they could just say in the show the rebellion was a 3 year war. Who knows.

Spoiler

Jon still would need to have at least one Stark parent for the dire wolf bonding stuff to happen, wouldn't he?

Spoiler

Indeed.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

I think one huge piece of information that cannot be explained all that well is how old these characters are. The actors are older than their characters actual age.

Character 	book age  	TV age  	Actor age  Eddard Stark	35	40	52Catelyn Stark	34	35	39Robb Stark	14	17	25Jon Snow	14	17	25Sansa Stark	11	13	13Arya Stark	9	11	11Bran Stark	7	10	11(?)Robert Baratheon	36	40	47Joffrey Baratheon	13	13	18Tyrion Lannister	24	30	40Jaime Lannister	32	35	40Cersei Lannister	32	35	37Sandor Clegane	27 (?)		42Theon Greyjoy	19	19	24Viserys Targaryen 	23	20	27Daenerys Targaryen	13	15	22Jorah Mormont	40	40	49

wait, so Dany is supposed to be 15 in the TV show? I should probably be locked up for some of the thoughts I've had, then...

How can Dany and Jon be so far apart in age on the show? Did I miss something? Isn't the backstory consistent with the book that they were both conceived/born toward the end of Robert's Rebellion?

Jon Snow was at the beginning of the war, and Dany the end I thought?

 

[parrot]

I think one huge piece of information that cannot be explained all that well is how old these characters are. The actors are older than their characters actual age.

Character 	book age  	TV age  	Actor age  Eddard Stark	35	40	52Catelyn Stark	34	35	39Robb Stark	14	17	25Jon Snow	14	17	25Sansa Stark	11	13	13Arya Stark	9	11	11Bran Stark	7	10	11(?)Robert Baratheon	36	40	47Joffrey Baratheon	13	13	18Tyrion Lannister	24	30	40Jaime Lannister	32	35	40Cersei Lannister	32	35	37Sandor Clegane	27 (?)		42Theon Greyjoy	19	19	24Viserys Targaryen 	23	20	27Daenerys Targaryen	13	15	22Jorah Mormont	40	40	49

wait, so Dany is supposed to be 15 in the TV show? I should probably be locked up for some of the thoughts I've had, then...

How can Dany and Jon be so far apart in age on the show? Did I miss something? Isn't the backstory consistent with the book that they were both conceived/born toward the end of Robert's Rebellion?

Jon Snow was at the beginning of the war, and Dany the end I thought?

This is my bad. I misread the chart and thought there was a four year difference. I see now it's only a two year difference. I didn't think Robert's Rebellion lasted four years, but two years seems pretty reasonable.

Spoiler

Of course if some of the speculation about Jon's lineage and what occurred at The Tower of Joy are correct, that doesn't really allow for him to have been born early in the war, does it?

 

[thecatch]

There are a lot of time restrictions for actors under 18 years old, so that's a big part of it especially for Robb and Jon.

I understand that but these actors look older than what they are playing. So, Jon has a 25 year old man playing a 14 year old, right now. Some of his behavior does not make sense for someone in the 20-25 year old range but does for a 14 year old. People tend to forget this. Same with Arya, 15 playing a 9. Even Dany since she is 25 and some of her actions do not make sense but for a 13 year old girl, they do.

They cant hire child actors because it will be another Walt from Lost situation. Im curious to see how they keep Arya from aging too quickly

I get this but for people not familiar with the books they may not know the actual ages of the characters. Thus, some mannerisms that speak to a much younger person do not relate with the viewer because they see an older character depicted on tv. And, Jon Snow's book age is 14, tv age is 17. But, we see a 25 year old supposed to be acting like a 14-17 year old. Some mannerisms do not match up. Overall, I think this aspect is being misread by viewers not familiar with the books.

I think you're really overthinking this.

I'm not sure he is. I didn't read the books and I'd just assumed all the characters were in their mid to late 20's. Actors like Robb, Jon, and Dany look nothing like the ages they're supposed to be in that list and it had never occurred to me that they were supposed to be that young. It certainly puts how childish some of them (Dany, Jon) are acting into perspective (and also makes more sense as to how Jon would still be a virgin).It's also pretty different looking at Robb as a 17 year old leading a huge army compared to him being what I'd assumed was somewhere around a 28 year old doing it.

I like them better being in their 20's (getting tired of 14 year old heroes) so I'm going to keep pretending that anyway

ETA: I actually can't believe the actress playing Cat is as young as she is. I'd assumed that both her and her character were in her late 50's.

I think by and large the characters in the book act a lot older than their stated age. In fact I think Martin admitted at one point that the book ages didn't really reflect his vision of the story (he had intended to make up the difference by having a several year period elapse between books, which became implausible given how quickly the rest of the plot was unfolding).

 

[⚡DEADHEAD⚡]

Tywin's got a lot on his plate (not mutton). He's losing a war to Robb. His son is captured. His daughter is nuts. The ID of his cupbearer isn't a big deal for him. He finds her amusing, but that's about it.

FWIW this is how I took it as well.I agree that he is interested but I don't think he thinks she is anything special

She is special in the sense that she represents the one thing he doesn't have: stability. I think he's confused by his own thoughts, part fatherly adoration, part confusion, part suspicion and even part admiration in the sense that this girl is everything his kids aren't.Don't forget the line he throws at her regarding her nobility (need to rewatch).

 

[sn0mm1s]

The whole m'lady and my lady stuff was in the book, but I forget who actually said it to her and what happened afterwards.

Spoiler

IIRC that conversation actually happens between Sansa and Littlefinger much later in the series when she's posing as natural child.

You're right!

Spoiler

It was Roose Bolton who told Arya to address him as milord.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

btw where has Varys been?

 

[EYLive]

The whole m'lady and my lady stuff was in the book, but I forget who actually said it to her and what happened afterwards.

Spoiler

IIRC that conversation actually happens between Sansa and Littlefinger much later in the series when she's posing as natural child.

Spoiler

You're right!

Spoiler

It was Roose Bolton who told Arya to address him as milord.

Spoiler

I'm at the part in ADWD where Roose tells Reek to hide his status by saying "m'lord" instead of "my lord"

...so the deception spans several characters.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

The whole m'lady and my lady stuff was in the book, but I forget who actually said it to her and what happened afterwards.

Spoiler

IIRC that conversation actually happens between Sansa and Littlefinger much later in the series when she's posing as natural child.

Spoiler

You're right!

Spoiler

It was Roose Bolton who told Arya to address him as milord.

Spoiler

I'm at the part in ADWD where Roose tells Reek to hide his status by saying "m'lord" instead of "my lord"

...so the deception spans several characters.

Cool. I knew it was familiar.

 

[Marvin]

Imp

 

[Brady Marino]

Imp

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Does anybody else feel like the writers have really taken away a lot of the intrigue and mystery from the story?

Spoiler

There is no Tyrion's chain apparently. Something that you wondered wtf was being built for much of the book and what it's purpose was.

Robb's trip to the Crag and what is supposed to happen there and Cat's asking for the sword when with Jaime would have a lot more power and intrigue had they taken place after bran and rickon were killed and they found out about it.

Also, there is virtually no mystery there as well as we seemingly we're beaten over the head about those orphan boys. They should have left the only mention of them be that of the earlier episode. Bringing them up as bran and co approached the village and then having them run through the scene and be called by their "family" inside when Theon was there is a little much. Does any non-reader think for a moment now that bran is dead?

There is an Internet rumor that Dagmer Cleftjaw is actually Reek. My opinion is that the character Reek isn't in the show at all. So there again is no intrigue and reveal about this character. Dagmer is replacing Reek's nasty influence on Theon, but he is not in fact Reek/Ramsay. Ramsay will show up eventually as suggested by Roosevelt Bolton earlier. Perhaps next season or in the finale. At that point or later we will get Theon as "Reek" but it won't have as much meaning.

 

[Ilov80s]

Things I am interested in seeing as a non book reader:

-Balon's reaction to Theon taking Winterfell. Will he be proud of his son or furious for breaking commands?

-The guy that likes flaying people sent his ******* son from the Dreadfort to get Theon...I really can't wait to see this, this ******* likely won't flinch at removing someone's head or worse

-Will Cersei seriously entertain the thought of killing Joffrey? Would the Hound kill Joffrey to protect Sansa? Might Tyrion have Joffrey killed without Cersei's approval? I just feel like Joffrey isn't going to make it and it's going to be someone close to him that does it.

Joffrey and Theon both seem screwed, but I don't see the show killing off it's top 2 villains. GoT seems more set on killing the characters you like.

 

[shadyridr]

is theon really a villain? i think of him as more of a bumbling idiot not capable of surviving very long

 

[renesauz]

I must say it's amusing seeing the non-book readers guessing

 

[Ilov80s]

<br />is theon really a villain? i think of him as more of a bumbling idiot not capable of surviving very long<br />

<br /><br /><br />He might be both. He is definitely a villain- betrayed the Starks, betrayed his oath to Rob, and is killing children.

 

[Balco]

I am really interested to see what happens with the Hound. He is a brutal killer, but I suspect he is going to turn against Joffrey at some point.

 

[Balco]

is theon really a villain? i think of him as more of a bumbling idiot not capable of surviving very long

You can be both. He is woefully unprepared for what he is trying to do and it shows. Doubt he makes it past the season.

 

[Maelstrom]

Does anybody else feel like the writers have really taken away a lot of the intrigue and mystery from the story?

Spoiler

There is no Tyrion's chain apparently. Something that you wondered wtf was being built for much of the book and what it's purpose was. Robb's trip to the Crag and what is supposed to happen there and Cat's asking for the sword when with Jaime would have a lot more power and intrigue had they taken place after bran and rickon were killed and they found out about it. Also, there is virtually no mystery there as well as we seemingly we're beaten over the head about those orphan boys. They should have left the only mention of them be that of the earlier episode. Bringing them up as bran and co approached the village and then having them run through the scene and be called by their "family" inside when Theon was there is a little much. Does any non-reader think for a moment now that bran is dead?There is an Internet rumor that Dagmer Cleftjaw is actually Reek. My opinion is that the character Reek isn't in the show at all. So there again is no intrigue and reveal about this character. Dagmer is replacing Reek's nasty influence on Theon, but he is not in fact Reek/Ramsay. Ramsay will show up eventually as suggested by Roosevelt Bolton earlier. Perhaps next season or in the finale. At that point or later we will get Theon as "Reek" but it won't have as much meaning.

I would say a number of the things mentioned in your spoiler are changes that make sense given the time constraints of the TV show. There is a TON of storytelling in the books, and some things are going to need to be left out, and even then some of the things that make it are given very little time (i.e. mentioned in a conversation instead of being seen, etc.)

Spoiler

I thought the chain storyline was pretty obvious through-out the book, and so don't really miss it that much. I would be interested in non-readers thoughts on the orphans boys and if that fooled anyone watching that didn't already know, but I'm not going to ask. They could have been a bit more clever with that storyline though, I agree.As for Reek, I wasn't a big fan in the books of his char, and felt like a char as cruel as that would have been struck down by someone before ever reaching his level of power.

All in all, I really enjoy the fact that there are differences between the book and the show, as it helps make it that much more interesting to watch. Even when it is somewhat of a contradiction to the book story, I feel it is ok as they (so far) have done a good job of keeping the main threads running true, IMO.

 

[=Smackdown=]

The Prince of Winterfell

 

[shadyridr]

is theon really a villain? i think of him as more of a bumbling idiot not capable of surviving very long

You can be both. He is woefully unprepared for what he is trying to do and it shows. Doubt he makes it past the season.

i think of villain as someone with lasting power like a joffrey. hes more of just a bad guy. does that make sense?

 

[Instinctive]

I still don't think Bran or Rickon are dead. Maybe that's naive of me.

 

[Balco]

I still don't think Bran or Rickon are dead. Maybe that's naive of me.

I don't think there is a shot that is them. He killed a couple of those villagers where they were looking for them.

 

[TLEF316]

I still don't think Bran or Rickon are dead. Maybe that's naive of me.

I don't think there is a shot that is them. He killed a couple of those villagers where they were looking for them.

Yeah, I knew instantly that it wasn't them. I'd bet my car that the two bodies are those 2 orphan boys they sent there to help the farmer tend his flock.They (Bran and his crew) even made a point to mention them when they first arrived at the farm so we'd remember them.Pretty obvious that Theon killed them and burned the bodies beyond recognition so he could save face with his men back at Winterfell. (they'd lose respect if they knew a cripple, a half wit, a woman and a 6 year old evaded him). Not a book reader, but this one seemed pretty obvious. There's also no way Theon's little search party is taking those kids without a hell of a fight (2 Direwolves with them)