HBO - Song of Ice&Fire Series -Varsity Thread - no TV only whiners (4 Viewers)

[hotdogcollars]

Schrödinger's spolier box.

 

[Maik Jeaunz]

wow, what a CF this thread has turned into. it would make little baby Aegon cry.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Anyone else in the middle of reading book 3? Just came accross some good stuff, this book has been amazing!

 

[CBusAlex]

Anyone else in the middle of reading book 3? Just came accross some good stuff, this book has been amazing!

Just wait, it gets better.

 

[Rick James]

Anyone else in the middle of reading book 3? Just came accross some good stuff, this book has been amazing!

I got bored one day and decided I wanted to revisit SOS, so I cracked it open to page ~770 and two nights later I'm at ~1100. Such an addicting book, the last third is impossible to put down.

 

[jdoggydogg]

People make offensive comments about race, politics, religion, sex and violence in other threads with no concequences, but in here we get warned twice by admin over TV non-spoilers?A little perspective would be nice.

They're inconsiderate, therefore that gives license to us to be inconsiderate?

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Anyone else in the middle of reading book 3? Just came accross some good stuff, this book has been amazing!

Just wait, it gets better.

Anyone else in the middle of reading book 3? Just came accross some good stuff, this book has been amazing!

I got bored one day and decided I wanted to revisit SOS, so I cracked it open to page ~770 and two nights later I'm at ~1100. Such an addicting book, the last third is impossible to put down.

I'm at like 500 and it's impossible to put down. I know now that I can fit the softback book into my khakis to bring into the bathroom. That's how bad it's gotten.

 

[EYLive]

People make offensive comments about race, politics, religion, sex and violence in other threads with no concequences, but in here we get warned twice by admin over TV non-spoilers?A little perspective would be nice.

They're inconsiderate, therefore that gives license to us to be inconsiderate?

I already apologized in the other thread. But the stuff in here is just teasing about a TV show. Some of the personal attacks that take place in other threads are vicious and mean yet admins ignore those.So my comment was directed at the admins, letting them know that there's a lot more housecleaning that needs to be done on more serious offenses before they come running in here posting warnings about random made up story lines.

 

[jdoggydogg]

People make offensive comments about race, politics, religion, sex and violence in other threads with no concequences, but in here we get warned twice by admin over TV non-spoilers?A little perspective would be nice.

They're inconsiderate, therefore that gives license to us to be inconsiderate?

I already apologized in the other thread. But the stuff in here is just teasing about a TV show. Some of the personal attacks that take place in other threads are vicious and mean yet admins ignore those.So my comment was directed at the admins, letting them know that there's a lot more housecleaning that needs to be done on more serious offenses before they come running in here posting warnings about random made up story lines.

Oh I know what you mean. I've been banned before, so I get a little confused when unabashedly racist material isn't punished.

 

[Chaka]

People make offensive comments about race, politics, religion, sex and violence in other threads with no concequences, but in here we get warned twice by admin over TV non-spoilers?A little perspective would be nice.

They're inconsiderate, therefore that gives license to us to be inconsiderate?

I already apologized in the other thread. But the stuff in here is just teasing about a TV show. Some of the personal attacks that take place in other threads are vicious and mean yet admins ignore those.So my comment was directed at the admins, letting them know that there's a lot more housecleaning that needs to be done on more serious offenses before they come running in here posting warnings about random made up story lines.

Shut up, you.This is serious business.

 

[JerseyToughGuys]

Found this on the interwebs:This is the rarest of spoilers, insofar as it seems to apply both to the TV show and the as yet unpublished books. Theon Greyjoy actor Alfie Allen reveals he asked George R.R. Martin the answer to one of the saga's biggest unsolved mysteries, and his answer certainly drops some potentially massive clues:

Oh wow. I have a theory that fits this.DO NOT READ THIS IF YOU HAVEN'T READ THE BOOKS! MANY MANY BIG SPOILERS...

Spoiler

When Brandon Stark (Eddard's Brother) goes to the Red Keep and demands that Rhaegar 'come out to die' it's because Rhaegar has 'kidnapped' Lyanna. And there's an assertion/assumption scattered through the book that Rhaegar 'raped' her. The obvious path from there is Lyanna got pregnant when Rhaegar raped her, Jon is their son, and Brandon Stark was killed when he went to avenge his sister. Which started the rebellion. But...What if it was Brandon Stark that got Lyanna pregnant and Rhaegar 'rescued' her? Incest is fairly common in Westeros and Brandon was supposedly quite rash. That would make the Starks responsible for the war, and would help explain why Aerys called Brandon and all his supporters to the Keep and killed them. It would also make Jon the son of his Uncle Brandon and Aunt Lyanna, and give Eddard even MORE reason to pursue Lyanna to the Tower of Joy where he and his friends defeated the Kingsguard and took the infant with them afterwards to be raised as Eddard's *******?

Spoiler

Some believe, and I am one, that Rhaegar and Lyanaa were in love and ran off together after the tourney at Harrenhall during the Year of the False Spring.Lots of good evidence on this theory here:http://towerofthehand.com/essays/chrisholden/jon_snows_parents.html

I'm a fan of this theoryya

 

[JerseyToughGuys]

wow, what a CF this thread has turned into. it would make little baby Aegon cry.

lmao

 

[EYLive]

People make offensive comments about race, politics, religion, sex and violence in other threads with no concequences, but in here we get warned twice by admin over TV non-spoilers?A little perspective would be nice.

They're inconsiderate, therefore that gives license to us to be inconsiderate?

I already apologized in the other thread. But the stuff in here is just teasing about a TV show. Some of the personal attacks that take place in other threads are vicious and mean yet admins ignore those.So my comment was directed at the admins, letting them know that there's a lot more housecleaning that needs to be done on more serious offenses before they come running in here posting warnings about random made up story lines.

Shut up, you.This is serious business.

Spoiler

Made you look!

 

[mad sweeney]

Found this on the interwebs:This is the rarest of spoilers, insofar as it seems to apply both to the TV show and the as yet unpublished books. Theon Greyjoy actor Alfie Allen reveals he asked George R.R. Martin the answer to one of the saga's biggest unsolved mysteries, and his answer certainly drops some potentially massive clues:

Oh wow. I have a theory that fits this.DO NOT READ THIS IF YOU HAVEN'T READ THE BOOKS! MANY MANY BIG SPOILERS...

Spoiler

When Brandon Stark (Eddard's Brother) goes to the Red Keep and demands that Rhaegar 'come out to die' it's because Rhaegar has 'kidnapped' Lyanna. And there's an assertion/assumption scattered through the book that Rhaegar 'raped' her. The obvious path from there is Lyanna got pregnant when Rhaegar raped her, Jon is their son, and Brandon Stark was killed when he went to avenge his sister. Which started the rebellion. But...What if it was Brandon Stark that got Lyanna pregnant and Rhaegar 'rescued' her? Incest is fairly common in Westeros and Brandon was supposedly quite rash. That would make the Starks responsible for the war, and would help explain why Aerys called Brandon and all his supporters to the Keep and killed them. It would also make Jon the son of his Uncle Brandon and Aunt Lyanna, and give Eddard even MORE reason to pursue Lyanna to the Tower of Joy where he and his friends defeated the Kingsguard and took the infant with them afterwards to be raised as Eddard's *******?

Spoiler

Some believe, and I am one, that Rhaegar and Lyanaa were in love and ran off together after the tourney at Harrenhall during the Year of the False Spring.Lots of good evidence on this theory here:http://towerofthehand.com/essays/chrisholden/jon_snows_parents.html

I'm a fan of this theoryyaSame here. It makes the most sense for one and also is the best storyline out of all the possibilities.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

So my comment was directed at the admins, letting them know that there's a lot more housecleaning that needs to be done on more serious offenses before they come running in here posting warnings about random made up story lines.

This is false. There is no more serious offense than posting fake spoilers without using spoiler tags. Until we get this issue under control, addressing other offenses in other threads will have to wait.

 

[EYLive]

So my comment was directed at the admins, letting them know that there's a lot more housecleaning that needs to be done on more serious offenses before they come running in here posting warnings about random made up story lines.

This is false. There is no more serious offense than posting fake spoilers without using spoiler tags. Until we get this issue under control, addressing other offenses in other threads will have to wait.

I posting bare boobs in the Timmy Draft thread!!

 

[CBusAlex]

I posting bare boobs in the Timmy Draft thread!!

I'm bumping year-old injury threads in the Shark Pool!

 

[PIK95]

Schrödinger's spolier box.

Until you open the box, Ned Stark is both alive and dead.

Spoiler

He's dead!

Bazinga woulda been better.

 

[Gr00vus]

So my comment was directed at the admins, letting them know that there's a lot more housecleaning that needs to be done on more serious offenses before they come running in here posting warnings about random made up story lines.

This is false. There is no more serious offense than posting fake spoilers without using spoiler tags. Until we get this issue under control, addressing other offenses in other threads will have to wait.

HODOR! HODOR! HODOR!

Spoiler

Pretty sure Hodor is Jon's real father. Working on gathering more evidence to support my hypothesis that Hodor is also Howland Reed, Azor Ahai and King of the Others.

 

[Bronx Bomber]

So my comment was directed at the admins, letting them know that there's a lot more housecleaning that needs to be done on more serious offenses before they come running in here posting warnings about random made up story lines.

This is false. There is no more serious offense than posting fake spoilers without using spoiler tags. Until we get this issue under control, addressing other offenses in other threads will have to wait.

As someone who is just started the second book. I understand that coming into this thread might ruin some this. I think everyone does their best to use spoiler tags. And I think the guys messing around are sincere that they didn't think it was a big deal and wont mess around anymore. I acceptyou their aplogies.I say we move on. This is one if the few threads I come to the FFA for, let's not ruin it.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Everybody take a shot of some shade of the evening and calm down.

 

[Charlie Frown]

So my comment was directed at the admins, letting them know that there's a lot more housecleaning that needs to be done on more serious offenses before they come running in here posting warnings about random made up story lines.

This is false. There is no more serious offense than posting fake spoilers without using spoiler tags. Until we get this issue under control, addressing other offenses in other threads will have to wait.

HODOR! HODOR! HODOR!

Spoiler

Pretty sure Hodor is Jon's real father. Working on gathering more evidence to support my hypothesis that Hodor is also Howland Reed, Azor Ahai and King of the Others.

That would be awesome.

 

[the moops]

How the hell could anyone believe that this

You'll like the whitewalkers when Jon leads an army of them into King's Landing.

was anything but a fake spoiler?

 

[Christo]

How the hell could anyone believe that this

You'll like the whitewalkers when Jon leads an army of them into King's Landing.

was anything but a fake spoiler?

We've had a woman give birth to a red mist that proceeded to kill a king and have another woman raising dragons. Yeah, no way that could happen!

 

[mad sweeney]

How the hell could anyone believe that this

You'll like the whitewalkers when Jon leads an army of them into King's Landing.

was anything but a fake spoiler?

We've had a woman give birth to a red mist that proceeded to kill a king and have another woman raising dragons. Yeah, no way that could happen!

It was a red mist?

 

[EYLive]

How the hell could anyone believe that this

You'll like the whitewalkers when Jon leads an army of them into King's Landing.

was anything but a fake spoiler?

We've had a woman give birth to a red mist that proceeded to kill a king and have another woman raising dragons. Yeah, no way that could happen!

It was a red mist?

moonblood

 

[shadyridr]

How the hell could anyone believe that this

You'll like the whitewalkers when Jon leads an army of them into King's Landing.

was anything but a fake spoiler?

why is that so unbelievable? and honestly it would be pretty cool

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

How the hell could anyone believe that this

You'll like the whitewalkers when Jon leads an army of them into King's Landing.

was anything but a fake spoiler?

why is that so unbelievable? and honestly it would be pretty cool

Yea that actually is possible imo. No more fake spoliers.

 

[Guinis72]

Everybody take a shot of some shade of the evening and calm down.

 

[hotdogcollars]

Just ordered the first 4 books

Having watched on TV the past 2 seasons, I'm not sure i'll have the patience to read those. I'm thinking of jumping right in to book 3 and 4 then maybe circle back and read 1 and 2. would that be a bad idea? would i just be lost in book 3 with only having the tv show details from 1 & 2?

 

[bonesman]

Just ordered the first 4 books Having watched on TV the past 2 seasons, I'm not sure i'll have the patience to read those. I'm thinking of jumping right in to book 3 and 4 then maybe circle back and read 1 and 2. would that be a bad idea? would i just be lost in book 3 with only having the tv show details from 1 & 2?

I don't know but I picked up the first book the other day and am about halfway through it so far. I notice way more details about the show now that I've read some. Most of the dialog is exactly the same... but some of the descriptions don't fit the show (horse-faced Arya) so I like going back for all that.

 

[mad sweeney]

Just ordered the first 4 books

Having watched on TV the past 2 seasons, I'm not sure i'll have the patience to read those. I'm thinking of jumping right in to book 3 and 4 then maybe circle back and read 1 and 2. would that be a bad idea? would i just be lost in book 3 with only having the tv show details from 1 & 2?

Not a good idea at all. Unless you're one of those guys who don't read at all, go through the books. A ton of stuff will make more sense and you'll get so much more of a better view of the world it takes place in by reading. I have read the series once and re-read the 1st book after season 1 and just started the 2nd book again after season 2. There are so many characters that are combined, eliminated, gone around, events condensed etc... that it's absolutely not only worth it, but a shame if you don't read them. It took me most of season 1 to get over the book vs TV show differences, but now that I have them separated in my mind as somewhat separate entities, I enjoy both of them so much more. It's great to see whose characters are so strong in my head that I keep MY version of them in my imagination (Tyrion, because he's so grotesque in the book he reminds me of the dwarf in Don't Look Back) especially with a red cloak and see who I liked better in the show and therefore they're in my head when I read. Plus plenty are an amalgam of both (like the Hound). i emphatically say, start with book 1, you'll learn tons and his style is very readable. If you're a moderate reader you can do each book in a week or two (just on the jon), then you have 8 months to get the other books down.

 

[hotdogcollars]

Just ordered the first 4 books Having watched on TV the past 2 seasons, I'm not sure i'll have the patience to read those. I'm thinking of jumping right in to book 3 and 4 then maybe circle back and read 1 and 2. would that be a bad idea? would i just be lost in book 3 with only having the tv show details from 1 & 2?

I don't know but I picked up the first book the other day and am about halfway through it so far. I notice way more details about the show now that I've read some. Most of the dialog is exactly the same... but some of the descriptions don't fit the show (horse-faced Arya) so I like going back for all that.

Not a good idea at all. Unless you're one of those guys who don't read at all, go through the books. A ton of stuff will make more sense and you'll get so much more of a better view of the world it takes place in by reading. I have read the series once and re-read the 1st book after season 1 and just started the 2nd book again after season 2. There are so many characters that are combined, eliminated, gone around, events condensed etc... that it's absolutely not only worth it, but a shame if you don't read them. It took me most of season 1 to get over the book vs TV show differences, but now that I have them separated in my mind as somewhat separate entities, I enjoy both of them so much more. It's great to see whose characters are so strong in my head that I keep MY version of them in my imagination and see who I liked better in the show and therefore they're in my head when I read. Plus plenty are an amalgam of both (like the Hound). i emphatically say, start with book 1, you'll learn tons and his style is very readable.

Thanks. I used to read a fair amount, just havent had time for the past...oh 7-8 years. I just know i'm going to be chomping at the bit to get some questions answered in book 3will give it a go starting from book 1

 

[mad sweeney]

Just ordered the first 4 books    Having watched on TV the past 2 seasons, I'm not sure i'll have the patience to read those.  I'm thinking of jumping right in to book 3 and 4 then maybe circle back and read 1 and 2.  would that be a bad idea?  would i just be lost in book 3 with only having the tv show details from 1 & 2?

I don't know but I picked up the first book the other day and am about halfway through it so far. I notice way more details about the show now that I've read some. Most of the dialog is exactly the same... but some of the descriptions don't fit the show (horse-faced Arya) so I like going back for all that.

Not a good idea at all. Unless you're one of those guys who don't read at all, go through the books. A ton of stuff will make more sense and you'll get so much more of a better view of the world it takes place in by reading. I have read the series once and re-read the 1st book after season 1 and just started the 2nd book again after season 2. There are so many characters that are combined, eliminated, gone around, events condensed etc... that it's absolutely not only worth it, but a shame if you don't read them. It took me most of season 1 to get over the book vs TV show differences, but now that I have them separated in my mind as somewhat separate entities, I enjoy both of them so much more. It's great to see whose characters are so strong in my head that I keep MY version of them in my imagination and see who I liked better in the show and therefore they're in my head when I read. Plus plenty are an amalgam of both (like the Hound). i emphatically say, start with book 1, you'll learn tons and his style is very readable.

Thanks. I used to read a fair amount, just havent had time for the past...oh 7-8 years. I just know i'm going to be chomping at the bit to get some questions answered in book 3will give it a go starting from book 1

Like I said, that's what I did. I'm about 100 pages into book 2 and so much is different. The character of Varys, Littlefinger, the Hound, etc... I think the show keeps mostly to the theme of the books (Roz aside, but I like her nekkid so I''m not complaining) that int's interesting to see who they borrow from and who they give it to to make the visual oriented show.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Yes. Don't start with book three. Start with book one.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

Yes. Don't start with book three. Start with book one.

But read it backwards.

 

[CBusAlex]

You could probably get away with starting from book 2 if you wanted, but the second season diverged far enough from the books that you'd be really lost starting with book 3.

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

Burned through two seasons in just over two weeks, well into the first book now. Great show/story.

 

[Slider6]

HBO has an interview with GRRM. Says he hopes to finish the story about the same time as the TV Show catches up to him.

Short Interview

 

[EYLive]

I've been looking at some fan renditions of map of the world and was wondering if there were supposed to be other continents that we don't know about? Because if the world is round, with Westeros and Essos being the 2 only continents...

Spoiler

wouldn't it make sense for Victarion to sail west from the Iron Islands towards (Jade Sea/Straits of Quarth) Mereen instead of looping east around Dorne and Valyria to get to Slaver's Bay?

 

[CBusAlex]

I've been looking at some fan renditions of map of the world and was wondering if there were supposed to be other continents that we don't know about? Because if the world is round, with Westeros and Essos being the 2 only continents...

Spoiler

wouldn't it make sense for Victarion to sail west from the Iron Islands towards (Jade Sea/Straits of Quarth) Mereen instead of looping east around Dorne and Valyria to get to Slaver's Bay?

Spoiler

IIRC, it was considered by most to be an almost sucicidally reckless move when Euron sailed west out of sight of land before attacking the Shield Islands. Apparently they are either not aware that you can get to Essos by sailing west, or the ocean between them is too wide and they're just not adept at crossing large distances of water.There is actually supposed to be a third continent, but it's south of Essos. The maps in the books of Valyria and Slaver's Bay show part of it.

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

HBO has an interview with GRRM. Says he hopes to finish the story about the same time as the TV Show catches up to him.

Short Interview

There's three seasons' worth of content left, assuming they keep with one book per season, so if the series goes 7 books that gives him a 5 year window for 2 more books. Somewhere between 7-10 books was the plan, right?

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

HBO has an interview with GRRM. Says he hopes to finish the story about the same time as the TV Show catches up to him.

Short Interview

There's three seasons' worth of content left, assuming they keep with one book per season, so if the series goes 7 books that gives him a 5 year window for 2 more books. Somewhere between 7-10 books was the plan, right?

right, and the producers have said to do storm of swords correctly, they want 2 TV seasons for that book alone.

 

[encaitar]

HBO has an interview with GRRM. Says he hopes to finish the story about the same time as the TV Show catches up to him.

Short Interview

There's three seasons' worth of content left, assuming they keep with one book per season, so if the series goes 7 books that gives him a 5 year window for 2 more books. Somewhere between 7-10 books was the plan, right?

3 was the plan, then 5(with a time gap between 3 and 4), then 6(with no gap), then 7 (when 4 didn't move the story along any). I'm guessing it will need at least 8 to finish the story right, but likely 9 or 10 seeing how Martin gets lost on somewhat irrelevant tangents that seem to take up half a book. I hope he doesn't try to squeeze it all into the next 2 books just to get it done, because it would likely be a pretty terrible ending to what is currently a good series.

 

[EYLive]

I've been looking at some fan renditions of map of the world and was wondering if there were supposed to be other continents that we don't know about? Because if the world is round, with Westeros and Essos being the 2 only continents...

Spoiler

wouldn't it make sense for Victarion to sail west from the Iron Islands towards (Jade Sea/Straits of Quarth) Mereen instead of looping east around Dorne and Valyria to get to Slaver's Bay?

Spoiler

IIRC, it was considered by most to be an almost sucicidally reckless move when Euron sailed west out of sight of land before attacking the Shield Islands. Apparently they are either not aware that you can get to Essos by sailing west, or the ocean between them is too wide and they're just not adept at crossing large distances of water.There is actually supposed to be a third continent, but it's south of Essos. The maps in the books of Valyria and Slaver's Bay show part of it.

Spoiler

The maps show a continent south of Essos called Sothoryos. I don't remember any of its cities being mentioned in the books, but its northern coast forms the Staits of Quarth with south Essos.Euron also got a lot of respect for sailing through the Smoking Sea, right? I bet he also put a hit out on his brother Balon.

 

[encaitar]

I've been looking at some fan renditions of map of the world and was wondering if there were supposed to be other continents that we don't know about? Because if the world is round, with Westeros and Essos being the 2 only continents...

Spoiler

wouldn't it make sense for Victarion to sail west from the Iron Islands towards (Jade Sea/Straits of Quarth) Mereen instead of looping east around Dorne and Valyria to get to Slaver's Bay?

Spoiler

IIRC, it was considered by most to be an almost sucicidally reckless move when Euron sailed west out of sight of land before attacking the Shield Islands. Apparently they are either not aware that you can get to Essos by sailing west, or the ocean between them is too wide and they're just not adept at crossing large distances of water.There is actually supposed to be a third continent, but it's south of Essos. The maps in the books of Valyria and Slaver's Bay show part of it.

Spoiler

The maps show a continent south of Essos called Sothoryos. I don't remember any of its cities being mentioned in the books, but its northern coast forms the Staits of Quarth with south Essos.Euron also got a lot of respect for sailing through the Smoking Sea, right? I bet he also put a hit out on his brother Balon.

Spoiler

Martin left the world small on purpose. It was supposed to reflect a similar period in earth's history where Europeans knew virtually nothing of the world. Most people in Westeros wouldn't be able to name more than 2 cities outside of the realm. Even the wise have a very limited knowledge of the world. I assume the world is much bigger, but nothing else matters in the scope of this narrative.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

HBO has an interview with GRRM. Says he hopes to finish the story about the same time as the TV Show catches up to him.

Short Interview

I do not like his "we'll see" line there at all. Why does he need to do another Dunk and Egg thing? I can't even find that stuff. And I as huge a fan of everything that I now am, I am having a reall hard time getting into the Game of Thrones Game on xbox. Really slow and cumbersome.

 

[Swing 51]

HBO has an interview with GRRM. Says he hopes to finish the story about the same time as the TV Show catches up to him.

Short Interview

Why does he need to do another Dunk and Egg thing? I can't even find that stuff.

Perhaps because events in Dunk and Egg may impact ASOIAF?Your local library may have the Dunk/Egg novellas. I urge you to read them. I had several "oh really" reactions after reading Dunk/Egg after AFFC and ADWD. I wish I would have read Dunk/Egg before the last 2.

 

[Gr00vus]

HBO has an interview with GRRM. Says he hopes to finish the story about the same time as the TV Show catches up to him.

Short Interview

Why does he need to do another Dunk and Egg thing? I can't even find that stuff.

Perhaps because events in Dunk and Egg may impact ASOIAF?Your local library may have the Dunk/Egg novellas. I urge you to read them. I had several "oh really" reactions after reading Dunk/Egg after AFFC and ADWD. I wish I would have read Dunk/Egg before the last 2.

Are they online somewhere? At least it's something to read until the next book comes out 5 years from now.

 

[EYLive]

HBO has an interview with GRRM. Says he hopes to finish the story about the same time as the TV Show catches up to him.

Short Interview

Why does he need to do another Dunk and Egg thing? I can't even find that stuff.

Perhaps because events in Dunk and Egg may impact ASOIAF?Your local library may have the Dunk/Egg novellas. I urge you to read them. I had several "oh really" reactions after reading Dunk/Egg after AFFC and ADWD. I wish I would have read Dunk/Egg before the last 2.

Spoiler

I just looked at the wiki for the novellas and realized that I have Dunk and Egg mixed with Duck and Aegon. A mini novel revolving around Prince Aegon's escape and entourage would be pretty cool too.